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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 14 2015 19:39 GMT
#600
On October 15 2015 04:35 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2015 04:26 CopCake wrote:
yet you AFIRM that I said that you were town.

The part here is the fucking problem. Read again:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2015 03:25 Rels wrote:
You said I said you townread me, when I also already realized that mistake

I didn't "afirm that you said that I was town". I said you saw that post where I thought you read me as town, IE this one:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:
[...]
She thinks I'm town now ???? There is no explanation for that switch.
[...]

But you didn't see the post where I realized you didn't read me as town, IE my case post:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:
[...]
Fuck I misread this! I thought Copcake said "I think Rels is town though", and that was a ridiculous switch.
OK so she's actually saying "GB is scum because he thinks Rels is scum". That's still super bad:
- why is she not voting me
- why did she doubt it was a unflipped association
- it wasn't her original case; her original idea was "Rels suspects GB => Rels answers GB's questions => they're scum together", which is false since when I answered GB's questions, I wasn't suspecting him anymore
- it doesn't explain why I am mafia, which is the center of her accusation

So you're not reading properly the thread. You're not reading properly my posts.

Messed up the quotes in the last quote. It was that post:
On October 14 2015 23:26 Rels wrote:
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On October 14 2015 21:16 Xatalos wrote:
I think it's very unlikely that the anti-town factions would push members of their own faction in this setup D1, especially when the setup is so "swingy" and the lynch is everything but decided yet. It's not totally impossible, but I doubt they would want to immediately crash their chances of victory for a little town cred. I think these anti-town factions are quite unlikely:

Sylencia/CopCake
MoosyDoosy/Superbia
Onegu/MoosyDoosy
gobbledydook/CopCake
deconduo/CopCake

This is a super good idea.

Show nested quote +
On October 14 2015 21:16 Xatalos wrote:
On October 14 2015 10:58 CopCake wrote:
you think rels is town tho.

that makes you mafia.


There's 0% logic there. The reads themselves are ridiculous, but the worst part is not pushing Rels if just "thinking Rels is town" is the reason to scumread someone (with that reasoning most players in the game would be scum btw). It's just hard to grasp she could be genuinely making these reads at all.

##Vote CopCake

Fuck I misread this! I thought Copcake said "I think Rels is town though", and that was a ridiculous switch.
OK so she's actually saying "GB is scum because he thinks Rels is scum". That's still super bad:
- why is she not voting me
- why did she doubt it was a unflipped association
- it wasn't her original case; her original idea was "Rels suspects GB => Rels answers GB's questions => they're scum together", which is false since when I answered GB's questions, I wasn't suspecting him anymore
- it doesn't explain why I am mafia, which is the center of her accusation

Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 14 2015 19:49 GMT
#603
On October 15 2015 04:47 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2015 04:18 Rels wrote:
Onegu! Gobble!
This is your H-2 warning. Do useful things or die.



Yeah not going to happen, it's almost 3 am and I am still like 15 pages behind and I don't even remember those pages.

Promise will read thread tomorrow as I have no plans.


Who should I vote for?

Copcake.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 14 2015 20:09 GMT
#607
At the beginning of the game I put suspicion on GB:
On October 13 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 20:51 Rels wrote:
On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!

I'm thrall

This post made me go like "WTF I know something is wrong". I need to check stuff.

GB almost used the same opening last game:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:

O hai!

I'm town

It was actually his second post.

So this might indicate he's not-town replicating something he did as town last game. After all, if he's called out on that, he can always says "I did that to fish for reactions!"

Will see if he ever:
- did the same opening two times in a row as town, or
- did the same opening as mafia than the last time he was town


The very next post I removed them:
On October 13 2015 21:05 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:
On October 13 2015 20:51 Rels wrote:
On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!

I'm thrall

This post made me go like "WTF I know something is wrong". I need to check stuff.

GB almost used the same opening last game:
On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:

O hai!

I'm town

It was actually his second post.

So this might indicate he's not-town replicating something he did as town last game. After all, if he's called out on that, he can always says "I did that to fish for reactions!"

Will see if he ever:
- did the same opening two times in a row as town, or
- did the same opening as mafia than the last time he was town

OK GB actually uses this opening quite often; and I found three games in a row where he did it, two times as town, then as mafia, so this doesn't mean anything.
Sources:
+ Show Spoiler +

Hammertime mafia as town:
On January 26 2015 08:34 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm town

Mafia Mini Mafia: a miniature game of mafia as town:
On March 06 2015 08:02 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm mafia!

Mafia Mini Mafia2: another miniature game of mafia as mafia:
On April 07 2015 13:05 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh, hai!

I'm town



Now CopCake's reasons for scumreading is that I answered GB's questions when I suspected him. As seen above, that is false. She said it in one of her first posts:
On October 14 2015 03:45 CopCake wrote:
Rels and GB being like I suspect GB but I still answer glowing bear questions.

NO FUCKING WAY, you two are also mafia, take back my GB townread.


And also super recently:
On October 15 2015 04:32 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:
On October 13 2015 20:51 Rels wrote:
On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!

I'm thrall

This post made me go like "WTF I know something is wrong". I need to check stuff.

GB almost used the same opening last game:
On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:

O hai!

I'm town

It was actually his second post.

So this might indicate he's not-town replicating something he did as town last game. After all, if he's called out on that, he can always says "I did that to fish for reactions!"

Will see if he ever:
- did the same opening two times in a row as town, or
- did the same opening as mafia than the last time he was town


Ok, here he suspected GB.

I have already said why I did suspect GB btw, and is because we were mafia together last game and guess what? he should know my meta, and GB's one of his first posts was "what do you think of cake, Xata?" like HE KNOWS ME AND XATA HAVE PLAYED MAFIA BEFORE where the fuck does he has that info?

HUH HUH HUH HUH?

And you suspected GB yet you answered his questions, honestly when someone I think is mafia i tell them to shut up ans answer "me"


So:
1. Her reason to scumread me (he answered the questions of someone he is suspicious of) is not alignement indicative and is false.

2. CopCake saw that post where I put suspicions on GB, but missed the next post in the thread where I removed it. She's not reading the thread properly, which is not-town indicative. Another example: she saw the post where I thought she was townreading me, but didn't see the post when I realized I was wrong.

3. I said multiple times that I didn't suspect GB for more than one post. Multiple people have also asked her about her reasons to scumread me. She is not willing to re evaluate; she decided "Rels is scum", and doesn't change her mind when people tell her she's missing something
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 14 2015 20:10 GMT
#608
On October 15 2015 04:32 CopCake wrote:
I have already said why I did suspect GB btw, and is because we were mafia together last game and guess what? he should know my meta, and GB's one of his first posts was "what do you think of cake, Xata?" like HE KNOWS ME AND XATA HAVE PLAYED MAFIA BEFORE where the fuck does he has that info?

I don't understand that GB scumread too. Is she implying GB and XATA are partners ? But I thought GB and I were partners ?
Cause that what I understood by "HE KNOWS ME AND XATA HAVE PLAYED MAFIA BEFORE where the fuck does he has that info?"
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 14 2015 20:30 GMT
#611
On October 15 2015 05:10 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2015 04:32 CopCake wrote:
I have already said why I did suspect GB btw, and is because we were mafia together last game and guess what? he should know my meta, and GB's one of his first posts was "what do you think of cake, Xata?" like HE KNOWS ME AND XATA HAVE PLAYED MAFIA BEFORE where the fuck does he has that info?

I don't understand that GB scumread too. Is she implying GB and XATA are partners ? But I thought GB and I were partners ?
Cause that what I understood by "HE KNOWS ME AND XATA HAVE PLAYED MAFIA BEFORE where the fuck does he has that info?"

That was a real question btw. Is there another way to read this sentence ?
GB ? Anyone else ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 14 2015 20:44 GMT
#615
Going to sleep soon and gobble still haven't done anything useful. Onegu at least promised content tomorrow. Anyone up for switching ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 14 2015 20:45 GMT
#617
On October 15 2015 05:43 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2015 04:32 CopCake wrote:
On October 13 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:
On October 13 2015 20:51 Rels wrote:
On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!

I'm thrall

This post made me go like "WTF I know something is wrong". I need to check stuff.

GB almost used the same opening last game:
On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:

O hai!

I'm town

It was actually his second post.

So this might indicate he's not-town replicating something he did as town last game. After all, if he's called out on that, he can always says "I did that to fish for reactions!"

Will see if he ever:
- did the same opening two times in a row as town, or
- did the same opening as mafia than the last time he was town


Ok, here he suspected GB.

I have already said why I did suspect GB btw, and is because we were mafia together last game and guess what? he should know my meta, and GB's one of his first posts was "what do you think of cake, Xata?" like HE KNOWS ME AND XATA HAVE PLAYED MAFIA BEFORE where the fuck does he has that info?

HUH HUH HUH HUH?

And you suspected GB yet you answered his questions, honestly when someone I think is mafia i tell them to shut up ans answer "me"


This is super weak Cake. Your assuming he asked because he knows something about your past. What if he just wanted to see what Xata's opinion was?

The only way this makes GB scum is if he's scum with Xatalos right ? Or do I miss something. Cause that seems super dumb to me, in addition to not making sense with her "GB + Rels" theory
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 14 2015 20:55 GMT
#622
On October 15 2015 05:51 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2015 05:45 Rels wrote:
On October 15 2015 05:43 Tictock wrote:
On October 15 2015 04:32 CopCake wrote:
On October 13 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:
On October 13 2015 20:51 Rels wrote:
On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!

I'm thrall

This post made me go like "WTF I know something is wrong". I need to check stuff.

GB almost used the same opening last game:
On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:

O hai!

I'm town

It was actually his second post.

So this might indicate he's not-town replicating something he did as town last game. After all, if he's called out on that, he can always says "I did that to fish for reactions!"

Will see if he ever:
- did the same opening two times in a row as town, or
- did the same opening as mafia than the last time he was town


Ok, here he suspected GB.

I have already said why I did suspect GB btw, and is because we were mafia together last game and guess what? he should know my meta, and GB's one of his first posts was "what do you think of cake, Xata?" like HE KNOWS ME AND XATA HAVE PLAYED MAFIA BEFORE where the fuck does he has that info?

HUH HUH HUH HUH?

And you suspected GB yet you answered his questions, honestly when someone I think is mafia i tell them to shut up ans answer "me"


This is super weak Cake. Your assuming he asked because he knows something about your past. What if he just wanted to see what Xata's opinion was?

The only way this makes GB scum is if he's scum with Xatalos right ? Or do I miss something. Cause that seems super dumb to me, in addition to not making sense with her "GB + Rels" theory


Yea this is true...

I'll ponder this in my last hour of work.

Cake if you are town you really need to explain what made you think GB and Rels were a team.

OK that what I though. Copcake is the best lynch today. This doesn't make sense, in addition to everything I've said before.
Gobble needs to die, but that might be a job for the CPR doc. Onegu also needs to die if he doesn't do the effort he promised.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 14 2015 20:57 GMT
#623
Alright going to sleep. See you all tomorrow! And don't you dare not lynching CopCake.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 15 2015 08:45 GMT
#789
Fuck. Can't believe copcake was town.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 15 2015 08:46 GMT
#790
On October 15 2015 06:28 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2015 06:28 Koshi wrote:
Nha. I dont believe in this lynch. But you know her. I am cool with it


You know her?

Koshi what did you mean by that ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 15 2015 08:52 GMT
#791
On October 15 2015 07:27 Koshi wrote:
CPR doc should focus Moosy.

ezgame.

Doesn't matter really who we lynch.

Using the cpr to kill today is good. There are too many alive people to guess kp.
Moosy is a good kill.
Gobble is still totally useless, and onegu promised content today.
Kill one of these three imo. Remove gobble or onegu from the list if one of them starts being useful and townie
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 15 2015 08:54 GMT
#792
On October 15 2015 07:27 Koshi wrote:
CPR doc should focus Moosy.

ezgame.

Doesn't matter really who we lynch.

Using the cpr to kill today is good. There are too many alive people to guess kp.
Moosy is a good kill. He s always illogical, so he s super difficult to read.
Gobble is still totally useless, and onegu promised content today.
Kill one of these three imo. Remove gobble or onegu from the list if one of them starts being useful and townie
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 15 2015 09:07 GMT
#793
On October 15 2015 07:30 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2015 07:29 Tictock wrote:
SorryI meant to do this awhile ago.

##Vote: Moosy


Wait what? You just wanted to join a shennanie PROPOSED by Moosy.

???

Wow weird. Here superbia forgets there are multiple anti town teams. But I'm pretty sure he was the one bringing up the point about copcake saying "mafia" so she must be 3p. Its weird he now forgot that moosy can be not town pushing another not town, so its not weird TT can push both moosy and moosy s target.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 15 2015 09:08 GMT
#794
I'm on a fucking train and the network is making me crazy! I cannot browse the thread as I want. Fucking "you're not connected" all the time
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 15 2015 09:26 GMT
#795
On October 15 2015 15:17 GlowingBear wrote:
Koshi tomorrow

Reasons ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 15 2015 10:26 GMT
#800
On October 15 2015 19:07 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2015 18:07 Rels wrote:
On October 15 2015 07:30 Superbia wrote:
On October 15 2015 07:29 Tictock wrote:
SorryI meant to do this awhile ago.

##Vote: Moosy


Wait what? You just wanted to join a shennanie PROPOSED by Moosy.

???

Wow weird. Here superbia forgets there are multiple anti town teams. But I'm pretty sure he was the one bringing up the point about copcake saying "mafia" so she must be 3p. Its weird he now forgot that moosy can be not town pushing another not town, so its not weird TT can push both moosy and moosy s target.

It's not weird. It was a legit concern in any game except this one.

Thats kinda what I was saying ... He made the difference before, and didn't for that post
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 15 2015 10:27 GMT
#801
BTW you should try rebirth. Better in every way but the music
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 15 2015 11:20 GMT
#804
On October 15 2015 20:09 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2015 19:26 Rels wrote:
On October 15 2015 19:07 Koshi wrote:
On October 15 2015 18:07 Rels wrote:
On October 15 2015 07:30 Superbia wrote:
On October 15 2015 07:29 Tictock wrote:
SorryI meant to do this awhile ago.

##Vote: Moosy


Wait what? You just wanted to join a shennanie PROPOSED by Moosy.

???

Wow weird. Here superbia forgets there are multiple anti town teams. But I'm pretty sure he was the one bringing up the point about copcake saying "mafia" so she must be 3p. Its weird he now forgot that moosy can be not town pushing another not town, so its not weird TT can push both moosy and moosy s target.

It's not weird. It was a legit concern in any game except this one.

Thats kinda what I was saying ... He made the difference before, and didn't for that post


This is true, and maybe I forgot for the moment, but I still think it is somewhat suspicious. Tictock also just said that moosy has had shit tier reads, but apparently he was more than willing than join on the wagon on gobble..

Like how much do you trust your own reads? If you think moosy is mafia why would you not want to push on him? Would you not be instinctively apprehensive of the pushes he suggests (even in this setup)? Especially if you call his overall play shitty?

Mm a few things, and you will tell me if that changed your mind:
- that's gobble we re talking about :p nobody can be "wrong" on him because he didn't produce enough content for us to evaluate. So TT can think moosy have shit read, but that doesn't apply to gobble
- TT said before gobble was one of his scumread
- I think I was the one first proposing the gobble switch, not moosy. I might be wrong but I don't think so
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 15 2015 13:04 GMT
#826
On October 15 2015 20:40 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2015 07:29 Koshi wrote:
On October 15 2015 07:20 deconduo wrote:
On October 15 2015 07:14 Superbia wrote:
I would like an answer to this question from everyone btw. Just real quick:

Is copcake scum?
Is moosy scum?
Why are you voting [copcake/moosy] over [moosy/copcake]?
What's your top 3 town?


At this point I believe there is no way both copcake and moosy are town. If they are, I don't want to play mafia for the next 20 years.


1) Yes
2) Yes
3) Moosy is groupie, so is essentially a wasted lynch. Better to lynch copcake.
4) Hmm, nothing much has changed on the town side since my first vote. Rels, Koshi ,superbia stay in the top 3 for now.

You are anti town.


Show nested quote +
On October 15 2015 07:34 Koshi wrote:
On October 15 2015 07:34 deconduo wrote:
On October 15 2015 07:29 Koshi wrote:
On October 15 2015 07:20 deconduo wrote:
On October 15 2015 07:14 Superbia wrote:
I would like an answer to this question from everyone btw. Just real quick:

Is copcake scum?
Is moosy scum?
Why are you voting [copcake/moosy] over [moosy/copcake]?
What's your top 3 town?


At this point I believe there is no way both copcake and moosy are town. If they are, I don't want to play mafia for the next 20 years.


1) Yes
2) Yes
3) Moosy is groupie, so is essentially a wasted lynch. Better to lynch copcake.
4) Hmm, nothing much has changed on the town side since my first vote. Rels, Koshi ,superbia stay in the top 3 for now.

You are anti town.


Why? There is no good reason for us to want to lynch groupie at all this game.

It's ok. I know you are mafia. It's fine.


Show nested quote +
On October 15 2015 09:06 Koshi wrote:
Moosy
deconduo
Xatalos


Mafia 3p cpr,

please kill above targets.


Koshi is scum for this btw.

- Lynching groupie doesn't remove them from the game, it just stops them from posting in the thread
- Therefore lynching groupie is the same as a no-lynch
- Therefore Koshi is pushing the fact that a no-lynch is pro-town
- Therefore Koshi is scum.

Now might be the time to explain how Moosy is 100% groupie.
Cause if you can't do that, your accusation is baseless.
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