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Tictock
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When do I ever actually tryhard D1? Never understood why you said that last game but you were mafia so w/e. Anyways I'm mobile atm so diggin up stuff on my own meta will have yo wait. Rels is focusing on the wrong part of that post anyways, clearly the important statement was that I was out of Pot. Anyways would like to know what Xat and Koshi find scummy about me, or if they are just sheeping Rels meta case without checking things themselves. | ||
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Tictock
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On October 13 2015 21:38 Rels wrote: Wow just when I'm done explaining how I don't like a TT's post, I read these: Way to have two opinions at the same time. "Koshi's vote on Moosy was shit, but Moosy's reactions was shit". Selling his opinions short. "hey I have reads but they don't matter!" I think TT is not-town. Yep, i'm totally capable of having two opinions. Its really easy when they dont even really clash with each other. My townreads were shit, based on a post each and something like meta. They are my reads with stuff backing them that shouldn't convince anyone else so I'm not going to bother spelling it out. | ||
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Tictock
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On October 13 2015 20:56 Rels wrote: GB almost used the same opening last game: It was actually his second post. So this might indicate he's not-town replicating something he did as town last game. After all, if he's called out on that, he can always says "I did that to fish for reactions!" Will see if he ever: - did the same opening two times in a row as town, or - did the same opening as mafia than the last time he was town You are focusing alot on meta reads Rels... This worries me. | ||
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Tictock
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On October 13 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: I kind of like how I'm doing nothing and yet I'm still alive. What did you expect mid day? I hope this doesn't mean you plan to skate by. | ||
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Tictock
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I should double check that everyone has posted when I get home, I might be on to something. | ||
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Tictock
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On October 14 2015 01:58 GlowingBear wrote: By the way, no. Just thought about something. Koshi is back to null. Don't ask me what it is. I think I know, kus I had a very similar reaction. I'll explain when I get caught up. | ||
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Tictock
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Good to know, lol. | ||
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Tictock
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On October 14 2015 02:12 Rels wrote: This will be my answer to everything you said since I'm not replying to multiple quotes with phone. The big point outside meta is that you're trying to lie low. "I might make some thoughtful posts later this game", " koshi s vote is shit but his vote target s reaction is also shit", "here are my shitty town reads" ... It looks like to take you don't want people to take you seriously, and that's not something a townie would do. Now regarding meta. I don't know why you're surprised I said you tried hard DD as town; but I quoted your first few posts of season of the witch. Read them and try telling me again you never try D1. Eh, I see where you are getting that, but your just taking my posts too seriously. It's not even 24 hrs into the day yet for cryin out loud. Also if you gunna straight compare posts like that you miss a lot of context. Like this game started off really slow, so there wasn't much to talk about. SoW most of my posts are about setup talk. Guardians is like all filler crap kus I posted first and was somewhat spammy that day. As for the meta stuff, I just really don't like meta reads. I've seen them do wonders for people and lead people to ignore obvious signs of scum because of what they think meta proves. I also remember you relying on them a little bit too much in SoW... Regardless, it's just hard to discuss meta without really knowing people well. You can find quotes and posts a bunch of them that help support your point, but it's naive to build a full read based on that. Too much confirmation bias. Like you are right in that I don't really think my posts are not "meaningful or thoughtout", though I think there are people who would say that. But if I wanted to I can pull a few quotes that support the idea that I do think that. | ||
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Tictock
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What throws that read off is how he came back to defend that vote and used some stuff that happened after he voted (namely Moosy's play dropping off sharply) to support MD being scum. I also thought this post was very weird. On October 13 2015 20:26 Koshi wrote: Anybody with KP, please kill Xatalos this night. At first I thought it was because Koshi wanted to lynch Moosy still, but now he's switched his vote to me. So I'm left scratching my head a little. My gut is telling me Koshi is still prob town for sticking his head out so early in the game, my head just doesn't get the rest of it yet. | ||
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Tictock
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Basically the idea is that scum are unsure how to open and will often spend extra time on their first posts and talk about multiple subjects. Xat's open practically screamed that to me. On October 13 2015 19:24 Xatalos wrote: Btw if you want to see the up-to-date votecount then it's here at all times: https://mafia-votecount.herokuapp.com/#495390-crossfire-mafia I truly hope the VT claims are from anti-town parties / blues since otherwise it's just, frankly, playing against your win condition. It'd be preferable if nobody claimed roles D1 or even after that without good reason. This felt a bit wrong to me. What I mean is the fact that Koshi was primarily concerned about his own life and while saying that town's position is bad (which should lead to the conclusion that it's time to play well), he concludes that he's going to lurk.. Which left me with the feeling that rather than having good lynches, he just wanted to avoid getting shot. The strongest motivation for that would be if he's anti-town. It's still possible that he's blue or something, but if that's the case, then it's pretty bad play to announce your survival instinct so clearly (making it less likely that you're a VT). Also Koshi: I don't agree that town is underpowered. The anti-towns can kill each other as well, and we have 2 (kind of) Medics in the game. Well, it is a bit random that way. That's 4 different topics, 3 if you combine anything related to Koshi. 1-Votecount link 2- VT Claims, No Claims 3- Quote and scumread on Koshi 4- Town not underpowered The quote in 3 was also brought up by Slam earlier, same bolding even, but maybe that's weak. This might hold even better given that it has been sometime since Xat played here+ Show Spoiler + On October 13 2015 19:46 Xatalos wrote: Here's the current nicknames list if you're interested: https://github.com/Xatalos/mafia-votecount/blob/master/resources/public/js/nicknames.js I've played my couple of last games on Vendetta Strada. Last time I played here... Was this one I think: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia Yeah I agree that Slam is feeling very carefree/relaxed. Which usually leans towards town... How did you come to that townread list btw? Also his defense of Moosy felt a little off, as did his early town read+ Show Spoiler + On October 13 2015 19:33 Xatalos wrote: My gut feeling is that MoosyDoosy is town. If you ask me why? It's because he's taking it so easy while being accused. I think it's a bit more likely to become defensive or even over-react somehow if you're actually not town, rather than joke around. Especially since there are several anti-town factions, it's even more dangerous for you if votes get piled on you... On October 13 2015 19:54 Xatalos wrote: Still, basically there's never a reason not to play as town. Only scum(/anti-town) benefits from a silent thread. And it even makes the game MORE random since there's less to work with. Moosy's filter defines silent btw, half of his page is pre-game. On October 13 2015 20:12 Xatalos wrote: Oh yeah... This was mostly because I disliked his style of just cautiously/briefly popping into the thread to make some semi-useless comment, then disappear. That and the fact that others who had posted so far had at least something town-leaning going for them. That's quite a bit of picking and choosing in how he applies this logic. So yea, this guy has been my top scumread for quite some time, and I'm fairly sure Xata flips non-town here. ##Vote: Xatalos | ||
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Tictock
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On October 14 2015 05:13 Rels wrote: Yes I would love quotes that support that idea. Cause that's not how I see your play Here some stuff where I make comments about my play like that, and pretty good evidence other people think that of me, lol. + Show Spoiler + On August 02 2015 15:51 Tictock wrote: Looks like we might be starting soon! Pre-Game excuse: I'm terrible On August 04 2015 14:14 Tictock wrote: GG Everyone! No worries about lynching me D2, I got all that out in Obs QT ^.^ Besides, looking at the game objectively Moosy and myself were Wildcards that needed to be dealt with at some point. Speaking of cards... My best reads were actually when I was doing my tarot stuff. But... besides that all my reads were pretty shit. I think I felt pressured to look like town so I started reading through stuff trying to find something which is never a good way to go. Regardless I think I need to rethink my approach. These were after I got lynched that game On July 29 2015 07:10 ruXxar wrote: Meh, he brought it on himself. On July 30 2015 04:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: iam sorry for the lynch. not really though, TT was awful. noobking is mafia. mark my words. Different game, Personality, after I got mislynched in what turned out to be lylo. On September 05 2015 07:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Tictock. Seriously. Fuck you. Probably other stuff if I cared enough to dig through obs and shit But that's still missing the point that I was clearly making a joke here. On October 13 2015 19:24 Tictock wrote: Sad news Fellows... After today I am out of potent smoke-ables. This could even mean I give meaningful and thought out posts eventually this game. I mean I even phrased it like me giving meaningful posts was a bad thing... | ||
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Tictock
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On October 14 2015 05:28 Xatalos wrote: Well yeah, at this point MoosyDoosy's inactivity is starting to get irritating. I still get the feeling that anti-town wouldn't blatantly make themselves suspicious like that... Or generally just act without care for their own survival. In my experience people like that are usually town who get easily mislynched by scum. *Rarely* there are cases where scum take that as their strategy and WIFOM themselves out of suspicion... I kind of doubt MoosyDoosy is going for such a high-risk play. Out of curiosity, when did I become your top scumread? You haven't really even mentioned me before that, but you said "for a long time". The case is kind of a cherry-picked gathering of pretty null-leaning things as well. Not sure how talking about several topics in your opening is really scummy. Many people have done that. Pretty much your open. Besides what I already described there was some tonal things, and you kinda jumped on things as I would have expected scum to do. What separates Moosy's play from gobble's, or Sylencia who you voted for cautiously/briefly popping into the thread to make some semi-useless comment, then disappear | ||
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Tictock
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On October 14 2015 03:50 deconduo wrote: So I've decided to put in some effort into this game as there's not a massive amount to read yet. In order from towniest to scummiest: + Show Spoiler [Rels] + On October 13 2015 21:05 Rels wrote: OK GB actually uses this opening quite often; and I found three games in a row where he did it, two times as town, then as mafia, so this doesn't mean anything. Sources: + Show Spoiler + Hammertime mafia as town: On January 26 2015 08:34 GlowingBear wrote: O hai! I'm town Mafia Mini Mafia: a miniature game of mafia as town: On March 06 2015 08:02 GlowingBear wrote: O hai! I'm mafia! Mafia Mini Mafia2: another miniature game of mafia as mafia: On April 07 2015 13:05 GlowingBear wrote: Oh, hai! I'm town I like that he went to the effort of digging this up, and retracted his earlier read based on it. On October 13 2015 21:17 Rels wrote: are you serious. I had to go back to check GB's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler + On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote: O hai! I'm thrall On October 13 2015 10:44 GlowingBear wrote: Wow what a boring start Slam's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler + On October 13 2015 09:02 Alakaslam wrote: Good afternoon. Koshi, sson You gotta remember you even hate on your own balance work On October 13 2015 09:06 Alakaslam wrote: I found the perfect corny cheese video for what I expect to happen here On October 13 2015 11:34 Alakaslam wrote: What a dead thread! Guess I will go really read and reread Koshi's dramas On October 13 2015 11:54 Alakaslam wrote: This dude looks like a cop-out artist here Why What is the true motive for this post? TT's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler + On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote: I assume you are referring to ![[image loading]](http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/15/152870/2684749-1410539-thrall.jpg) In which case you used the correct color. But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these... Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you. On October 13 2015 11:17 Tictock wrote: So I was stupid today guys... I agreed to pickup an extra shift at work tomorrow morning  I'll poke in once or twice more before bed, but i gotta try and get to sleep soon. Will have a decent chunk of time to sink in after i get done with that though. Explain your town reads. More good work here. On October 13 2015 21:38 Rels wrote: Wow just when I'm done explaining how I don't like a TT's post, I read these: Way to have two opinions at the same time. "Koshi's vote on Moosy was shit, but Moosy's reactions was shit". Selling his opinions short. "hey I have reads but they don't matter!" I think TT is not-town. And more again. In fact I like most of Rels' filter. #1 Townie for me so far. + Show Spoiler [koshi] + Is active, complains about balance, pushes some early reads. Seems like town to me. Also love this: + Show Spoiler [Superbia] + On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote: I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. On October 13 2015 20:19 Superbia wrote: dun dun dunnnn. Btw: I like koshi. I think I like slam. I still dislike moosy. Moosy did this whole "let's be friends" routine bullshit which I completely disliked. And he did it with 3 separate people. (Hint: he probably doesn't have a read on any of them) I'm a fan of these posts, as they mirror my own thinking. That's enough for me to lean town for now. + Show Spoiler [Sylencia] + On October 13 2015 14:40 Sylencia wrote: The more haikus made The more I want to kill you JK, good gimmick Also CopCake, how does that 1 line make Superbia anti-town? On October 13 2015 23:49 Sylencia wrote: Reserving judgement based on recent events because I'm still processing it (read: I'm not trying very hard). Main read is CopCake anti-town because their reasoning baffles me (aka there is no reasoning) and I can't understand a train of process that goes: Suspect A: 1 word brb Suspect B: Crap haiku Suspect A gets the vote. Same as above, mirroring my own thoughts and suspicions. Town lean. + Show Spoiler [Xatalos] + On October 13 2015 19:24 Xatalos wrote: I truly hope the VT claims are from anti-town parties / blues since otherwise it's just, frankly, playing against your win condition. It'd be preferable if nobody claimed roles D1 or even after that without good reason. This does drive me a little bit nuts as well. On October 13 2015 20:23 Xatalos wrote: I don't think that "doing something" or "playing according to someone else's wishes" is what makes someone townie, especially in the first page of the game or so. What could he have been "doing" exactly? The game had just started. What really matters is the consistency and motivation of someone's posts. Let's see... As scum, he would have plenty of motivation to appease someone that just started accusing him, or misdirect the attention away, or something. He would likely show some sort of inconsistency when the situation suddenly changes. Instead, he continued doing whatever meaningless he was doing. He wasn't panicked about the situation, and his attitude was consistent. That's why I got the gut feeling he was town. I disagree with this, but I understand the thought process and feels towny to me. On October 13 2015 20:12 Xatalos wrote: Oh yeah... This was mostly because I disliked his style of just cautiously/briefly popping into the thread to make some semi-useless comment, then disappear. That and the fact that others who had posted so far had at least something town-leaning going for them. Again, I disagree with the read, but I like the fact that he's made it and is pushing something. Overall a bit of filler about the voteapp and other things, but is still making some interesting posts. Slight townlean. + Show Spoiler [Onegu] + On October 13 2015 18:21 Onegu wrote: With 3 blues and 4 mafia/3p I roll fucking VT. Fuck this. Onegu out. Taking some pain meds and relaxing. Back later to figure this game out. Another VT claim. Not much here, Null. + Show Spoiler [Alakaslam] + Couldn't make much sense of his filter tbh. Null + + Show Spoiler [gobbledydook] + The haikus are fine, but very little substance tbh. I like the first one a bit, but that's all: On October 13 2015 10:21 gobbledydook wrote: It is the first page Courteous greeting for Koshi You think he is scum? I'd want a bit more before making a proper read, but leaning towards the scum side of null atm. + Show Spoiler [GlowingBear] + On October 14 2015 01:58 GlowingBear wrote: By the way, no. Just thought about something. Koshi is back to null. Don't ask me what it is. I don't see the point of posts like these. Either explain or don't say anything until you can explain. On October 14 2015 02:15 GlowingBear wrote: I thought I saw 3 votes on him? I don't know who are voting him, I just thought his wagon being formed fast is suspicious. I've already said who I dislike at least until page 7. The others I've just skimmed. It was a bit of a weird reaction to a two man wagon. I dunno, overall still null. + Show Spoiler [MoosyDoosy] + Didn't really like how he just ignored and sidestepped Koshi's fos/vote. Hasn't really done anything really yet, despite being active and posting. On October 13 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: I kind of like how I'm doing nothing and yet I'm still alive. Quality post  . Leaning scum.+ Show Spoiler [Tictock] + I agree with a lot of Rels' case, but I want to add this as well: On October 14 2015 01:22 Tictock wrote: When do I ever actually tryhard D1? On October 14 2015 01:30 Tictock wrote: What did you expect mid day? I hope this doesn't mean you plan to skate by. As a counterpoint though, he has been reasonably active (without much filler). So that's a small town point at least. + Show Spoiler [copcake] + On October 13 2015 13:37 CopCake wrote: Why do you need to write this? Hello anti town people GB is town Alakasamboombam is town Dont stop make it pop tik tok is town. On October 13 2015 13:40 CopCake wrote: Also Moosy naming me, idk how to take it. ##Superbia As Rels pointed out, it's a pretty big leap to make those town reads so early. AND claiming VT and voting based on a brb? Meh, to the bottom of the scumpile you go. Gonna vote for copcake based on the above. ##Vote: copcake Oh btw, I think this guy is town. Seems like a legit reads post after catching up for an hour. Kinda wanna see more, but the day is still young. | ||
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Tictock
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On October 14 2015 05:23 Rels wrote: Actually it only means something if xatalos and moosy are in a team together. Otherwise that illogical defense of Moosy is without a purpose. So by voting xatalos you're also suspecting moosy to be his teammate ? It's possible. I'm not sure it's that easy though. I know I'd be pretty leery of making an obvious connection like that, however I'd be quite willing to associate myself with someone not on my team... Is now a good time to mention I have some weird tin foil ideas about this game? | ||
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Tictock
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On October 14 2015 05:30 deconduo wrote: That's a good point actually. Because its teams of 2, scumteams will probably have to hard defend each other from lynches. Bussing is not a viable strat this game because both sides have KP. Yea bussing is pretty unlikely in this setup, but not impossible. While the janitor part is nice to keep around, this role is interesting. Fanatic Groupie: Once per game during the night phase, you may pm the host to Janitor: PlayerName. If the targeted player would die during that phase, they will flip neither alignment nor role; you will be sent that player's alignment and role. If Crossfire is alive when you die, you will remain in the game; you may not use your janitor power, you will not join Obs QT, you may not post in the Game Thread, and you may not post in Third Party QT. While you are dead and Crossfire is alive, during the day phase you MUST still vote in the Voting Thread; voting rules apply as normal. Whenever Crossfire dies, you will be removed from the game (whether or not you are currently alive). I mean, if I was crossfire I might consider bussing my groupie to get towncred, while keeping a vote on my side. | ||
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On October 14 2015 06:10 CopCake wrote: I said GB is looking mafia with rels, he looked town before. TIKTOK is so carefree so is slam, their intro tone is good. Can you elaborate on what you are talking about with Rels and GB? I'm not seeing it. | ||
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Tictock
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I'd like to see more out of anyone with less than a page of filter. In particular Moosy, gobble, and Onegu need to bring something to the table. Cop and Superbia are playing, but not at all posting. Just more plz. Decoundo and Sylencia are somehow the standouts of this group. | ||
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Tictock
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On October 14 2015 08:04 MoosyDoosy wrote: This is around my 4th game with Tictock. This is your 2nd. -pokes- Actually nope. Pretty sure I've played a similar number of games with you both. I think I might have actually played with Rels more, but it's around 3-4 games that I've played with either of you. | ||
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On October 14 2015 08:48 Koshi wrote: 3p has no TMI. 3p is solo. 3p is way more carefree. Hunting 3p is stupid. There is nothing that 3p does different than town except 3p wants to survive a bit more. Sylencia just claimed some guy focused on mafia so he must be 3p. I also focus on mafia because searching for 3p is stupid. Doesn't make any sense. He is a townie with a vig shot. The end. Pretty sure both factions have the same amount of info, so I don't get this post. Mafia knows who is Mafia and who is not. 3p knows who is 3p and who is not. On October 14 2015 08:46 GlowingBear wrote: Why are we differentiating mafia from 3p when they basically are just two different mafia factions? This is accurate. | ||
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