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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 14 2015 23:11 GMT
#749
Or can he? At least I got that picture from the text.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 14 2015 23:43 GMT
#761
Slam: to be frank I get the feeling you're town here, but.... It's hard to follow your word when it's some gut meta read.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 14 2015 23:44 GMT
#762
On October 15 2015 08:19 Superbia wrote:
To third party

I implore you to shoot moosy (if he's not in your faction) or who you think is mafia tonight. Let me explain:

Mafia can roll over town and you here if moosy ends up being town (near impossible) or 3p.
If moosy is either of these, they will put their save on moosy and both town and yourself (3rd party) is going to be fucked:
- Town will be forced to lynch moosy d2.
- Mafia will be immortal to your kp n2 because of it (mafia doctor can save himself).
I.e.: You will be in a shit situation. You must have already realized that you are in a shit situation compared to mafia, as you essentially cannot touch them during the night. They are stronger than you.

If moosy is town (again, very unlikely) OR 3p, mafia will go for this play tonight. This means that they are (50%) vulnerable to your KP tonight. This is your chance. Shoot mafia.

And if moosy is mafia you guarantee his death anyway.


Well, I won't complain if they follow this... haha
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 11:58 GMT
#813
On October 15 2015 20:36 Koshi wrote:
He should die. And he should die fast. CPR, mafia, 3p. Shoot Xatalos.
He is a threat.


Do you think I'm a blue or something? What's with calling me a "threat" rather than anti-town?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 11:59 GMT
#814
That just felt too weird.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 12:00 GMT
#815
On October 15 2015 20:40 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2015 07:29 Koshi wrote:
On October 15 2015 07:20 deconduo wrote:
On October 15 2015 07:14 Superbia wrote:
I would like an answer to this question from everyone btw. Just real quick:

Is copcake scum?
Is moosy scum?
Why are you voting [copcake/moosy] over [moosy/copcake]?
What's your top 3 town?


At this point I believe there is no way both copcake and moosy are town. If they are, I don't want to play mafia for the next 20 years.


1) Yes
2) Yes
3) Moosy is groupie, so is essentially a wasted lynch. Better to lynch copcake.
4) Hmm, nothing much has changed on the town side since my first vote. Rels, Koshi ,superbia stay in the top 3 for now.

You are anti town.


Show nested quote +
On October 15 2015 07:34 Koshi wrote:
On October 15 2015 07:34 deconduo wrote:
On October 15 2015 07:29 Koshi wrote:
On October 15 2015 07:20 deconduo wrote:
On October 15 2015 07:14 Superbia wrote:
I would like an answer to this question from everyone btw. Just real quick:

Is copcake scum?
Is moosy scum?
Why are you voting [copcake/moosy] over [moosy/copcake]?
What's your top 3 town?


At this point I believe there is no way both copcake and moosy are town. If they are, I don't want to play mafia for the next 20 years.


1) Yes
2) Yes
3) Moosy is groupie, so is essentially a wasted lynch. Better to lynch copcake.
4) Hmm, nothing much has changed on the town side since my first vote. Rels, Koshi ,superbia stay in the top 3 for now.

You are anti town.


Why? There is no good reason for us to want to lynch groupie at all this game.

It's ok. I know you are mafia. It's fine.


Show nested quote +
On October 15 2015 09:06 Koshi wrote:
Moosy
deconduo
Xatalos


Mafia 3p cpr,

please kill above targets.


Koshi is scum for this btw.

- Lynching groupie doesn't remove them from the game, it just stops them from posting in the thread
- Therefore lynching groupie is the same as a no-lynch
- Therefore Koshi is pushing the fact that a no-lynch is pro-town
- Therefore Koshi is scum.


Are you saying you're the groupie >.> wat
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 12:56 GMT
#821
..........

deconduo: Oh, I see. Still I'm not really sure how you came to be certain that Moosy is specifically a groupie?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 13:02 GMT
#824
:D:D:D

Thanks for the laughs Koshi.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 13:04 GMT
#825
For the record, I also wonder about that logic he used... Hm.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 15:33 GMT
#885
I just heavily dislike when people say stuff like "this lynch is bad" without actually putting in any effort to stop it. In my experience, that often comes from scum who want to look better after the lynch. The motivation is to "make yourself look better", not to "change anything" (see: merely stating that the lynch is bad, not doing anything to stop it). CopCake could have easily been in a different faction and seemed "townie enough" that someone anti-town would go for those credibility-grabbing tactics.

I think Slam also said something similar, but he's always unfathomable and otherwise feels townish(?), so it's hard to say about him.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 15:35 GMT
#886
With that said, I'd lean town on Koshi for now. Especially his recent posts just seem too impulsive and natural... Like he's just saying whatever he wants to without considering the consequences.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 20:15 GMT
#911
Not sure I really understand your latest accusation, and it's starting to get a bit annoying. I mean... I never said that CopCake made a ton of sense as scum. She just had that spontaneous/genuine feel about her with her posting style as scum, same as here. So that's pretty inconclusive. What made me lean over to scum on her was how her reads just didn't make any logical sense. I couldn't understand how she could push those as town, and they were even more peculiar compared to her last scumgame, so... In any case, I don't really regret it. She wasn't even a role, and she would have been an anti-town element later on.

Frankly, you just seem to twist anything and everything about me in a negative light. Straight from my very first post. Either you're town in an extreme tunnel or just anti-town. Actually starting to lean a bit more towards anti-town since the tunnel has been so "pre-set" and static. In either case, it's getting harder for me to take you seriously.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 23:04 GMT
#945
I'm glad I survived anyway.... Started writing a last will post for the case where I managed to get myself killed, but seems like the silence started earlier than I thought and luckily I'm alive. In any case, here's what I wrote down:

Koshi: town. He's been posting very actively and pushed a lot of different issues in the thread. Totally unfocused on his own appearance and without any apparent agenda, his motivation simply seems to be playing the game. He's even been pushing Mafia/3P to attack each other - something no anti-town would want to happen from the opposing faction.

Alakaslam: town. Just something about his presence in the thread feeling completely non-forced. Hard to explain, but I'm leaning a lot more towards town at this point.

Sylencia: anti-town. Has felt very detached from the game all around. It just kind of feels like he has no interest towards solving the game, but towards blending in somehow.

MoosyDoosy: anti-town. Probably. At least his play has been anti-town, and totally unproductive even while posting quite a bit.

Tictock: anti-town(?). It's been difficult to get a grasp on him. At times it seems like he's really thinking about stuff, but then... Mostly I've felt odd about his continuous tunnel on me. It's like it's even too "certain", as in decided beforehand and then just focused on cherry-picking whatever could make me anti-town. It's not "definitely" anti-town, but it's a strong possibility.

Rels: town(?)... It's not as strong as I felt initially, but he's continued push forward good posts. If he's town, he's probably dying during N1/N2 anyway. I see no way to put him as a lynch candidate at least.

GlowingBear: town(?). Not a strong read, he's just seemed all around decent to me. Should take another look though.

Rest: null. Can't say I have a meaningful read either way on anyone else atm. Absolutely no idea about deconduo or gobble... Or really Onegu for that matter. Superbia would need a closer look tomorrow.

- - - - -

Well, looks like I was pretty wrong looking at the kills... I guess there's a lot to re-evaluate. Probably the anti-town factions were searching for other anti-town/blues with those hits, but we were lucky. It's also quite possible that CPR killed MoosyDoosy and one of the other kills was protected against through a role (either town/anti-town).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 23:07 GMT
#947
I guess it's actually pretty certain that CPR killed MoosyDoosy and 3P kill was prevented since otherwise the 3P Janitor thing should have been in effect.....
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 23:08 GMT
#950
Meh, not really sure who are the anti-towns right now.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 23:10 GMT
#955
Well, that claim seems believable. It's also a lot more risky for anti-towns to fakeclaim when there are multiple factions (you'd be taking all the risks while the other faction takes all the benefits) so I can see the value of massclaim.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 23:11 GMT
#957
On October 16 2015 08:10 Koshi wrote:
God damn Xatalos you better be mafia or I am sucking donkey balls.


?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 23:11 GMT
#960
On second thoughts, though, it's not really that useful if the blues aren't even in danger.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 23:12 GMT
#963
On October 16 2015 08:11 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2015 08:11 Xatalos wrote:
On October 16 2015 08:10 Koshi wrote:
God damn Xatalos you better be mafia or I am sucking donkey balls.


?

Not surprising you don't get it.


What?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 23:13 GMT
#964
On October 16 2015 08:12 Superbia wrote:
Parity cop never fucking claims today unless there's like hard scum on him. Parity cop is useless until tomorrow.


Yeah, that's true.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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