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On October 29 2015 02:27 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 02:14 Chromatically wrote:On October 29 2015 01:55 GlowingBear wrote:On October 29 2015 01:51 Xatalos wrote:On October 29 2015 01:44 GlowingBear wrote:On October 29 2015 00:57 Xatalos wrote:On October 25 2015 17:32 GlowingBear wrote:On October 25 2015 12:17 Onegu wrote:On October 25 2015 10:43 GlowingBear wrote:
I hardly believe any scum would put so much effort in a case like that on me.
But I'm not scum. But does his case hold water? Like the meta? I havent fully read it yet. I am getting some sleep now. I don't know, I haven't read the case since I'm town, so that automatically makes his case completely wrong Eh... These responses aren't really good though... What am I supposed to say, Xatalos? If people compare my gameplay in this game with other games I've played and reach the conclusion I'm mafia, the meta is wrong because I'm town. There's nothing else to be said here Well... I guess as town it should be easier demolish cases since they're wrong... Right? It's easy to demolish cases as either alignment. All I had to do is read his case and play accordingly to the town meta chromatically brought here to be instantly town read. It's SO SO easy to filter dive and bring a case on someone who is being suspected by everyone in the thread. I'm not going to do that. Is this talking about my case on you? No I'm talking about if I'm mafia it's easy to bring a case on someone under suspicions just to look townie. I'm not doing that.
First, this is wifom
second, the people under suspicion might all be your scum buddies.
third, bussing your teamates is not your wincondition, mislynches are your win condition if your scum, so at some point you need to go after people that are considered firm townies if you want to win.
not saying this makes you more scum by any means, but this logic doesn't hold up at all / :
try again plox.
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On October 29 2015 02:41 Xatalos wrote:
One crazy idea I had is that the scumteam could be something like Onegu/GB/ritoky since they've all had these hipster suspicions in the last 24 hours - maybe feeling pressed into a corner and needing to redirect attention? Could also explain the rayn NK as trying to shake things up, and rayn's scumread on GB/ritoky....
But there are some problems with that team. For example, ritoky eagerly jumped on Onegu D1, and again voted for GB D2. GB has also pushed Onegu lately. Could be bussing I guess, but especially ritoky is a bit hard to explain.
I doubt Ritoky is scum, no reason to push you like he has. If hes scum hell push the least townie looking mofo (case could be made for vivax there) and just shoot you. like, Why put all the effort into accusing you when your probally just gonna be a shot?
I think its naive of ritoky to think that he can beat you at lylo as scum. It's also unlikely that he would seriously consider trying to save his scum buddies at this point.
So yeah, probs not scum / :
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Bh, I considered what you said about scum bieng the ONLY ones to be pushing rayn
that would mean a combination of vivax gb xata and ritoky.
I consider xata and ritoky pretty hard town at this point, and vivax and gb arent likely to be scum together
so I think the possibility that scum were town reading rayn is much higher. What ya think?
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On October 29 2015 03:16 Xatalos wrote:
I guess it could me a mix of both though or something? Not sure how far we should read into it?
well if scum thought that a rayn mislynch could ever be possible, then they wouldnt have shot rayn.
But yes it could
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which is actually what I think it is.
Basically scum look at it and saw they could never viably get more than 3 votes on rayn without comprimising themselves.
thats the theory anyways / :
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On October 29 2015 03:27 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 03:10 gumshoe wrote:
Bh, I considered what you said about scum bieng the ONLY ones to be pushing rayn
that would mean a combination of vivax gb xata and ritoky.
I consider xata and ritoky pretty hard town at this point, and vivax and gb arent likely to be scum together
so I think the possibility that scum were town reading rayn is much higher. What ya think? I am not saying scum were the only ones pushing rayn. I'm just saying your logc, which again, seems to be pretty strange, could be used to prove both "scum were all on rayn" and "no scum were on rayn". If you are using a heuristic or piece of logic and it can prove anything easily, it should be allowed to fail. The problem with this idea that "scum weren't able to lynch rayn, therefore scum are X, Y, and Z" fails because it explains too much. If an explanation can explain literally any outcome, it has no predictive value. I actually went back and found the quote that first explained this concept to me, so you too can learn: Show nested quote +In Munich in the days of the great theoretical physicist Arnold Sommerfeld (1868–1954), trolley cars were cooled in summer by two small fans set into their ceilings. When the trolley was in motion, air flowing over its top would spin the fans, pulling warm air out of the cars. One student noticed that although the motion of any given fan was fairly random—fans could turn either clockwise or counterclockwise—the two fans in a single car nearly always rotated in opposite directions. Why was this? Finally he brought the problem to Sommerfeld.
“That is easy to explain,” said Sommerfeld. “Air hits the fan at the front of the car first, giving it a random motion in one direction. But once the trolley begins to move, a vortex created by the first fan travels down the top of the car and sets the second fan moving in precisely the same direction.”
“But, Professor Sommerfeld,” the student protested, “what happens is in fact the opposite! The two fans nearly always rotate in different directions.”
“Ahhhh!” said Sommerfeld. “But of course that is even easier to explain.” --Devine and Cohen, Absolute Zero Gravity, p. 96.
Thats very true, but we have a certain context to clash against my argument, which gives it some utility.
heres the frame my argument provides.
Scum want to win, scum need to mislynch townies, rayn on paper is the most mislynchable townie, but they shot him, so clearly there was some reason that scum were not confident in mislynching him.
There are two possibilities.
1: The majority of Scum are pushing rayn and the rest of town are opposed, which would mean a combination of xatalos, ritoky, gb and vivax, 2 of which, vivax and gb, cant be scum together, and the other 2 arent likely scum based of thier play. so not real hit there.
2: The majority of scum are town reading rayn for varius reasons, and cannot switch to him without contradicting themselves. townies fairly vehemently oposed to rayn bieng scum (hopeless, gumshoe, onegu, bh chromatically)
three of these players, me you and chrom, appear townie from thier play, but hopeless and onegu do fit the mold of a majority scum team that cannot mislynch rayn because they are townreading him.
Basically when you cross refrence scummy play with the argument that most of sum are townreading rayn and therefore cannot mislynch him, and the argument that most of scum are scum reading him therefore they cannot lynch him, this is the only real hit you get.
Does that make sense?
Imagine the two possibilities of the fan argument, but consider as well that there are markings on the wall that suggest one rotation as opposed to the other. That's how one would figure the truth in such a matter.
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On October 29 2015 03:30 Blazinghand wrote:
I hope you appreciate the amount of effort this took btw gummy
I seriously do, your awesome, thanks for inviting me back to mafia btw you've been a joy to play with this game : D
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On October 29 2015 04:21 Xatalos wrote:Btw gumshoe, I'm not sure how much that argument helps, since it kind of just aligns with whatever you otherwise find scummy? Like if you found me and BH scummy, it would just equally align with those reads? But I guess it's worth pursuing whatever ways to solve the game 
yes : P yes it would. But your objectively not scummy, therefore if I tried to tie you to this rayn thing, it just wouldnt work. It only works on hope and onegu cause there is a doubt that they are town.
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##Vote gb
I dont like the tone of his last posts / : the logic hes proposing is just so bad, paticularly bad considering hes one of the first to jump on your dick if you use "wifom'. I'm not sure a townie wouldn't realize how unconvincing they are with arguments like his.
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On October 30 2015 01:42 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 03:44 gumshoe wrote:On October 29 2015 03:27 Blazinghand wrote:On October 29 2015 03:10 gumshoe wrote:
Bh, I considered what you said about scum bieng the ONLY ones to be pushing rayn
that would mean a combination of vivax gb xata and ritoky.
I consider xata and ritoky pretty hard town at this point, and vivax and gb arent likely to be scum together
so I think the possibility that scum were town reading rayn is much higher. What ya think? I am not saying scum were the only ones pushing rayn. I'm just saying your logc, which again, seems to be pretty strange, could be used to prove both "scum were all on rayn" and "no scum were on rayn". If you are using a heuristic or piece of logic and it can prove anything easily, it should be allowed to fail. The problem with this idea that "scum weren't able to lynch rayn, therefore scum are X, Y, and Z" fails because it explains too much. If an explanation can explain literally any outcome, it has no predictive value. I actually went back and found the quote that first explained this concept to me, so you too can learn: In Munich in the days of the great theoretical physicist Arnold Sommerfeld (1868–1954), trolley cars were cooled in summer by two small fans set into their ceilings. When the trolley was in motion, air flowing over its top would spin the fans, pulling warm air out of the cars. One student noticed that although the motion of any given fan was fairly random—fans could turn either clockwise or counterclockwise—the two fans in a single car nearly always rotated in opposite directions. Why was this? Finally he brought the problem to Sommerfeld.
“That is easy to explain,” said Sommerfeld. “Air hits the fan at the front of the car first, giving it a random motion in one direction. But once the trolley begins to move, a vortex created by the first fan travels down the top of the car and sets the second fan moving in precisely the same direction.”
“But, Professor Sommerfeld,” the student protested, “what happens is in fact the opposite! The two fans nearly always rotate in different directions.”
“Ahhhh!” said Sommerfeld. “But of course that is even easier to explain.” --Devine and Cohen, Absolute Zero Gravity, p. 96. Thats very true, but we have a certain context to clash against my argument, which gives it some utility. heres the frame my argument provides. Scum want to win, scum need to mislynch townies, rayn on paper is the most mislynchable townie, but they shot him, so clearly there was some reason that scum were not confident in mislynching him. There are two possibilities. 1: The majority of Scum are pushing rayn and the rest of town are opposed, which would mean a combination of xatalos, ritoky, gb and vivax, 2 of which, vivax and gb, cant be scum together, and the other 2 arent likely scum based of thier play. so not real hit there. 2: The majority of scum are town reading rayn for varius reasons, and cannot switch to him without contradicting themselves. townies fairly vehemently oposed to rayn bieng scum (hopeless, gumshoe, onegu, bh chromatically) three of these players, me you and chrom, appear townie from thier play, but hopeless and onegu do fit the mold of a majority scum team that cannot mislynch rayn because they are townreading him. Basically when you cross refrence scummy play with the argument that most of sum are townreading rayn and therefore cannot mislynch him, and the argument that most of scum are scum reading him therefore they cannot lynch him, this is the only real hit you get.Does that make sense? Imagine the two possibilities of the fan argument, but consider as well that there are markings on the wall that suggest one rotation as opposed to the other. That's how one would figure the truth in such a matter. Your arguement doesnt make much sense because reads can flip. If only scum were town reading him what is to stop their reads from flipping to oh yeah I can see that on a case and voting rayn. Or saying rayn is cancer this game I am going to vote him. Rayns reads were correct and that is why he was killed. A serious rayn is capable of putting a legit case on scum even if he is being scum read getting that person lynched. I wasnt surprised rayn was killed. I town read him hard. I agreed with most of his reads. In a world where I am scum this game I dont kill Rayn, I am not going to kill the only person that is town reading me this game. It would be suicide for me. Killing rayn takes pressure off of the people he was scum reading and lets them put pressure on me. They want this mislynch on me it gets them to lylo.
if you or hopeless were to flip your reads on rayn, to go from "theres no way I would vote him until lylo" and "rayn town for sures so sures that xata is scum"
we would lynch you so godamm fast. So no, you couldn't switch your reads / : you would be far too committed based off your own arguments.
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also
In a world where I am scum this game I dont kill Rayn, I am not going to kill the only person that is town reading me this game. It would be suicide for me. Killing rayn takes pressure off of the people he was scum reading and lets them put pressure on me. They want this mislynch on me it gets them to lylo.
Also this is actually total wifom. You might kill Rayn exactly FOR this reason because the way youve set things up is
"as scum I would never kill rayn, therefore im town."
so if you are scum and you do kill rayn to simulate the above logic, apparently that means your town / : see how that doesn't work?
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On October 30 2015 02:38 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 02:20 Chromatically wrote:
Which of his reads did you agree with? Come on, it's in his filter. Obviously he agrees with rayn on Xata and hopeless. Disagrees on GB and BH. Interestingly GB is on his lynch and so is BH, people he isn't scumreading and who were in rayn's case. Not sure actually if rayn was still thinking of Xata being scum before he died. He's kinda ignoring two guys who want to lynch him and who rayn scumread? Then I'd like to know his own reasoning for the reads.
why didn't you let onegu explain T_T it was a twap.
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On October 30 2015 02:51 Vivax wrote:
Oh and we don't need a trap to show that what he says is really odd.
Still, you know chrom is town, you know hes up to something, dont swoop in with your "cmon mans you should know this" just because you disagree about how relevant onegus answer will be.
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On October 30 2015 03:25 Vivax wrote:
BH what do you think of what rayn said about you, I think you never talked about it.
That you just flail around lynches without wanting one, basically.
Why cant a townie be indecisive about a lynch? Also sometimes the person you want lynched is already being pushed by someone else and you dont see a reason to not just piggy back off them. Not saying bh hasnt wanted a lynch(been a bit since I look at his filter) just that if hes preferred to pick and choose from the cases presented that in no way makes him scum.
See how I swooped in and answered a question meant for someone else thereby potentially cheating you information you desire? Not cool is it?
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On October 30 2015 03:32 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 03:06 gumshoe wrote:On October 30 2015 02:51 Vivax wrote:
Oh and we don't need a trap to show that what he says is really odd. Still, you know chrom is town, you know hes up to something, dont swoop in with your "cmon mans you should know this" just because you disagree about how relevant onegus answer will be. I didn't see a trap there, I saw that Onegu would most likely reply according to what's compatible with his stated reads. Not really a scum catcher imo. So I thought that Chrom simply didn't read his filter previously to asking that.
it doesnt matter what you saw, people have reasons to ask questions, unless you think the question being asked is poised by scum for some nefarious purpose, dont hijack it, you dont magically know what chrom or anyone else is after, so just chill out next time someone is looking for information.
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On October 30 2015 03:37 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 03:32 gumshoe wrote:On October 30 2015 03:25 Vivax wrote:
BH what do you think of what rayn said about you, I think you never talked about it.
That you just flail around lynches without wanting one, basically. Why cant a townie be indecisive about a lynch? Also sometimes the person you want lynched is already being pushed by someone else and you dont see a reason to not just piggy back off them. Not saying bh hasnt wanted a lynch(been a bit since I look at his filter) just that if hes preferred to pick and choose from the cases presented that in no way makes him scum. See how I swooped in and answered a question meant for someone else thereby potentially cheating you information you desire? Not cool is it? I don't see why BH (or Onegu) wouldn't answer a question just cause you did.
we answer questions cause were pressured, take away that pressure and there's no real reason to answer questions. Also if the scummer was going to otherwise trip up, now he can just hijack what his defender has to say, whats more chrom's question wasn't neccecairely aggressive, but you pointing out how yes, onegu's clash of reads are odd, would immediately put onegu on the defensive if he wasn't already / :
Is it likely that scum would slip up on a question? maybe give up info on thier team? Depends on the situation, but likely no.
That said, none of us expected Rayn to get shot tonight and scum had 24 hours to think that one over. So shit can happen that we might hope for but not exactly count on. But when you come in and offer scum an alternative explanation to what they might have provided, or point out of how exactly the question is meant to incriminate, you make the already low chances that much lower.
Tldr, you dont know what Onegu would have said, dont answer questions meant for others unless its clear theyre not gonna answer it / :
I dont think thats too much to ask for is it?
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On October 30 2015 03:55 Vivax wrote:
I think you're just creating unproductive fuss while filling a page with righteousness. If you wanna argue pick somebody who can be mafia.
You can be mafia / :
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Vivax, if you want a question here you go, what do you think of Chromatically right now?
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hey vivax you there? You want questions I got just the one for now, but more can follow
Vivax, if you want a question here you go, what do you think of Chromatically right now?
lose your appetite all a sudden?
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On October 30 2015 04:40 Xatalos wrote:Btw gumshoe what was the Vivax scumread about? (might have missed it though) What do you think about GB's push on Vivax in relation to that? Long-term bussing? Also what did you think about rayn's case on ritoky? There's this on D1... Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:31 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 23 2015 06:38 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 06:27 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have a question. Xatalos do you seriously think Blazinghand - as town - believes that lynching by RNG on D1 has the best chances of hitting mafia? Like do you SERIOUSLY believe that? depending on the setup of the game and the structure of PRs, yes. really? when he himself just argued it's less likely to hit mafia then not rng lycnhing? it's actually equally as likely, so i disagree with your premise entirely. it's actually really simple. i mean i guess it's pretty simple for me cuz i read like 10 of BH's games in the recent past so i could accurately impersonate him. here's your guide to reading BH: Did he RNG immediately @ the start of the game: if yes -> 80% chance to be town; if no -> 80% chance to be mafia Did he push the RNG target or just leave it there like a dead fish: if push -> 95% chance to be town; if dead fish - 50% chance to be mafia Did he gather reads from people arguing with him about why they are better than RNG: yes - DING DING DING town; i don't know he hasn't given reads - 75% town; no - 50% town rayn, was this your turning point on ritoky? They're right when saying that ritoky posted nothing between "(rayn thinks) ritoky is town" and "POE lynch list include ritoky". Yeah as i said that was yesterday. I clearly pointed out (before going to bed) that i dislike Xatalos' & ritoky's reads on BH which i had missed earlier as i was tired. My townread on ritoky before was not based on that at all. I jsut didn't pay attention to his posts because i didn't think he was saying anything interesting. It's like how i treat players who don't say anything interesting (unless something changes)... in every game. There is absolutely nothing contradicting there, i re-evaluated his posting after i had slept and dug up further and came to conclusion he is mafia, because: 1) His read on BH is bad. 2) His reasoning for his read doesn't even make any sense.for example; he says there is 80% chance BH does this rng thing as town, so there is actually then 20% chance of BH doing that as mafia - by default. When people tell his that "BH could totally do that as mafia" it doesn't affect his read at all. In fact he just pushes the townread further with more illogical arguments, like trying to argue random lynching is as effective as not random lynching, which is a straight out lie, and doesn't even have anything to do with BH's alignment. So yeah, there is that. That's basically the only thing he has done in this game in addition to now bitching at me. Then this later... Which I didn't quite follow... Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 21:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:Anyways: "O, woe is me, T'have seen what I have seen, see what I see!"+ Show Spoiler +On October 24 2015 04:37 ritoky wrote:
reading the thread...wondering what happened to BH the 2nd half of this phase. On October 23 2015 07:26 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 07:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:21 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 07:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:17 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:13 marvellosity wrote:On October 23 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay after poe i am lynching into:
Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky
i am pretty sure we have three mafia there. i thought you told me ritoky was town? yeah that was yesterday. On October 23 2015 06:53 ritoky wrote:On October 22 2015 12:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i think ritoky is town tbh On October 23 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay after poe i am lynching into:
Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky
i am pretty sure we have three mafia there. On October 23 2015 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't understand the reads on ritoky. He literally said:
"BH is town until he does something egregious enough to be considered not town."
"generally speaking he doesn't rng as mafia, but i wouldn't put it past him to break meta."
So what? He townreads Blazinghand for something he then says, in the next post, is not a reason to townread Blazinghand`!!? On October 23 2015 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 05:39 Blazinghand wrote:On October 23 2015 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I fail to see how i am being "aggressive" here, so could you explain BH? well, not towards me. You're actually being a little more gentle with me, compared to normal. Normally I'd expect you to end up TRing ritoky for that on your own. Maybe it's been some time since we played together, or my edge is getting dull, but I recall you being pretty good at noticing people's motivations. ritoky is a really had to read for me and i don't think he has said much of anything that could be in my opinion considered townie.Maybe it's jsut like you say and other people do not know you as well as i do (and what you can / cannot do as mafia), but still... it's really hard for me to believe both of Xatalos and ritoky actually believe you are town for your actions regarding the rng lynch. I just don't fucking buy it. nice one bro. respond. no y'know, gonna be honest here. you're the most underwhelming player that people tell me is good on these forums. i just don't see it; maybe i am the one who is so bad i can't comprehend your greatness; but i don't think that's the case. I don't talk to people who i think are mafia or will not understand me anyways. i think i am content ignoring everything you say in every game going forward; it doesn't have much value or good reason in it anywayz. I think if i have this convo with someone they think i am mafia, at least they should imo. On October 24 2015 05:00 ritoky wrote:
bh being very sexy to me again right now. probably gonna sheep him. On October 24 2015 05:18 ritoky wrote:
##vote: alakaslam
cuz BH said so. here in between he votes for Onegu (who is btw never gonna get lynched on D1). On October 24 2015 10:02 ritoky wrote:xata is right about this. slam was the least chupazi he has been in recent games. he was in fact significantly more serious than normal resulting in an around a 50% serious post rate which is astounding for him. as desperate as i am to try and ignore everything rayn posts, when he posts for 3 straight pages....anywayz his reaction is overblown and worthless. + Show Spoiler +at least my meta read on slam is still perfect On October 26 2015 18:00 ritoky wrote:
honestly i am tired and whiny and i just wish this game were easier.
i have 1 guy in xata who is either playing 5 steps ahead or in a tunnel potentially filled of rage.
i have 1 guy in yamato who is constantly handing out empty promises.
i have 1 guy in hopeless who might have died irl.
i have 1 guy in rayn who ragequit lyfe, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
i have 1 guy in GB who has never once been so disenfranchised with a mafia game.
i have 1 guy in onegu who has had the tonal shift of the ages.
like why can't this be easier right now? seriously. all i want are town reads that are trying to find mafia. not all of those people can be mafia....and that isn't even considering if there's a sneakster mafia.
i am just tired and want town reads. is this too much to ask for? boohoo... cries.... in... vain...
I rather not elaborate on Vivax atm, not before we have a heart to heart.
as for long term bussing between gb and vivax, I really doubt it, gbs antics came out of the blue and almost got him lynched day 1. It was a terrible bus if it was one and vivax didnt paticularly reciprocate gbs aggression. One would think if they had agreed to buss eachother vivax would have come after gb just as hard, but instead hes fairly slow to pounce going from, "yeah bro your wrong" to "why arent we lynching this gb scum?" in long enough a period of time that others like yamato and marv were basically at the head of the train instead of him. I just figure Vivax would have pushed alot harder to max out his cred.
Whats more, gb agreeing to a bus with vivax is kinda like stepping into the lions mouth, he musta known that unless vivax deliberately left something for gb to pick, town would most certainly side with the veteran / :
Alot can be said about gb's play this game, is it scummy? maybe, but I dont think gb would sacrifice himself like that, he seems to actually want to play really bad, he fights everyday just to live another 72 hours (hes fighting even now to avoid his lynch, even when we basically are telling him he has to die no matter what)
Sacrificial bussing is more for when "fuck, I dont have time to play this game, guys I'll just mess up and you can capitilize on it and take cred, k?" Gb has been active enough that the above scenario doesn't seem likely / :
So no, I really really dont think its a buss, but maybe they did it thinking that without dts in game bussing is super effective / : who knows. It's very unlikely is where I am at.
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On October 30 2015 04:40 Xatalos wrote:Btw gumshoe what was the Vivax scumread about? (might have missed it though) What do you think about GB's push on Vivax in relation to that? Long-term bussing? Also what did you think about rayn's case on ritoky? There's this on D1... Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:31 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 23 2015 06:38 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 06:27 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have a question. Xatalos do you seriously think Blazinghand - as town - believes that lynching by RNG on D1 has the best chances of hitting mafia? Like do you SERIOUSLY believe that? depending on the setup of the game and the structure of PRs, yes. really? when he himself just argued it's less likely to hit mafia then not rng lycnhing? it's actually equally as likely, so i disagree with your premise entirely. it's actually really simple. i mean i guess it's pretty simple for me cuz i read like 10 of BH's games in the recent past so i could accurately impersonate him. here's your guide to reading BH: Did he RNG immediately @ the start of the game: if yes -> 80% chance to be town; if no -> 80% chance to be mafia Did he push the RNG target or just leave it there like a dead fish: if push -> 95% chance to be town; if dead fish - 50% chance to be mafia Did he gather reads from people arguing with him about why they are better than RNG: yes - DING DING DING town; i don't know he hasn't given reads - 75% town; no - 50% town rayn, was this your turning point on ritoky? They're right when saying that ritoky posted nothing between "(rayn thinks) ritoky is town" and "POE lynch list include ritoky". Yeah as i said that was yesterday. I clearly pointed out (before going to bed) that i dislike Xatalos' & ritoky's reads on BH which i had missed earlier as i was tired. My townread on ritoky before was not based on that at all. I jsut didn't pay attention to his posts because i didn't think he was saying anything interesting. It's like how i treat players who don't say anything interesting (unless something changes)... in every game. There is absolutely nothing contradicting there, i re-evaluated his posting after i had slept and dug up further and came to conclusion he is mafia, because: 1) His read on BH is bad. 2) His reasoning for his read doesn't even make any sense.for example; he says there is 80% chance BH does this rng thing as town, so there is actually then 20% chance of BH doing that as mafia - by default. When people tell his that "BH could totally do that as mafia" it doesn't affect his read at all. In fact he just pushes the townread further with more illogical arguments, like trying to argue random lynching is as effective as not random lynching, which is a straight out lie, and doesn't even have anything to do with BH's alignment. So yeah, there is that. That's basically the only thing he has done in this game in addition to now bitching at me. Then this later... Which I didn't quite follow... Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 21:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:Anyways: "O, woe is me, T'have seen what I have seen, see what I see!"+ Show Spoiler +On October 24 2015 04:37 ritoky wrote:
reading the thread...wondering what happened to BH the 2nd half of this phase. On October 23 2015 07:26 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 07:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:21 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 07:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:17 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:13 marvellosity wrote:On October 23 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay after poe i am lynching into:
Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky
i am pretty sure we have three mafia there. i thought you told me ritoky was town? yeah that was yesterday. On October 23 2015 06:53 ritoky wrote:On October 22 2015 12:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i think ritoky is town tbh On October 23 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay after poe i am lynching into:
Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky
i am pretty sure we have three mafia there. On October 23 2015 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't understand the reads on ritoky. He literally said:
"BH is town until he does something egregious enough to be considered not town."
"generally speaking he doesn't rng as mafia, but i wouldn't put it past him to break meta."
So what? He townreads Blazinghand for something he then says, in the next post, is not a reason to townread Blazinghand`!!? On October 23 2015 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 05:39 Blazinghand wrote:On October 23 2015 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I fail to see how i am being "aggressive" here, so could you explain BH? well, not towards me. You're actually being a little more gentle with me, compared to normal. Normally I'd expect you to end up TRing ritoky for that on your own. Maybe it's been some time since we played together, or my edge is getting dull, but I recall you being pretty good at noticing people's motivations. ritoky is a really had to read for me and i don't think he has said much of anything that could be in my opinion considered townie.Maybe it's jsut like you say and other people do not know you as well as i do (and what you can / cannot do as mafia), but still... it's really hard for me to believe both of Xatalos and ritoky actually believe you are town for your actions regarding the rng lynch. I just don't fucking buy it. nice one bro. respond. no y'know, gonna be honest here. you're the most underwhelming player that people tell me is good on these forums. i just don't see it; maybe i am the one who is so bad i can't comprehend your greatness; but i don't think that's the case. I don't talk to people who i think are mafia or will not understand me anyways. i think i am content ignoring everything you say in every game going forward; it doesn't have much value or good reason in it anywayz. I think if i have this convo with someone they think i am mafia, at least they should imo. On October 24 2015 05:00 ritoky wrote:
bh being very sexy to me again right now. probably gonna sheep him. On October 24 2015 05:18 ritoky wrote:
##vote: alakaslam
cuz BH said so. here in between he votes for Onegu (who is btw never gonna get lynched on D1). On October 24 2015 10:02 ritoky wrote:xata is right about this. slam was the least chupazi he has been in recent games. he was in fact significantly more serious than normal resulting in an around a 50% serious post rate which is astounding for him. as desperate as i am to try and ignore everything rayn posts, when he posts for 3 straight pages....anywayz his reaction is overblown and worthless. + Show Spoiler +at least my meta read on slam is still perfect On October 26 2015 18:00 ritoky wrote:
honestly i am tired and whiny and i just wish this game were easier.
i have 1 guy in xata who is either playing 5 steps ahead or in a tunnel potentially filled of rage.
i have 1 guy in yamato who is constantly handing out empty promises.
i have 1 guy in hopeless who might have died irl.
i have 1 guy in rayn who ragequit lyfe, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
i have 1 guy in GB who has never once been so disenfranchised with a mafia game.
i have 1 guy in onegu who has had the tonal shift of the ages.
like why can't this be easier right now? seriously. all i want are town reads that are trying to find mafia. not all of those people can be mafia....and that isn't even considering if there's a sneakster mafia.
i am just tired and want town reads. is this too much to ask for? boohoo... cries.... in... vain...
rayn point 1:
Reading bh's rng as town is bad:
this is a null thing, we feel certain ways about things and use logic to justify those feels, ritoky felt good about bh coming into thread with his rng, and conveyed that to the rest of us, that doesnt make him scum, its just an offense to rayns sensibilities. Also with what we know of Bh now, it was from wrong to town read / :
verdict-null
point 2
Rayn has an angry convo with ritoky, ritoky still town reads rayn, rayn thinks he should be scum read by someone if they have that sort of convo, again, sensibilities, I town read people I argue with aaaaaall the time
verdict-silly rayn
point 3
The onegu switch- onegu is never lynched day 1, bad ritoky
bh was the first to vote on onegu, someone else was there as well, there was plenty of reason to think onegu might get shenanynied and given what we know now of onegu ritoky trying to lynch him is far from something to be held against him. I almost voted switched to ritoky myself just to avoid the stupid slam lynch.
verdict- actually pretty townie.
Maybe ritoky is scum this game, but rayns silly arguments from the grave definitely dont make a good case for it / :
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