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I suppose I'd be willing to have a shadow, though I would hope that there would be better offers XD
And I'd rather have people play than shadow me 
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I feel so left out for not knowing anything about whiskey........
Then again, I also don't know anything about mafia, so I suppose it's rather fitting
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This game shouldn't be too spammy, right?
Right???
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On September 26 2015 13:50 sicklucker wrote:
acualy were full you missed dandred I didn't think there'd a be a sicklucker moment before the game even started ^^
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On September 27 2015 12:59 rsoultin wrote:
well, if you're looking to shadow mafia players, i wouldn't recommend trfel (unless he gets off his lazy ass >> he can be good but it's like pulling teeth) or ls, who hates playing scum
but dani's right; you won't know the alignment beforehand
in terms of good scum players, sicklucker does pretty well (in part because of his town play, but whatevs) and so does damdred...i think shining has a decent scum game as well though i'm not sure? rayn is probably the best of those who have signed up in terms of consistency and actively pushing mafia agenda. someone mentioned the smurf is hf, which is possible, but without knowing for sure...-shrugs-
i've forgotten who even volunteered now lol >< Jerk....
Lynching you Day 1.
Edit: I'm hoping to actually play this game! Really! Though I'm also hoping to be town XD
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But I'm guessing that Fidei already knows the setup, so he probably can't play?
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Yeah I really don't know why I'm playing in the whiskey game ^^
But as long as I roll town it should be fun!
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On September 28 2015 10:17 NocturneMage wrote:##teamwhiskey I know I'm not actually in the game, but yeah, for the hell of it. also want to apologise to the community for making a monster of hts...took her to a few micro-distilleries when we were in the US last year....she's never looked back. what have I done...  I was worried she'd roll mafia in the witch game, because I'd just bought a bottle of Talisker Storm and then of course it'd be half gone by the time the game ended but thankfully that wasn't the case I do hope you aren't hoping for too much in this shadowing experience, because rsoultin is going to die Day 1
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I didn't say Night 1.
I said Day 1.
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On September 28 2015 20:59 rsoultin wrote::/ i've already been lynched d1 by the scum!rayn not here cause y'all are smarter than that lol but still no novelties for you xP But raynpelikoneet was mafia.
I hope to be town ^^
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Sorry if I missed it, but about when should the silent period start?
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Bleh, I don't want to have to do my homework once the game starts 
But I don't want to do it now, either
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I can't decide if I should post random fluff now or save it for later so I can get townread
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On September 29 2015 05:53 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 05:52 Trfel wrote:I can't decide if I should post random fluff now or save it for later so I can get townread I feel I will tunnel you in this game I feel it I can feel it But then I'll probably end up skipping class to defend myself, and that really wouldn't be good
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On September 29 2015 05:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv i hope you are town.
i am gonna try if i am. not mafia. too time consuming. <3 Ok, if raynpelikoneet tries this game, he's 100% town. Got it.
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Is this going to be another one of those EU-dominated games where no one is online when I'm trying to play, and there's 30 pages to read every morning when I wake up?
It shouldn't be, as long as the Americans actually play.... (glares)
Should be a fun game though, I'll try my best not to be overly abrasive, but I do apologize in advance.
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On September 29 2015 06:14 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 06:11 Trfel wrote:
Is this going to be another one of those EU-dominated games where no one is online when I'm trying to play, and there's 30 pages to read every morning when I wake up?
It shouldn't be, as long as the Americans actually play.... (glares)
Should be a fun game though, I'll try my best not to be overly abrasive, but I do apologize in advance. I honestly had the same problem in my first couple of newbies....solo EU in a sea of Americans. But you did so well in those games
I'm trying to find excuses for bad play! Stop taking them away from me!
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+ Show Spoiler +Welcome to the Wonderful World of Trfel!
(musical version) As some of you may know, I really appreciate instrumental music. As with most things, my knowledge of classical music is very limited (I only know a few of the major symphonies, for example), but that doesn't stop me from enjoying music. My tastes in music are fairly strange and specific, which I suppose comes partly from my musical background. I have no real music theory education, but I have been playing trumpet for a while, throughout grade school and continuing in college. I like to think that I'm quite good at it, but unfortunately musical instruments are very challenging for most people and it would take me far more effort than I feel comfortable giving to get my trumpet playing to the next level. So I'm stuck playing in one of the boring bands at the university, which just has a bunch of people who feel like playing their instrument once in a while but aren't terribly good at it. And I've found myself really losing my appreciation for playing and practicing trumpet, which is very sad because I've spent so much time working on my trumpet playing over the past five years or so, but I'm not sure if there is anything that I can do about it. But I still enjoy music a ton. Not just listening to it, but being a part of it. So I'm trying to learn how to compose music. It's quite difficult because I have no formal theory training (just whatever I've picked up over my years with trumpet and coming from a fairly musical family), and my piano playing skills are next to zero (and piano playing is basically how everyone composes music). So it will definitely be a difficult learning period, but I hope that I can push through it. I have a keyboard in my room now, full 88 keys. I've tried to play it several times, but I'm so bad that it's painful to listen to myself. If anyone has any tips for starting on the piano, I'm very interested XD But the piano has proved useful for testing new chords and progressions for my songs. I don't have much yet, and the progress is slow, but I'm hoping that I can figure out how to compose proper music. I generally enjoy music with heavier usage of brass instruments (I do play trumpet, after all). John Williams has done some incredible things with brass in many of his famous movie scores and other compositions. In particular, his french horn usage is amazing. I also found an old CD of some Miklos Rosza film music, and that's been really enjoyable as well. The style of music used in film scores seems very fun to compose, play, and listen to, as there is much more freedom in the music itself (though modern movies tend to utilize the musical score more for background only, and don't use a recurring melody that brings the music directly to people's attention, which I find a bit lacking). Despite having basically no idea what I'm doing, I'm very excited about the possibilities and hope to create some good songs. One great band piece to end the post (or at least, I think it's a great band piece ):
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So you're probably asking, what was the point of the above post? Now I can tell you!
Basically, I'm going to be spending all of my time composing music, so I won't really be able to play this game. Sorry about that, because I know I'm the only reason that you all signed up
So why did I make this post separate from the above post? Easy, this way they are two posts instead of one. That's the activity limit for Day 1, so I don't have to post again until Night 1.
See you in 48 hours!
(yes, I know I've used this video too many times, but deal with it )
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On September 29 2015 07:02 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 07:00 Trfel wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Welcome to the Wonderful World of Trfel!
(musical version) As some of you may know, I really appreciate instrumental music. As with most things, my knowledge of classical music is very limited (I only know a few of the major symphonies, for example), but that doesn't stop me from enjoying music. My tastes in music are fairly strange and specific, which I suppose comes partly from my musical background. I have no real music theory education, but I have been playing trumpet for a while, throughout grade school and continuing in college. I like to think that I'm quite good at it, but unfortunately musical instruments are very challenging for most people and it would take me far more effort than I feel comfortable giving to get my trumpet playing to the next level. So I'm stuck playing in one of the boring bands at the university, which just has a bunch of people who feel like playing their instrument once in a while but aren't terribly good at it. And I've found myself really losing my appreciation for playing and practicing trumpet, which is very sad because I've spent so much time working on my trumpet playing over the past five years or so, but I'm not sure if there is anything that I can do about it. But I still enjoy music a ton. Not just listening to it, but being a part of it. So I'm trying to learn how to compose music. It's quite difficult because I have no formal theory training (just whatever I've picked up over my years with trumpet and coming from a fairly musical family), and my piano playing skills are next to zero (and piano playing is basically how everyone composes music). So it will definitely be a difficult learning period, but I hope that I can push through it. I have a keyboard in my room now, full 88 keys. I've tried to play it several times, but I'm so bad that it's painful to listen to myself. If anyone has any tips for starting on the piano, I'm very interested XD But the piano has proved useful for testing new chords and progressions for my songs. I don't have much yet, and the progress is slow, but I'm hoping that I can figure out how to compose proper music. I generally enjoy music with heavier usage of brass instruments (I do play trumpet, after all). John Williams has done some incredible things with brass in many of his famous movie scores and other compositions. In particular, his french horn usage is amazing. I also found an old CD of some Miklos Rosza film music, and that's been really enjoyable as well. The style of music used in film scores seems very fun to compose, play, and listen to, as there is much more freedom in the music itself (though modern movies tend to utilize the musical score more for background only, and don't use a recurring melody that brings the music directly to people's attention, which I find a bit lacking). Despite having basically no idea what I'm doing, I'm very excited about the possibilities and hope to create some good songs. One great band piece to end the post (or at least, I think it's a great band piece ): TLDR please? Also guys I'm town this game let's get some scum lynched! My post isn't actually that long, if you actually care about the content you can just read it yourself.....
And if you don't care about the content, then you can probably just not read the stuff inside the spoiler. Which is all of the post. So you're done!
That wasn't too hard, was it?
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On September 29 2015 07:03 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 07:02 LightningStrike wrote:On September 29 2015 07:00 Trfel wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Welcome to the Wonderful World of Trfel!
(musical version) As some of you may know, I really appreciate instrumental music. As with most things, my knowledge of classical music is very limited (I only know a few of the major symphonies, for example), but that doesn't stop me from enjoying music. My tastes in music are fairly strange and specific, which I suppose comes partly from my musical background. I have no real music theory education, but I have been playing trumpet for a while, throughout grade school and continuing in college. I like to think that I'm quite good at it, but unfortunately musical instruments are very challenging for most people and it would take me far more effort than I feel comfortable giving to get my trumpet playing to the next level. So I'm stuck playing in one of the boring bands at the university, which just has a bunch of people who feel like playing their instrument once in a while but aren't terribly good at it. And I've found myself really losing my appreciation for playing and practicing trumpet, which is very sad because I've spent so much time working on my trumpet playing over the past five years or so, but I'm not sure if there is anything that I can do about it. But I still enjoy music a ton. Not just listening to it, but being a part of it. So I'm trying to learn how to compose music. It's quite difficult because I have no formal theory training (just whatever I've picked up over my years with trumpet and coming from a fairly musical family), and my piano playing skills are next to zero (and piano playing is basically how everyone composes music). So it will definitely be a difficult learning period, but I hope that I can push through it. I have a keyboard in my room now, full 88 keys. I've tried to play it several times, but I'm so bad that it's painful to listen to myself. If anyone has any tips for starting on the piano, I'm very interested XD But the piano has proved useful for testing new chords and progressions for my songs. I don't have much yet, and the progress is slow, but I'm hoping that I can figure out how to compose proper music. I generally enjoy music with heavier usage of brass instruments (I do play trumpet, after all). John Williams has done some incredible things with brass in many of his famous movie scores and other compositions. In particular, his french horn usage is amazing. I also found an old CD of some Miklos Rosza film music, and that's been really enjoyable as well. The style of music used in film scores seems very fun to compose, play, and listen to, as there is much more freedom in the music itself (though modern movies tend to utilize the musical score more for background only, and don't use a recurring melody that brings the music directly to people's attention, which I find a bit lacking). Despite having basically no idea what I'm doing, I'm very excited about the possibilities and hope to create some good songs. One great band piece to end the post (or at least, I think it's a great band piece ): TLDR please? Also guys I'm town this game let's get some scum lynched! TLDR: yada yada music yada not posting cause music yada yada Anyway, this post is extremely scummy. Rsoultin is clearly mafia.
Why does she not take a stance? She's just fanning the flames and waiting to see where everyone comes down instead of actually leading the thread.
##vote rsoultin
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Wait a second, being town wasn't one of Damdred's requirements......
I almost want to lynch Damdred instead of rsoultin now But I must stay the course!
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On September 29 2015 07:12 rsoultin wrote:truffle took your position. next phase Please explain, I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at here?
I mean, yeah, I'd just like to have you explain this post please ^^
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On September 29 2015 07:16 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 07:12 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:
O hai!
I'm town truffle took your position. next phase Please explain, I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at here? I mean, yeah, I'd just like to have you explain this post please ^^ i see you bby you know it me and my third eye of amaze. or am i wrong and you're not being the gb acolyte, just trying to imitate the finer whiskies? (is that how you spell they plural for whisky? o.0) I'd still like to have you explain the post I quoted. I chose the wording of my previous post very carefully, believe it or not.
How about, if you explain it and I like the explanation, I'll remove my vote on you? And then I'll explain why I asked.
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On September 29 2015 07:18 Damdred wrote:
Scum qt contains shining and gb Cool! Two lynches down 
Who's the third mafia?
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On September 29 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 07:19 Damdred wrote:
Ok I have a couple terrible town reads Is this going to be the theme for early Day 1? This just going to a shitfest..... If you don't like the direction that the thread is going in, shouldn't you do something about it instead of just commenting?
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On September 29 2015 07:07 rsoultin wrote:
silly townread on ls
why?
cause...i feel like it
-lounges- Good reading comprehension and memory, raypnelikoneet.
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On September 29 2015 07:21 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 07:07 rsoultin wrote:
silly townread on ls
why?
cause...i feel like it
-lounges- Good reading comprehension and memory, raypnelikoneet. Ah shoot, I spelled your name incorrectly
My sincerest apologies....
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On September 29 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
btw truffle nope ^^ i only skimmed it cause yawn lol you can keep your shitty vote Hm, I kind of actually think you are mafia now.....
But I can't decide if I should push or wait.....
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On September 29 2015 07:30 sicklucker wrote:
My bad town read is trfel because hes making a god awful vote 10 minutes into day 1 that alone will never last 48 hours in 1000 years And why won't it last?
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Damdred, why wasn't being town one of the requirements for being your buddy?
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On September 29 2015 07:33 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 07:30 sicklucker wrote:
My bad town read is trfel because hes making a god awful vote 10 minutes into day 1 that alone will never last 48 hours in 1000 years And why won't it last? because i dont even understand it and the day is only 1% over. you will find something else I never understood why people vote 1 minute into a game and then change it 19 times Do you have a read on rsoultin?
On September 29 2015 07:35 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 07:33 Trfel wrote:
Damdred, why wasn't being town one of the requirements for being your buddy? What kind of answer were you expecting when you asked this? No clue, but I was hoping that it would be useful.
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On September 29 2015 07:39 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 07:37 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 07:33 sicklucker wrote:On September 29 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 07:30 sicklucker wrote:
My bad town read is trfel because hes making a god awful vote 10 minutes into day 1 that alone will never last 48 hours in 1000 years And why won't it last? because i dont even understand it and the day is only 1% over. you will find something else I never understood why people vote 1 minute into a game and then change it 19 times Do you have a read on rsoultin? On September 29 2015 07:35 GlowingBear wrote:On September 29 2015 07:33 Trfel wrote:
Damdred, why wasn't being town one of the requirements for being your buddy? What kind of answer were you expecting when you asked this? No clue, but I was hoping that it would be useful. Ok so what do you make out of his answer? Nothing
I'll reread it later, but yeah. I suppose it probably wasn't even worth a try XD
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On September 29 2015 07:47 GlowingBear wrote:
Truffle, what do you make of the informstion already displayed in thread? Town lean on you (GlowingBear)
Sort of town lean on LightningStrike
Sort of town lean on raynpelikoneet
Sort of mafia lean on rsoultin
I haven't been paying much attention, though. Going to go get dinner now, I'll actually read the thread sometime tonight....
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On September 29 2015 08:06 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 07:53 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 07:47 GlowingBear wrote:
Truffle, what do you make of the informstion already displayed in thread? Town lean on you (GlowingBear) Sort of town lean on LightningStrike Sort of town lean on raynpelikoneet Sort of mafia lean on rsoultin I haven't been paying much attention, though. Going to go get dinner now, I'll actually read the thread sometime tonight.... whats your reason for town reading rayn. Im just curious because I think I know why that moron scum read me and it might make him ok Not really sure. Largely because of his townread on GlowingBear and trying to catch rsoultin early on. The reasons are bad, but I kind of like the read anyway for some reason?
But I might actually have to retract my townread on GlowingBear, I noticed something I really didn't like (it happened after raynpelikoneet went to bed though, I think). I need to reread it.
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I don't really think that mafia!GlowingBear would push something this bad.
Glad that I don't have to read his filter now
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On September 29 2015 08:22 J Roc wrote:
J Roc is here
Nowatimsayin
Rayn and SL hardcore bussing each other to start the game, both think it is funny to claim mafia when they are actually mafia.
Trfel why do you have a town read on Rayn?
\On September 29 2015 08:18 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 08:06 sicklucker wrote:On September 29 2015 07:53 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 07:47 GlowingBear wrote:
Truffle, what do you make of the informstion already displayed in thread? Town lean on you (GlowingBear) Sort of town lean on LightningStrike Sort of town lean on raynpelikoneet Sort of mafia lean on rsoultin I haven't been paying much attention, though. Going to go get dinner now, I'll actually read the thread sometime tonight.... whats your reason for town reading rayn. Im just curious because I think I know why that moron scum read me and it might make him ok Not really sure. Largely because of his townread on GlowingBear and trying to catch rsoultin early on. The reasons are bad, but I kind of like the read anyway for some reason?But I might actually have to retract my townread on GlowingBear, I noticed something I really didn't like (it happened after raynpelikoneet went to bed though, I think). I need to reread it. .......
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On September 29 2015 08:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 08:27 J Roc wrote:
I may or may not be a smurf
Nowatimsayin Either way that means your a veteran. In that case, you should know rayn never buses his partners unless necessary. Strike against you sir. Lol?
Read this game.
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MoosyDoosy, you consider raynpelikoneet's posts towards sicklucker so far to be a hard push?
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So basically, I asked a question to Damdred. And Damdred answered.
Then GlowingBear was asking me why I asked the question to Damdred, and if I got anything from his answer.
Then GlowingBear talked about all the things he got from Damdred's answer.
Does this seem strange to anyone else?
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Damdred, are you staying up late tonight?
I need someone to talk to when I actually read the game properly....
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On September 29 2015 08:58 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 08:57 Trfel wrote:
Damdred, are you staying up late tonight?
I need someone to talk to when I actually read the game properly.... you can talk to me :/ if you still think i'm mafia, you're kind of awful, tbh But you didn't answer my question earlier, so I don't want to talk to you.....
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On September 29 2015 09:01 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 08:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 29 2015 08:56 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 08:56 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 29 2015 08:54 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 08:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 29 2015 08:52 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 08:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 29 2015 08:50 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 08:18 Damdred wrote:
Ls truffel and mooseybim really confident in being town. Moosey probably the weakest of those three.
You are being terrible tbh terrible or scummy? terrible implies town and awesome i'm definitely awesome terrible in a scummy way. what time is it over there btw? howso? and about 7ish mmm...I don't see typical rsoul bubbliness or willingness to question things. Basically no indication you're looking into stuff. lol silence mortal! you do not see with the eyes of the enlightened! mmm...what makes you think Trfel is town so far? amazingness and wizardry namely, the post he thinks he caught me with lol apparently assuming that i don't know what he's doing and would react like some sort of ignorant buffoon who has never seen his play before ^^ I don't understand what you're saying here at all...
I'm going to reread the thread now. This is getting unbearable.
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On September 29 2015 09:08 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 09:05 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 09:01 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 08:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 29 2015 08:56 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 08:56 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 29 2015 08:54 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 08:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 29 2015 08:52 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 08:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:[quote] You are being terrible tbh terrible or scummy? terrible implies town and awesome i'm definitely awesome terrible in a scummy way. what time is it over there btw? howso? and about 7ish mmm...I don't see typical rsoul bubbliness or willingness to question things. Basically no indication you're looking into stuff. lol silence mortal! you do not see with the eyes of the enlightened! mmm...what makes you think Trfel is town so far? amazingness and wizardry namely, the post he thinks he caught me with lol apparently assuming that i don't know what he's doing and would react like some sort of ignorant buffoon who has never seen his play before ^^ I don't understand what you're saying here at all... I'm going to reread the thread now. This is getting unbearable. then let me make this simple for you you often lead (when you have the time) with a post that you think makes you look scummy...in part because of GB's coaching (thus the reference to acolyte) i posted  while waiting to see if anyone would take the bait, you're right. but your little theory falls apart because you assume that i'd for some god-awful reason not link this to the other myriad times you did it and at worst null read you for it -flicks- now go be productive and actually find scum I expected you to largely ignore my opening few posts? (unless you cared to discuss musical taste)
My read on you is based on entirely different reasons? I actually had no clue you posed a ....
And MoosyDoosy, I haven't started my reread yet. I'm slow
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On September 29 2015 09:12 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 09:11 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 09:08 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 09:05 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 09:01 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 08:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 29 2015 08:56 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 08:56 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 29 2015 08:54 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 08:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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terrible in a scummy way. what time is it over there btw? howso? and about 7ish mmm...I don't see typical rsoul bubbliness or willingness to question things. Basically no indication you're looking into stuff. lol silence mortal! you do not see with the eyes of the enlightened! mmm...what makes you think Trfel is town so far? amazingness and wizardry namely, the post he thinks he caught me with lol apparently assuming that i don't know what he's doing and would react like some sort of ignorant buffoon who has never seen his play before ^^ I don't understand what you're saying here at all... I'm going to reread the thread now. This is getting unbearable. then let me make this simple for you you often lead (when you have the time) with a post that you think makes you look scummy...in part because of GB's coaching (thus the reference to acolyte) i posted while waiting to see if anyone would take the bait, you're right. but your little theory falls apart because you assume that i'd for some god-awful reason not link this to the other myriad times you did it and at worst null read you for it -flicks- now go be productive and actually find scum I expected you to largely ignore my opening few posts? (unless you cared to discuss musical taste) My read on you is based on entirely different reasons? I actually had no clue you posed a .... And MoosyDoosy, I haven't started my reread yet. I'm slow I'm asking for initial thoughts on your first read. Just as a basis for how your reads shift post-reread. So just list people who you are going to look specifically at during your re-read. Read my filter, I've posted basically all of my thoughts (even if it's not really explained). I'm going to be specifically looking at everyone who has posted, with the possible exception of sicklucker.
Hope that helps you!
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On September 29 2015 09:20 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 09:18 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 09:12 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 29 2015 09:11 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 09:08 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 09:05 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 09:01 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 08:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 29 2015 08:56 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 08:56 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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mmm...I don't see typical rsoul bubbliness or willingness to question things. Basically no indication you're looking into stuff. lol silence mortal! you do not see with the eyes of the enlightened! mmm...what makes you think Trfel is town so far? amazingness and wizardry namely, the post he thinks he caught me with lol apparently assuming that i don't know what he's doing and would react like some sort of ignorant buffoon who has never seen his play before ^^ I don't understand what you're saying here at all... I'm going to reread the thread now. This is getting unbearable. then let me make this simple for you you often lead (when you have the time) with a post that you think makes you look scummy...in part because of GB's coaching (thus the reference to acolyte) i posted while waiting to see if anyone would take the bait, you're right. but your little theory falls apart because you assume that i'd for some god-awful reason not link this to the other myriad times you did it and at worst null read you for it -flicks- now go be productive and actually find scum I expected you to largely ignore my opening few posts? (unless you cared to discuss musical taste) My read on you is based on entirely different reasons? I actually had no clue you posed a .... And MoosyDoosy, I haven't started my reread yet. I'm slow I'm asking for initial thoughts on your first read. Just as a basis for how your reads shift post-reread. So just list people who you are going to look specifically at during your re-read. Read my filter, I've posted basically all of my thoughts (even if it's not really explained). I'm going to be specifically looking at everyone who has posted, with the possible exception of sicklucker. Hope that helps you! nope explain your scumread on me ^^ play time is over I have no clue what you're talking about, and you have no clue what I'm talking about.
If you'd like me to post it now, I can do so. But I worry that I'm misreading the entire thread and thus posting (or rather attempting to post) an actual read would just derail the thread.
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Basically my argument against rsoultin kind of doesn't work. I assumed that rsoultin had a certain reason for doing stuff and had a certain interpretation of why I was asking what I asked, but I was wrong.
So basically I dunno.
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On September 29 2015 09:33 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 07:12 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:
O hai!
I'm town truffle took your position. next phase oh is this the post you didn't get, truffle? all i was saying was that you had already posted the "post to get reactions/discussion started" post, and that gb could move on to something more productive i don't know why i always assume these things are blindingly obvious lol >< OH YEAH that was my argument!
Thank you for reminding me!
Never mind, it's still somewhat valid.
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On September 29 2015 09:33 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 07:12 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:
O hai!
I'm town truffle took your position. next phase oh is this the post you didn't get, truffle? all i was saying was that you had already posted the "post to get reactions/discussion started" post, and that gb could move on to something more productive i don't know why i always assume these things are blindingly obvious lol >< Basically, GlowingBear made this one post purely to generate discussion. His other posts before this post that you made were serious posts.
The post you quoted, the "I'm town" post, does nothing to promote discussion at all. My opening posts also didn't end up creating any discussion.
Basically, your post claims that my opening posts actually had a purpose and created discussion, and GlowingBear was actually succeeding at making provocative posts. Both claims I disagree with.
Hm, but now that I think about it I don't think that this is a good argument
Wow, I'm really bad at this.
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On September 29 2015 09:45 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 09:44 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 09:33 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 07:12 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:
O hai!
I'm town truffle took your position. next phase oh is this the post you didn't get, truffle? all i was saying was that you had already posted the "post to get reactions/discussion started" post, and that gb could move on to something more productive i don't know why i always assume these things are blindingly obvious lol >< Basically, GlowingBear made this one post purely to generate discussion. His other posts before this post that you made were serious posts. The post you quoted, the "I'm town" post, does nothing to promote discussion at all. My opening posts also didn't end up creating any discussion. Basically, your post claims that my opening posts actually had a purpose and created discussion, and GlowingBear was actually succeeding at making provocative posts. Both claims I disagree with. Hm, but now that I think about it I don't think that this is a good argument Wow, I'm really bad at this. given i was speaking to the intention of the posts and not the result... DING DING DING It's okay, you're mafia anyway XD
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Rsoultin, why do you think that I am town?
I don't understand that read at all XD
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Rsoultin, can I have some advice?
I could read the thread tonight and almost certainly avoid being lynched.
Or I could go watch a movie with friends, which would be far more relaxing, but could very well end with me being lynched.
Or I could try to catch up on my studies, where I'm quite far behind (especially for only being a few weeks into the semester, I know I'm quite talented).
I don't know what to do I kinda just want to sleep early and forget about all of it...
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Can someone tell me why people want to lynch me?
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Also wait, what the heck happened to JRoc?
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On September 30 2015 09:56 Trfel wrote:
Also wait, what the heck happened to JRoc? EBWOP: Never mind, got it.
Hi, scott31337.
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You guys are making my head hurt.
I'm just going to pretend that there isn't a game happening and read the thread at my own leisure.
See you eventually.
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On September 29 2015 07:37 sicklucker wrote:
Ls taking my scum claim at face value is cute and suggests hes town. I forgot he didnt have a sarcasm detector. I could maybe agree, but he didn't vote.... Is this normal behavior from town!LightningStrike, to think that someone claimed scum and then not vote for them?
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On September 30 2015 10:34 coolTLname wrote:it's true Trfel isn't really playing , but he posted at the beginning he was really busy with "Basically, I'm going to be spending all of my time composing music, so I won't really be able to play this game. Sorry about that, because I know I'm the only reason that you all signed up" So yeah, i dunno what to think about that tbh. LOLOLOLOLOL XD
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On September 30 2015 10:46 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2015 10:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 30 2015 10:42 coolTLname wrote:
Oh i just mean accusing , not bussing hm... Gonna call this a newbie slip for now. coolTL, what is your current read on marv? You made a post that I mentioned earlier and i'm wondering if you did what you implied you were going to do. Please clarify what you mean by this?
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On September 30 2015 10:50 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2015 10:47 Trfel wrote:On September 30 2015 10:46 The Shining wrote:On September 30 2015 10:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 30 2015 10:42 coolTLname wrote:
Oh i just mean accusing , not bussing hm... Gonna call this a newbie slip for now. coolTL, what is your current read on marv? You made a post that I mentioned earlier and i'm wondering if you did what you implied you were going to do. Please clarify what you mean by this? I mean that there have been discussions this game on whether coolTL was a smurf or a newbie. I didn't see where it was definitively decided that he was a smurf(actually iirc LS and someone else said he was newbie in Student V, which I also played in) so I'm giving him benefit of the doubt for saying bussing when he meant accusing. But if it gets revealed that he is indeed a smurf some way or another, then this is something to revisit. Okay, that actually makes sense.
He's almost guaranteed to be a newbie though, seeing as he PMd Damdred in the Student game (leading to his modkill)? I can't possibly see a smurf doing that.
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On September 29 2015 10:48 sicklucker wrote:
As of now i would vote j roc that opening was so bad as he missed two points in the thread in his very small opening.
Not reading the thread = mafia. I should know I role mafa alot Does anyone else want to lynch sicklucker?
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Wait, right as I'm getting quite suspicious of sicklucker, Damdred and rsoultin say they don't want to lynch him.
Someone please explain, because I really don't see it. Everything I see from sicklucker is screaming mafia (page 29).
Is there some meta thing I'm not familiar with? I haven't played with sicklucker in quite some time, I don't remember playing seriously with him as mafia since Linux.
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On September 30 2015 11:09 rsoultin wrote:
eeeehhhh something's off...has marv been pushing anything worth pushing, damdy? i know you think he's lock town, but i don't think he's ever done anything as asinine as park a vote on me with the mandate "make a post you can only make as town"...it's not a scumread at all and i have one of the most difficult playstyles to nail down, if people's difficulty in catching my scumplay is any indication I might be willing to lynch marvellosity...... Maybe? Ish?
But I'd really rather someone talk to me about sicklucker
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On September 30 2015 11:11 coolTLname wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2015 11:08 sicklucker wrote:
Why the hell would you want to lynch me. better question is why the hell not? No, that's a bad way to think about things.
If you don't have reasons to lynch someone, don't lynch them. If you don't have any reasons to lynch anyone, look harder.
Do you have any reasons to lynch sicklucker?
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On September 30 2015 11:12 rsoultin wrote:
pues, sl's reads have been very sl-centric
i generally attribute that to town...plus he was picking up on some interesting details even if they were oriented to him, in GB and in J Roc I wouldn't attribute self-centered reads to town, I'd attribute them mostly to someone trying to play the game without enough time to really know what's going on? Which you've probably never experienced
Basically, I think that self-focused reads arise when you don't really remember everything in the thread that well, but because you know what you did very well, it's easiest to comment on all the things relating to you. This feels like a mafia behavior as well?
I can't possibly imagine that sicklucker can scumread J Roc here for errors in reading, of all things, (it's sicklucker, after all), especially after a plausible alternative explanation was provided.
Furthermore, his appeal to emotion and over-defensiveness seems very out of place, and I remember him doing these things in Guardians of the Galaxy as mafia (which were rather effective to me at the time).
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I caught MoosyDoosy in a lie in his sprained ankle post.
He says he played QB, however he also said that he sprained his ankle while trying to catch the ball. QB doesn't catch the ball.
MoosyDoosy is mafia.
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On September 30 2015 11:24 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2015 11:22 Trfel wrote:
I caught MoosyDoosy in a lie in his sprained ankle post.
He says he played QB, however he also said that he sprained his ankle while trying to catch the ball. QB doesn't catch the ball.
MoosyDoosy is mafia. Not necessarily true on some trick plays qbs will go to the we position or hand off to the rb and spring out and catch a pass. You are scum for lying Shhhhh...
Fu Damdred
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On September 29 2015 17:32 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 07:21 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:On September 29 2015 07:19 Damdred wrote:
Ok I have a couple terrible town reads Is this going to be the theme for early Day 1? This just going to a shitfest..... If you don't like the direction that the thread is going in, shouldn't you do something about it instead of just commenting? OK this post is terrible for two reasons: - it's 20 minutes into the game - LS WAS the only person trying to do serious stuff at the time Here are several posts LS made pushing the game forward before this "LS if you want a serious game do something about it" Trfel post: Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 07:02 LightningStrike wrote:On September 29 2015 07:00 Trfel wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Welcome to the Wonderful World of Trfel!
(musical version) As some of you may know, I really appreciate instrumental music. As with most things, my knowledge of classical music is very limited (I only know a few of the major symphonies, for example), but that doesn't stop me from enjoying music. My tastes in music are fairly strange and specific, which I suppose comes partly from my musical background. I have no real music theory education, but I have been playing trumpet for a while, throughout grade school and continuing in college. I like to think that I'm quite good at it, but unfortunately musical instruments are very challenging for most people and it would take me far more effort than I feel comfortable giving to get my trumpet playing to the next level. So I'm stuck playing in one of the boring bands at the university, which just has a bunch of people who feel like playing their instrument once in a while but aren't terribly good at it. And I've found myself really losing my appreciation for playing and practicing trumpet, which is very sad because I've spent so much time working on my trumpet playing over the past five years or so, but I'm not sure if there is anything that I can do about it. But I still enjoy music a ton. Not just listening to it, but being a part of it. So I'm trying to learn how to compose music. It's quite difficult because I have no formal theory training (just whatever I've picked up over my years with trumpet and coming from a fairly musical family), and my piano playing skills are next to zero (and piano playing is basically how everyone composes music). So it will definitely be a difficult learning period, but I hope that I can push through it. I have a keyboard in my room now, full 88 keys. I've tried to play it several times, but I'm so bad that it's painful to listen to myself. If anyone has any tips for starting on the piano, I'm very interested XD But the piano has proved useful for testing new chords and progressions for my songs. I don't have much yet, and the progress is slow, but I'm hoping that I can figure out how to compose proper music. I generally enjoy music with heavier usage of brass instruments (I do play trumpet, after all). John Williams has done some incredible things with brass in many of his famous movie scores and other compositions. In particular, his french horn usage is amazing. I also found an old CD of some Miklos Rosza film music, and that's been really enjoyable as well. The style of music used in film scores seems very fun to compose, play, and listen to, as there is much more freedom in the music itself (though modern movies tend to utilize the musical score more for background only, and don't use a recurring melody that brings the music directly to people's attention, which I find a bit lacking). Despite having basically no idea what I'm doing, I'm very excited about the possibilities and hope to create some good songs. One great band piece to end the post (or at least, I think it's a great band piece ): TLDR please? Also guys I'm town this game let's get some scum lynched! Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 07:07 LightningStrike wrote:On September 29 2015 07:07 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 07:03 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 07:02 LightningStrike wrote:On September 29 2015 07:00 Trfel wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Welcome to the Wonderful World of Trfel!
(musical version) As some of you may know, I really appreciate instrumental music. As with most things, my knowledge of classical music is very limited (I only know a few of the major symphonies, for example), but that doesn't stop me from enjoying music. My tastes in music are fairly strange and specific, which I suppose comes partly from my musical background. I have no real music theory education, but I have been playing trumpet for a while, throughout grade school and continuing in college. I like to think that I'm quite good at it, but unfortunately musical instruments are very challenging for most people and it would take me far more effort than I feel comfortable giving to get my trumpet playing to the next level. So I'm stuck playing in one of the boring bands at the university, which just has a bunch of people who feel like playing their instrument once in a while but aren't terribly good at it. And I've found myself really losing my appreciation for playing and practicing trumpet, which is very sad because I've spent so much time working on my trumpet playing over the past five years or so, but I'm not sure if there is anything that I can do about it. But I still enjoy music a ton. Not just listening to it, but being a part of it. So I'm trying to learn how to compose music. It's quite difficult because I have no formal theory training (just whatever I've picked up over my years with trumpet and coming from a fairly musical family), and my piano playing skills are next to zero (and piano playing is basically how everyone composes music). So it will definitely be a difficult learning period, but I hope that I can push through it. I have a keyboard in my room now, full 88 keys. I've tried to play it several times, but I'm so bad that it's painful to listen to myself. If anyone has any tips for starting on the piano, I'm very interested XD But the piano has proved useful for testing new chords and progressions for my songs. I don't have much yet, and the progress is slow, but I'm hoping that I can figure out how to compose proper music. I generally enjoy music with heavier usage of brass instruments (I do play trumpet, after all). John Williams has done some incredible things with brass in many of his famous movie scores and other compositions. In particular, his french horn usage is amazing. I also found an old CD of some Miklos Rosza film music, and that's been really enjoyable as well. The style of music used in film scores seems very fun to compose, play, and listen to, as there is much more freedom in the music itself (though modern movies tend to utilize the musical score more for background only, and don't use a recurring melody that brings the music directly to people's attention, which I find a bit lacking). Despite having basically no idea what I'm doing, I'm very excited about the possibilities and hope to create some good songs. One great band piece to end the post (or at least, I think it's a great band piece ): TLDR please? Also guys I'm town this game let's get some scum lynched! TLDR: yada yada music yada not posting cause music yada yada Anyway, this post is extremely scummy. Rsoultin is clearly mafia. Why does she not take a stance? She's just fanning the flames and waiting to see where everyone comes down instead of actually leading the thread. ##vote rsoultin Policy lynching her already? Oh please I thought that post was funny from her lol. Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 07:10 LightningStrike wrote:On September 29 2015 07:09 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 07:07 Damdred wrote:
Damdred is looking for a professional sexy person to welcome into his loving towny arms. All applicants will be screened please apply below.
Requirements:
A good person to team up with
Has to not doubt my alignment once n1 hits or on weekends when I'm busy
Must not ignore my posts or talk over me
must have a good voice
and be funny
and like walks
Please apply for my townfriend :/ if you're town i would have thought this position was already filled you wound me deep, damdy deep Are you implying Damdred could be mafia for that? Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 07:12 LightningStrike wrote:On September 29 2015 07:11 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 07:10 LightningStrike wrote:On September 29 2015 07:09 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 07:07 Damdred wrote:
Damdred is looking for a professional sexy person to welcome into his loving towny arms. All applicants will be screened please apply below.
Requirements:
A good person to team up with
Has to not doubt my alignment once n1 hits or on weekends when I'm busy
Must not ignore my posts or talk over me
must have a good voice
and be funny
and like walks
Please apply for my townfriend :/ if you're town i would have thought this position was already filled you wound me deep, damdy deep Are you implying Damdred could be mafia for that? nope Then what were you implying there? Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:On September 29 2015 07:19 Damdred wrote:
Ok I have a couple terrible town reads Is this going to be the theme for early Day 1? This just going to a shitfest..... So Trfel, show me how you could have thought LS didn't "do something about it instead of just commenting" Wait, is this the case on me that people liked?
This??!?!!?!?
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On September 29 2015 17:42 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 07:28 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
btw truffle nope ^^ i only skimmed it cause yawn lol you can keep your shitty vote Hm, I kind of actually think you are mafia now..... But I can't decide if I should push or wait..... @Trfel is this a serious post if it is I find super weird the fact that most posts before and after this one are funny posts OK after I finish catching up I'll do a Trfel's filter dive to check if my feeling is right. But I definitely have the feeling there is a contradiction in tone progression in Trfel's posts, something like funny => one serious => funny => one serious => funny If you think that me alternating between being serious or funny is a sign that I am mafia, then I have no more words for you. To be honest, depending on how that's applied, it's probably the easiest way to read me.
Since apparently I wasn't clear:
I started out by voting rsoultin as a joke. Then I started being a bit suspicious of rsoultin, but not enough that I wanted to actually push it (at least until I reread things). Before I was able to reread things, rsoultin made some posts that were contrary to the assumptions I had made for some of my suspicions of her, and then I realized a few flaws in my suspicions. So I wasn't very suspicious of her any more).
Clear enough?
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On September 29 2015 17:55 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 07:53 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 07:47 GlowingBear wrote:
Truffle, what do you make of the informstion already displayed in thread? Town lean on you (GlowingBear) Sort of town lean on LightningStrike Sort of town lean on raynpelikoneet Sort of mafia lean on rsoultin I haven't been paying much attention, though. Going to go get dinner now, I'll actually read the thread sometime tonight.... WTF another unexplained read The only thing rayn did was scumread SL and townread GB How can you townread rayn at this point if you have no opinion on SL and GB ? I don't like scumreading people for being bad....
But read aside, this post is simply bad. Very bad. And Rels is good. Very good.
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On September 30 2015 11:39 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2015 11:27 rsoultin wrote:On September 30 2015 11:09 LightningStrike wrote:
##Vote: Tfrel ??? Did you not read the fact I like the case on Tfrel? Please direct me to this incredibly amazingly wonderful case on me?
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On September 30 2015 11:42 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2015 11:41 Trfel wrote:On September 30 2015 11:39 LightningStrike wrote:On September 30 2015 11:27 rsoultin wrote:On September 30 2015 11:09 LightningStrike wrote:
##Vote: Tfrel ??? Did you not read the fact I like the case on Tfrel? Please direct me to this incredibly amazingly wonderful case on me? Rels case plus what others had said about you. Then I'm assuming you are referring to the one I quoted earlier.
That case is absolute garbage. The claim that Rels makes is that LightningStrike's posts to that point actively pushed the game forward. The thing is, pushing the game forward early in the game can be rather difficult to do, and most people can't do it (even when they try). I know that I can't do it, but I'll keep trying anyway, largely because it's fun.
LightningStrike's posts didn't drive the game forward. Of the posts that Rels quoted that he claims show that LightningStrike pushed the game forward, the following posts do nothing of the sort:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 29 2015 07:02 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 07:00 Trfel wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Welcome to the Wonderful World of Trfel!
(musical version) As some of you may know, I really appreciate instrumental music. As with most things, my knowledge of classical music is very limited (I only know a few of the major symphonies, for example), but that doesn't stop me from enjoying music. My tastes in music are fairly strange and specific, which I suppose comes partly from my musical background. I have no real music theory education, but I have been playing trumpet for a while, throughout grade school and continuing in college. I like to think that I'm quite good at it, but unfortunately musical instruments are very challenging for most people and it would take me far more effort than I feel comfortable giving to get my trumpet playing to the next level. So I'm stuck playing in one of the boring bands at the university, which just has a bunch of people who feel like playing their instrument once in a while but aren't terribly good at it. And I've found myself really losing my appreciation for playing and practicing trumpet, which is very sad because I've spent so much time working on my trumpet playing over the past five years or so, but I'm not sure if there is anything that I can do about it. But I still enjoy music a ton. Not just listening to it, but being a part of it. So I'm trying to learn how to compose music. It's quite difficult because I have no formal theory training (just whatever I've picked up over my years with trumpet and coming from a fairly musical family), and my piano playing skills are next to zero (and piano playing is basically how everyone composes music). So it will definitely be a difficult learning period, but I hope that I can push through it. I have a keyboard in my room now, full 88 keys. I've tried to play it several times, but I'm so bad that it's painful to listen to myself. If anyone has any tips for starting on the piano, I'm very interested XD But the piano has proved useful for testing new chords and progressions for my songs. I don't have much yet, and the progress is slow, but I'm hoping that I can figure out how to compose proper music. I generally enjoy music with heavier usage of brass instruments (I do play trumpet, after all). John Williams has done some incredible things with brass in many of his famous movie scores and other compositions. In particular, his french horn usage is amazing. I also found an old CD of some Miklos Rosza film music, and that's been really enjoyable as well. The style of music used in film scores seems very fun to compose, play, and listen to, as there is much more freedom in the music itself (though modern movies tend to utilize the musical score more for background only, and don't use a recurring melody that brings the music directly to people's attention, which I find a bit lacking). Despite having basically no idea what I'm doing, I'm very excited about the possibilities and hope to create some good songs. One great band piece to end the post (or at least, I think it's a great band piece ): TLDR please? Also guys I'm town this game let's get some scum lynched! Asking for TLDR does not drive the game forward. Saying you are town does not drive the game forward. Saying you want to lynch scum does not drive the game forward. On September 29 2015 07:07 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 07:07 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 07:03 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 07:02 LightningStrike wrote:On September 29 2015 07:00 Trfel wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Welcome to the Wonderful World of Trfel!
(musical version) As some of you may know, I really appreciate instrumental music. As with most things, my knowledge of classical music is very limited (I only know a few of the major symphonies, for example), but that doesn't stop me from enjoying music. My tastes in music are fairly strange and specific, which I suppose comes partly from my musical background. I have no real music theory education, but I have been playing trumpet for a while, throughout grade school and continuing in college. I like to think that I'm quite good at it, but unfortunately musical instruments are very challenging for most people and it would take me far more effort than I feel comfortable giving to get my trumpet playing to the next level. So I'm stuck playing in one of the boring bands at the university, which just has a bunch of people who feel like playing their instrument once in a while but aren't terribly good at it. And I've found myself really losing my appreciation for playing and practicing trumpet, which is very sad because I've spent so much time working on my trumpet playing over the past five years or so, but I'm not sure if there is anything that I can do about it. But I still enjoy music a ton. Not just listening to it, but being a part of it. So I'm trying to learn how to compose music. It's quite difficult because I have no formal theory training (just whatever I've picked up over my years with trumpet and coming from a fairly musical family), and my piano playing skills are next to zero (and piano playing is basically how everyone composes music). So it will definitely be a difficult learning period, but I hope that I can push through it. I have a keyboard in my room now, full 88 keys. I've tried to play it several times, but I'm so bad that it's painful to listen to myself. If anyone has any tips for starting on the piano, I'm very interested XD But the piano has proved useful for testing new chords and progressions for my songs. I don't have much yet, and the progress is slow, but I'm hoping that I can figure out how to compose proper music. I generally enjoy music with heavier usage of brass instruments (I do play trumpet, after all). John Williams has done some incredible things with brass in many of his famous movie scores and other compositions. In particular, his french horn usage is amazing. I also found an old CD of some Miklos Rosza film music, and that's been really enjoyable as well. The style of music used in film scores seems very fun to compose, play, and listen to, as there is much more freedom in the music itself (though modern movies tend to utilize the musical score more for background only, and don't use a recurring melody that brings the music directly to people's attention, which I find a bit lacking). Despite having basically no idea what I'm doing, I'm very excited about the possibilities and hope to create some good songs. One great band piece to end the post (or at least, I think it's a great band piece ): TLDR please? Also guys I'm town this game let's get some scum lynched! TLDR: yada yada music yada not posting cause music yada yada Anyway, this post is extremely scummy. Rsoultin is clearly mafia. Why does she not take a stance? She's just fanning the flames and waiting to see where everyone comes down instead of actually leading the thread. ##vote rsoultin Policy lynching her already? Oh please I thought that post was funny from her lol. Basically saying "Policy lynching rsoultin is bad". But he's not actually saying anything about my (Trfel's) alignment here, or anything about rsoultin (other than not wanting to policy lynch her at this time). On September 29 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 07:19 Damdred wrote:
Ok I have a couple terrible town reads Is this going to be the theme for early Day 1? This just going to a shitfest..... He doesn't say anything about Damdred's alignment at all. He just comments. What these posts have in common is that they don't drive the thread forward or contribute towards any reads. They're just commenting without taking a stance. CLARIFICATION: I do NOT think that these posts are scummy or bad. While they don't drive the thread forward, they don't hurt town at all. In fact, LightningStrike's early posting suggests that he is town, so that is useful. But that doesn't change the fact that Rels' claim is simply wrong.
The other two posts that Rels quoted are where LightningStrike asks a question about rsoultin's stance on Damdred:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 29 2015 07:10 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 07:09 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 07:07 Damdred wrote:
Damdred is looking for a professional sexy person to welcome into his loving towny arms. All applicants will be screened please apply below.
Requirements:
A good person to team up with
Has to not doubt my alignment once n1 hits or on weekends when I'm busy
Must not ignore my posts or talk over me
must have a good voice
and be funny
and like walks
Please apply for my townfriend :/ if you're town i would have thought this position was already filled you wound me deep, damdy deep Are you implying Damdred could be mafia for that? On September 29 2015 07:12 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 07:11 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 07:10 LightningStrike wrote:On September 29 2015 07:09 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 07:07 Damdred wrote:
Damdred is looking for a professional sexy person to welcome into his loving towny arms. All applicants will be screened please apply below.
Requirements:
A good person to team up with
Has to not doubt my alignment once n1 hits or on weekends when I'm busy
Must not ignore my posts or talk over me
must have a good voice
and be funny
and like walks
Please apply for my townfriend :/ if you're town i would have thought this position was already filled you wound me deep, damdy deep Are you implying Damdred could be mafia for that? nope Then what were you implying there? Which I suppose can maybe be seen as driving the thread forward, but not very strongly. It's essentially just a question for clarification.
On September 29 2015 07:21 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:On September 29 2015 07:19 Damdred wrote:
Ok I have a couple terrible town reads Is this going to be the theme for early Day 1? This just going to a shitfest..... If you don't like the direction that the thread is going in, shouldn't you do something about it instead of just commenting? This post. This is NOT a scumread. I was trying to tell LightningStrike that if he wants the thread to be a certain way, and to have a certain direction/atmosphere, then he should try to create that atmosphere. He could produce some reads with actual explanations, for example. Note that at this point, LightningStrike had actually made zero reads. This isn't driving the thread forward. Again, LightningStrike's posting wasn't bad by any means, I was trying to encourage him to do more (in the primary definition of the word, the positive one).
Basically, Rels' case has no grounds whatsoever, and completely misinterprets LightningStrike's early posts and my post towards him. I am not sure if it makes him mafia or not, but I really don't like it.
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On September 29 2015 18:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 18:14 Rels wrote:On September 29 2015 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 29 2015 08:22 J Roc wrote:
J Roc is here
Nowatimsayin
Rayn and SL hardcore bussing each other to start the game, both think it is funny to claim mafia when they are actually mafia.
Trfel why do you have a town read on Rayn? On September 29 2015 08:30 J Roc wrote:On September 29 2015 08:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 29 2015 08:27 J Roc wrote:
I may or may not be a smurf
Nowatimsayin Either way that means your a veteran. In that case, you should know rayn never buses his partners unless necessary. Strike against you sir. This isn't true, Rayn will bus. no marv. you literally know all this here is 100% bullshit, and considering this guy is a smurf you should be extremely concerned about what he says here. and you are not. rayn you don't bus as mafia ?? never unnecessarily. which this would 100% be if i was mafia with sl. So you consider your early few posts on sicklucker to be a strong push?
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On September 29 2015 20:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 09:52 J Roc wrote:
Alright goodnight, I am one of the few people on the site who can read Rsoultin. Town lean on her for now. rsoultin who is this guy? What comes to my mind is: jat yamato hf if this is any of those three people he is 100% scum. See this is what I don't understand about raynpelikoneet...
He knows that justanothertownie is of the opinion that raynpelikoneet's bus in XXX Mafia was unnecessary. Right or wrong (I didn't read the game), there is debate over it, and justanothertownie is clearly opposed to raynpelikoneet.
So if it is justanothertownie, and he is town, it's natural for him to have this same view?
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On September 30 2015 12:21 sicklucker wrote:
As for trefl I feel like he was trying to deflect on me when I entered the thread after ignoring me early so I dont think hes a bad lynch. Feel like hes trying to get a lynch on me no now that hes under presure. If thats true your a fool. but trefl is a strong town player i think scotts a better lynch So I'm scum for being suspicious of you now, and not earlier, for posts that you made after I left, and only saw in the past two hours or so?
And then you insult my play, and then call me a strong town player? You can't have it both ways.
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On September 29 2015 20:47 rsoultin wrote:
also marv should remove his vote from me -beats marv with a wet noodle-
i'd say truffle should, too, but i can't tell if he's just trying to mess with me or not. he'd do that -_- he thinks it's cute It is cute!
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It definitely wouldn't be solid.
BUT IT WOULD BE FUN!!!!!
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On September 29 2015 21:33 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 21:23 Rels wrote:
do you agree your posts were mechanical ? Nope because they aren't at all. I post whatever comes to my mind LS, I don't see anything from damdred's and Marv interaction. Just a fight between egos. Yeah. That's it. Wait, I thought that Damdred's behavior in his argument with marvellosity was one of the main reasons that GlowingBear was scumreading Damdred?
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Someone please talk to me about sicklucker...
On September 30 2015 12:36 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2015 12:24 Trfel wrote:On September 30 2015 12:21 sicklucker wrote:
As for trefl I feel like he was trying to deflect on me when I entered the thread after ignoring me early so I dont think hes a bad lynch. Feel like hes trying to get a lynch on me no now that hes under presure. If thats true your a fool. but trefl is a strong town player i think scotts a better lynch So I'm scum for being suspicious of you now, and not earlier, for posts that you made after I left, and only saw in the past two hours or so? And then you insult my play, and then call me a strong town player? You can't have it both ways. i also complimented you! well yesterday you ignored me it was only after you had 4 votes on you that you seemed interested in anything I had to say or have said. This feels sort of apologetic, almost a little scared of me? Sicklucker should never be scared of me, ever...
On September 30 2015 12:41 sicklucker wrote:Dear trefel dont try to spin this Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 09:18 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 09:12 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 29 2015 09:11 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 09:08 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 09:05 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 09:01 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 08:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 29 2015 08:56 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 08:56 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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mmm...I don't see typical rsoul bubbliness or willingness to question things. Basically no indication you're looking into stuff. lol silence mortal! you do not see with the eyes of the enlightened! mmm...what makes you think Trfel is town so far? amazingness and wizardry namely, the post he thinks he caught me with lol apparently assuming that i don't know what he's doing and would react like some sort of ignorant buffoon who has never seen his play before ^^ I don't understand what you're saying here at all... I'm going to reread the thread now. This is getting unbearable. then let me make this simple for you you often lead (when you have the time) with a post that you think makes you look scummy...in part because of GB's coaching (thus the reference to acolyte) i posted while waiting to see if anyone would take the bait, you're right. but your little theory falls apart because you assume that i'd for some god-awful reason not link this to the other myriad times you did it and at worst null read you for it -flicks- now go be productive and actually find scum I expected you to largely ignore my opening few posts? (unless you cared to discuss musical taste) My read on you is based on entirely different reasons? I actually had no clue you posed a .... And MoosyDoosy, I haven't started my reread yet. I'm slow I'm asking for initial thoughts on your first read. Just as a basis for how your reads shift post-reread. So just list people who you are going to look specifically at during your re-read. Read my filter, I've posted basically all of my thoughts (even if it's not really explained). I'm going to be specifically looking at everyone who has posted, with the possible exception of sicklucker. Hope that helps you! Here you specifically state you are not trying to read me lolz Show nested quote +On September 30 2015 11:03 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 10:48 sicklucker wrote:
As of now i would vote j roc that opening was so bad as he missed two points in the thread in his very small opening.
Not reading the thread = mafia. I should know I role mafa alot Does anyone else want to lynch sicklucker? 1 hour ago (when your the leading wagon) out of no where you bring my name up almost as if your seeing if there is any interest in lynching me and not you. THESE ARE YOUR ONLY MENTIOINS OF ME IN YOUR FILTER BEFORE THAT. You cant make up lies like "well i was not in the thread" you had 30 some hours lol On September 30 2015 12:44 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2015 12:24 Trfel wrote:On September 30 2015 12:21 sicklucker wrote:
As for trefl I feel like he was trying to deflect on me when I entered the thread after ignoring me early so I dont think hes a bad lynch. Feel like hes trying to get a lynch on me no now that hes under presure. If thats true your a fool. but trefl is a strong town player i think scotts a better lynch So I'm scum for being suspicious of you now, and not earlier, for posts that you made after I left, and only saw in the past two hours or so? And then you insult my play, and then call me a strong town player? You can't have it both ways. tref is lying here guys... thoughts? And this progression simply doesn't make sense. Argument aside.
Here is his progression:
Semi-friendly worded clarification
Don't try to spin things, depending on how you answer this I might vote for you
Trfel is lying, everyone please talk about this (before he answers)
Which is a completely nonsensical progression. Town should never, ever act like this.
As for the argument itself, I had no opinion of sicklucker last night. I have an opinion of sicklucker now because he did scummy things in between last night, when I stopped reading the thread, and tonight, when I have been reading the thread again. Which is exactly what I stated in my previous post. He chooses to say that I was in the thread and that I was lying for no reason at all? When talking politely to me a few minutes before?
I just don't see any town thought process in this at all.
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Sicklucker, I specifically pointed out several suspicious posts from you. And they were posted after I left the thread.
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On September 30 2015 12:55 sicklucker wrote:
Trefel read my posts and tell me you didnt post a non true statement? I have done it as town before but I admitted it later..
but those posts you just made is the mafia path
I actually just checked my filter and yours, and I'm completely right. The first thing I have in my notes for you being suspicious was something you posted after I left the thread. And I had many more reasons after that.
On September 30 2015 11:14 sicklucker wrote:
and this cool guy so far has openly role hunted and claims to read me after 1 game that im pretty sure never happened (i never played with this guy before) And you want to talk about me as trefel? I remember when everyone thought you were the second coming of jesus Calling me overrated, in an elaborate description. When people rate me quite low, this does sting a bit. I know, my ego is too large, despite being bad.
I don't really mind it when people insult me. I do think it's very strange that you insult me and then call me a good town player. It seems like you're trying to downplay my abilities when I'm showing suspicions of you, then trying to appease me when I start using more force.
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On September 30 2015 13:01 rsoultin wrote:
-_-
guys
sl basically said he's suspicious of you, truffle, but would rather lynch scott because you'll bring more to town if you're town Which is a terrible reason in and of itself...
I should probably let this drop, though, maybe I've forgotten just how different sicklucker's though processes are from my own. At least until I fully catch up in the thread.
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Rels, if you'd actually like an explanation for my read progression on rsoultin, let me know and I can provide it.
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On September 30 2015 13:05 sicklucker wrote:
Tref you made a post 1 hour before my 20 hour return. im not sure how much you posted but im sure it was alot more then me. Most of my posts were at the very start so unless you were only around for the first 4 hours of the game are posts should have overlapped. alot.. You're making a ton of claims and assumptions without checking your facts. I've continually told you the actual facts, and you are ignoring them entirely with unsupported claims.
Your filter
My filter
On September 29 2015 09:47 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 09:45 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 09:44 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 09:33 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 07:12 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:
O hai!
I'm town truffle took your position. next phase oh is this the post you didn't get, truffle? all i was saying was that you had already posted the "post to get reactions/discussion started" post, and that gb could move on to something more productive i don't know why i always assume these things are blindingly obvious lol >< Basically, GlowingBear made this one post purely to generate discussion. His other posts before this post that you made were serious posts. The post you quoted, the "I'm town" post, does nothing to promote discussion at all. My opening posts also didn't end up creating any discussion. Basically, your post claims that my opening posts actually had a purpose and created discussion, and GlowingBear was actually succeeding at making provocative posts. Both claims I disagree with. Hm, but now that I think about it I don't think that this is a good argument Wow, I'm really bad at this. given i was speaking to the intention of the posts and not the result... DING DING DING It's okay, you're mafia anyway XD My last post before leaving the thread for quite some time, at 20:47 EDT on the 28th.On September 30 2015 09:35 Trfel wrote:
Rsoultin, why do you think that I am town?
I don't understand that read at all XD My next post. At this point I had not read the thread. The time here is 20:35 EDT on the 29th, which makes for 23 hours and 48 minutes away from the thread.On September 29 2015 10:34 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 10:27 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 10:26 sicklucker wrote:On September 29 2015 10:14 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 10:12 sicklucker wrote:
i like how no one even trys to read me anymore. That means im doing my job you're not doing yourself any favors with posts like these who cares they dont make me mafia nothing you've done has made you town are you going to participate in the game or not? Sometimes you dont want to be town. yes I believe I have been playing quite alot for a day 1 This is the first post I marked as suspicious for you. This post was made at 21:34 EDT on the 28th, after I left. Your scumread of J Roc was posted after this post as well.
Got it?
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On September 29 2015 22:45 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 22:40 marvellosity wrote:It is scum indicative 'cause mafia do exactly that; they decide who to scumread and who to townread for strategic purposes, then look for things that makes their targets townie or scummy. how often do you see examples of mafia actually scumreading someone and then making themselves look really stupid with the subsequent explanations? not often i wager sure mafia decide who they are going to town/mafiaread for strategic purposes, but they then usually decide the reasons as well so what happened to Trfel doesn't happen i grant you it's a strange thing, but you're not selling its scummyness to me right now I agree it's stupid. It is the most likely explanation though; how do you explain town Trfel keeping his rsoultin scumread even after admitting his first reason was bad ? I mean, his first reason was so bad I dismissed the post as a joke. The only explanation for town Trfel to do that is if he is joking with rsoultin, like getting her angry on purpose for humour. Let me help you out a bit. Skype conversation with rsoultin, about an hour before the game started.
"you know i'm actually going to lynch you day 1 ^^"
"i feel like if i actually push you all day during the game
it would get on your nerves eventually
but then again you're going to roll mafia, so maybe that's not so bad XD"
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On September 30 2015 13:20 sicklucker wrote:
TREFEL I QUOTED YOUR OWN POST WHERE YOU SAID YOUR NOT TRYING TO READ ME. how can you dispute this? Oh that? You've been talking about that this entire time?
I'm not sure what the right word for this is? Joke doesn't quite fit? I was trying to communicate something by saying something else...
Basically I was saying that I wasn't going to make extra effort to try to figure out your alignment at that time. Well, there were things that stood out to me, and plus the time changed. You actually expect me to not try and read you all game because of an off-hand comment I made right at the start?
And I even said possible exception, meaning that I may try to specifically look at you anyway?
Like that's simply not a lie, and even if it was, it wouldn't be important at all...
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Sicklucker, how long were you gone from the thread for?
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On September 30 2015 13:31 sicklucker wrote:
11pm to 9pm but even before that i was barely around So you're saying that you were sort of around while you were gone from the thread?
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On September 30 2015 13:32 sicklucker wrote:
like your still trying to make excuses. you dont go back and read the thread that already happened? thats what I do everytime i come to the thread and I go back and quote things that interest me. do you not do this? do you just enter the thread ignore it and type things? Let's see, it's been three and a half hours since I came back, and I'm still trying to read the thread. I'm a very slow player. So yes, I start posting about things before I fully catch up.
My point is that you were gone for a reasonably long period of time. So when I say that I was gone for a reasonably long period of time, why do you immediately insist that I am lying?
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On September 30 2015 13:36 sicklucker wrote:
both of are posts before today trefel were all on sept 28 around the same time. Thats why you were rubbing me the wrong way even before this you never tried to read me dispute us being in the thread together. It seems we left at about the same time as well It doesn't matter if I leave one second before you do. If you make an important post in that one second, I don't see it.
I have proven this, with time stamps and quotes. I don't know how you can possibly not understand this.
It's so hard to see this coming from town, but I haven't played with sicklucker for so long...
Sicklucker, I'm going to ignore you for a while. This isn't going anywhere.
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So I caught up, and I have basically no clue about anything
I think I'm going to go to sleep now and try to figure it out tomorrow.
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Rsoultin, role PMs aside, why can't I be mafia with you?
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On October 01 2015 01:44 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 01:42 Trfel wrote:
Rsoultin, role PMs aside, why can't I be mafia with you? cause i'm not mafia? and i'd probably be bussing you here xP let's be honest i'm more likely to late game than you are True, however you called me town many times before the wagon on you started. I think that if you had attempted to bus me you would die.
Do you have any other reasons? Or any reasons why the above is wrong?
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On October 01 2015 01:47 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 01:46 Trfel wrote:On October 01 2015 01:44 rsoultin wrote:On October 01 2015 01:42 Trfel wrote:
Rsoultin, role PMs aside, why can't I be mafia with you? cause i'm not mafia? and i'd probably be bussing you here xP let's be honest i'm more likely to late game than you are True, however you called me town many times before the wagon on you started. I think that if you had attempted to bus me you would die. Do you have any other reasons? Or any reasons why the above is wrong? also why does this matter? this is only relevant if we're both scum @.@ since i'm not and you should at least be pretending not to be if i'm wrong on you, i don't get this Several times you made the assertion that we cannot be mafia together, most notably for your scumread on Rels.
I'm having a lot of trouble understanding why this is, because nothing of our interactions strike me as something that we really couldn't do as scum together (context aside). Maybe you know something I don't, but I think you probably ought to know this. And I don't see why the context changes anything.
Seeing as your townread on me this game is of about the same strength of your townread of me last game (I think, anyway?), and last game you scumread me, I really don't understand.
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On October 01 2015 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Trfel why don't you care about the fack the coolnamedude calls you "suspicious but town"? Why should I care?
There are several plausible interpretations for the meaning of that phrase. I'd like to know what he really meant by it, but it's not urgent. It's really not incriminating.
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On October 01 2015 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 01:56 Trfel wrote:On October 01 2015 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Trfel why don't you care about the fack the coolnamedude calls you "suspicious but town"? Why should I care? There are several plausible interpretations for the meaning of that phrase. I'd like to know what he really meant by it, but it's not urgent. It's really not incriminating. Do you find it reasonable for someone to say someone is suspicious but town? Someone from SC2 Arcade mafia? Definitely.
Last time someone from SC2 Arcade mafia played on TL, they repeatedly told people to stop playing the game because we were supposed to just wait until someone solved the game on day 3-4 with power roles. And that we shouldn't be posting.
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On October 01 2015 02:03 Damdred wrote:
I'm pretty sure RS is town and that Marv is town.
I thought GB had voted RS but I was wrong, I think its actually worse GB isn't really trying to push the lynch he wants and just letting the thread get destroyed.
Because you guys destroyed the thread and anyone who wants to catch up can't effectively. I skipped 6 pages meh Why do you think rsoultin is town?
Do you think that rsoultin and I cannot possibly be mafia together here?
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On October 01 2015 02:10 Damdred wrote:
Here's why GB could be scum, lets tllak about it.
1) Is pretty focused on one or two things without having a true freedom of movement jumping around.
2) While its true GB has a scum read does not really push it instead telling Marv good point and leaving the thread without doing any work.
3)) never in our playing together has GB dropped a read on me like he did when RS told him I was town. Just weird progression on GB in general.
4) Pretty lackluster thread orescrnse and is happy not to be in the lime light unlike usual it feels. I disagree with your fourth point. GlowingBear has seemed largely present to me (well, when he's here anyway, which is often enough). And it does feel like he's very willing to get attention.
Maybe he's not quite as involved as he normally is as town, but he's on vacation. The way he posts feels exactly the same, even if the quantity/activity isn't quite there (it's close, though). I find it much more reasonable that he is town on vacation rather than mafia.
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On October 01 2015 02:11 rsoultin wrote:
hey truffle my question wasn't for kicks and giggles
what's the point of even asking me whether or not we could be scum together? -_- we'd both know that and rayn used it to completely get me off topic cause i have no self-control @.@ and need to find some I already answered this....
I still do not understand why we can't be mafia together at all. If you are saying that we can't be mafia together, and there is no reason for this claim, then I think that you are mafia.
In case you missed my previous post, I don't think that your explanation makes sense because your townread on me this game and last game (when we were both town) is about the same, and you reversed it to a scumread there. Your townread on me here isn't a completely hard townread like you claim it is, and you have room to change it. Plus you could not bus me here unless you wanted to do so before the wagon on you started, which wouldn't be a good play.
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On October 01 2015 02:14 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 02:13 Trfel wrote:On October 01 2015 02:10 Damdred wrote:
Here's why GB could be scum, lets tllak about it.
1) Is pretty focused on one or two things without having a true freedom of movement jumping around.
2) While its true GB has a scum read does not really push it instead telling Marv good point and leaving the thread without doing any work.
3)) never in our playing together has GB dropped a read on me like he did when RS told him I was town. Just weird progression on GB in general.
4) Pretty lackluster thread orescrnse and is happy not to be in the lime light unlike usual it feels. I disagree with your fourth point. GlowingBear has seemed largely present to me (well, when he's here anyway, which is often enough). And it does feel like he's very willing to get attention. Maybe he's not quite as involved as he normally is as town, but he's on vacation. The way he posts feels exactly the same, even if the quantity/activity isn't quite there (it's close, though). I find it much more reasonable that he is town on vacation rather than mafia. i don't agree? it's not that he's not here, it's that he's not fiery. do you disagree with that? Kind of, I think that his posts have been rather aggressive and he's been pushing things and has been involved. Maybe tone wise he hasn't been as fiery as normal, but this can also be attributed to not having time to make 1000 posts yelling at someone.
Am I correctly interpreting what you are saying? I'm not sure that I am...
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On October 01 2015 02:21 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 02:16 Trfel wrote:On October 01 2015 02:11 rsoultin wrote:
hey truffle my question wasn't for kicks and giggles
what's the point of even asking me whether or not we could be scum together? -_- we'd both know that and rayn used it to completely get me off topic cause i have no self-control @.@ and need to find some I already answered this.... I still do not understand why we can't be mafia together at all. If you are saying that we can't be mafia together, and there is no reason for this claim, then I think that you are mafia. In case you missed my previous post, I don't think that your explanation makes sense because your townread on me this game and last game (when we were both town) is about the same, and you reversed it to a scumread there. Your townread on me here isn't a completely hard townread like you claim it is, and you have room to change it. Plus you could not bus me here unless you wanted to do so before the wagon on you started, which wouldn't be a good play. okay? you just said that you thought i couldn't reverse my read given my townread earlier, and now you're claiming i'm not hard townreading you? like i really don't get this, truffle. i'm not scum so by definition we can't be bussing each other. by definition. you are either scum and know that i'm not scum or you are town and know that we're not both scum like literally, to you, we can never be bussing each other either way, and i don't see why you're pursuing this if you're town? there is 100% reason that we're not mafia together and that's that i'm not mafia and either way you know we're not mafia together like wtf >< Oh, sorry, I see what you're saying.
You can't reverse your read on me here after you get votes on you. That would result in you being lynched. It would be extremely opportunistic.
If this wagon had never happened, then you could have reversed your read on me.
You said that Rels is mafia because he switched his vote from me (his scumread) to you, who can't be mafia with me (from Rels' perspective). That is why this is important.
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On October 01 2015 02:28 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 02:25 Trfel wrote:On October 01 2015 02:21 rsoultin wrote:On October 01 2015 02:16 Trfel wrote:On October 01 2015 02:11 rsoultin wrote:
hey truffle my question wasn't for kicks and giggles
what's the point of even asking me whether or not we could be scum together? -_- we'd both know that and rayn used it to completely get me off topic cause i have no self-control @.@ and need to find some I already answered this.... I still do not understand why we can't be mafia together at all. If you are saying that we can't be mafia together, and there is no reason for this claim, then I think that you are mafia. In case you missed my previous post, I don't think that your explanation makes sense because your townread on me this game and last game (when we were both town) is about the same, and you reversed it to a scumread there. Your townread on me here isn't a completely hard townread like you claim it is, and you have room to change it. Plus you could not bus me here unless you wanted to do so before the wagon on you started, which wouldn't be a good play. okay? you just said that you thought i couldn't reverse my read given my townread earlier, and now you're claiming i'm not hard townreading you? like i really don't get this, truffle. i'm not scum so by definition we can't be bussing each other. by definition. you are either scum and know that i'm not scum or you are town and know that we're not both scum like literally, to you, we can never be bussing each other either way, and i don't see why you're pursuing this if you're town? there is 100% reason that we're not mafia together and that's that i'm not mafia and either way you know we're not mafia together like wtf >< Oh, sorry, I see what you're saying. You can't reverse your read on me here after you get votes on you. That would result in you being lynched. It would be extremely opportunistic. If this wagon had never happened, then you could have reversed your read on me. You said that Rels is mafia because he switched his vote from me (his scumread) to you, who can't be mafia with me (from Rels' perspective). That is why this is important. ooooohhh i was saying from his perspective? like he literally said when he voted we couldn't be scum together, so dropping his case on you to pursue me seemed pretty damn weird at the time Darn, I missed that.
Still though, for Rels to townread one of us because we can't possibly be scum together would be unflipped association, and that's bad. I think it makes sense for him to think that marvellosity's reasoning is stronger than his push on me, especially given that he liked my explanation for half of it. I don't think you should hold him to an unflipped association on Day 1?
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On October 01 2015 01:05 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 00:57 rsoultin wrote:On October 01 2015 00:56 GlowingBear wrote:On October 01 2015 00:51 rsoultin wrote:On October 01 2015 00:48 GlowingBear wrote:On October 01 2015 00:45 rsoultin wrote:On October 01 2015 00:41 GlowingBear wrote:On October 01 2015 00:37 rsoultin wrote:On September 30 2015 18:47 GlowingBear wrote:
I think I agree with you about rsoultin to be honest ??? then what is this gb? This is me agreeing with marv's argument on you? so you're tacitly supporting a lynch on me over your scumread cause why? Because it makes sense. I mean, you COULD be mafia after all. I'm not townreading you after what Marv brought. I still prefer truffle's lynch. I just can't argue more than I did anymore. And I'm getting used to be very wrong. I'm not going to sacrifice my trip to repeat the same arguments to people that won't listen to me no i can't his case still is just that i changed my read, which does not make someone mafia...he also didn't like that i called his push on me asinine but i explained that more than adequately so you don't care if truffle gets lynched or not? because you could be wrong? but you'd push marv when i flip town for trying to divert the lynch from truffle? that sounds like a pretty strong scumread to me...yet you're not yelling your bloody head off...because you could be wrong? and your solution is to push to lynch an associative read over something you're so uncertain of you won't push it hard yourself...even for you this is very nonsensical you know that damdred gets angry as town. why did you say he didn't? I know he gets mopy as town, the only exception he got angry was that game where he had serious IRL issues. So that's it. I'm not yelling my head off because I don't care. I want truffle dead because I think he is Mafia. I want Damdred dead because I think he is Mafia. Those are the two I want dead. NOBODY ELSE is willing to discuss them with me, so I don't care. Rayn is completely ignoring my posts, which is boring as hell. So yeah, I want truffle lynched but I won't put effort on it at all case on truffle please i don't know if you've been privy to damdred's other growls but i do know that i've told you how to read him before and you know that this isn't a scum tell at all for him. so why is he scum? Truffle is scum because he came try harding just to look good because his big load of questions didn't have any follow up nor it had any conclusions that led him into reads in this game. It's getting close to deadline and we don't know what his reads are. Damdred is scum for all his bait thing. He made it sound like he had a plan but he failed to explain what it was all about, and he failed to show us what reads he got from it, and yet we don't see Damdred actively trying to solve the game. He's just there, commenting stuff, barely existing. ONE question. I asked ONE question where I didn't have a specific read-based reason in mind.
Part of the reason I asked that question to Damdred was because he's cool and I wanted to talk to him.
Sicklucker, when I returned to the thread, I had not read it. I read the thread over the next four hours. As I came across posts of yours that were scummy, I noted them, and eventually posted in the thread. I'm really not sure what you don't understand.
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Cool, I'm sort of caught up. That took way too long.
Will read filters after lunch.
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Rsoultin, I'm trying to read your filter, but I think you might have posted enough to make that basically impossible at this time.
Why did you change your read on Rels from scum to town?
What do you think about sicklucker's early scumread of J Roc?
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Rsoultin, what was your opinion of GlowingBear early on?
(please don't just link your filter, I read your filter, I'm confused... I don't need a long explanation, just a short clarification is fine)
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On September 29 2015 10:46 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 08:22 J Roc wrote:
J Roc is here
Nowatimsayin
Rayn and SL hardcore bussing each other to start the game, both think it is funny to claim mafia when they are actually mafia.
Trfel why do you have a town read on Rayn? this post is so bad I dont even know where to begin. 1. My rayn read is still open but I said i think I know his thought process suggesting he is town. Im waiting to talk to him. SO i can not be bussing him if im not scum reading him. 2. rayn did not claim mafia he claimed he wanted to role mafia. Rsoultin, this is the post I was referring to.
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On October 01 2015 03:58 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 03:55 Trfel wrote:
Rsoultin, what was your opinion of GlowingBear early on?
(please don't just link your filter, I read your filter, I'm confused... I don't need a long explanation, just a short clarification is fine) i thought his reaction to you was odd and i thought his contradictory reads on me were odd but i also thought given how he responded when rayn called him town directly after that he was looking for a reaction to the inconsistencies, because he said he thought rayn was scum so i was like he could actually be town for that that's really the only townie thing i saw from him @.@ and his read progression explanation on me earlier confirms that wasn't what he was doing at all On September 29 2015 08:54 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 08:52 Trfel wrote:
So basically, I asked a question to Damdred. And Damdred answered.
Then GlowingBear was asking me why I asked the question to Damdred, and if I got anything from his answer.
Then GlowingBear talked about all the things he got from Damdred's answer.
Does this seem strange to anyone else? general strange or gb strange? the stranger thing for me was him not liking his acolyte :/ but stranger still was rayn apparently being fine with gb contradictions. then again, it's gb...nhye rayn doesn't go to the townpile yet at all Are you sure that GlowingBear saying "marry me" was a townread?
It feels like you're making a big deal out of GlowingBear being inconsistent with regards to his townread on you then telling me to push you. However, I'm not convinced that he did townread you early, and I don't think it's at all wrong or suspect to tell a scumread to push a townread, not that early in the game, anyway. Then even if you still feel that it's a contradiction, you partially dismiss it when talking about raynpelikoneet, effectively saying that contradictions like this don't necessarily mean much for GlowingBear.
Either way, that's something that I would consider "crazy GlowingBear-esque play", which you said was missing from his play when talking to Damdred. Do you disagree?
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On October 01 2015 04:02 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 03:56 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 10:46 sicklucker wrote:On September 29 2015 08:22 J Roc wrote:
J Roc is here
Nowatimsayin
Rayn and SL hardcore bussing each other to start the game, both think it is funny to claim mafia when they are actually mafia.
Trfel why do you have a town read on Rayn? this post is so bad I dont even know where to begin. 1. My rayn read is still open but I said i think I know his thought process suggesting he is town. Im waiting to talk to him. SO i can not be bussing him if im not scum reading him. 2. rayn did not claim mafia he claimed he wanted to role mafia. Rsoultin, this is the post I was referring to. uhhh it looks like a reading comprehension problem more than anything and looks fine in that the conclusions follow from what sl thought he read just fine? Hm, "that looks fine" seems strange given that this post seems to be the biggest reason for your early townread of sicklucker?
I admit I might be jumping to conclusions here, if I'm missing something please explain.
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On October 01 2015 04:12 The Shining wrote:
Mobile posting. Just got to work and it's a fucking shitfest. Our computer system and Internet is down so I've got a little under 3 hrs before eod to manually log in a bunch of packages on an ipad and catch up on this game on my phone, because no tablet wifi. I will be here but in limited quantities.
I'm not happy =/ I wouldn't suggest reading the thread, that might not be the best use of your time. Just focus on the key parts.
Basically marvellosity and raynpelikoneet are very convinced that rsoultin is mafia. Damdred thinks that rsoultin is town, and they've been looking for alternative lynches (I think they're currently looking at GlowingBear, or maybe coolTLname). CoolTLname has been posting very strangely, GlowingBear still thinks I'm mafia. I think that's about everything.
My perspective is that I'm not convinced that coolTLname is mafia, though I definitely need to read his filter, and I'm not looking forward to that. Marvellosity is very likely town, I think that GlowingBear is probably town, raynpelikoneet is probably town, but that's something I hope to look into again sometime. I sort of want to lynch rsoultin, but I'm not sure...
Then I have some thoughts on other people but I'm not sure that it's smart/possible for me to make a different push here.
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On October 01 2015 04:14 coolTLname wrote:Truffle , what do u think of this ? I don't think that it means anything. First, I don't think that the meta is correct, due to my experience playing with rsoultin and I actually did double check the games that you linked. Rsoultin is very talkative and conversational as town too. As for contributing very heavily, that's rather subjective, and something I definitely hope to look at. But I have to get through my read progression check first, or at least far enough through it to be satisfied....
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I'm just going to get this out there....
Does anyone else find it strange that Damdred got frustrated enough to say he was going to quit TL mafia, and then continued to play this game at a reasonable pace?
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On September 29 2015 10:27 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 10:26 sicklucker wrote:On September 29 2015 10:14 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 10:12 sicklucker wrote:
i like how no one even trys to read me anymore. That means im doing my job you're not doing yourself any favors with posts like these who cares they dont make me mafia nothing you've done has made you town are you going to participate in the game or not? On September 29 2015 11:23 rsoultin wrote:
kinda don't want an sl lynch, either Can you explain how you got from the first post to the second?
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On September 29 2015 08:49 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 08:45 GlowingBear wrote:On September 29 2015 08:44 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 29 2015 08:43 GlowingBear wrote:On September 29 2015 08:35 J Roc wrote:
Town read for trfel
Nowatimsayin No Stop STAHP GB, are you Mafia again? It's pretty obvious I'm town, to be honest. honestly, i'm inclined to agree but trfel is also probably town lol Oh yeah.....
This is part of the reason I was asking about the GlowingBear stuff.
I believe this is also of relevance to the current raynpelikoneet/rsoultin argument.
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I'm going to take a break.
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I fell asleep.....
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On October 01 2015 11:25 Damdred wrote:
Its curious because nobody is asking how many shots I have which led me to solidify my cc.
Oh well the first step is to explain what mafia motivation I have for basically giving myself up for a one shot tracker.
Explain that first Is it really smart for you to be talking about how many shots you have?
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On October 01 2015 11:31 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 11:30 Trfel wrote:On October 01 2015 11:25 Damdred wrote:
Its curious because nobody is asking how many shots I have which led me to solidify my cc.
Oh well the first step is to explain what mafia motivation I have for basically giving myself up for a one shot tracker.
Explain that first Is it really smart for you to be talking about how many shots you have? I want your thoughts on the whole EoD please. Didn't read it yet. I'm on page 104.
I don't think that Damdred should have claimed, but I think he knows that. I sort of don't think that we should have lynched scott31337 even with the claim, but hindsight is 20/20, and it's likely that that's just the correct play anyway and I'm just stupid.
Honestly, I still think that lynching rsoultin might have been best, but I never really got a chance to take a close look at scott31337's filter (I just couldn't really get anything about his alignment from his posts, and J Roc's posts felt meaningless to me as well).
I don't think that Damdred's claim says that much about his alignment, and I really don't know about him, but now that he has claimed he will probably be easily resolved one way or the other in the near future. If he's town, I really really really hope that he provides some good analysis, as I'm having a lot of trouble this game. Please, Damdred?
Marvellosity is more than capable of playing like this as mafia, and that would very nicely explain a lot of things, but after rolling mafia last game that just feels so unlikely that I think I'm willing to ignore that possibility for now.
I'm kind of suspicious of raynpelikoneet, as he's a very strong player but I didn't really see that in his play today. His pushes weren't bad, but I don't think that he created a healthy atmosphere.
I still have no clue why people are scumreading GlowingBear, I've tried to explain why I am confident that he is town. If you want to, his filter length in this game is a huge contrast to his filter length in the last two mafia games (pages/day), and he's on vacation here. I know that filter length isn't a terribly reliable method of getting reads, but it's a clear and quantitative thing that supports my general view of GlowingBear's play.
There are just too many posts in this game, I am not really able to keep up with everything as I would like. Everyone else plays at such a fast pace.... That's another reason I wish we had lynched rsoultin, then I would have a much better chance at keeping up XD
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Oh and I still kind of think sicklucker may be mafia XD But I have a few things I need to check first, I could just be completely wrong.
Well, I'm generally just completely wrong
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On October 01 2015 06:08 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I didn't see scott's claim and thought it was odd till I read the op. I guess coolTLname is most likely the best lynch today afterall. I could also just let you guys lynch me so I can focus more on college for the next few days because I got a test tomorrow and on Saturday so meh.
##Unvote
##Vote: coolTLname To me, this really really really doesn't seem like a post that town!LightningStrike would ever make?
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On October 01 2015 11:58 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 06:08 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I didn't see scott's claim and thought it was odd till I read the op. I guess coolTLname is most likely the best lynch today afterall. I could also just let you guys lynch me so I can focus more on college for the next few days because I got a test tomorrow and on Saturday so meh.
##Unvote
##Vote: coolTLname To me, this really really really doesn't seem like a post that town!LightningStrike would ever make? To clarify, LightningStrike, are there any posts you've ever made as town before where you say that it's okay if you get lynched?
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On October 01 2015 06:20 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 02:25 Trfel wrote:On October 01 2015 02:21 rsoultin wrote:On October 01 2015 02:16 Trfel wrote:On October 01 2015 02:11 rsoultin wrote:
hey truffle my question wasn't for kicks and giggles
what's the point of even asking me whether or not we could be scum together? -_- we'd both know that and rayn used it to completely get me off topic cause i have no self-control @.@ and need to find some I already answered this.... I still do not understand why we can't be mafia together at all. If you are saying that we can't be mafia together, and there is no reason for this claim, then I think that you are mafia. In case you missed my previous post, I don't think that your explanation makes sense because your townread on me this game and last game (when we were both town) is about the same, and you reversed it to a scumread there. Your townread on me here isn't a completely hard townread like you claim it is, and you have room to change it. Plus you could not bus me here unless you wanted to do so before the wagon on you started, which wouldn't be a good play. okay? you just said that you thought i couldn't reverse my read given my townread earlier, and now you're claiming i'm not hard townreading you? like i really don't get this, truffle. i'm not scum so by definition we can't be bussing each other. by definition. you are either scum and know that i'm not scum or you are town and know that we're not both scum like literally, to you, we can never be bussing each other either way, and i don't see why you're pursuing this if you're town? there is 100% reason that we're not mafia together and that's that i'm not mafia and either way you know we're not mafia together like wtf >< Oh, sorry, I see what you're saying. You can't reverse your read on me here after you get votes on you. That would result in you being lynched. It would be extremely opportunistic. If this wagon had never happened, then you could have reversed your read on me. You said that Rels is mafia because he switched his vote from me (his scumread) to you, who can't be mafia with me (from Rels' perspective). That is why this is important. Oh that explains the question Trfel, you promised me an explanation of your rsoultin's read, so please do it N1. I will be away most of the day so I'm trusting that you don't forget. I made a big post with the timeline I didn't understand maybe 12 hours ago I first scumread rsoultin as a joke. Then I saw something that made me suspicious of rsoultin, and was giving a bit of extra attention to her posts. I saw something else that made me suspicious of her, hence the two reasons I had to be suspicious of her (which I posted at two separate times). Eventually I shared one of the reasons, and then realized that it wasn't very good. Then rsoultin quoted a post that reminded me of the other reason, so I posted that too, but as I was typing it up I realized that it was flawed (as rsoultin demonstrated). Then I was sort of null on rsoultin, but kept the vote as a joke.
I didn't think that rsoultin's read change on marvellosity was suspicious, but I found her reaction to the push and several of her subsequent posts to be very suspicious, many as one-off posts, and a few general trends (specifically I got the impression that she was grasping for straws and trying to look for as many alternate lynches as possible). Though closer to the deadline, her posting seemed much more focused and more like I would expect from her as town there. I'm somewhat suspicious of her, but I don't really know.....
The main problem I believe you have been having is that you don't think that I could forget my reason for being suspicious of rsoultin. If you think that I would do that as mafia and I would never do that as town, good for you. But I was playing in a Starcraft tournament at the time, and I decided from basically the start of the game that I was going to read everything again more carefully, I was just posting for fun. It's nice to have fun, once in a while, because sometimes the games turn into a yelling match (as shown) and you can't really have casual conversation with anyone
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Yeah okay, I think it's quite likely that LightningStrike is mafia.
On October 01 2015 06:25 LightningStrike wrote:
Last will since I not going to be here at EoD:
Lynch coolTLname, maybe Tfrel too.
Don't lynch Tina at all this isn't her scum tone. The alternating between first martyring and now not, and adding me into the potential lynch pool despite saying that he wasn't so sure about lynching me just a bit before, it all seems very focused on protecting rsoultin. Regardless of rsoultin's alignment, I just don't think that LightningStrike does this as town.
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On October 01 2015 12:12 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Which trash tier player did you lose to this time Trfel. (SC2 tournament) I lost to Seigifried..... I know
The worst part is that in Game 1 he cannon rushed me, and then I defended, and then I lost anyway
But before that, I did beat a GM zerg using a style I'd only learned like three days before. I'm pretty glad I joined Rival gaming, they put me in contact with a GM protoss who basically transformed my PvZ from gold level to mid masters + level already XD
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On October 01 2015 12:17 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 12:16 Trfel wrote:On October 01 2015 12:12 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Which trash tier player did you lose to this time Trfel. (SC2 tournament) I lost to Seigifried..... I know The worst part is that in Game 1 he cannon rushed me, and then I defended, and then I lost anyway But before that, I did beat a GM zerg using a style I'd only learned like three days before. I'm pretty glad I joined Rival gaming, they put me in contact with a GM protoss who basically transformed my PvZ from gold level to mid masters + level already XD How can you lose to a cannon rush LOL! SC2 is a easy game compared to BW. You want me to beat you with a cannon rush? I guarantee you that I can, I cannon rush terrans at a masters level. And I'm really bad at cannon rushing XD
Can you explain what it is about rsoultin's tone that made you so convinced that she was town? With as many specifics/details as you can.
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On October 01 2015 12:23 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 12:21 MoosyDoosy wrote:
But yea, back on topic. Answer the question LS. I did read it. Then why didn't you answer...............................
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On October 01 2015 12:34 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 12:19 Trfel wrote:On October 01 2015 12:17 LightningStrike wrote:On October 01 2015 12:16 Trfel wrote:On October 01 2015 12:12 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Which trash tier player did you lose to this time Trfel. (SC2 tournament) I lost to Seigifried..... I know The worst part is that in Game 1 he cannon rushed me, and then I defended, and then I lost anyway But before that, I did beat a GM zerg using a style I'd only learned like three days before. I'm pretty glad I joined Rival gaming, they put me in contact with a GM protoss who basically transformed my PvZ from gold level to mid masters + level already XD How can you lose to a cannon rush LOL! SC2 is a easy game compared to BW. You want me to beat you with a cannon rush? I guarantee you that I can, I cannon rush terrans at a masters level. And I'm really bad at cannon rushing XD Can you explain what it is about rsoultin's tone that made you so convinced that she was town? With as many specifics/details as you can. Mainly her tone towards others and the fact as town she actually doesn't like to be ignored by others. She actually did try to express her thoughts more clearly but the tunnel wre her down from rayn which actualy reminded me of rayn's tunnel on me in my last game with rayn. But rsoultin does those things as mafia too? Do you disagree?
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I could also probably lynch coolTLname for voting at End of Day and then not posting until 39 minutes later. And then saying that he wanted to get lynched after voting for survival.
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Okay, I don't want to lynch coolTLname.
And I looked through several pages from rsoultin's filter in Tropical Storm Mini Mafia and I don't really believe LightningStrike's meta claim.
I'm going to read through GlowingBear's filter again.
If anyone has any questions or wants to talk about anything, please ask.
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On October 01 2015 12:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 12:52 Trfel wrote:
Okay, I don't want to lynch coolTLname.
And I looked through several pages from rsoultin's filter in Tropical Storm Mini Mafia and I don't really believe LightningStrike's meta claim.
I'm going to read through GlowingBear's filter again.
If anyone has any questions or wants to talk about anything, please ask. Elaborate on coolTLname. I don't think that anything he's been doing is scummy. He seems very new, but I don't really see any mafia motivation behind it. Mostly I just don't see any good reason to lynch him.
Also, he called marvellosity irrelevant, and that is quite towny, I think. Basically, I don't think that mafia would want to say stuff like that to marvellosity, especially since if coolTLname is mafia, they probably warned him about marvellosity in the QT when coolTLname was making that early conditional read on marvellosity.
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On October 01 2015 13:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 12:58 Trfel wrote:On October 01 2015 12:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 01 2015 12:52 Trfel wrote:
Okay, I don't want to lynch coolTLname.
And I looked through several pages from rsoultin's filter in Tropical Storm Mini Mafia and I don't really believe LightningStrike's meta claim.
I'm going to read through GlowingBear's filter again.
If anyone has any questions or wants to talk about anything, please ask. Elaborate on coolTLname. I don't think that anything he's been doing is scummy. He seems very new, but I don't really see any mafia motivation behind it. Mostly I just don't see any good reason to lynch him. Also, he called marvellosity irrelevant, and that is quite towny, I think. Basically, I don't think that mafia would want to say stuff like that to marvellosity, especially since if coolTLname is mafia, they probably warned him about marvellosity in the QT when coolTLname was making that early conditional read on marvellosity. You said you were suspicious of rsoul right? In that case, what do you make of coolTLname unconditionally defending her and refusing to accept any points otherwise. Don't know. I don't really think that it's very alignment indicative.
I'm also less suspicious of rsoultin now
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On October 01 2015 13:28 Damdred wrote:
Any questions before I go to bed What do you think about sicklucker and why?
What do you think about LightningStrike and why?
Why do you disagree with my GlowingBear read?
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On October 01 2015 13:36 Damdred wrote:
1) I had a town read on him and I haven't re evaluated yet so I'm sorta sticking with that. His overall play hasn't been bad tbh.
2) Idk about ls I sorts think he's town though.
3) I think he has some things going for him like not wanting to jump on counter wagons but just some things feel off. I guess I was hoping for more specifics, but oh well Thanks for answering, that makes sense.
Anyway, I think I'm going to go to bed. I'll see if I have time tomorrow to dive filters.
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I can't sleep.............
I'm willing to assume that marvellosity is town.
If rsoultin is town, I guess I'll trust her read on raynpelikoneet here. Just for simplicity. So raynpelikoneet is town, regardless of rsoultin's alignment.
There were several posts that rsoultin made where the tone strongly suggested to me that she is town. My tone reads are terrible, but combine that with some general impressions I got from a Skype chat a while back about mafia, and that she doesn't really like playing mafia, and that if she is mafia she would have been extremely frustrated by raynpelikoneet, it just seems like rsoultin is town. Except for the push on GlowingBear. That's the most significant problem I have with rsoultin at this point, I just cannot see any of the things that she says about GlowingBear. And while I didn't prove any inconsistencies in her thought process, I wasn't completely satisfied by her explanations (notably the explanation with regards to her early read on sicklucker)...
I still want to townread LightningStrike for his early posting, but excuses or no, his posting patterns did fit a mafia motivation.... He got townread by post people early on, and then his activity levels dropped off sharply. I don't like him asking to get lynched instead of rsoultin, but I'm not convinced that it is mafia indicative I suppose. I guess he's probably just town.....
I don't know about Rels. Sometimes he seems reasonable, but I feel that he lacks thread presence. Which is strange because he actually has a fairly long filter. And some of his posts I remember thinking were very unreasonable. I need to figure out why I don't feel much thread presence from him, it may just be that he's being covered up by marvellosity, raynpelikoneet, and rsoultin, or there may be a more interesting reason.
I don't really know about MoosyDoosy and sicklucker. I don't feel confident in reading either of them, their thought process differs so much from my own. I feel like sicklucker's been townread a lot for bad reasons, though... Apparently there was a sicklucker smurf game recently? I thought that the smurf was not sicklucker, though?
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On October 01 2015 17:55 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 11:43 Trfel wrote:
Marvellosity is more than capable of playing like this as mafia, and that would very nicely explain a lot of things, but after rolling mafia last game that just feels so unlikely that I think I'm willing to ignore that possibility for now.
Prove this shit-tastic statement please. find one game as mafia where i play *remotely* similar to this. otherwise your opinions are basically worthless piles of crap because you're just saying things that i already know are blatantly false. i want you to actually go find a game where i did anything remotely similar to this game. off you toddle now. I could look through the entire database to try and find a game.
But that's pointless? There's no reason why you couldn't play like this. You know that you generally don't aggressively push a read early on as mafia, you said it yourself. But there's nothing that actually stops you from doing that, other than effort.
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On October 01 2015 23:25 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 23:23 Trfel wrote:On October 01 2015 17:55 marvellosity wrote:On October 01 2015 11:43 Trfel wrote:
Marvellosity is more than capable of playing like this as mafia, and that would very nicely explain a lot of things, but after rolling mafia last game that just feels so unlikely that I think I'm willing to ignore that possibility for now.
Prove this shit-tastic statement please. find one game as mafia where i play *remotely* similar to this. otherwise your opinions are basically worthless piles of crap because you're just saying things that i already know are blatantly false. i want you to actually go find a game where i did anything remotely similar to this game. off you toddle now. I could look through the entire database to try and find a game. But that's pointless? There's no reason why you couldn't play like this. You know that you generally don't aggressively push a read early on as mafia, you said it yourself. But there's nothing that actually stops you from doing that, other than effort. no, i am completely incapable because i have a million mafia games and have tried to replicate such things before. i've been playing pretty constantly for 3 and a half years and come nowhere near managing it. why on earth do you think i could suddenly manage it now? I am not sure what you are talking about?
I'm referring to the part where you made an early push on rsoultin and said that you'd never ever done an early push as mafia. There is zero reason why you couldn't do an early push as mafia, if I am capable of it, then you are definitely capable of it.
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On October 01 2015 21:04 rsoultin wrote:
i still need to reread some others tbh
truffle keeping the suspicion on me open and even now saying he's suspicious of me for having different reads is eh...i don't think he usually assumes same reads = same alignment but i'm not 100% on that and it seems convenient to have "doubts" about your counterwagon
i need to recheck his filter to see what he was doing that whole time apart from asking me questions Different reads doesn't mean mafia.
We had a different read. I asked you to explain why. You said reasons for him being mafia that were the exact opposite of the reasons I had (which I saw very clearly) for him being town. I said this, you didn't respond. I continued to ask different people, eventually providing at least one example, and I kept looking for any sign whatsoever of the things that were mentioned as scummy, but I kept seeing the opposite. And you and the rest of the people scumreading GlowingBear never bothered to show me your perspective.
Of course that gives me pause..... It doesn't mean you have to be mafia but it worries me.
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On October 01 2015 23:45 LightningStrike wrote:
Alright so I did catch up throughly. We could lynch coolTLname or Tina next Day Phase I was just to blinded by my love for her. Ok, why do you want to lynch rsoultin then?
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On October 01 2015 23:54 marvellosity wrote:
post 1 suggests that my entire play could come from mafia
post 2 Trfel backtracks and says it's referring to a tiny portion at the start?
it really makes no sense at all to me There was a specific part of your play where you said "I never do this as mafia". I'm saying that there is absolutely no reason why you couldn't, it would be easy to do.
As for the rest of your play, you are capable of a high filter length as mafia. I see no reason why you couldn't produce an extremely high filter length in a really spammy game, if you really wanted to. If you're referring to thread involvement, I don't see you being involved to the point where you can't be mafia.
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On October 02 2015 00:30 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 00:02 Trfel wrote:On October 01 2015 23:54 marvellosity wrote:
post 1 suggests that my entire play could come from mafia
post 2 Trfel backtracks and says it's referring to a tiny portion at the start?
it really makes no sense at all to me There was a specific part of your play where you said "I never do this as mafia". I'm saying that there is absolutely no reason why you couldn't, it would be easy to do. As for the rest of your play, you are capable of a high filter length as mafia. I see no reason why you couldn't produce an extremely high filter length in a really spammy game, if you really wanted to. If you're referring to thread involvement, I don't see you being involved to the point where you can't be mafia. the fact you're characterising my play by filter length is pretty scummy tbh. I don't think you want to know what I have to say about your play other than filter length.....
You do realize that you are my top townread, right?
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On October 02 2015 06:02 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 05:52 LightningStrike wrote:On October 02 2015 05:50 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 05:48 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 05:37 LightningStrike wrote:
I mainly want to lynch MD mainly because some of his arguments actually not making much sense and he lied too on some of his posts. This is true so far but can you elaborate on which points don't make sense? Like are you sheeping thread sentiment like Moosy said or do you have examples of the lies and what doesn't make sense to you? Mainly his arguments vs Rels it just doesn't make much sense at all esp when Rels had proved that MD had lied on some parts. I will go more into detail about it when I get home if I still alive. Wait what. Yeah lets talk when you get home, too. You can start by explaining why you think you're at risk of being NKd when we have a few strong townread and a living blue claim. That's just weird. But he is at risk of being night killed!
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On October 02 2015 06:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Someone is probably going to try to push Trfel but his approach to the game was so so so fucking townie at the EoD he is not mafia. Lynch rsoultin to confirm Trfel's alignment if you are unsure. You mean the part where I accidentally fell asleep and missed EOD?
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Rels, because you asked, this post is probably the clearest example of a post that doesn't make sense from you. I already showed why most of LightningStrike's posts that you quoted clearly do not support the point that you say they do.
On September 29 2015 17:23 Rels wrote:GB making joke posts is weird 'cause his first post was serious. Let me check that. Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 07:07 GlowingBear wrote:On September 29 2015 07:02 LightningStrike wrote:On September 29 2015 07:00 Trfel wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Welcome to the Wonderful World of Trfel!
(musical version) As some of you may know, I really appreciate instrumental music. As with most things, my knowledge of classical music is very limited (I only know a few of the major symphonies, for example), but that doesn't stop me from enjoying music. My tastes in music are fairly strange and specific, which I suppose comes partly from my musical background. I have no real music theory education, but I have been playing trumpet for a while, throughout grade school and continuing in college. I like to think that I'm quite good at it, but unfortunately musical instruments are very challenging for most people and it would take me far more effort than I feel comfortable giving to get my trumpet playing to the next level. So I'm stuck playing in one of the boring bands at the university, which just has a bunch of people who feel like playing their instrument once in a while but aren't terribly good at it. And I've found myself really losing my appreciation for playing and practicing trumpet, which is very sad because I've spent so much time working on my trumpet playing over the past five years or so, but I'm not sure if there is anything that I can do about it. But I still enjoy music a ton. Not just listening to it, but being a part of it. So I'm trying to learn how to compose music. It's quite difficult because I have no formal theory training (just whatever I've picked up over my years with trumpet and coming from a fairly musical family), and my piano playing skills are next to zero (and piano playing is basically how everyone composes music). So it will definitely be a difficult learning period, but I hope that I can push through it. I have a keyboard in my room now, full 88 keys. I've tried to play it several times, but I'm so bad that it's painful to listen to myself. If anyone has any tips for starting on the piano, I'm very interested XD But the piano has proved useful for testing new chords and progressions for my songs. I don't have much yet, and the progress is slow, but I'm hoping that I can figure out how to compose proper music. I generally enjoy music with heavier usage of brass instruments (I do play trumpet, after all). John Williams has done some incredible things with brass in many of his famous movie scores and other compositions. In particular, his french horn usage is amazing. I also found an old CD of some Miklos Rosza film music, and that's been really enjoyable as well. The style of music used in film scores seems very fun to compose, play, and listen to, as there is much more freedom in the music itself (though modern movies tend to utilize the musical score more for background only, and don't use a recurring melody that brings the music directly to people's attention, which I find a bit lacking). Despite having basically no idea what I'm doing, I'm very excited about the possibilities and hope to create some good songs. One great band piece to end the post (or at least, I think it's a great band piece ): TLDR please? Also guys I'm town this game let's get some scum lynched! Jesus I already want to kynch you LS :/ OK maybe I thought this post was serious when it wasn't. @GB was your first post serious ? Also this post, it would make much more sense to ask GlowingBear first, and then draw any conclusions after, if necessary. Assuming that the goal is to find scum, Rels is hoping to catch GlowingBear. So the right way to do it is to figure out what GlowingBear's intent was and then find out if it is scummy or not, and the wrong way to do it is to say "Hey, GlowingBear, were you doing A or B? FYI if you say A, then I think that's scummy." Because then mafia!GlowingBear can just say B and then you get nowhere.
I guess I should probably look at bigger-picture stuff, that would be much more effective. I'll try to do that tonight if I can, otherwise tomorrow.
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On September 29 2015 18:36 Rels wrote:
seriously though, mafia rayn was super obvious in the game I played with him. He's said he had a bad game 'cause no time, but he was tunneling geript as scum, then sheep geript's read on me when it was convenient for me. Maybe he will fool me one day, but for now I'm pretty sure I can read rayn (= This just doesn't feel like a town post.....
"Hey, there's this player who everyone says is really good at mafia. I caught him once when he was playing badly, but I'm not going to be scared of him at all until he fools me. He must be a really easy read, even though everyone says otherwise."
Rels strikes me as a more practical player than someone who I would expect to make this post.
Maybe I'm just attributing a different playstyle/thought process to Rels than what he actually uses as town, though....
I guess I'll restart later and be more open-minded.
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Rsoultin, you do realize that there's no point reading my filter because if you scumread me then you will be lynched, 100%
Especially since I told you the best way to read me, and it's probably the most applicable in this game over any other in the past six months.
And I really don't like you constantly avoiding me on the GlowingBear issue, even now. I still have no idea how GlowingBear's posts can possibly be seen the way you described them? Can you help me out, at least a little?
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I don't want to read coolTLname's filter, I really don't.
Part of me just wants to never lynch him because he has a cool TL name.
Part of me just wants to never lynch him because marvellosity's reason to townread him on Day 1 made sense. And he feels new, not scummy.
I get that he's lied, but I don't see any motivation for him to do this as mafia. He simply misread/misunderstood something. There is no reason at all why he is more likely to do this as mafia than as town. If I'm wrong, please correct me, but I don't think so?
Part of me will be embarrassed for the rest of my life if he's mafia and I don't vote for him..........................
Bleh. I'll read through Rels and sicklucker first.
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On October 02 2015 10:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 10:51 Trfel wrote:
I get that he's lied, but I don't see any motivation for him to do this as mafia. He simply misread/misunderstood something. There is no reason at all why he is more likely to do this as mafia than as town. If I'm wrong, please correct me, but I don't think so?
post like this make you look super weird tbh.... like do you just ignore the fact i tried to make him contribute onto said things further? and he responds basically with threatening my life or some fucking thing like that? No, I don't like that, but unfortunately I think that town players are sometimes stupid enough to play like that. I've seen it way too many times.
I wasn't referring to the post-lie argument, I was referring to the argument over the vote count itself and the nature of whether coolTLname's initial claim had mafia motivation.
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If I read some filters, would anyone want to talk to me about them afterwards?
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On October 02 2015 13:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 13:58 Trfel wrote:
If I read some filters, would anyone want to talk to me about them afterwards? You should be doing that regardless. You don't realize how lazy I am.
Lynch isn't for a while yet.
If you are willing to stay up for a while and talk to me, I'll read filters and have things to talk about. Otherwise I'll probably not
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To be honest I might just want to lynch coolTLname because he is being so obstructive to the thread that even if he's town lynching him could be good.
CoolTLname, angering raynpelikoneet is not a good strategy. If he is mafia, there is no point arguing with him, since he's mafia and he doesn't believe what he's saying; he knows that you are right. All you're doing is filling the thread with useless words. Spend your time talking to other people instead. If he is town, then it's even worse because you're making two (presumably) townies very mad at each other for filling the thread with stuff that is nowhere near catching mafia.
There's just no point to do it regardless of raynpelikoneet's alignment.
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I don't care for this discussion at all because I think that coolTLname is probably town.
Rsoultin, I don't seem to be able to convey anything to you so far today, I'd rather wait until we both get a chance to rest before I try again. I don't have anything new to say at this moment, just rephrasing things I've already said....
MoosyDoosy, of course my post was made with the assumption that coolTLname was town. I actually said that in the post. Congratulations.
I would just really appreciate it if raynpelikoneet and coolTLname stop this argument because it is going absolutely nowhere and is a nightmare to read. Whatever points you guys are trying to make have been made a million times over and you aren't going to convince each other.
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On October 02 2015 14:18 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 14:15 Trfel wrote:
I don't care for this discussion at all because I think that coolTLname is probably town.
Rsoultin, I don't seem to be able to convey anything to you so far today, I'd rather wait until we both get a chance to rest before I try again. I don't have anything new to say at this moment, just rephrasing things I've already said....
MoosyDoosy, of course my post was made with the assumption that coolTLname was town. I actually said that in the post. Congratulations.
I would just really appreciate it if raynpelikoneet and coolTLname stop this argument because it is going absolutely nowhere and is a nightmare to read. Whatever points you guys are trying to make have been made a million times over and you aren't going to convince each other. i asked you specifically what your question regarding GB was, directly after you asked me about it and you pissed off so why don't you start there? I need some clue as to how you could possibly make the read that you made about GlowingBear.
"I reread and changed my mind" is okay, but I still don't understand how you arrived at the initial conclusion in the first place.
And I still have no idea whatsoever how sicklucker's posts on J Roc early on justified a townread of him, since they seemed very boring to me and were based on him misinterpreting something.
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Bleh, I'm really bad at this
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Okay, I think it maybe about time I start trying to think about who to lynch.
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On October 03 2015 13:47 Trfel wrote:
Okay, I think it maybe about time I start trying to think about who to lynch. One hour and 22 minutes later, he starts to catch up on the thread XD
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On October 03 2015 15:18 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 15:09 Trfel wrote:On October 03 2015 13:47 Trfel wrote:
Okay, I think it maybe about time I start trying to think about who to lynch. One hour and 22 minutes later, he starts to catch up on the thread XD Around if you want to talk about stuff Sure, I'd love to!
How long are you staying up for? It'll probably take me a while until I have anything to talk about
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On October 03 2015 15:25 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 15:23 Trfel wrote:On October 03 2015 15:18 Rels wrote:On October 03 2015 15:09 Trfel wrote:On October 03 2015 13:47 Trfel wrote:
Okay, I think it maybe about time I start trying to think about who to lynch. One hour and 22 minutes later, he starts to catch up on the thread XD Around if you want to talk about stuff Sure, I'd love to! How long are you staying up for? It'll probably take me a while until I have anything to talk about Until this afternoon so at least 4-5 hours That ought to give me enough time.
I haven't entirely caught up with the thread yet, but here's a rough summary of where I'm at...
Not lynching rsoultin today for three reasons. One, she's probably town, two, her filter is too long for me to look at, and three, I feel really bad for asking the same question a billion times, looking at her answer and deciding to double check it later, and then forgetting about it and asking again.
No clue about MoosyDoosy, need to investigate.
Not lynching GlowingBear because I think he's obviously town due to thread involvement and activity. I should re-evaluate him later, but not for this lynch, I think. Note that if rsoultin is mafia, GlowingBear could look much worse.
Not lynching raynpelikoneet today because I can't, even if I thought he were mafia.
I don't think I want to lynch LightningStrike, but I should look through his filter.
Probably not lynching Rels, but I should look through his filter.
Sicklucker's posts drive me insane, so I'll do my best to avoid reading them.
I'm not making a read on Damdred.
No clue at all about The Shining, apparently his filter is 6 pages, so that should be enough to get a good read. I should probably read that.
I don't think I want to lynch coolTLname, I think that all of the "suspicious" and "scummy" things about him are more likely caused by him being new. I also don't see why his play is any more likely to come from mafia than from town. I will definitely read through his filter, but that is my impression from reading the thread.
If you have any reads that differ significantly than mine, please share.
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Several of coolTLname's posts seem to show a town thought process, even if they don't arrive at the same conclusions that I would.On October 02 2015 12:18 coolTLname wrote:
he even claimed roleblocker night 1 , btw. And damdred is roleblocked all of a sudden.
so i guess my onnly real read is GB right now. And whoever said i was role hunting 101 with the "can medics heal themselves" question is my #2 suspect On October 02 2015 12:18 coolTLname wrote:
because mafia would be thinking.. Hey is this guy actually the medic?? so they would notice that post These posts, for example.
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On October 03 2015 15:48 Rels wrote:
Don't agree on coolTLname, and I'm suspicious of moosy and shining
CoolTLname has made a dumb tell that he knows proclaims to be intentional. If he was town he would have seen that it is obvious its weird. Only a mafia could think maybe this could be believable
Moosy tried to steal credit for being the first to vote and to push me. I might have spotted another contradiction but he s not answering my question, so I'm waiting for that to go further
Shining because it was the only really different read between rayn and Marv, if you don't count the "not definite reads" Marv had at night. So nk may indicate he s mafi. Plus I agree with whoever he s not doing much apart from talking about coolTLname. I didn't read his filter though so I need to do that
Still in my bed though so ask if you need more details; I'll do it when I get up and get to my pc :p
I m super interested by your reads on moosy and shining What was this specific dumb tell that you refer to about coolTLname? I may not have gotten to it yet, but if there's one that's more significant than the others, it would be nice if you could point out which one.
To me, the night kill is best explained as mafia trying to clear out the thread leadership. I didn't feel like marvellosity had many strong reads. But marvellosity is clearly the leader, raynpelikoneet would likely follow him in the end.
One thing is that raynpelikoneet was constantly insisting that rsoultin and coolTLname are town, and marvellosity wasn't. That is another possible reason that marvellosity would be night killed, probably a much more likely one than The Shining being the reason.
I'll let you know when I have more.
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On October 03 2015 16:01 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 15:53 Trfel wrote:On October 03 2015 15:48 Rels wrote:
Don't agree on coolTLname, and I'm suspicious of moosy and shining
CoolTLname has made a dumb tell that he knows proclaims to be intentional. If he was town he would have seen that it is obvious its weird. Only a mafia could think maybe this could be believable
Moosy tried to steal credit for being the first to vote and to push me. I might have spotted another contradiction but he s not answering my question, so I'm waiting for that to go further
Shining because it was the only really different read between rayn and Marv, if you don't count the "not definite reads" Marv had at night. So nk may indicate he s mafi. Plus I agree with whoever he s not doing much apart from talking about coolTLname. I didn't read his filter though so I need to do that
Still in my bed though so ask if you need more details; I'll do it when I get up and get to my pc :p
I m super interested by your reads on moosy and shining What was this specific dumb tell that you refer to about coolTLname? I may not have gotten to it yet, but if there's one that's more significant than the others, it would be nice if you could point out which one. To me, the night kill is best explained as mafia trying to clear out the thread leadership. I didn't feel like marvellosity had many strong reads. But marvellosity is clearly the leader, raynpelikoneet would likely follow him in the end. One thing is that raynpelikoneet was constantly insisting that rsoultin and coolTLname are town, and marvellosity wasn't. That is another possible reason that marvellosity would be night killed, probably a much more likely one than The Shining being the reason. I'll let you know when I have more. I'm talking about the "can medic shoot at night?" Question from his early posts Rayn insisted that rsoultin and coolTLname were town ? He was saying that cool was town at deadline, and I think he reversed this read at night. Will check the exact timing. Rayn never insisted that rsoultin was town I think ? Mafia, mafia, mafia...
Town = mafia
Maybe I should go to sleep....
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How about the part where coolTLname has continued to play for almost all of this time?
If he's mafia, he's getting super bussed here. I don't think anyone has even tried to make a second wagon. And he knows it, there's really no reason to keep playing. There's no way he would try for as long as he did.
I'm very confident that coolTLname is town. I don't even think I have to reread his filter...
And Rels, for the posts I was talking about, I think that he's more likely to post that as town than as mafia. That's simply a thought that mafia would want to keep in the QT and they probably wouldn't want to post it in the thread. Furthermore, the discussion about roles is something very common in SC2 Arcade Mafia, so I think it's actually quite fitting to come from town with that in mind.
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Like, if I say it in big green letters will you listen?
CoolTLname is town!!!
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On October 03 2015 16:15 Rels wrote:
lol
I agree that it's a bus and it's weird, actually that's why I switched off him last night. But I'm pretty sure he said several times now he wouldn't bother coming back, and if that's the case your argument is flawed
wait a minute I will quote some things No, my argument isn't flawed, he would have quit much, much, much, much earlier if he were mafia. He wouldn't have stuck through all of those arguments with raynpelikoneet. My argument is strong.
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Hm, we are interpreting marvellosity's filter very differently.
I'd place his rsoultin read at null at worst, for example, probably a slight town lean.
Before the lynch, he said that coolTLname was 95% town. I don't remember him saying much to change that. But either way, it shows that he's willing to look past the inconsistencies in coolTLname's play, and he was also arguing that one of raynpelikoneet's main Day 1 points about why coolTLname is mafia wasn't alignment indicative.
And furthermore, as raynpelikoneet demonstrated, there are so many more reasons that marvellosity would be night killed instead of raynpelikoneet that don't even include reads. Of course, raynpelikoneet assumed that the mafia team is smart but a stupid mafia team would have several of the same reasons and some different reasons.
If you really want to take the night kill and make a read based on it, I feel that reading coolTLname as town would be the most likely, but this is still a very flawed approach. Very, very flawed.
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On October 03 2015 16:23 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 16:18 Trfel wrote:On October 03 2015 16:15 Rels wrote:
lol
I agree that it's a bus and it's weird, actually that's why I switched off him last night. But I'm pretty sure he said several times now he wouldn't bother coming back, and if that's the case your argument is flawed
wait a minute I will quote some things No, my argument isn't flawed, he would have quit much, much, much, much earlier if he were mafia. He wouldn't have stuck through all of those arguments with raynpelikoneet. My argument is strong. Last game I was mafia with Damdred and fidei. We bus Damdred D2, everybody was voting for him; he still showed up to make us fight for his lynch. That way, town felt we had accomplished something (mostly I, cause I pushed him hard), and I was townread by everybody. So I dont' think this "he's still showing up" argument is valid That's Damdred.
This is coolTLname, not Damdred. He's almost certainly quite frustrated with this game (do you really think he could go so far as to fake that?), and I don't see him adding to the thread WIFOM at all. He even voted for himself instead of voting for someone else. If he were mafia he would at least make random pushes on people for WIFOM reasons, at least that is what his scumbuddies would tell him to do if he was willing to keep playing despite being bussed.
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On October 03 2015 16:36 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 16:30 Trfel wrote:On October 03 2015 16:23 Rels wrote:On October 03 2015 16:18 Trfel wrote:On October 03 2015 16:15 Rels wrote:
lol
I agree that it's a bus and it's weird, actually that's why I switched off him last night. But I'm pretty sure he said several times now he wouldn't bother coming back, and if that's the case your argument is flawed
wait a minute I will quote some things No, my argument isn't flawed, he would have quit much, much, much, much earlier if he were mafia. He wouldn't have stuck through all of those arguments with raynpelikoneet. My argument is strong. Last game I was mafia with Damdred and fidei. We bus Damdred D2, everybody was voting for him; he still showed up to make us fight for his lynch. That way, town felt we had accomplished something (mostly I, cause I pushed him hard), and I was townread by everybody. So I dont' think this "he's still showing up" argument is valid That's Damdred. This is coolTLname, not Damdred. He's almost certainly quite frustrated with this game (do you really think he could go so far as to fake that?), and I don't see him adding to the thread WIFOM at all. He even voted for himself instead of voting for someone else. If he were mafia he would at least make random pushes on people for WIFOM reasons, at least that is what his scumbuddies would tell him to do if he was willing to keep playing despite being bussed. He's voting for GB. And he tried to ninja vote scott at the last second D1. Only after attempting to vote for himself and then learning that self-votes are not allowed in this game.....
Can I ask you to just trust me on this one? If I'm completely wrong, well 99% of the time coolTLname gets lynched here anyway. At least having a second push makes things more interesting and means that people might actually play the game.
I could go through and explain why I think that coolTLname is town, and I think I'd probably be able to convince you, but then I don't think I'd be able to read through anyone else's filter. And I'd rather find mafia because that's the point of the game.
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On October 03 2015 16:44 Rels wrote:
are you caught up yet ? Not close XD
Sorry lol
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Ugh, I don't know what I should do
Even if I had a scumread, I don't want to nor am I capable of out yelling raynpelikoneet.
Maybe I get a scumread and make rsoultin yell at raynpelikoneet for me? That could work XD
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Rels, your "lurker reader" scumread of coolTLname as I understand it is flawed.
As for in the current game, town can often be present without posting. I do it sometimes as town, that's sort of what I've been doing for the past 24 hours ish. I can't possibly be the only person to do this as town. Palmar does a similar thing, except he openly admits to searching the entire thread for "Palmar" just to see if he's being discussed, and then posts that he did that. but the general principle of knowing that the thread exists and paying some attention but not really posting is there.
As for coolTLname having read previous games of mafia on TL Mafia, I guarantee you that this is false. First, people just... don't do that. If they did, they would at least sign up for the Obs QT. But they basically just don't. Scott31337 is probably the only player I know of who actually did this, and you can see what his play looks like, it's nothing like coolTLname's play here. Second, every post that you mentioned as indicating that coolTLname has more experience on TL Mafia than he claims has a very reasonable explanation. For example, when he says that being under suspicion by GlowingBear isn't really being under suspicion, note that he's been scumreading GlowingBear the entire game (of course he's not under suspicion of the person being suspicious of him is mafia...), and I believe that somewhere around the time he said this quote there was a small sort of push on GlowingBear. Or at least, suspicions were voiced in the thread.
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Okay, I'll go with LightningStrike being town.
In other news, Rels seems to have died And just when I was catching up, too....
Okay, filter time.
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On October 03 2015 17:42 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 17:08 Trfel wrote:
Rels, your "lurker reader" scumread of coolTLname as I understand it is flawed.
As for in the current game, town can often be present without posting. I do it sometimes as town, that's sort of what I've been doing for the past 24 hours ish. I can't possibly be the only person to do this as town. Palmar does a similar thing, except he openly admits to searching the entire thread for "Palmar" just to see if he's being discussed, and then posts that he did that. but the general principle of knowing that the thread exists and paying some attention but not really posting is there.
As for coolTLname having read previous games of mafia on TL Mafia, I guarantee you that this is false. First, people just... don't do that. If they did, they would at least sign up for the Obs QT. But they basically just don't. Scott31337 is probably the only player I know of who actually did this, and you can see what his play looks like, it's nothing like coolTLname's play here. Second, every post that you mentioned as indicating that coolTLname has more experience on TL Mafia than he claims has a very reasonable explanation. For example, when he says that being under suspicion by GlowingBear isn't really being under suspicion, note that he's been scumreading GlowingBear the entire game (of course he's not under suspicion of the person being suspicious of him is mafia...), and I believe that somewhere around the time he said this quote there was a small sort of push on GlowingBear. Or at least, suspicions were voiced in the thread. I initially had the same reaction than you about that. But read these posts and tell me he doesn't mean he knows some of the people playing, especially the second one: + Show Spoiler +On October 03 2015 02:24 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 16:47 coolTLname wrote:
So i noticed mafia can hold their KP, this makes claiming Roleblock and framing someone possible, as well as fake vet claims. Anyway i propose anyone who claims a blue role to be lynched automatically, if there is no kill , better to leave it in the dark?
Can medics heal themselves? OK this question has to come from a newbie. The medic one. But coolTLname has slipped two times he knew the people playing: Show nested quote +On September 30 2015 05:57 coolTLname wrote:
being accused by you and GB is hardly being under suspicion Implying there are more experienced players in the game than GB and I. And that is the case: marv, rayn, rsoultin ... Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 04:04 coolTLname wrote:On October 02 2015 04:01 GlowingBear wrote:On October 02 2015 03:56 coolTLname wrote:On October 01 2015 18:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
... furthermore if he read the voting thread, he is jsut blantantly lying.
There was NEVER ever time when coolname/scott/rsoultin were "main lynch targets". this is just a lie, rayn isn't reading thread, im sure u all remember when rsoultin and trfel had 4 votes a piece. On October 01 2015 18:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i know LS is not the most logical guy, but he gets his stuff somewhere, everyone does. What he says doesn't make any sense. The conclusion definitely did not come from reading the voting thread, that is 100% obvious. If he had skimmed the thread he would know that (1) GB is actually one of the main lynch targets, (2) rsoultin is not, (3) coolTLname is being voted BECAUSE scott claimed. Somehow he conveniently misses those KEY things that lead to the situation we were at the time. I can't see this being possible unless you are like the most unfortunate person on the planet when you skim through the thread. i was not voted because scott claimed, he claimed at the last minute after i had already a lot of votes - 7. GB never had more votes than rsoultin, by the way. On October 01 2015 19:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:mmm like here is why this coolnamedude is scum; 1) says he wants to be lynched over scott -> tries to vote for scott 2) says i am mafia for things that do not make me mafia, calls me a liar -> either just straight out lying or didn't read the thread.. but -> says people who do not read the thread are mafia.. 3) calls me/you mafia because we are "cluttering the thread for posting so much" -> says rsoultin is town because she has the biggest filter in the game (yes that is literally his only reason he has managed to ACTUALLY provide). My votes did not even count because i posted them too late, and i've posted much more reasons for why rsoultin is town, the biggest being that she did not vote up Trfel when the votes were tied, stating him as town and just accepting her own lynch. On October 01 2015 12:47 coolTLname wrote:On October 01 2015 12:42 Trfel wrote:
I could also probably lynch coolTLname for voting at End of Day and then not posting until 39 minutes later. And then saying that he wanted to get lynched after voting for survival. Like i said earlier, i was busy. To be elaborate i had a therapy session with my dad during the last hour of the game. I actually checked during the session and it seemed clear i would be lynched , until scott revealed at the last minute. I didn't really know what the votes or anything that was going on , but scott seemed suspicious enough to me so i tried to mobile vote him. Unfortunately i was lagging and i cant text for shit, which made my votes not even count, because i missed the deadline, btw. I've caught rayn not really knowing what happening in the thread multiple times now. Not reading the thread doesn't make him mafia Glowing bear u should know better of all people, why would u even say this ? It is quite ridiculous, we all know mafia does not read the thread. Why would a townie not read the thread? Implying he knows GB is known for not reading the thread, something even I, who is not a newbie anymore, was not aware of. So he knows who some of the players are. And he isn't a smurf, as confirmed by rsoultin and LS. So that means he is a lurker reader: someone who has read some games here, but doesn't post or play. That would explain how he knows things about GB, me, and the players more experiences than the both of us. So if he is a lurker reader, he should know than medic cannot heal themselves. This question is an attempt at appearing newbie so mistakes can be excused. coolTLname is mafia. Of course he'll explain it afterwards. Every scum explains their slips afterwards. Doesn't mean we cannot analyze what they previously said. The first quote you quoted is actually the one that I explained in my post.
The second one, if you read it as is, would actually also reveal that coolTLname knows that GlowingBear is town (despite scumreading him). But as a general rule (not all the time, but in general), scumslips are stupid. Furthermore, I don't think that GlowingBear is known for not reading the thread. It seems to me that the most likely explanation is that coolTLname is under the impression that GlowingBear has made reading errors this game and therefore GlowingBear has to accept coolTLname's point of view (that or claim mafia, which coolTLname is presuming that GlowingBear won't do).
Either way, I don't think it's a good idea to pay attention to scumslips. It's just more distracting than it's worth, I think.
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Oh, and yes I am caught up, I meant to add
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Rels, you seem to be more motivated than I am. Can you do a favor for me?
Can you look up some of The Shining's town and mafia games and find out how he addresses his scumreads? In his entire case on MoosyDoosy in one of his first few posts, he writes as if he's talking to MoosyDoosy alone. But he's not asking questions. Why should town be trying to convince their scumread that they are scum? I don't remember The Shining doing this before.....
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On October 03 2015 17:58 Trfel wrote:
Rels, you seem to be more motivated than I am. Can you do a favor for me?
Can you look up some of The Shining's town and mafia games and find out how he addresses his scumreads? In his entire case on MoosyDoosy in one of his first few posts, he writes as if he's talking to MoosyDoosy alone. But he's not asking questions. Why should town be trying to convince their scumread that they are scum? I don't remember The Shining doing this before..... Ok, I did it myself (rushed through it, anyway). At a glance, this meta read seems accurate. I'll check more later, but I'm quite happy about this.
Except now I almost wish I'd saved it for another time....
This is in agreement with the suspicious things I'm noticing in The Shining's filter.
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On October 03 2015 18:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can you link the games you checked? Well I spent about two minutes doing my check, but I checked his only mafia game and his latest town game, according to the database. Again, I'll do a more detailed check later.
I'm not going to scumread him or townread him purely because of this meta, I'd rather base my read off of his play. But this does help.
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On October 03 2015 18:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
idk, his scumgame seems super different from this game. I'd sure hope so, he basically wasn't able to play that game at all due to being busy the entire time. His play was just activity excuses, which he said were all true after the game and in the QT. There isn't really much scum meta to rely on for him.
His filter is quite scummy, I think, his read progression doesn't line up. For example, it seems to me that his Day 1 scumread of coolTLname is sort of pulled out of thin air (he seems to be stressing things and awkwardly joining the wagon but being sure to make his own reasons for it). And he completely drops his earlier case on MoosyDoosy, no reference to it at all, even going so far as to say that his view on something was the same on MoosyDoosy's (but no stance on MoosyDoosy...).
And The Shining seems to show a distinct lack of knowledge for LightningStrike's play, and since they've played several games together I'm pretty sure, I don't think that The Shining's early scumread on LightningStrike is very believable.
Anyway, I should probably shut up until I finish, I guess.
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Rels, I'm sorry, I honestly have no clue. I don't think it's good to go through all of MoosyDoosy's filter and try to piece together what he was trying to say, that should be his job. Plus if he is mafia and this would catch him, you might find a more reasonable explanation than what he actually did. Why don't we just wait for him to explain what he was saying when he gets back?
As for if it's mafia indicative, I don't feel like he would reach for a scumread when there's no incentive for doing so and it can be clearly shown that he's wrong. Though honestly I had some trouble following your post, I've been reading this game very quickly and not to the level of detail that I would have hoped for. I'll check it again when I finish with this The Shining thing, I'm pretty excited about that honestly.
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I guess I sort of retract the point about The Shining's stance on LightningStrike, it appears that they haven't played much together for several months.
Still though, when The Shining seems to assume that LightningStrike and raynpelikoneet would read GlowingBear the same way, that doesn't seem reasonable. Even from reading a little bit of this game, it should become clear that LightningStrike and raynpelikoneet have different styles, which would lead to different methods of how to read people.
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On October 03 2015 18:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No Trfel it might be valid, what did you see? The Shining was commenting on things that LightningStrike does all the time as town and was calling LightningStrike scum for them. Such as posting summaries of what happened in the thread (often without taking stances on it).
The big thing is that it feels like the quote about comparing raynpelikoneet's and LightningStrike's statements on how to read GlowingBear felt like The Shining was trying to find additional reason from nowhere to scumread LightningStrike.
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On October 01 2015 05:43 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 05:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 01 2015 05:15 marvellosity wrote:
why is GB town? i'm sure you explained somewhere but i forgot and i still have lots of things to do that are not-mafia before deadline He is being at least semi-reasonable. You can call that bullshit if you want to. I have never been wrong on GB in any game after the first time he rolled mafia. If him/you/someone want to prove me wrong go ahead. Hes being semi reasonable, therefore town? This contradicts the LS townread of him that as scum he makes more sense as scum and makes no sense as town. You have to be at least somewhat reasonable to make sense and if GB is making sense, he's scum to LS. What do you think about the LS read on GB? Like from what I see, you guys have opposite reasons for calling GB town.
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On October 03 2015 18:28 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 18:24 Trfel wrote:
Rels, I'm sorry, I honestly have no clue. I don't think it's good to go through all of MoosyDoosy's filter and try to piece together what he was trying to say, that should be his job. Plus if he is mafia and this would catch him, you might find a more reasonable explanation than what he actually did. Why don't we just wait for him to explain what he was saying when he gets back?
As for if it's mafia indicative, I don't feel like he would reach for a scumread when there's no incentive for doing so and it can be clearly shown that he's wrong. Though honestly I had some trouble following your post, I've been reading this game very quickly and not to the level of detail that I would have hoped for. I'll check it again when I finish with this The Shining thing, I'm pretty excited about that honestly. No the biggest scum indicator is that I did wait for him to answer. That's two times he is in the thread, I ask him to precise, and he doesn't do it. I'm sorry, it's 5:30 AM and MoosyDoosy's arrogance makes it very hard for me to read him He's just always so freaking confident beyond logic, and I try to be as realistic as I can, the clash is quite hard for me...
My first thought is that his arrogance could lead him to just ignore you, especially if he was scumreading you at the time which I believe he was?
I'll try to take another look at it tomorrow, especially if you remind me, but I might not even have time to finish looking at The Shining
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Hm, I'm actually worried that I'm not coherent enough to put together a case right now... I'm not sure that I'm thinking straight.
Someone else look through it. A few specific things that I noticed in the first two pages of The Shining's filter:
His townread of GlowingBear (second post of game) doesn't match the explanation (explanation is all the reasons why GlowingBear is suspicious, nothing at all why he is towny)
Some flaws in his scumread of MoosyDoosy (specifically picking on MoosyDoosy's post to GlowingBear, there's a lot of time in between the post where MoosyDoosy explained reads and the unexplained reads post, also note that the same people aren't mentioned in both posts, and MoosyDoosy says that the post with the unexplained reads are the only ones he's sure about, thus they are the important ones)
The LightningStrike thing as described above, but I'm not sure if this is important at all or not because I'm too sleepy to know if I'm making sense
When raynpelikoneet votes for LightningStrike, The Shining seems surprised, despite seemingly being suspicious of LightningStrike all game long
Completely drops his scumread of MoosyDoosy when he returns, which is strange because of the case he made
Seems to be reaching for reasons to scumread coolTLname, doesn't seem to join the wagon naturally
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On October 03 2015 18:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Trfel who else do you think is mafia? No clue.
@Rels, it's alignment indicative because if mafia wants to join a wagon and wants to look better, they'll make up their own reasons for joining it. Sometimes these reasons aren't so good.
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But if I check the silly meta point.....
Student Mafia V
On January 18 2015 09:49 The Shining wrote:
Fee Fi Fo Fum. Last night, I couldn't handle my rum. =/ Just gonna dive right into it because reading all of this at once has a bunch of thoughts screaming at me.
Geript - I'm right here and Post 3 needs to be another good one. I don't have much past experience to go on with Trfel openings, and even less with yours, but if more of your posts look like post 1 as opposed to 2, I could see you being Town. The first post was a lot of seemingly genuine analysis in the first post, with a bullet list of questions. However, if you're really sticking to 10 posts, I'm not sure I understand the reasoning in helping Town with your 2nd post. Even more of a waste of a post since half of it was wanting to double check a read on a modkilled player. Of course, you had no idea that would happen but I really wish there was more in that 2nd post. The 1st post did mention a possible association read? I think thats what its called. More thoughts to follow on that when I get to DP. Null leaning Town.
Damdred - Hey boo, sorry I'm late. FYI, I came into this game needing you to bleed town something unreal. You did way too good of a job in past games playing scum and misdirecting Town. That being said, it looks like your questioning is actually coming from a genuine place. I do want to point out that you've been straightforward with questioning a few people, from Cool to Tr. You're either really trying to figure out this game, or trying very hard to scattershot suspicion everywhere to seem contributive. The pressure on Trfel recently makes me think its the former. Slight Town lean.
LS - I lost track of how many times you used the words meta and meta reads in your filter. I understand there isn't much to go off of D1 but I at one point suspected you might not be able to scumread anyone else as scum yourself and decided to rely on someone slipping and doing something they did in a past game as scum so you can jump on that instead. The more I read through you, though, the more you convinced me you were scumhunting. Even though your posts can be a bit erratic and you sometimes backtrack on your own train of thoughts, you also did that in the last Newbie Mini as Town. You also seem pretty fearless in talking and responding to others, something scum would double and triple check before doing for fear of slipping. Slight Town.
RSo - Strong Town. I've played with her a bunch and her hitting the track running with questions and early pressure for Trfel's Geript vote fits perfectly with her Town meta. She very much so hit me the same way in Mini when I questioned if she was bluehunting. Also she is very transparent with her questions and suspicions and makes it clear she was questioning Trfels motives for the vote, not immediately scumming him. In my experience, Town is more careful about who to scumread and lynch in the fear of killing a blue.
JJB - That entrance is bad and you should feel bad. Lol jk but seriously, D1 lynch is most important in my opinion. You learn much more about who posted/voted during the day with a D1 lynch, as well as running a chance of an awesome D1 scum lynch. Otherwise, we have to hope for a Doc save, assuming we even have one, or we start D2 with minimal info and a NK that could be detrimental to Town winning. This brings me to my next point. Although at face value, the fact that you responded to why you thought the No lynch was a good idea seemed believable to me, it struck me as odd that you thought you didn't see a Cop/Doctor setup(setup A) and that sent you on a full Google search for Mafia strats and that's how you came up with the NL. Mate, couldn't you just check the OP and see at least one setup did in fact have a cop + doc? And in an open setup game, how sure can you be that any of the 3 setups is the one we're playing? The only way you'd know that is as scum. Was that a slip? The rest of your posts are responses and defenses to questions about your opening, and summaries. I could maybe be convinced to lynch but the fact that you are asking questions of Damdred as well as responding thinks you might deserve a Lil BoD for D1, at least. Suspicious, not really seeing Town, could lynch.
Trfel - On January 24 2015 10:10 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 03:00 LoneMeow wrote:On January 23 2015 20:40 The Shining wrote:
If you had to lynch someone that wasn't Breshke today, who would it be and why?
Damdred or you. I like geript a bit more town now, and I'm not quite ready to lynch DarthPunk yet despite getting more paranoid about him. Well, at least I got the who. Low hanging fruit in me, basically inactive town. ##Vote:LoneMeow I might be willing to pull off of you if you can explain what makes us more suspicious than anyone else but I've been weary of you for a while and your appearances now make it worse. Still feels like you are just looking for an easy place to drop your vote. You have no real case aside from Breshke once he scummed you(OMGUS?) and the 3 people you've scummed or been suspicious of are Bresh, Damdred, myself, all of whom have earlier posts directly questioning you and commenting on your filter. The inconsistencies pointed out in some of your posts seem hastily thrown together, not a genuine effort to look into anyone. Had planned on posting more including responding to Bresh asking me to explain my DP town read(which is weakest of the 3, hence why its bottom) but Friday nights at work are hectic, been working on this post on my tablet for about an hour. Going to look through DP's filter for the specific posts that made me lean town on him. But I'm here, should be in and out for the next 2-3 hours if anyone wants to bounce anything off of me. His first and last major reads posts of the game. There's plenty of other examples in between too. Note how he makes his cases like he's talking to the people he's writing about.
Generic Boring Mini Mafia
On May 19 2015 04:31 The Shining wrote:
Fck it, I'll just keep posting until I get where I'm going.
Stutters, why would you point out we've been in 3 recent games together, call me out saying I "should know" you don't D1 and that you're a bad policy lynch, and then turn around and do pretty much the same to me? If I "should know" you and your D1, you "should know" I open every game just talking shit and defensive to anyone who so breathes my way as town on D1. You should also know I don't play much on Mondays/Tuesdays, similar to your "I dont play weekends" excuse that you said I also "should know."
So why the hell do standards for me reading you apply due to past games but you don't apply to the same standards? Seems like a shit attempt at trying to scum me for things I've done in all of my town games, to varying degrees. Here's an instance of this happening from The Shining as town.On May 21 2015 04:47 The Shining wrote:I am here. Ish. Forced to go back to work but now I have tons of time for this game. Let me finish catching up and I'll finally be able to fully play. I'm quite behind so if there are cases you think should take priority for me to weigh in on, let me know. Initial thoughts: Stutters might be scum but I'm not sold on it just yet. I didn't like the case on me for obvious reasons but I suppose it can be expected from someone who doesn't do d1. He's also right that afaik his meta, he doesn't deliver on promises as both alignments. However, his D2 is a lot more telling. I'll revisit him closer to EoD. I'm weary of Damdred but a lot of it has to do with not wanting to be pocketed lol. The meta read on me is so accurate, it hurts The Vivax vote after townreading him is questionable but I also sheeped Palmars case. I could lean either way on him but he's townier side of null right now. I want to filterdive now that I have time at work but I think I could lynch Palmar. Maybe I just feel bad about sheeping his case into a mislynch but I need to see the timing of the case. Iirc, the wagons were Obi and Shockey beforehand, could've been saving one of them. Ok I'm doing too much thinking out loud. I'll be back after I look up some stuff. But as shown, it seems to be very infrequent.
Newbie Student Mafia VII
On April 12 2015 16:29 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 10:48 Stutters695 wrote:On April 11 2015 08:39 jarjarbinks wrote:
Hmm The flip flop begins lol
So I previously wasn't a huge fan of Stutters so far. I'm changing my mind.
Sure, Onegu voted Breshke before. There wasn't too much traction on him before that IMO. He made a case and it looked like he thought it was pretty good. It seems like he has been scumhunting around since then.
I expect him to show his "top four" and his reads besides Breshke. But he did just get in the game. I don't see him as lynchable right now at all. Was wondering how long it would take someone to notice that. Was really hoping it'd be a newbie to see their reaction, but can't win them all. Ace: obv policy lynch, nothing more. I'm less confident in seeing an increase in posting from him if we give him time, do he's my fall back if I can't get my main lynch going. Currently I still want Breshke's head. I'm not sure how to vocalize it exactly, but he just feels off. I still see plenty of scum mindset behind his actions and skimming his past 4 (2 scum, 2 town) games day 1 hasn't put me at ease. His play so far doesn't match either meta really. As town he has much more focus in his posts. He might change his mind, but if he saw something he didn't like (my post for example) he would challenge it until he's satisfied, not brush it off. There is also a distinct lack of interaction with the people he suspects. His scum meta does seem to withhold reads until later, but after dying n1 and n2, I can see why he would attempt to change that. He's currently who I want to lynch. The other two I'm really interested in are prpl and plot, but I haven't had the time to really get into them yet. Can you rephrase that question about interactions with Onegu? If you mean us playing together, we have, but nothing notable from memory. This post stands out to me regarding Stutters. From what I've read so far and the filters I've dove, I've got a few preliminary reads that I'd be more than willing to explain after this. The way he mentions Ace as a "fallback" lynch just doesn't feel right. It's more of a tone read and I'm aware Ace hadn't done much before being replaced but writing off a newbie because you don't feel he'll increase in posting on D1 doesn't feel right. And I have Breshke as a town lean so naturally, it raises questions that he'd want to lynch him. He also mentions being suspicious of plot(flipped VT) and prpl. So that's 2 town and a town lean he'd be willing to lynch, before ultimately(and effortlessly) sheeping onto plot over his poor EoD antics. I've yet to read prpl and there's a lot more than that for me to read as well, but I'll continue trying to catch up and answer as best I can. For example.
Got about halfway through, didn't notice a single instance of it.
Then of course his most recent town game, where I didn't notice it a single time.
On October 02 2015 05:00 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 11:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:
ok first step is to lynch coolTLname 100% D2. There is zero reason for him to have refused to listen to everything that people were stating against rsoultin. The ease with which he pulls out reasons to townread her disturbs me as well. This is most likely a case of TMI where he knows the alignments so finds it easy to be certain on this read. Moosy falling farther down my list, tbh. So you agreed with me on my coolTL read which means you're aware of my reads but you didn't mention the fact that I have RSo as town. Technically I also refused to listen to the cases on her because I've played with her multiple times and I'm pretty sure she's town, even after everything. It reminds me of her back and forth with Geript in Student V and they were both town. Second time this game.On October 02 2015 11:51 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 11:41 rsoultin wrote:
if it's me you haven't really been hiding it so well, tbf -stretches-
i'm kind of disappointed that no one cares :/ though i guess it's not terribly important if this is an auto-lynch cool day Well that's what I don't get. Yes, he should've been lynched D1. Yes, I think he's scum. But the auto lynch attitude is going to lead us into complacency and I'm not okay with that. Especially when people are hiding reads. Cough cough. Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 11:46 coolTLname wrote:
so there was someone who said i was role hunting 101 with my Can medics heal themselves question do u guys remember who that was? look into him. I wasn't role hunting btw, i was actually trying to look like a medic , probably shouldn't have done that but o well. I swore it was the shining but i cant find it lol
and rayn and GB i have decent arguments in my filter on these two.
GL !
OK srsly please stop this. This is your 2nd give up post, and we still have 40+ hours left in this day phase. Instead of asking if anyone remembers who asked about you too hunting, why not use your time to find it yourself? How many times are you going to declare your innocence but then do jack shit about it? This reads like a scum post just trying to get people to waste time on shit we dont need to waste time on. And it wasn't me that said you were role hunting but thanks for trying to pin that on me. -1 And a third time.
I'm going to stop here for now. It's obviously not a 100% indicator, but as far as silly meta points go, it doesn't seem that bad.
I'll take a closer look at The Shining's filter (using the conventional method) tomorrow.
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On October 03 2015 21:25 rsoultin wrote:
like you can insist that i should never have suspected him in the first place, but honestly the same could be said for him. the reverse is true, is it not? if he's town and i'm scum shouldn't scum be piling on him? including me? yet he suspected me anyway
so unless you think we're both scum, the only conclusion that you can draw from this is that it does not make a player scum because they didn't consider that at some point in the game ^^ and instead focused on other things Thanks for that. I really appreciate it.
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Hm, I think that rsoultin is mafia.
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Rsoultin, lynch The Shining with me?
Or was I being really stupid last night?
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I'm going to lynch The Shining with whoever wants to lynch scum, then.
Rels is actually working with me, so he gets a pass for today. Even if he's mafia, he's much more enjoyable to play with than some of these other people, and he does give the impression that he's actually trying to solve the game (even if he gives this impression as scum as well, though I didn't read his scum game).
I'll look at MoosyDoosy after.
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On October 04 2015 01:52 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2015 01:50 Trfel wrote:
I'm going to lynch The Shining with whoever wants to lynch scum, then.
Rels is actually working with me, so he gets a pass for today. Even if he's mafia, he's much more enjoyable to play with than some of these other people, and he does give the impression that he's actually trying to solve the game (even if he gives this impression as scum as well, though I didn't read his scum game).
I'll look at MoosyDoosy after. Well here is his scum game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494436-season-of-the-witch-2?user=Rels Thanks, I didn't realize that the database existed and that I could use filters myself
I also didn't realize that I could just use Rels' profile to find his most recent game easily, never done that before
Simply put, I don't care about anything other than The Shining right now. I might start caring later.
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On October 04 2015 01:55 Damdred wrote:
Your wrong about shining I think. Oh, I see now. Thanks, I'll make sure to lynch someone else.
............
Why?
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On October 04 2015 01:58 Damdred wrote:
I've explained this 10 times, its all about emotion in posts that he can't fake. Or how he approaches the game. You might say that hes only focused on cool but its not just been today that hes focused on him he was one of the first that called him out and tried to lead a lynch on him.
As scum hes much more back ground and only hops on already moving train, can't get any emotion up in game and is a lot more mechanical with how he posts.
Hes really towny this game. You're sure of this because of his one scum game he played so long ago?
Also, I don't really notice any emotion from his filter except for emotion relating to out-of-game stuff. I see no reason that he couldn't apply true emotions from out of the game and just talk about them in the game?
I'm terrible at showing emotion as mafia. However, I know that it's really easy to do when it's true emotion caused by something other than the game. Or caused by a different source than what I say it is.
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****, just lost my post
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Rsoultin, do you really expect The Shining to make the posts towards LightningStrike that he does early in the game?
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Generally I feel that it's bad form to vote for people before reading all of their filter, but here it feels like the right thing to do.
##vote The Shining
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On October 04 2015 02:35 Rels wrote:
I'm not lynching shining over coolTLname Give me a bit of time.
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On October 04 2015 03:42 Damdred wrote:
i'm voting for cool cause shining is pretty towny You're really going to have to explain this. I don't have the experience that you have playing with The Shining on whatever site it is. If this is all meta, please explain it to me.
I don't see The Shining being emotional at all except in ways where it is clearly not towny or when it's not relating to the game. I've explained why that isn't town indicative. You haven't tried to argue that I'm wrong.
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The Shining
Please note:
- This case got quite long as I was writing it. Due to the length of the case, all of the embedded quotes and TL code, and the time of day, I'm not going to go back through and remove the self-notes that I left in the case.
- The Shining did start looking into my (Trfel's) alignment mid Day 2, and that looks very good for him. However, I would have expected this to happen much sooner. Some of my later points referring to this should possibly be dismissed, though the earlier ones are still valid.
- The Shining did follow up with his "on the fence" read on MoosyDoosy, just far later than I would have expected.
The Case
- As town, The Shining generally addresses everyone in the thread when explaining his scumreads. As mafia, The Shining often addresses only his scumread when explaining his scumread. This game, there are several examples of The Shining addressing his scumread when explaining his scumread.
+ Show Spoiler +First, explaining your scumread to your scumread is simply bad. If your scumread is mafia, you shouldn't be explaining to them why they are mafia, or what it was that they did wrong. That feels more like "haha, I got you on this one, here's what you did wrong!!" rather than "Hey, I solved the game!" I did find one example of The Shining doing this in a town game. However, that's the only example I found in three town games from him. The Shining only has one scum game in the database, but he still made many cases addressed to his scumreads in that game. For a more detailed look at the games I looked at, with examples, see this post, or look at the database.
- The Shining's early analysis post on MoosyDoosy is forced
+ Show Spoiler +On September 30 2015 11:57 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2015 10:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 30 2015 10:54 The Shining wrote:On September 29 2015 08:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:
It's a sad day when the only person who turns out to be town is LS. In your filter right now. What made you say this? lol be prepared, my filter is an absolute disaster. On September 30 2015 09:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I actually think this game is fairly easy after reading through it a second time without the schizophrenic paranoid painkiller druggy glasses. You have to traverse pages of my arguments with rsoul where things finally became more or less clear for me. You weren't kidding. LoL. But I'm really on the fence about you, yuck. See posts like these read town to me at first glance because of clear reads and quotes to support what you're saying: Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 12:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 29 2015 12:20 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 12:14 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Well, no one has struck out to me as Mafia immediately, so I’m just waiting for a good case on someone to sheep. Not to mention, Shining and coolTLname haven’t posted yet, and the GB/rayn question remains up in the air. I don’t feel like going into sicklucker/J Roc today because I feel that’ll settle itself over time. dunno how I feel about marv. you still only got one townread? might want to get on that if you plan on being a sheeplermuffin, especially with the one townread you have why is he town? something more concrete than your earlier read on me, please and also i want your vote >> give it me LS is town for attempting to do what I managed to accomplish (redirecting the thread seriously). Eh, tone reasons and blah. Damdred looks town. Emotional Damdred over having his posts ignored although his reactions to his own shenanigans were strange at the start. rsoul is very sadly, unfortunately, i may have been on the wrong track, town. Managed to glean her direction and she's drawing the conclusions that make her look like town! rsoul. everyone else is kind of a null. I'm sure I can manage to stir something up to get more reads though. It's worthy to note that the nulls should sort themselves out. Mainly GB/rayn and J Roc/sicklucker. No way to read Shining/coolTLname/Rels. Don’t know how to read marv or Trfel. And no I refuse to give you my vote ma’am. Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 22:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:I just went ahead and plucked out a few quotes: On September 29 2015 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:On September 29 2015 07:03 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 07:02 LightningStrike wrote:On September 29 2015 07:00 Trfel wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Welcome to the Wonderful World of Trfel!
(musical version) As some of you may know, I really appreciate instrumental music. As with most things, my knowledge of classical music is very limited (I only know a few of the major symphonies, for example), but that doesn't stop me from enjoying music. My tastes in music are fairly strange and specific, which I suppose comes partly from my musical background. I have no real music theory education, but I have been playing trumpet for a while, throughout grade school and continuing in college. I like to think that I'm quite good at it, but unfortunately musical instruments are very challenging for most people and it would take me far more effort than I feel comfortable giving to get my trumpet playing to the next level. So I'm stuck playing in one of the boring bands at the university, which just has a bunch of people who feel like playing their instrument once in a while but aren't terribly good at it. And I've found myself really losing my appreciation for playing and practicing trumpet, which is very sad because I've spent so much time working on my trumpet playing over the past five years or so, but I'm not sure if there is anything that I can do about it. But I still enjoy music a ton. Not just listening to it, but being a part of it. So I'm trying to learn how to compose music. It's quite difficult because I have no formal theory training (just whatever I've picked up over my years with trumpet and coming from a fairly musical family), and my piano playing skills are next to zero (and piano playing is basically how everyone composes music). So it will definitely be a difficult learning period, but I hope that I can push through it. I have a keyboard in my room now, full 88 keys. I've tried to play it several times, but I'm so bad that it's painful to listen to myself. If anyone has any tips for starting on the piano, I'm very interested XD But the piano has proved useful for testing new chords and progressions for my songs. I don't have much yet, and the progress is slow, but I'm hoping that I can figure out how to compose proper music. I generally enjoy music with heavier usage of brass instruments (I do play trumpet, after all). John Williams has done some incredible things with brass in many of his famous movie scores and other compositions. In particular, his french horn usage is amazing. I also found an old CD of some Miklos Rosza film music, and that's been really enjoyable as well. The style of music used in film scores seems very fun to compose, play, and listen to, as there is much more freedom in the music itself (though modern movies tend to utilize the musical score more for background only, and don't use a recurring melody that brings the music directly to people's attention, which I find a bit lacking). Despite having basically no idea what I'm doing, I'm very excited about the possibilities and hope to create some good songs. One great band piece to end the post (or at least, I think it's a great band piece ): TLDR please? Also guys I'm town this game let's get some scum lynched! TLDR: yada yada music yada not posting cause music yada yada Marry me On September 29 2015 07:18 GlowingBear wrote:On September 29 2015 07:16 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 07:12 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:
O hai!
I'm town truffle took your position. next phase Please explain, I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at here? I mean, yeah, I'd just like to have you explain this post please ^^ i see you bby you know it me and my third eye of amaze. or am i wrong and you're not being the gb acolyte, just trying to imitate the finer whiskies? (is that how you spell they plural for whisky? o.0) He is not my acolyte, he is my successor On September 29 2015 07:21 GlowingBear wrote:On September 29 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:On September 29 2015 07:19 Damdred wrote:
Ok I have a couple terrible town reads Is this going to be the theme for early Day 1? This just going to a shitfest..... Ok I have a couple of terrible town reads On September 29 2015 07:17 GlowingBear wrote:On September 29 2015 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 29 2015 07:07 Damdred wrote:
Damdred is looking for a professional sexy person to welcome into his loving towny arms. All applicants will be screened please apply below.
Requirements:
A good person to team up with
Has to not doubt my alignment once n1 hits or on weekends when I'm busy
Must not ignore my posts or talk over me
must have a good voice
and be funny
and like walks
Please apply for my townfriend i have a good voice, maybe? i might be funny. i enjoy walks. enough? Rayn who is with you in your scum qt? All of these posts are very bland. Like they're supposed to be banter but it's almost a sea of gray as if GB is forcing(?)/faking(?) the banter. Which just made me more suspicious when he started focusing on Trfel/Damdred straight away. I don't know GB's meta too well so I'm not sure if he's normally this focused or not. The thing is that he did bring two good points on Trfel and Damdred. This combination of not being sure about GB's meta and how he's bringing up good things made me town lean him for a while. But then you have posts like these that just rub me the wrong way because it doesn't make sense to me: Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 21:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:
GB, claiming I'm Mafia when I didn't even explain my reads is bad. Especially when I just entered the thread and didn't have much time to answer questions. Because you claim you didn't explain your reads but you posted this post: Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 21:37 MoosyDoosy wrote:
The problem with this game isn't so much that there are no scum reads, it's that there are too many people I'm not townreading.
- marv is town
- Rels is town
- Damdred is town
- Lightningstrike is town
Only people I'm certain of at this point.
Oh yeah, GB is town lean. hm...rayn is scum lean. AFTER this post: Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 12:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 29 2015 12:20 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 12:14 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Well, no one has struck out to me as Mafia immediately, so I’m just waiting for a good case on someone to sheep. Not to mention, Shining and coolTLname haven’t posted yet, and the GB/rayn question remains up in the air. I don’t feel like going into sicklucker/J Roc today because I feel that’ll settle itself over time. dunno how I feel about marv. you still only got one townread? might want to get on that if you plan on being a sheeplermuffin, especially with the one townread you have why is he town? something more concrete than your earlier read on me, please and also i want your vote >> give it me LS is town for attempting to do what I managed to accomplish (redirecting the thread seriously). Eh, tone reasons and blah. Damdred looks town. Emotional Damdred over having his posts ignored although his reactions to his own shenanigans were strange at the start. rsoul is very sadly, unfortunately, i may have been on the wrong track, town. Managed to glean her direction and she's drawing the conclusions that make her look like town! rsoul. everyone else is kind of a null. I'm sure I can manage to stir something up to get more reads though. It's worthy to note that the nulls should sort themselves out. Mainly GB/rayn and J Roc/sicklucker. No way to read Shining/coolTLname/Rels. Don’t know how to read marv or Trfel. And no I refuse to give you my vote ma’am. TLDR You said GB was bad for calling you scum when you didn't even explain your reads but you explained your reads before making that list with no explanations. And you went from idk how to read Marv to Marv town. That's the only unexplained one att. This is a fairly long post. For the conclusion of "I'm on the fence". No questions for MoosyDoosy either. I'm not sure what the purpose is for town to post this. Furthermore, the point that The Shining gives about MoosyDoosy's post to GlowingBear shows a lack of thought. MoosyDoosy makes a reads post on several people in the thread and then leaves for 11 hours and 9 minutes. When he comes back, he makes a read post with four certain town reads, one scum lean, and one town lean, but he doesn't explain them. After this post, GlowingBear says that MoosyDoosy is mafia, and MoosyDoosy says it's bad that GlowingBear would call him mafia instead of waiting for his reasons for these reads. The Shining's argument is that MoosyDoosy already explained his reads in the other post that he quoted. Only two of the six people mentioned in MoosyDoosy's later post were people that MoosyDoosy had given a read on in his earlier post. This is something that The Shining should always see. The only explanation is that The Shining was rushed through this. So back to the original question, why is The Shining making this post? A long analysis post with no conclusion and no questions isn't terribly useful, except as perhaps a point of discussion or to share thoughts to be followed up on later (except The Shining doesn't talk about MoosyDoosy or follow up on this at all, more on that later). But the analysis is rushed and therefore has a flaw. The Shining entered the thread late. He apologized for his late entrance and being busy. This post feels like a post made to get townread, not a post made to find scum, as it doesn't really have much purpose (especially without the followup) and is rushed.
- The Shining's followup to his early series of posts suggests that he's playing to get townread, not to find scum
+ Show Spoiler +On September 30 2015 09:57 The Shining wrote:
Moosy and Trfel are question marks for me that I won't give a read on until I'm done filter diving them. This is why The Shining was filter diving MoosyDoosy. You would expect him to filter dive me next. He doesn't. The Shining was townread by many people for his first series of posts. On September 30 2015 12:05 sicklucker wrote:
shining is so town it hurts. never seen him post before let alone a post that big when he bizzy On September 30 2015 12:27 Damdred wrote:
Hi, shining is pretty towny good guy so far.
On September 30 2015 12:27 rsoultin wrote:
dododo
recreating town circles
-gathers truffle, shining and damdy into the fold- ^^
brain trust! \o/
not lynching moosy, rayn or sl today...i think i'll add cool here...he smells of newbie newness
ye i'm being female...so sue me
i think i actually want to lynch into rels, marv and scott
on whims, magic, and gut feels And after this, The Shining's effort level and analysis drops off. He's busy, he's phone posting, I get it. It's not a 100% argument, but it is still suspicious. There is a followup section to this argument later. Note to self, did he ever filter dive me? Did he ever post an analysis post like the MoosyDoosy one again?
- Push on coolTLname doesn't feel natural
+ Show Spoiler +This section has two parts. The second is much more important than the first.
I think that this point is an opinion, and it's hard to explain. To me, there were several points that people had to lynch coolTLname, and The Shining spent most of his time talking about his own reason that he was suspicious of coolTLname (that coolTLname said he would check marvellosity's past games and never did). I don't find this point terribly interesting, especially after it's been mentioned a few times, since then if coolTLname does go back and check marvellosity's past games there's the "he just did it to be townread!" argument. Basically, there's no point for The Shining to keep bringing this point up, not over all of the other points that have been brought up. And then when coolTLname says that marvellosity is irrelevant, which makes a fair amount of sense from his perspective if you are willing to actually try and understand what he's saying instead of just reading the words, The Shining seems to use that as a reason to be even more suspicious of coolTLname. I don't see The Shining using critical thinking here, it seems like he's trying to invent his own reason to join the coolTLname wagon. However, this is an opinion, and I can understand how people disagree.
The more interesting thing here is what DOESN'T happen. Here's the vote count at the time that The Shining returns to the thread. rsoultin (4): Trfel, marvellosity, raynpelikoneet, scott31337 GlowingBear (3): rsoultin, Damdred, coolTLname Trfel (2): LightningStrike, sicklucker coolTLname (2): Rels, GlowingBear raynpelikoneet (1): MoosyDoosy If he had time, you would expect him to read my filter, which he hasn't done yet. But even that aside, he should be interested in the pushes on rsoultin and GlowingBear. In my summary of the thread sentiment/direction at the time, I cited those as the main wagons. The Shining does say that he thinks that rsoultin is still town, just for different reasons. But he never seems to check the reasons that marvellosity and raynpelikoneet had for pushing rsoultin, which I could have expected him to do. I don't think he looks at the reasons for the GlowingBear lynch at all either. He never gives a new read on GlowingBear. When raynpelikoneet votes for LightningStrike, The Shining asks him why. However, The Shining doesn't seem very interested in actually lynching LightningStrike, despite being suspicious of him for the entire game. I don't see any drive from The Shining to investigate LightningStrike at all here. Since The Shining says here that coolTLname and LightningStrike can't be mafia together, one would expect him to be much more interested in LightningStrike's alignment, given that he's lynching coolTLname. Furthermore, after the Day 1 lynch, The Shining spends several posts exlaining to coolTLname why he is 100% mafia. This doesn't make sense from a town standpoint at all.
- After Day 1, The Shining seems content to follow the thread sentiment and I don't see him putting in the effort that I would expect from him as town
+ Show Spoiler +On October 02 2015 06:18 The Shining wrote:I believe in cool. I need to revisit the RSo cases but your last summary post of her actions are starting to make me wonder, if its all true. This wouldn't be the first time I hard towned scum RSo =/ but her play that game was different. LS is questionable/bad town at best, scum at worst but I still live in a world where both him and cool can't be scum. =/ LS sheeped onto cool and idk if he's confident enough as scum to bus D1. And yeah Moosy is/should be on that list, too, if LS or cool were to flip town. So he basically just agrees with raynpelikoneet's reads. And he admits that he never really investigated if raynpelikoneet's reasons for scumreading rsoultin were good or not, which he really should have given some attention to as town. He also doesn't seem very interested in looking into LightningStrike's alignment, which as previously explained, is very important since he is scumreading coolTLname and he says that they can't be scum together. It also feels like The Shining follows the thread sentiment with regards to MoosyDoosy. He's apparently on the fence on MoosyDoosy for all of Day 1 and Night 1, but never bothers to engage other people in discussing MoosyDoosy (despite at one point listing this as his third strongest suspicion). When thread sentiment shifts clearly to suspecting MoosyDoosy, The Shining shifts with it. As Day 2 starts, The Shining's push on MoosyDoosy looks much better, but the original shift of suspicion with the thread sentiment feels mafia motivated. Furthermore, this progression doesn't make sense. First he says that he's voting for coolTLname and coolTLname should have been lynched on Day 1. Then he says that he doesn't like auto lynches and Day 2 shouldn't be an auto lynch day (I don't see him doing anything at all to help with this, note to self, does he ever look into actually lynching anyone other than coolTLname?). Finally, he says this to coolTLname. On October 02 2015 11:51 The Shining wrote:
OK srsly please stop this. This is your 2nd give up post, and we still have 40+ hours left in this day phase. Instead of asking if anyone remembers who asked about you too hunting, why not use your time to find it yourself? How many times are you going to declare your innocence but then do jack shit about it? This reads like a scum post just trying to get people to waste time on shit we dont need to waste time on.
And it wasn't me that said you were role hunting but thanks for trying to pin that on me. -1 CoolTLname has been The Shining's top scum read for the entire game. It's the thing he's most consistent on throughout his filter. His scumread on coolTLname has been strong enough for The Shining to not want to lynch LightningStrike, his other consistent scumread throughout his filter. But here, he's talking to coolTLname as if coolTLname is town (I admit that I generally don't like this argument, but here it seems stronger). He's telling coolTLname how to play a better town game while calling him scum twice. And getting frustrated at his strongest scumread for being scummy. I could understand this if The Shining seemed to doubt coolTLname's alignment, but he doesn't. I don't think he really looks into anyone else after this (note to self, check this), in which case this post has no place in a town mindset. On October 03 2015 04:40 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 11:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:
did anyone notice he literally revokes everything he said and did in that post of his... Actually yeah wow this. Bah Moosy can be town, there's no way we keep having mind melds like this. This is a very strange post, but there isn't that much mafia motivation for The Shining to post this (some, but not a significant amount). I'll leave this here as a note for anyone who wants to try and investigate more. On October 03 2015 05:05 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 14:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Trfel which one of us do you believe is right? Did Trfel ever answer this? All I saw was him saying he thought cool was town and that their talk was getting nowhere. After saying he'd lynch cool because even if he's town because he's not helpful to town. That's a weird progression and considering I think rayn is town and cool is scum, it seems pretty weird to not take a side here or even analyze what the arguments they had against each other were. Okay, so he's a bit suspicious of me (Trfel) as well. He does eventually look into my alignment, which is good for him, but he never finishes with this. Also, note that he doesn't seem to look at LightningStrike at all, despite noticing that raynpelikoneet argued that LightningStrike and coolTLname can be mafia together. He just says that he's interested in raynpelikoneet's argument, but doesn't follow up on the argument itself or on LightningStrike.
Conclusion
The Shining only used filter diving analysis twice in the game (early Day 1 on MoosyDoosy, and mid Day 2 on Trfel). Along with his read progression, he seems to be playing more to get townread instead of to find mafia. He also shows that his mindset is not a town mindset on several occasions.
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On October 04 2015 04:17 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2015 04:04 Trfel wrote:The ShiningPlease note: - This case got quite long as I was writing it. Due to the length of the case, all of the embedded quotes and TL code, and the time of day, I'm not going to go back through and remove the self-notes that I left in the case.
- The Shining did start looking into my (Trfel's) alignment mid Day 2, and that looks very good for him. However, I would have expected this to happen much sooner. Some of my later points referring to this should possibly be dismissed, though the earlier ones are still valid.
- The Shining did follow up with his "on the fence" read on MoosyDoosy, just far later than I would have expected.
The Case- As town, The Shining generally addresses everyone in the thread when explaining his scumreads. As mafia, The Shining often addresses only his scumread when explaining his scumread. This game, there are several examples of The Shining addressing his scumread when explaining his scumread.
+ Show Spoiler +First, explaining your scumread to your scumread is simply bad. If your scumread is mafia, you shouldn't be explaining to them why they are mafia, or what it was that they did wrong. That feels more like "haha, I got you on this one, here's what you did wrong!!" rather than "Hey, I solved the game!" I did find one example of The Shining doing this in a town game. However, that's the only example I found in three town games from him. The Shining only has one scum game in the database, but he still made many cases addressed to his scumreads in that game. For a more detailed look at the games I looked at, with examples, see this post, or look at the database.
- The Shining's early analysis post on MoosyDoosy is forced
+ Show Spoiler +On September 30 2015 11:57 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2015 10:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 30 2015 10:54 The Shining wrote:On September 29 2015 08:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:
It's a sad day when the only person who turns out to be town is LS. In your filter right now. What made you say this? lol be prepared, my filter is an absolute disaster. On September 30 2015 09:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I actually think this game is fairly easy after reading through it a second time without the schizophrenic paranoid painkiller druggy glasses. You have to traverse pages of my arguments with rsoul where things finally became more or less clear for me. You weren't kidding. LoL. But I'm really on the fence about you, yuck. See posts like these read town to me at first glance because of clear reads and quotes to support what you're saying: Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 12:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 29 2015 12:20 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 12:14 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Well, no one has struck out to me as Mafia immediately, so I’m just waiting for a good case on someone to sheep. Not to mention, Shining and coolTLname haven’t posted yet, and the GB/rayn question remains up in the air. I don’t feel like going into sicklucker/J Roc today because I feel that’ll settle itself over time. dunno how I feel about marv. you still only got one townread? might want to get on that if you plan on being a sheeplermuffin, especially with the one townread you have why is he town? something more concrete than your earlier read on me, please and also i want your vote >> give it me LS is town for attempting to do what I managed to accomplish (redirecting the thread seriously). Eh, tone reasons and blah. Damdred looks town. Emotional Damdred over having his posts ignored although his reactions to his own shenanigans were strange at the start. rsoul is very sadly, unfortunately, i may have been on the wrong track, town. Managed to glean her direction and she's drawing the conclusions that make her look like town! rsoul. everyone else is kind of a null. I'm sure I can manage to stir something up to get more reads though. It's worthy to note that the nulls should sort themselves out. Mainly GB/rayn and J Roc/sicklucker. No way to read Shining/coolTLname/Rels. Don’t know how to read marv or Trfel. And no I refuse to give you my vote ma’am. Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 22:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:I just went ahead and plucked out a few quotes: On September 29 2015 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:On September 29 2015 07:03 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 07:02 LightningStrike wrote:On September 29 2015 07:00 Trfel wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Welcome to the Wonderful World of Trfel!
(musical version) As some of you may know, I really appreciate instrumental music. As with most things, my knowledge of classical music is very limited (I only know a few of the major symphonies, for example), but that doesn't stop me from enjoying music. My tastes in music are fairly strange and specific, which I suppose comes partly from my musical background. I have no real music theory education, but I have been playing trumpet for a while, throughout grade school and continuing in college. I like to think that I'm quite good at it, but unfortunately musical instruments are very challenging for most people and it would take me far more effort than I feel comfortable giving to get my trumpet playing to the next level. So I'm stuck playing in one of the boring bands at the university, which just has a bunch of people who feel like playing their instrument once in a while but aren't terribly good at it. And I've found myself really losing my appreciation for playing and practicing trumpet, which is very sad because I've spent so much time working on my trumpet playing over the past five years or so, but I'm not sure if there is anything that I can do about it. But I still enjoy music a ton. Not just listening to it, but being a part of it. So I'm trying to learn how to compose music. It's quite difficult because I have no formal theory training (just whatever I've picked up over my years with trumpet and coming from a fairly musical family), and my piano playing skills are next to zero (and piano playing is basically how everyone composes music). So it will definitely be a difficult learning period, but I hope that I can push through it. I have a keyboard in my room now, full 88 keys. I've tried to play it several times, but I'm so bad that it's painful to listen to myself. If anyone has any tips for starting on the piano, I'm very interested XD But the piano has proved useful for testing new chords and progressions for my songs. I don't have much yet, and the progress is slow, but I'm hoping that I can figure out how to compose proper music. I generally enjoy music with heavier usage of brass instruments (I do play trumpet, after all). John Williams has done some incredible things with brass in many of his famous movie scores and other compositions. In particular, his french horn usage is amazing. I also found an old CD of some Miklos Rosza film music, and that's been really enjoyable as well. The style of music used in film scores seems very fun to compose, play, and listen to, as there is much more freedom in the music itself (though modern movies tend to utilize the musical score more for background only, and don't use a recurring melody that brings the music directly to people's attention, which I find a bit lacking). Despite having basically no idea what I'm doing, I'm very excited about the possibilities and hope to create some good songs. One great band piece to end the post (or at least, I think it's a great band piece ): TLDR please? Also guys I'm town this game let's get some scum lynched! TLDR: yada yada music yada not posting cause music yada yada Marry me On September 29 2015 07:18 GlowingBear wrote:On September 29 2015 07:16 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 07:12 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:
O hai!
I'm town truffle took your position. next phase Please explain, I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at here? I mean, yeah, I'd just like to have you explain this post please ^^ i see you bby you know it me and my third eye of amaze. or am i wrong and you're not being the gb acolyte, just trying to imitate the finer whiskies? (is that how you spell they plural for whisky? o.0) He is not my acolyte, he is my successor On September 29 2015 07:21 GlowingBear wrote:On September 29 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:On September 29 2015 07:19 Damdred wrote:
Ok I have a couple terrible town reads Is this going to be the theme for early Day 1? This just going to a shitfest..... Ok I have a couple of terrible town reads On September 29 2015 07:17 GlowingBear wrote:On September 29 2015 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 29 2015 07:07 Damdred wrote:
Damdred is looking for a professional sexy person to welcome into his loving towny arms. All applicants will be screened please apply below.
Requirements:
A good person to team up with
Has to not doubt my alignment once n1 hits or on weekends when I'm busy
Must not ignore my posts or talk over me
must have a good voice
and be funny
and like walks
Please apply for my townfriend i have a good voice, maybe? i might be funny. i enjoy walks. enough? Rayn who is with you in your scum qt? All of these posts are very bland. Like they're supposed to be banter but it's almost a sea of gray as if GB is forcing(?)/faking(?) the banter. Which just made me more suspicious when he started focusing on Trfel/Damdred straight away. I don't know GB's meta too well so I'm not sure if he's normally this focused or not. The thing is that he did bring two good points on Trfel and Damdred. This combination of not being sure about GB's meta and how he's bringing up good things made me town lean him for a while. But then you have posts like these that just rub me the wrong way because it doesn't make sense to me: Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 21:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:
GB, claiming I'm Mafia when I didn't even explain my reads is bad. Especially when I just entered the thread and didn't have much time to answer questions. Because you claim you didn't explain your reads but you posted this post: Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 21:37 MoosyDoosy wrote:
The problem with this game isn't so much that there are no scum reads, it's that there are too many people I'm not townreading.
- marv is town
- Rels is town
- Damdred is town
- Lightningstrike is town
Only people I'm certain of at this point.
Oh yeah, GB is town lean. hm...rayn is scum lean. AFTER this post: Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 12:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 29 2015 12:20 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 12:14 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Well, no one has struck out to me as Mafia immediately, so I’m just waiting for a good case on someone to sheep. Not to mention, Shining and coolTLname haven’t posted yet, and the GB/rayn question remains up in the air. I don’t feel like going into sicklucker/J Roc today because I feel that’ll settle itself over time. dunno how I feel about marv. you still only got one townread? might want to get on that if you plan on being a sheeplermuffin, especially with the one townread you have why is he town? something more concrete than your earlier read on me, please and also i want your vote >> give it me LS is town for attempting to do what I managed to accomplish (redirecting the thread seriously). Eh, tone reasons and blah. Damdred looks town. Emotional Damdred over having his posts ignored although his reactions to his own shenanigans were strange at the start. rsoul is very sadly, unfortunately, i may have been on the wrong track, town. Managed to glean her direction and she's drawing the conclusions that make her look like town! rsoul. everyone else is kind of a null. I'm sure I can manage to stir something up to get more reads though. It's worthy to note that the nulls should sort themselves out. Mainly GB/rayn and J Roc/sicklucker. No way to read Shining/coolTLname/Rels. Don’t know how to read marv or Trfel. And no I refuse to give you my vote ma’am. TLDR You said GB was bad for calling you scum when you didn't even explain your reads but you explained your reads before making that list with no explanations. And you went from idk how to read Marv to Marv town. That's the only unexplained one att. This is a fairly long post. For the conclusion of "I'm on the fence". No questions for MoosyDoosy either. I'm not sure what the purpose is for town to post this. Furthermore, the point that The Shining gives about MoosyDoosy's post to GlowingBear shows a lack of thought. MoosyDoosy makes a reads post on several people in the thread and then leaves for 11 hours and 9 minutes. When he comes back, he makes a read post with four certain town reads, one scum lean, and one town lean, but he doesn't explain them. After this post, GlowingBear says that MoosyDoosy is mafia, and MoosyDoosy says it's bad that GlowingBear would call him mafia instead of waiting for his reasons for these reads. The Shining's argument is that MoosyDoosy already explained his reads in the other post that he quoted. Only two of the six people mentioned in MoosyDoosy's later post were people that MoosyDoosy had given a read on in his earlier post. This is something that The Shining should always see. The only explanation is that The Shining was rushed through this. So back to the original question, why is The Shining making this post? A long analysis post with no conclusion and no questions isn't terribly useful, except as perhaps a point of discussion or to share thoughts to be followed up on later (except The Shining doesn't talk about MoosyDoosy or follow up on this at all, more on that later). But the analysis is rushed and therefore has a flaw. The Shining entered the thread late. He apologized for his late entrance and being busy. This post feels like a post made to get townread, not a post made to find scum, as it doesn't really have much purpose (especially without the followup) and is rushed.
- The Shining's followup to his early series of posts suggests that he's playing to get townread, not to find scum
+ Show Spoiler +On September 30 2015 09:57 The Shining wrote:
Moosy and Trfel are question marks for me that I won't give a read on until I'm done filter diving them. This is why The Shining was filter diving MoosyDoosy. You would expect him to filter dive me next. He doesn't. The Shining was townread by many people for his first series of posts. On September 30 2015 12:05 sicklucker wrote:
shining is so town it hurts. never seen him post before let alone a post that big when he bizzy On September 30 2015 12:27 Damdred wrote:
Hi, shining is pretty towny good guy so far.
On September 30 2015 12:27 rsoultin wrote:
dododo
recreating town circles
-gathers truffle, shining and damdy into the fold- ^^
brain trust! \o/
not lynching moosy, rayn or sl today...i think i'll add cool here...he smells of newbie newness
ye i'm being female...so sue me
i think i actually want to lynch into rels, marv and scott
on whims, magic, and gut feels And after this, The Shining's effort level and analysis drops off. He's busy, he's phone posting, I get it. It's not a 100% argument, but it is still suspicious. There is a followup section to this argument later. Note to self, did he ever filter dive me? Did he ever post an analysis post like the MoosyDoosy one again?
- Push on coolTLname doesn't feel natural
+ Show Spoiler +This section has two parts. The second is much more important than the first.
I think that this point is an opinion, and it's hard to explain. To me, there were several points that people had to lynch coolTLname, and The Shining spent most of his time talking about his own reason that he was suspicious of coolTLname (that coolTLname said he would check marvellosity's past games and never did). I don't find this point terribly interesting, especially after it's been mentioned a few times, since then if coolTLname does go back and check marvellosity's past games there's the "he just did it to be townread!" argument. Basically, there's no point for The Shining to keep bringing this point up, not over all of the other points that have been brought up. And then when coolTLname says that marvellosity is irrelevant, which makes a fair amount of sense from his perspective if you are willing to actually try and understand what he's saying instead of just reading the words, The Shining seems to use that as a reason to be even more suspicious of coolTLname. I don't see The Shining using critical thinking here, it seems like he's trying to invent his own reason to join the coolTLname wagon. However, this is an opinion, and I can understand how people disagree.
The more interesting thing here is what DOESN'T happen. Here's the vote count at the time that The Shining returns to the thread. rsoultin (4): Trfel, marvellosity, raynpelikoneet, scott31337 GlowingBear (3): rsoultin, Damdred, coolTLname Trfel (2): LightningStrike, sicklucker coolTLname (2): Rels, GlowingBear raynpelikoneet (1): MoosyDoosy If he had time, you would expect him to read my filter, which he hasn't done yet. But even that aside, he should be interested in the pushes on rsoultin and GlowingBear. In my summary of the thread sentiment/direction at the time, I cited those as the main wagons. The Shining does say that he thinks that rsoultin is still town, just for different reasons. But he never seems to check the reasons that marvellosity and raynpelikoneet had for pushing rsoultin, which I could have expected him to do. I don't think he looks at the reasons for the GlowingBear lynch at all either. He never gives a new read on GlowingBear. When raynpelikoneet votes for LightningStrike, The Shining asks him why. However, The Shining doesn't seem very interested in actually lynching LightningStrike, despite being suspicious of him for the entire game. I don't see any drive from The Shining to investigate LightningStrike at all here. Since The Shining says here that coolTLname and LightningStrike can't be mafia together, one would expect him to be much more interested in LightningStrike's alignment, given that he's lynching coolTLname. Furthermore, after the Day 1 lynch, The Shining spends several posts exlaining to coolTLname why he is 100% mafia. This doesn't make sense from a town standpoint at all.
- After Day 1, The Shining seems content to follow the thread sentiment and I don't see him putting in the effort that I would expect from him as town
+ Show Spoiler +On October 02 2015 06:18 The Shining wrote:I believe in cool. I need to revisit the RSo cases but your last summary post of her actions are starting to make me wonder, if its all true. This wouldn't be the first time I hard towned scum RSo =/ but her play that game was different. LS is questionable/bad town at best, scum at worst but I still live in a world where both him and cool can't be scum. =/ LS sheeped onto cool and idk if he's confident enough as scum to bus D1. And yeah Moosy is/should be on that list, too, if LS or cool were to flip town. So he basically just agrees with raynpelikoneet's reads. And he admits that he never really investigated if raynpelikoneet's reasons for scumreading rsoultin were good or not, which he really should have given some attention to as town. He also doesn't seem very interested in looking into LightningStrike's alignment, which as previously explained, is very important since he is scumreading coolTLname and he says that they can't be scum together. It also feels like The Shining follows the thread sentiment with regards to MoosyDoosy. He's apparently on the fence on MoosyDoosy for all of Day 1 and Night 1, but never bothers to engage other people in discussing MoosyDoosy (despite at one point listing this as his third strongest suspicion). When thread sentiment shifts clearly to suspecting MoosyDoosy, The Shining shifts with it. As Day 2 starts, The Shining's push on MoosyDoosy looks much better, but the original shift of suspicion with the thread sentiment feels mafia motivated. Furthermore, this progression doesn't make sense. First he says that he's voting for coolTLname and coolTLname should have been lynched on Day 1. Then he says that he doesn't like auto lynches and Day 2 shouldn't be an auto lynch day (I don't see him doing anything at all to help with this, note to self, does he ever look into actually lynching anyone other than coolTLname?). Finally, he says this to coolTLname. On October 02 2015 11:51 The Shining wrote:
OK srsly please stop this. This is your 2nd give up post, and we still have 40+ hours left in this day phase. Instead of asking if anyone remembers who asked about you too hunting, why not use your time to find it yourself? How many times are you going to declare your innocence but then do jack shit about it? This reads like a scum post just trying to get people to waste time on shit we dont need to waste time on.
And it wasn't me that said you were role hunting but thanks for trying to pin that on me. -1 CoolTLname has been The Shining's top scum read for the entire game. It's the thing he's most consistent on throughout his filter. His scumread on coolTLname has been strong enough for The Shining to not want to lynch LightningStrike, his other consistent scumread throughout his filter. But here, he's talking to coolTLname as if coolTLname is town (I admit that I generally don't like this argument, but here it seems stronger). He's telling coolTLname how to play a better town game while calling him scum twice. And getting frustrated at his strongest scumread for being scummy. I could understand this if The Shining seemed to doubt coolTLname's alignment, but he doesn't. I don't think he really looks into anyone else after this (note to self, check this), in which case this post has no place in a town mindset. On October 03 2015 04:40 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 11:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:
did anyone notice he literally revokes everything he said and did in that post of his... Actually yeah wow this. Bah Moosy can be town, there's no way we keep having mind melds like this. This is a very strange post, but there isn't that much mafia motivation for The Shining to post this (some, but not a significant amount). I'll leave this here as a note for anyone who wants to try and investigate more. On October 03 2015 05:05 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 14:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Trfel which one of us do you believe is right? Did Trfel ever answer this? All I saw was him saying he thought cool was town and that their talk was getting nowhere. After saying he'd lynch cool because even if he's town because he's not helpful to town. That's a weird progression and considering I think rayn is town and cool is scum, it seems pretty weird to not take a side here or even analyze what the arguments they had against each other were. Okay, so he's a bit suspicious of me (Trfel) as well. He does eventually look into my alignment, which is good for him, but he never finishes with this. Also, note that he doesn't seem to look at LightningStrike at all, despite noticing that raynpelikoneet argued that LightningStrike and coolTLname can be mafia together. He just says that he's interested in raynpelikoneet's argument, but doesn't follow up on the argument itself or on LightningStrike.
ConclusionThe Shining only used filter diving analysis twice in the game (early Day 1 on MoosyDoosy, and mid Day 2 on Trfel). Along with his read progression, he seems to be playing more to get townread instead of to find mafia. He also shows that his mindset is not a town mindset on several occasions. meh truffle...i really don't want to bash on something that obviously took a lot of work, but i'm not really sure how these things make him scum when he's had limited time. and he often has limited time. i don't really remember a game where he hasn't? I meant to clarify that, but I forgot to...
When I say a lack of effort, I don't mean time. I'm not saying that from a town standpoint he should be doing more, just that he should be doing different things. It's not that he isn't spending enough time on the game, or isn't making enough posts, it's that he's not doing the things that would be natural for him to do as town.
Town with limited time is still going to do towny things with that limited time.
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On October 04 2015 04:19 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2015 04:17 rsoultin wrote:On October 04 2015 04:04 Trfel wrote:The ShiningPlease note: - This case got quite long as I was writing it. Due to the length of the case, all of the embedded quotes and TL code, and the time of day, I'm not going to go back through and remove the self-notes that I left in the case.
- The Shining did start looking into my (Trfel's) alignment mid Day 2, and that looks very good for him. However, I would have expected this to happen much sooner. Some of my later points referring to this should possibly be dismissed, though the earlier ones are still valid.
- The Shining did follow up with his "on the fence" read on MoosyDoosy, just far later than I would have expected.
The Case- As town, The Shining generally addresses everyone in the thread when explaining his scumreads. As mafia, The Shining often addresses only his scumread when explaining his scumread. This game, there are several examples of The Shining addressing his scumread when explaining his scumread.
+ Show Spoiler +First, explaining your scumread to your scumread is simply bad. If your scumread is mafia, you shouldn't be explaining to them why they are mafia, or what it was that they did wrong. That feels more like "haha, I got you on this one, here's what you did wrong!!" rather than "Hey, I solved the game!" I did find one example of The Shining doing this in a town game. However, that's the only example I found in three town games from him. The Shining only has one scum game in the database, but he still made many cases addressed to his scumreads in that game. For a more detailed look at the games I looked at, with examples, see this post, or look at the database.
- The Shining's early analysis post on MoosyDoosy is forced
+ Show Spoiler +On September 30 2015 11:57 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2015 10:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 30 2015 10:54 The Shining wrote:On September 29 2015 08:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:
It's a sad day when the only person who turns out to be town is LS. In your filter right now. What made you say this? lol be prepared, my filter is an absolute disaster. On September 30 2015 09:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I actually think this game is fairly easy after reading through it a second time without the schizophrenic paranoid painkiller druggy glasses. You have to traverse pages of my arguments with rsoul where things finally became more or less clear for me. You weren't kidding. LoL. But I'm really on the fence about you, yuck. See posts like these read town to me at first glance because of clear reads and quotes to support what you're saying: Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 12:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 29 2015 12:20 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 12:14 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Well, no one has struck out to me as Mafia immediately, so I’m just waiting for a good case on someone to sheep. Not to mention, Shining and coolTLname haven’t posted yet, and the GB/rayn question remains up in the air. I don’t feel like going into sicklucker/J Roc today because I feel that’ll settle itself over time. dunno how I feel about marv. you still only got one townread? might want to get on that if you plan on being a sheeplermuffin, especially with the one townread you have why is he town? something more concrete than your earlier read on me, please and also i want your vote >> give it me LS is town for attempting to do what I managed to accomplish (redirecting the thread seriously). Eh, tone reasons and blah. Damdred looks town. Emotional Damdred over having his posts ignored although his reactions to his own shenanigans were strange at the start. rsoul is very sadly, unfortunately, i may have been on the wrong track, town. Managed to glean her direction and she's drawing the conclusions that make her look like town! rsoul. everyone else is kind of a null. I'm sure I can manage to stir something up to get more reads though. It's worthy to note that the nulls should sort themselves out. Mainly GB/rayn and J Roc/sicklucker. No way to read Shining/coolTLname/Rels. Don’t know how to read marv or Trfel. And no I refuse to give you my vote ma’am. Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 22:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:I just went ahead and plucked out a few quotes: On September 29 2015 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:On September 29 2015 07:03 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 07:02 LightningStrike wrote:On September 29 2015 07:00 Trfel wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Welcome to the Wonderful World of Trfel!
(musical version) As some of you may know, I really appreciate instrumental music. As with most things, my knowledge of classical music is very limited (I only know a few of the major symphonies, for example), but that doesn't stop me from enjoying music. My tastes in music are fairly strange and specific, which I suppose comes partly from my musical background. I have no real music theory education, but I have been playing trumpet for a while, throughout grade school and continuing in college. I like to think that I'm quite good at it, but unfortunately musical instruments are very challenging for most people and it would take me far more effort than I feel comfortable giving to get my trumpet playing to the next level. So I'm stuck playing in one of the boring bands at the university, which just has a bunch of people who feel like playing their instrument once in a while but aren't terribly good at it. And I've found myself really losing my appreciation for playing and practicing trumpet, which is very sad because I've spent so much time working on my trumpet playing over the past five years or so, but I'm not sure if there is anything that I can do about it. But I still enjoy music a ton. Not just listening to it, but being a part of it. So I'm trying to learn how to compose music. It's quite difficult because I have no formal theory training (just whatever I've picked up over my years with trumpet and coming from a fairly musical family), and my piano playing skills are next to zero (and piano playing is basically how everyone composes music). So it will definitely be a difficult learning period, but I hope that I can push through it. I have a keyboard in my room now, full 88 keys. I've tried to play it several times, but I'm so bad that it's painful to listen to myself. If anyone has any tips for starting on the piano, I'm very interested XD But the piano has proved useful for testing new chords and progressions for my songs. I don't have much yet, and the progress is slow, but I'm hoping that I can figure out how to compose proper music. I generally enjoy music with heavier usage of brass instruments (I do play trumpet, after all). John Williams has done some incredible things with brass in many of his famous movie scores and other compositions. In particular, his french horn usage is amazing. I also found an old CD of some Miklos Rosza film music, and that's been really enjoyable as well. The style of music used in film scores seems very fun to compose, play, and listen to, as there is much more freedom in the music itself (though modern movies tend to utilize the musical score more for background only, and don't use a recurring melody that brings the music directly to people's attention, which I find a bit lacking). Despite having basically no idea what I'm doing, I'm very excited about the possibilities and hope to create some good songs. One great band piece to end the post (or at least, I think it's a great band piece ): TLDR please? Also guys I'm town this game let's get some scum lynched! TLDR: yada yada music yada not posting cause music yada yada Marry me On September 29 2015 07:18 GlowingBear wrote:On September 29 2015 07:16 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 07:12 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:
O hai!
I'm town truffle took your position. next phase Please explain, I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at here? I mean, yeah, I'd just like to have you explain this post please ^^ i see you bby you know it me and my third eye of amaze. or am i wrong and you're not being the gb acolyte, just trying to imitate the finer whiskies? (is that how you spell they plural for whisky? o.0) He is not my acolyte, he is my successor On September 29 2015 07:21 GlowingBear wrote:On September 29 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:On September 29 2015 07:19 Damdred wrote:
Ok I have a couple terrible town reads Is this going to be the theme for early Day 1? This just going to a shitfest..... Ok I have a couple of terrible town reads On September 29 2015 07:17 GlowingBear wrote:On September 29 2015 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 29 2015 07:07 Damdred wrote:
Damdred is looking for a professional sexy person to welcome into his loving towny arms. All applicants will be screened please apply below.
Requirements:
A good person to team up with
Has to not doubt my alignment once n1 hits or on weekends when I'm busy
Must not ignore my posts or talk over me
must have a good voice
and be funny
and like walks
Please apply for my townfriend i have a good voice, maybe? i might be funny. i enjoy walks. enough? Rayn who is with you in your scum qt? All of these posts are very bland. Like they're supposed to be banter but it's almost a sea of gray as if GB is forcing(?)/faking(?) the banter. Which just made me more suspicious when he started focusing on Trfel/Damdred straight away. I don't know GB's meta too well so I'm not sure if he's normally this focused or not. The thing is that he did bring two good points on Trfel and Damdred. This combination of not being sure about GB's meta and how he's bringing up good things made me town lean him for a while. But then you have posts like these that just rub me the wrong way because it doesn't make sense to me: Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 21:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:
GB, claiming I'm Mafia when I didn't even explain my reads is bad. Especially when I just entered the thread and didn't have much time to answer questions. Because you claim you didn't explain your reads but you posted this post: Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 21:37 MoosyDoosy wrote:
The problem with this game isn't so much that there are no scum reads, it's that there are too many people I'm not townreading.
- marv is town
- Rels is town
- Damdred is town
- Lightningstrike is town
Only people I'm certain of at this point.
Oh yeah, GB is town lean. hm...rayn is scum lean. AFTER this post: Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 12:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 29 2015 12:20 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 12:14 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Well, no one has struck out to me as Mafia immediately, so I’m just waiting for a good case on someone to sheep. Not to mention, Shining and coolTLname haven’t posted yet, and the GB/rayn question remains up in the air. I don’t feel like going into sicklucker/J Roc today because I feel that’ll settle itself over time. dunno how I feel about marv. you still only got one townread? might want to get on that if you plan on being a sheeplermuffin, especially with the one townread you have why is he town? something more concrete than your earlier read on me, please and also i want your vote >> give it me LS is town for attempting to do what I managed to accomplish (redirecting the thread seriously). Eh, tone reasons and blah. Damdred looks town. Emotional Damdred over having his posts ignored although his reactions to his own shenanigans were strange at the start. rsoul is very sadly, unfortunately, i may have been on the wrong track, town. Managed to glean her direction and she's drawing the conclusions that make her look like town! rsoul. everyone else is kind of a null. I'm sure I can manage to stir something up to get more reads though. It's worthy to note that the nulls should sort themselves out. Mainly GB/rayn and J Roc/sicklucker. No way to read Shining/coolTLname/Rels. Don’t know how to read marv or Trfel. And no I refuse to give you my vote ma’am. TLDR You said GB was bad for calling you scum when you didn't even explain your reads but you explained your reads before making that list with no explanations. And you went from idk how to read Marv to Marv town. That's the only unexplained one att. This is a fairly long post. For the conclusion of "I'm on the fence". No questions for MoosyDoosy either. I'm not sure what the purpose is for town to post this. Furthermore, the point that The Shining gives about MoosyDoosy's post to GlowingBear shows a lack of thought. MoosyDoosy makes a reads post on several people in the thread and then leaves for 11 hours and 9 minutes. When he comes back, he makes a read post with four certain town reads, one scum lean, and one town lean, but he doesn't explain them. After this post, GlowingBear says that MoosyDoosy is mafia, and MoosyDoosy says it's bad that GlowingBear would call him mafia instead of waiting for his reasons for these reads. The Shining's argument is that MoosyDoosy already explained his reads in the other post that he quoted. Only two of the six people mentioned in MoosyDoosy's later post were people that MoosyDoosy had given a read on in his earlier post. This is something that The Shining should always see. The only explanation is that The Shining was rushed through this. So back to the original question, why is The Shining making this post? A long analysis post with no conclusion and no questions isn't terribly useful, except as perhaps a point of discussion or to share thoughts to be followed up on later (except The Shining doesn't talk about MoosyDoosy or follow up on this at all, more on that later). But the analysis is rushed and therefore has a flaw. The Shining entered the thread late. He apologized for his late entrance and being busy. This post feels like a post made to get townread, not a post made to find scum, as it doesn't really have much purpose (especially without the followup) and is rushed.
- The Shining's followup to his early series of posts suggests that he's playing to get townread, not to find scum
+ Show Spoiler +On September 30 2015 09:57 The Shining wrote:
Moosy and Trfel are question marks for me that I won't give a read on until I'm done filter diving them. This is why The Shining was filter diving MoosyDoosy. You would expect him to filter dive me next. He doesn't. The Shining was townread by many people for his first series of posts. On September 30 2015 12:05 sicklucker wrote:
shining is so town it hurts. never seen him post before let alone a post that big when he bizzy On September 30 2015 12:27 Damdred wrote:
Hi, shining is pretty towny good guy so far.
On September 30 2015 12:27 rsoultin wrote:
dododo
recreating town circles
-gathers truffle, shining and damdy into the fold- ^^
brain trust! \o/
not lynching moosy, rayn or sl today...i think i'll add cool here...he smells of newbie newness
ye i'm being female...so sue me
i think i actually want to lynch into rels, marv and scott
on whims, magic, and gut feels And after this, The Shining's effort level and analysis drops off. He's busy, he's phone posting, I get it. It's not a 100% argument, but it is still suspicious. There is a followup section to this argument later. Note to self, did he ever filter dive me? Did he ever post an analysis post like the MoosyDoosy one again?
- Push on coolTLname doesn't feel natural
+ Show Spoiler +This section has two parts. The second is much more important than the first.
I think that this point is an opinion, and it's hard to explain. To me, there were several points that people had to lynch coolTLname, and The Shining spent most of his time talking about his own reason that he was suspicious of coolTLname (that coolTLname said he would check marvellosity's past games and never did). I don't find this point terribly interesting, especially after it's been mentioned a few times, since then if coolTLname does go back and check marvellosity's past games there's the "he just did it to be townread!" argument. Basically, there's no point for The Shining to keep bringing this point up, not over all of the other points that have been brought up. And then when coolTLname says that marvellosity is irrelevant, which makes a fair amount of sense from his perspective if you are willing to actually try and understand what he's saying instead of just reading the words, The Shining seems to use that as a reason to be even more suspicious of coolTLname. I don't see The Shining using critical thinking here, it seems like he's trying to invent his own reason to join the coolTLname wagon. However, this is an opinion, and I can understand how people disagree.
The more interesting thing here is what DOESN'T happen. Here's the vote count at the time that The Shining returns to the thread. rsoultin (4): Trfel, marvellosity, raynpelikoneet, scott31337 GlowingBear (3): rsoultin, Damdred, coolTLname Trfel (2): LightningStrike, sicklucker coolTLname (2): Rels, GlowingBear raynpelikoneet (1): MoosyDoosy If he had time, you would expect him to read my filter, which he hasn't done yet. But even that aside, he should be interested in the pushes on rsoultin and GlowingBear. In my summary of the thread sentiment/direction at the time, I cited those as the main wagons. The Shining does say that he thinks that rsoultin is still town, just for different reasons. But he never seems to check the reasons that marvellosity and raynpelikoneet had for pushing rsoultin, which I could have expected him to do. I don't think he looks at the reasons for the GlowingBear lynch at all either. He never gives a new read on GlowingBear. When raynpelikoneet votes for LightningStrike, The Shining asks him why. However, The Shining doesn't seem very interested in actually lynching LightningStrike, despite being suspicious of him for the entire game. I don't see any drive from The Shining to investigate LightningStrike at all here. Since The Shining says here that coolTLname and LightningStrike can't be mafia together, one would expect him to be much more interested in LightningStrike's alignment, given that he's lynching coolTLname. Furthermore, after the Day 1 lynch, The Shining spends several posts exlaining to coolTLname why he is 100% mafia. This doesn't make sense from a town standpoint at all.
- After Day 1, The Shining seems content to follow the thread sentiment and I don't see him putting in the effort that I would expect from him as town
+ Show Spoiler +On October 02 2015 06:18 The Shining wrote:I believe in cool. I need to revisit the RSo cases but your last summary post of her actions are starting to make me wonder, if its all true. This wouldn't be the first time I hard towned scum RSo =/ but her play that game was different. LS is questionable/bad town at best, scum at worst but I still live in a world where both him and cool can't be scum. =/ LS sheeped onto cool and idk if he's confident enough as scum to bus D1. And yeah Moosy is/should be on that list, too, if LS or cool were to flip town. So he basically just agrees with raynpelikoneet's reads. And he admits that he never really investigated if raynpelikoneet's reasons for scumreading rsoultin were good or not, which he really should have given some attention to as town. He also doesn't seem very interested in looking into LightningStrike's alignment, which as previously explained, is very important since he is scumreading coolTLname and he says that they can't be scum together. It also feels like The Shining follows the thread sentiment with regards to MoosyDoosy. He's apparently on the fence on MoosyDoosy for all of Day 1 and Night 1, but never bothers to engage other people in discussing MoosyDoosy (despite at one point listing this as his third strongest suspicion). When thread sentiment shifts clearly to suspecting MoosyDoosy, The Shining shifts with it. As Day 2 starts, The Shining's push on MoosyDoosy looks much better, but the original shift of suspicion with the thread sentiment feels mafia motivated. Furthermore, this progression doesn't make sense. First he says that he's voting for coolTLname and coolTLname should have been lynched on Day 1. Then he says that he doesn't like auto lynches and Day 2 shouldn't be an auto lynch day (I don't see him doing anything at all to help with this, note to self, does he ever look into actually lynching anyone other than coolTLname?). Finally, he says this to coolTLname. On October 02 2015 11:51 The Shining wrote:
OK srsly please stop this. This is your 2nd give up post, and we still have 40+ hours left in this day phase. Instead of asking if anyone remembers who asked about you too hunting, why not use your time to find it yourself? How many times are you going to declare your innocence but then do jack shit about it? This reads like a scum post just trying to get people to waste time on shit we dont need to waste time on.
And it wasn't me that said you were role hunting but thanks for trying to pin that on me. -1 CoolTLname has been The Shining's top scum read for the entire game. It's the thing he's most consistent on throughout his filter. His scumread on coolTLname has been strong enough for The Shining to not want to lynch LightningStrike, his other consistent scumread throughout his filter. But here, he's talking to coolTLname as if coolTLname is town (I admit that I generally don't like this argument, but here it seems stronger). He's telling coolTLname how to play a better town game while calling him scum twice. And getting frustrated at his strongest scumread for being scummy. I could understand this if The Shining seemed to doubt coolTLname's alignment, but he doesn't. I don't think he really looks into anyone else after this (note to self, check this), in which case this post has no place in a town mindset. On October 03 2015 04:40 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 11:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:
did anyone notice he literally revokes everything he said and did in that post of his... Actually yeah wow this. Bah Moosy can be town, there's no way we keep having mind melds like this. This is a very strange post, but there isn't that much mafia motivation for The Shining to post this (some, but not a significant amount). I'll leave this here as a note for anyone who wants to try and investigate more. On October 03 2015 05:05 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 14:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Trfel which one of us do you believe is right? Did Trfel ever answer this? All I saw was him saying he thought cool was town and that their talk was getting nowhere. After saying he'd lynch cool because even if he's town because he's not helpful to town. That's a weird progression and considering I think rayn is town and cool is scum, it seems pretty weird to not take a side here or even analyze what the arguments they had against each other were. Okay, so he's a bit suspicious of me (Trfel) as well. He does eventually look into my alignment, which is good for him, but he never finishes with this. Also, note that he doesn't seem to look at LightningStrike at all, despite noticing that raynpelikoneet argued that LightningStrike and coolTLname can be mafia together. He just says that he's interested in raynpelikoneet's argument, but doesn't follow up on the argument itself or on LightningStrike.
ConclusionThe Shining only used filter diving analysis twice in the game (early Day 1 on MoosyDoosy, and mid Day 2 on Trfel). Along with his read progression, he seems to be playing more to get townread instead of to find mafia. He also shows that his mindset is not a town mindset on several occasions. meh truffle...i really don't want to bash on something that obviously took a lot of work, but i'm not really sure how these things make him scum when he's had limited time. and he often has limited time. i don't really remember a game where he hasn't? I meant to clarify that, but I forgot to... When I say a lack of effort, I don't mean time. I'm not saying that from a town standpoint he should be doing more, just that he should be doing different things. It's not that he isn't spending enough time on the game, or isn't making enough posts, it's that he's not doing the things that would be natural for him to do as town. Town with limited time is still going to do towny things with that limited time. Bleh, this is unclear...
Lack of effort as in, he doesn't care to investigate the things that actually matter (from his perspective).
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On October 04 2015 04:22 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2015 04:19 Trfel wrote:On October 04 2015 04:17 rsoultin wrote:On October 04 2015 04:04 Trfel wrote:The ShiningPlease note: - This case got quite long as I was writing it. Due to the length of the case, all of the embedded quotes and TL code, and the time of day, I'm not going to go back through and remove the self-notes that I left in the case.
- The Shining did start looking into my (Trfel's) alignment mid Day 2, and that looks very good for him. However, I would have expected this to happen much sooner. Some of my later points referring to this should possibly be dismissed, though the earlier ones are still valid.
- The Shining did follow up with his "on the fence" read on MoosyDoosy, just far later than I would have expected.
The Case- As town, The Shining generally addresses everyone in the thread when explaining his scumreads. As mafia, The Shining often addresses only his scumread when explaining his scumread. This game, there are several examples of The Shining addressing his scumread when explaining his scumread.
+ Show Spoiler +First, explaining your scumread to your scumread is simply bad. If your scumread is mafia, you shouldn't be explaining to them why they are mafia, or what it was that they did wrong. That feels more like "haha, I got you on this one, here's what you did wrong!!" rather than "Hey, I solved the game!" I did find one example of The Shining doing this in a town game. However, that's the only example I found in three town games from him. The Shining only has one scum game in the database, but he still made many cases addressed to his scumreads in that game. For a more detailed look at the games I looked at, with examples, see this post, or look at the database.
- The Shining's early analysis post on MoosyDoosy is forced
+ Show Spoiler +On September 30 2015 11:57 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2015 10:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 30 2015 10:54 The Shining wrote:On September 29 2015 08:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:
It's a sad day when the only person who turns out to be town is LS. In your filter right now. What made you say this? lol be prepared, my filter is an absolute disaster. On September 30 2015 09:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I actually think this game is fairly easy after reading through it a second time without the schizophrenic paranoid painkiller druggy glasses. You have to traverse pages of my arguments with rsoul where things finally became more or less clear for me. You weren't kidding. LoL. But I'm really on the fence about you, yuck. See posts like these read town to me at first glance because of clear reads and quotes to support what you're saying: Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 12:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 29 2015 12:20 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 12:14 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Well, no one has struck out to me as Mafia immediately, so I’m just waiting for a good case on someone to sheep. Not to mention, Shining and coolTLname haven’t posted yet, and the GB/rayn question remains up in the air. I don’t feel like going into sicklucker/J Roc today because I feel that’ll settle itself over time. dunno how I feel about marv. you still only got one townread? might want to get on that if you plan on being a sheeplermuffin, especially with the one townread you have why is he town? something more concrete than your earlier read on me, please and also i want your vote >> give it me LS is town for attempting to do what I managed to accomplish (redirecting the thread seriously). Eh, tone reasons and blah. Damdred looks town. Emotional Damdred over having his posts ignored although his reactions to his own shenanigans were strange at the start. rsoul is very sadly, unfortunately, i may have been on the wrong track, town. Managed to glean her direction and she's drawing the conclusions that make her look like town! rsoul. everyone else is kind of a null. I'm sure I can manage to stir something up to get more reads though. It's worthy to note that the nulls should sort themselves out. Mainly GB/rayn and J Roc/sicklucker. No way to read Shining/coolTLname/Rels. Don’t know how to read marv or Trfel. And no I refuse to give you my vote ma’am. Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 22:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:I just went ahead and plucked out a few quotes: On September 29 2015 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:On September 29 2015 07:03 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 07:02 LightningStrike wrote:On September 29 2015 07:00 Trfel wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Welcome to the Wonderful World of Trfel!
(musical version) As some of you may know, I really appreciate instrumental music. As with most things, my knowledge of classical music is very limited (I only know a few of the major symphonies, for example), but that doesn't stop me from enjoying music. My tastes in music are fairly strange and specific, which I suppose comes partly from my musical background. I have no real music theory education, but I have been playing trumpet for a while, throughout grade school and continuing in college. I like to think that I'm quite good at it, but unfortunately musical instruments are very challenging for most people and it would take me far more effort than I feel comfortable giving to get my trumpet playing to the next level. So I'm stuck playing in one of the boring bands at the university, which just has a bunch of people who feel like playing their instrument once in a while but aren't terribly good at it. And I've found myself really losing my appreciation for playing and practicing trumpet, which is very sad because I've spent so much time working on my trumpet playing over the past five years or so, but I'm not sure if there is anything that I can do about it. But I still enjoy music a ton. Not just listening to it, but being a part of it. So I'm trying to learn how to compose music. It's quite difficult because I have no formal theory training (just whatever I've picked up over my years with trumpet and coming from a fairly musical family), and my piano playing skills are next to zero (and piano playing is basically how everyone composes music). So it will definitely be a difficult learning period, but I hope that I can push through it. I have a keyboard in my room now, full 88 keys. I've tried to play it several times, but I'm so bad that it's painful to listen to myself. If anyone has any tips for starting on the piano, I'm very interested XD But the piano has proved useful for testing new chords and progressions for my songs. I don't have much yet, and the progress is slow, but I'm hoping that I can figure out how to compose proper music. I generally enjoy music with heavier usage of brass instruments (I do play trumpet, after all). John Williams has done some incredible things with brass in many of his famous movie scores and other compositions. In particular, his french horn usage is amazing. I also found an old CD of some Miklos Rosza film music, and that's been really enjoyable as well. The style of music used in film scores seems very fun to compose, play, and listen to, as there is much more freedom in the music itself (though modern movies tend to utilize the musical score more for background only, and don't use a recurring melody that brings the music directly to people's attention, which I find a bit lacking). Despite having basically no idea what I'm doing, I'm very excited about the possibilities and hope to create some good songs. One great band piece to end the post (or at least, I think it's a great band piece ): TLDR please? Also guys I'm town this game let's get some scum lynched! TLDR: yada yada music yada not posting cause music yada yada Marry me On September 29 2015 07:18 GlowingBear wrote:On September 29 2015 07:16 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 07:12 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:
O hai!
I'm town truffle took your position. next phase Please explain, I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at here? I mean, yeah, I'd just like to have you explain this post please ^^ i see you bby you know it me and my third eye of amaze. or am i wrong and you're not being the gb acolyte, just trying to imitate the finer whiskies? (is that how you spell they plural for whisky? o.0) He is not my acolyte, he is my successor On September 29 2015 07:21 GlowingBear wrote:On September 29 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:On September 29 2015 07:19 Damdred wrote:
Ok I have a couple terrible town reads Is this going to be the theme for early Day 1? This just going to a shitfest..... Ok I have a couple of terrible town reads On September 29 2015 07:17 GlowingBear wrote:On September 29 2015 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 29 2015 07:07 Damdred wrote:
Damdred is looking for a professional sexy person to welcome into his loving towny arms. All applicants will be screened please apply below.
Requirements:
A good person to team up with
Has to not doubt my alignment once n1 hits or on weekends when I'm busy
Must not ignore my posts or talk over me
must have a good voice
and be funny
and like walks
Please apply for my townfriend i have a good voice, maybe? i might be funny. i enjoy walks. enough? Rayn who is with you in your scum qt? All of these posts are very bland. Like they're supposed to be banter but it's almost a sea of gray as if GB is forcing(?)/faking(?) the banter. Which just made me more suspicious when he started focusing on Trfel/Damdred straight away. I don't know GB's meta too well so I'm not sure if he's normally this focused or not. The thing is that he did bring two good points on Trfel and Damdred. This combination of not being sure about GB's meta and how he's bringing up good things made me town lean him for a while. But then you have posts like these that just rub me the wrong way because it doesn't make sense to me: Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 21:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:
GB, claiming I'm Mafia when I didn't even explain my reads is bad. Especially when I just entered the thread and didn't have much time to answer questions. Because you claim you didn't explain your reads but you posted this post: Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 21:37 MoosyDoosy wrote:
The problem with this game isn't so much that there are no scum reads, it's that there are too many people I'm not townreading.
- marv is town
- Rels is town
- Damdred is town
- Lightningstrike is town
Only people I'm certain of at this point.
Oh yeah, GB is town lean. hm...rayn is scum lean. AFTER this post: Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 12:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 29 2015 12:20 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 12:14 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Well, no one has struck out to me as Mafia immediately, so I’m just waiting for a good case on someone to sheep. Not to mention, Shining and coolTLname haven’t posted yet, and the GB/rayn question remains up in the air. I don’t feel like going into sicklucker/J Roc today because I feel that’ll settle itself over time. dunno how I feel about marv. you still only got one townread? might want to get on that if you plan on being a sheeplermuffin, especially with the one townread you have why is he town? something more concrete than your earlier read on me, please and also i want your vote >> give it me LS is town for attempting to do what I managed to accomplish (redirecting the thread seriously). Eh, tone reasons and blah. Damdred looks town. Emotional Damdred over having his posts ignored although his reactions to his own shenanigans were strange at the start. rsoul is very sadly, unfortunately, i may have been on the wrong track, town. Managed to glean her direction and she's drawing the conclusions that make her look like town! rsoul. everyone else is kind of a null. I'm sure I can manage to stir something up to get more reads though. It's worthy to note that the nulls should sort themselves out. Mainly GB/rayn and J Roc/sicklucker. No way to read Shining/coolTLname/Rels. Don’t know how to read marv or Trfel. And no I refuse to give you my vote ma’am. TLDR You said GB was bad for calling you scum when you didn't even explain your reads but you explained your reads before making that list with no explanations. And you went from idk how to read Marv to Marv town. That's the only unexplained one att. This is a fairly long post. For the conclusion of "I'm on the fence". No questions for MoosyDoosy either. I'm not sure what the purpose is for town to post this. Furthermore, the point that The Shining gives about MoosyDoosy's post to GlowingBear shows a lack of thought. MoosyDoosy makes a reads post on several people in the thread and then leaves for 11 hours and 9 minutes. When he comes back, he makes a read post with four certain town reads, one scum lean, and one town lean, but he doesn't explain them. After this post, GlowingBear says that MoosyDoosy is mafia, and MoosyDoosy says it's bad that GlowingBear would call him mafia instead of waiting for his reasons for these reads. The Shining's argument is that MoosyDoosy already explained his reads in the other post that he quoted. Only two of the six people mentioned in MoosyDoosy's later post were people that MoosyDoosy had given a read on in his earlier post. This is something that The Shining should always see. The only explanation is that The Shining was rushed through this. So back to the original question, why is The Shining making this post? A long analysis post with no conclusion and no questions isn't terribly useful, except as perhaps a point of discussion or to share thoughts to be followed up on later (except The Shining doesn't talk about MoosyDoosy or follow up on this at all, more on that later). But the analysis is rushed and therefore has a flaw. The Shining entered the thread late. He apologized for his late entrance and being busy. This post feels like a post made to get townread, not a post made to find scum, as it doesn't really have much purpose (especially without the followup) and is rushed.
- The Shining's followup to his early series of posts suggests that he's playing to get townread, not to find scum
+ Show Spoiler +On September 30 2015 09:57 The Shining wrote:
Moosy and Trfel are question marks for me that I won't give a read on until I'm done filter diving them. This is why The Shining was filter diving MoosyDoosy. You would expect him to filter dive me next. He doesn't. The Shining was townread by many people for his first series of posts. On September 30 2015 12:05 sicklucker wrote:
shining is so town it hurts. never seen him post before let alone a post that big when he bizzy On September 30 2015 12:27 Damdred wrote:
Hi, shining is pretty towny good guy so far.
On September 30 2015 12:27 rsoultin wrote:
dododo
recreating town circles
-gathers truffle, shining and damdy into the fold- ^^
brain trust! \o/
not lynching moosy, rayn or sl today...i think i'll add cool here...he smells of newbie newness
ye i'm being female...so sue me
i think i actually want to lynch into rels, marv and scott
on whims, magic, and gut feels And after this, The Shining's effort level and analysis drops off. He's busy, he's phone posting, I get it. It's not a 100% argument, but it is still suspicious. There is a followup section to this argument later. Note to self, did he ever filter dive me? Did he ever post an analysis post like the MoosyDoosy one again?
- Push on coolTLname doesn't feel natural
+ Show Spoiler +This section has two parts. The second is much more important than the first.
I think that this point is an opinion, and it's hard to explain. To me, there were several points that people had to lynch coolTLname, and The Shining spent most of his time talking about his own reason that he was suspicious of coolTLname (that coolTLname said he would check marvellosity's past games and never did). I don't find this point terribly interesting, especially after it's been mentioned a few times, since then if coolTLname does go back and check marvellosity's past games there's the "he just did it to be townread!" argument. Basically, there's no point for The Shining to keep bringing this point up, not over all of the other points that have been brought up. And then when coolTLname says that marvellosity is irrelevant, which makes a fair amount of sense from his perspective if you are willing to actually try and understand what he's saying instead of just reading the words, The Shining seems to use that as a reason to be even more suspicious of coolTLname. I don't see The Shining using critical thinking here, it seems like he's trying to invent his own reason to join the coolTLname wagon. However, this is an opinion, and I can understand how people disagree.
The more interesting thing here is what DOESN'T happen. Here's the vote count at the time that The Shining returns to the thread. rsoultin (4): Trfel, marvellosity, raynpelikoneet, scott31337 GlowingBear (3): rsoultin, Damdred, coolTLname Trfel (2): LightningStrike, sicklucker coolTLname (2): Rels, GlowingBear raynpelikoneet (1): MoosyDoosy If he had time, you would expect him to read my filter, which he hasn't done yet. But even that aside, he should be interested in the pushes on rsoultin and GlowingBear. In my summary of the thread sentiment/direction at the time, I cited those as the main wagons. The Shining does say that he thinks that rsoultin is still town, just for different reasons. But he never seems to check the reasons that marvellosity and raynpelikoneet had for pushing rsoultin, which I could have expected him to do. I don't think he looks at the reasons for the GlowingBear lynch at all either. He never gives a new read on GlowingBear. When raynpelikoneet votes for LightningStrike, The Shining asks him why. However, The Shining doesn't seem very interested in actually lynching LightningStrike, despite being suspicious of him for the entire game. I don't see any drive from The Shining to investigate LightningStrike at all here. Since The Shining says here that coolTLname and LightningStrike can't be mafia together, one would expect him to be much more interested in LightningStrike's alignment, given that he's lynching coolTLname. Furthermore, after the Day 1 lynch, The Shining spends several posts exlaining to coolTLname why he is 100% mafia. This doesn't make sense from a town standpoint at all.
- After Day 1, The Shining seems content to follow the thread sentiment and I don't see him putting in the effort that I would expect from him as town
+ Show Spoiler +On October 02 2015 06:18 The Shining wrote:I believe in cool. I need to revisit the RSo cases but your last summary post of her actions are starting to make me wonder, if its all true. This wouldn't be the first time I hard towned scum RSo =/ but her play that game was different. LS is questionable/bad town at best, scum at worst but I still live in a world where both him and cool can't be scum. =/ LS sheeped onto cool and idk if he's confident enough as scum to bus D1. And yeah Moosy is/should be on that list, too, if LS or cool were to flip town. So he basically just agrees with raynpelikoneet's reads. And he admits that he never really investigated if raynpelikoneet's reasons for scumreading rsoultin were good or not, which he really should have given some attention to as town. He also doesn't seem very interested in looking into LightningStrike's alignment, which as previously explained, is very important since he is scumreading coolTLname and he says that they can't be scum together. It also feels like The Shining follows the thread sentiment with regards to MoosyDoosy. He's apparently on the fence on MoosyDoosy for all of Day 1 and Night 1, but never bothers to engage other people in discussing MoosyDoosy (despite at one point listing this as his third strongest suspicion). When thread sentiment shifts clearly to suspecting MoosyDoosy, The Shining shifts with it. As Day 2 starts, The Shining's push on MoosyDoosy looks much better, but the original shift of suspicion with the thread sentiment feels mafia motivated. Furthermore, this progression doesn't make sense. First he says that he's voting for coolTLname and coolTLname should have been lynched on Day 1. Then he says that he doesn't like auto lynches and Day 2 shouldn't be an auto lynch day (I don't see him doing anything at all to help with this, note to self, does he ever look into actually lynching anyone other than coolTLname?). Finally, he says this to coolTLname. On October 02 2015 11:51 The Shining wrote:
OK srsly please stop this. This is your 2nd give up post, and we still have 40+ hours left in this day phase. Instead of asking if anyone remembers who asked about you too hunting, why not use your time to find it yourself? How many times are you going to declare your innocence but then do jack shit about it? This reads like a scum post just trying to get people to waste time on shit we dont need to waste time on.
And it wasn't me that said you were role hunting but thanks for trying to pin that on me. -1 CoolTLname has been The Shining's top scum read for the entire game. It's the thing he's most consistent on throughout his filter. His scumread on coolTLname has been strong enough for The Shining to not want to lynch LightningStrike, his other consistent scumread throughout his filter. But here, he's talking to coolTLname as if coolTLname is town (I admit that I generally don't like this argument, but here it seems stronger). He's telling coolTLname how to play a better town game while calling him scum twice. And getting frustrated at his strongest scumread for being scummy. I could understand this if The Shining seemed to doubt coolTLname's alignment, but he doesn't. I don't think he really looks into anyone else after this (note to self, check this), in which case this post has no place in a town mindset. On October 03 2015 04:40 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 11:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:
did anyone notice he literally revokes everything he said and did in that post of his... Actually yeah wow this. Bah Moosy can be town, there's no way we keep having mind melds like this. This is a very strange post, but there isn't that much mafia motivation for The Shining to post this (some, but not a significant amount). I'll leave this here as a note for anyone who wants to try and investigate more. On October 03 2015 05:05 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 14:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Trfel which one of us do you believe is right? Did Trfel ever answer this? All I saw was him saying he thought cool was town and that their talk was getting nowhere. After saying he'd lynch cool because even if he's town because he's not helpful to town. That's a weird progression and considering I think rayn is town and cool is scum, it seems pretty weird to not take a side here or even analyze what the arguments they had against each other were. Okay, so he's a bit suspicious of me (Trfel) as well. He does eventually look into my alignment, which is good for him, but he never finishes with this. Also, note that he doesn't seem to look at LightningStrike at all, despite noticing that raynpelikoneet argued that LightningStrike and coolTLname can be mafia together. He just says that he's interested in raynpelikoneet's argument, but doesn't follow up on the argument itself or on LightningStrike.
ConclusionThe Shining only used filter diving analysis twice in the game (early Day 1 on MoosyDoosy, and mid Day 2 on Trfel). Along with his read progression, he seems to be playing more to get townread instead of to find mafia. He also shows that his mindset is not a town mindset on several occasions. meh truffle...i really don't want to bash on something that obviously took a lot of work, but i'm not really sure how these things make him scum when he's had limited time. and he often has limited time. i don't really remember a game where he hasn't? I meant to clarify that, but I forgot to... When I say a lack of effort, I don't mean time. I'm not saying that from a town standpoint he should be doing more, just that he should be doing different things. It's not that he isn't spending enough time on the game, or isn't making enough posts, it's that he's not doing the things that would be natural for him to do as town.Town with limited time is still going to do towny things with that limited time. ??? honestly i just don't get it -_- what things are you expecting him to do, exactly? is the problem he didn't read your filter near EoD when you weren't being lynched? or...yeah I must have explained this really poorly....
I looked at The Shining's filter through the "busy" perspective. I looked at it through the "phone posting" perspective. They don't explain his play. I mean, they do a little, but nowhere near all of it.
I only have two possible explanations for how The Shining can be town here. First is that I'm a complete total idiot. Second is that The Shining and I have radically different ideas for town play, and while I haven't noticed this to be true in the past, I suppose it is possible.
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The Shining's first post on MoosyDoosy is not a town post. The motivation for that post is to get townread, not to find out MoosyDoosy's alignment. This is not a 100% read, but it is still strong.
The Shining's level of independent analysis goes down as he gets townread. This is strange, since he was busiest at the start of the game, when he was doing the most actual analysis (his MoosyDoosy read).
The Shining joins the coolTLname wagon without looking at the other wagons at all. This doesn't seem to be a time issue, as he says he will look at the other wagons, and then doesn't. He also makes a lot of posts around this time period, but I don't see him trying to solve the game. There is a slight possibility that this is a phone posting issue, however he doesn't do things that he said he would, so this seems unlikely.
He doesn't follow up on things that he said he would follow up on, when they are most important. His play in Day 2 is extremely inconsistent both with regards to read progression and approach to the game.
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I'm not getting the impression that people have actually read The Shining's filter.
Or that people care (rsoultin being the exception, if you want to look at it, I provided general points, mafia motivation, and certainty levels towards the top of the page, it's roughly the same order as the explanation of the specifics and the details in the case itself, and please feel free to look at The Shining's filter and see it for yourself).
Have fun lynching town.
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On October 04 2015 04:59 rsoultin wrote:
where did truffle go? :/ I'm here.
I guess you actually wanted a response to your last post?
The second point was based on The Shining's claim that he can't play on Mondays and Tuesdays, and right after that was when he did most of the analysis work he did this game.
As for the other point, I'm not entirely sure what you were meaning. The Shining was suspicious of LightningStrike all game, I would expect The Shining to care more. Especially since he didn't seem 100% convinced that coolTLname is scum (and still doesn't).
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On October 04 2015 05:05 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2015 05:03 Trfel wrote:On October 04 2015 04:59 rsoultin wrote:
where did truffle go? :/ I'm here. I guess you actually wanted a response to your last post? The second point was based on The Shining's claim that he can't play on Mondays and Tuesdays, and right after that was when he did most of the analysis work he did this game. As for the other point, I'm not entirely sure what you were meaning. The Shining was suspicious of LightningStrike all game, I would expect The Shining to care more. Especially since he didn't seem 100% convinced that coolTLname is scum (and still doesn't). ummm he very clearly said in his filter that he thought cool was more likely to be scum than ls, and he didn't think they could be scum together? and what i'm asking is what you consider to be "analysis". to me analysis is any post that is working to figure out alignments, and that's practically his entire filter. are you referring to case-building? I guess by "analysis" I mean filter diving, not just looking at posts in the thread.
I get that he said that he thought coolTLname was more likely to be scum than LightningStrike, but I don't see him questioning LightningStrike or being interested in his alignment at all.
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On October 04 2015 05:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2015 05:08 coolTLname wrote:
I know! its because underneath all your anger, you actually think i could be town and ur waiting until i flip to save energy. :D If you're alive, you're a liability to town. Also find it funny that you're the sc2mafia role mechanics dude and you don't know what a roleblocker is. What do you think about The Shining?
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On October 04 2015 05:10 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2015 05:10 Trfel wrote:On October 04 2015 05:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 04 2015 05:08 coolTLname wrote:
I know! its because underneath all your anger, you actually think i could be town and ur waiting until i flip to save energy. :D If you're alive, you're a liability to town. Also find it funny that you're the sc2mafia role mechanics dude and you don't know what a roleblocker is. What do you think about The Shining? Shining is worth looking into if coolTL is scum. Why not if coolTLname is town?
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On October 04 2015 05:10 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2015 05:08 Trfel wrote:On October 04 2015 05:05 rsoultin wrote:On October 04 2015 05:03 Trfel wrote:On October 04 2015 04:59 rsoultin wrote:
where did truffle go? :/ I'm here. I guess you actually wanted a response to your last post? The second point was based on The Shining's claim that he can't play on Mondays and Tuesdays, and right after that was when he did most of the analysis work he did this game. As for the other point, I'm not entirely sure what you were meaning. The Shining was suspicious of LightningStrike all game, I would expect The Shining to care more. Especially since he didn't seem 100% convinced that coolTLname is scum (and still doesn't). ummm he very clearly said in his filter that he thought cool was more likely to be scum than ls, and he didn't think they could be scum together? and what i'm asking is what you consider to be "analysis". to me analysis is any post that is working to figure out alignments, and that's practically his entire filter. are you referring to case-building? I guess by "analysis" I mean filter diving, not just looking at posts in the thread. I get that he said that he thought coolTLname was more likely to be scum than LightningStrike, but I don't see him questioning LightningStrike or being interested in his alignment at all. yeah i just don't see it the same way, truffle. the filter-diving point may be a point...i haven't verified that...but shining seemed interested in ls' alignment? he questioned him, for one He made three posts of actual discussion with LightningStrike. Just three, I counted.
Compare this to his discussion with coolTLname. Maybe LightningStrike has just not been present at all, or at least not at the same times as The Shining, but the contrast is pretty incredible. The Shining doesn't really seem interested in discussing LightningStrike's alignment with others, either. Note how he discusses things with other people at other times, like how he was trying to find people to talk about his read on me with. But never for LightningStrike.
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I feel like Damdred is probably mafia.
It's getting increasingly difficult for me to wait on reading him.
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On October 04 2015 05:20 Damdred wrote:
You can't give a good reason why.
Maybe trfel is scum and cool is just a newb Look, Damdred, please just work with me. I want to work with you, I really do. I don't like the way that you have been refusing to work with me and seem to be just trying to spite me.
I'm not going to scumread you, I'm not going to townread you, I'm trying to assume that you are town. You're a very good player and I respect your abilities very much, and I realize that I may very well be wrong, I just wish that you would treat me with some element of respect as a person who is trying to solve the game.
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On October 04 2015 05:21 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2015 05:17 Damdred wrote:
I think its interesting trfel starts going on about shining after shining started looking at him.
Tgeres also that thought that mafia hasn't tried to push off cool lynch ever, now there is a concentrated push by trfel and GB and a few others. Idk if it means much but its interesting lol >< this reminds me of my talk with trfel several months ago about how he has a bias against people scumreading him ^^ Yeah, I didn't realize the extent that The Shining was looking at me with I started the case. Also, The Shining didn't even conclude that I was mafia.
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Sicklucker, do you have any ability to infer things at all?
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On October 04 2015 05:45 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2015 05:35 sicklucker wrote:On October 04 2015 05:30 Damdred wrote:
I'm pretty damn sure shining is town though. do you understand what rayn is saying tho dandred? it kind of proves there making up there read on you 100%. This does not say anything about your alignment but listen. Coolt should know hes town. trefel thinks coolt is town. Yet they both scum read you. This makes no sense because in that world (where you are mafia) You counterclaim when its town/town wagon. like you would never do this and especially trefel is a good enough player to know this. Trefel is fucking making shit up I don't understand this He's saying that I am mafia for saying that Damdred is mafia when he can't possibly be mafia.
Note that this is what he is saying, not what actually happened. Anyone reading ought to be able to figure out what actually happened, which honestly is far more worrisome for me.
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On October 04 2015 05:49 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2015 05:46 Trfel wrote:On October 04 2015 05:45 Rels wrote:On October 04 2015 05:35 sicklucker wrote:On October 04 2015 05:30 Damdred wrote:
I'm pretty damn sure shining is town though. do you understand what rayn is saying tho dandred? it kind of proves there making up there read on you 100%. This does not say anything about your alignment but listen. Coolt should know hes town. trefel thinks coolt is town. Yet they both scum read you. This makes no sense because in that world (where you are mafia) You counterclaim when its town/town wagon. like you would never do this and especially trefel is a good enough player to know this. Trefel is fucking making shit up I don't understand this He's saying that I am mafia for saying that Damdred is mafia when he can't possibly be mafia. Note that this is what he is saying, not what actually happened. Anyone reading ought to be able to figure out what actually happened, which honestly is far more worrisome for me. Ok but why the rayn bit at the beginning. Whatever I read your damdred scumread as frustration ? Because raynpelikoneet made the argument that if coolTLname and someone else are both town, I forget who, then Damdred has to be town.
I don't have a Damdred scumread. I don't have a Damdred read.
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I am so close to snapping..............
Seriously, have fun with your mislynch. I can't tolerate this any more.
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I just remembered, sicklucker doesn't post at night
I'm happy again ^^
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On October 04 2015 06:01 sicklucker wrote:
Trefel your not town man. My logic is sound if you were town you would agree and say you made a mistake suggesting dandred is mafia. Your mafioso deflecting genious. Please try using your brain.
If you don't know what that is, it's inside of your head.
If you don't know what that is, then I don't know what to say.
Now please just SHUT UP.
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I'm starting to doubt my scumread of The Shining
For the reason that I could very well just be being really stupid. I still see his play as being mafia motivated, but it feels like there might be other explanations.
I still think he's a much better lynch than coolTLname.
I guess I'll look into MoosyDoosy and Rels sometime.
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On October 04 2015 06:11 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2015 06:08 Trfel wrote:I'm starting to doubt my scumread of The Shining For the reason that I could very well just be being really stupid. I still see his play as being mafia motivated, but it feels like there might be other explanations. I still think he's a much better lynch than coolTLname. I guess I'll look into MoosyDoosy and Rels sometime. Was it his comeback posts that made you feel that way ? Or damdred s read ? Neither, just a gut feeling.
Mostly caused by the fact that no one at all seems to care, which is generally a sign that I'm being stupid.
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Mafia is probably in MoosyDoosy, Rels, sicklucker, and The Shining.
If that is not right, maybe Damdred. Unfortunately, if we assume that Damdred is in fact blue, there are no remaining mislynches.
I like to think that Rels is town, but there are fair reasons to townread everyone in my list
I don't know...
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On October 04 2015 06:18 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2015 06:14 Trfel wrote:On October 04 2015 06:11 Rels wrote:On October 04 2015 06:08 Trfel wrote:I'm starting to doubt my scumread of The Shining For the reason that I could very well just be being really stupid. I still see his play as being mafia motivated, but it feels like there might be other explanations. I still think he's a much better lynch than coolTLname. I guess I'll look into MoosyDoosy and Rels sometime. Was it his comeback posts that made you feel that way ? Or damdred s read ? Neither, just a gut feeling. Mostly caused by the fact that no one at all seems to care, which is generally a sign that I'm being stupid. Man you would feel better if you didnt have such a low esteem of yourself History has proven that I'm really, really, really, really, really bad at this game.
I feel like I can be okay in lower post count games, as I'm really good at getting a lot of reads from a small number of posts (right or wrong, at least it gives something to talk about...). But games like this just don't let me use my normal play style, which really doesn't help.
Like I almost think that coolTLname is scum just because I think he's town, but that would mean that town is doing okay this game and I really don't think so....
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On October 04 2015 06:04 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2015 06:01 sicklucker wrote:
Trefel your not town man. My logic is sound if you were town you would agree and say you made a mistake suggesting dandred is mafia. Your mafioso deflecting genious. Please try using your brain. If you don't know what that is, it's inside of your head. If you don't know what that is, then I don't know what to say. Now please just SHUT UP. Sicklucker, I'm sorry for this post.
It was not justified. It should never be justified. I'm annoyed that I'm bad at this game and I took my anger out on you.
Sorry.
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On October 04 2015 06:34 Damdred wrote:
Why doesn't it make him mafia? He clearly thinks tlcool is town, said we are hitting a townie but votes him anyway instead of pushing anyone else? There's no point to that as town Not going to speak for him, but this isn't how I read it.
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On October 04 2015 06:35 LightningStrike wrote:
Hmm I feeling weird with this lynch honestly and the fact that Tfrel isn't voting for the main wagon seems a little odd. Well, what are you going to think when you realize that everyone else is voting for town and I'm voting for mafia?
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I don't want to lynch coolTLname, but I also don't really want to lynch GlowingBear.
Anyone want to RNG it?
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I'll lynch The Shining, he is my preferred lynch. But no one else wants to.
RNG says MoosyDoosy, so I'll lynch him, too.
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Okay.
##unvote
##vote MoosyDoosy
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On October 04 2015 06:51 GlowingBear wrote:
IF TOWN FUCKING SWITCHES FOR ANYONE ELSE I'LL FUCKING GIVE UP
THE GUY IS CLEARLY JUST TRYING TO SURVIVE THE WHOLE GAME
I WILL FUCKING KICK DEAD PUPPIES Fine by me, I don't like dogs, same with puppies. Plus if they're already dead, it doesn't bother me if you kick them, really.
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On October 04 2015 06:56 MoosyDoosy wrote:
i am back but what d o we do? Just sit back and watch.
Either I'm wrong, in which case the game is okay, or I'm right, in which case it's basically over.
You should be happy, since RNG says that you are mafia. Grab some popcorn and watch the fighting
You might even be able to lynch me for TMI, because "there's no way he could possibly see that coolTLname as town, let's ignore that he was trying to explain it this whole time and we didn't listen to him".
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On October 04 2015 06:56 Rels wrote:
Come on people
Marv was right
GB was right before he became dumb
CoolTLname is possibly being bused
But he's NOT making this much noise while being bused See, Rels?
Remember that argument that I made way back when that you called really stupid?
Do you know what this post looks a whole lot like?
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On October 04 2015 06:59 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2015 06:57 Trfel wrote:On October 04 2015 06:56 Rels wrote:
Come on people
Marv was right
GB was right before he became dumb
CoolTLname is possibly being bused
But he's NOT making this much noise while being bused See, Rels? Remember that argument that I made way back when that you called really stupid? Do you know what this post looks a whole lot like? I think it's your fault I have this idea in my head now That's okay, it's right.
I wish I could plant a correct scumread in your head, though
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Okay, LYLO.
Sad to hear that Damdred was full cop, I do hope there is one more blue role, but there could very well not be
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I'm sorry, I tried to explain that coolTLname was town.
If I were better at this game I would have been able to explain it.
CoolTLname, I'm sorry. I really tried.
I think that no lynch here might be the right play, actually. Let's go with that.
And I think Rels might get a permanent townread because he's the only person in this game that I've actually enjoyed playing with. I'd rather lose to mafia!Rels than lynch him, honestly.
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Mafia team is MoosyDoosy, sicklucker, and The Shining. Possibly rsoultin, but probably not because that would mean that I sort of did something right. I hope it's not LightningStrike.
Final answer, barring a thought or two that I'm keeping to myself.
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On October 04 2015 07:12 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2015 07:10 Trfel wrote:
I'm sorry, I tried to explain that coolTLname was town.
If I were better at this game I would have been able to explain it.
CoolTLname, I'm sorry. I really tried.
I think that no lynch here might be the right play, actually. Let's go with that.
And I think Rels might get a permanent townread because he's the only person in this game that I've actually enjoyed playing with. I'd rather lose to mafia!Rels than lynch him, honestly. meh idk like why is his assumption when a huge post full of fluff gets posted near EoD that the player must be town? Because that is the correct assumption to make.
There is no reason at all why coolTLname is incapable of doing what he did as mafia. No reason at all.
It's just highly, highly unlikely.
I would expect you to see this, you know how to deal with new players You taught me how to deal with newer players......
And I'm not lynching Rels. I'm just not. Rels is probably the only way I can continue to play this game and not go insane.
Watch as mafia kills Rels just to inflict maximum pain on me But then they would have left Damdred alive.
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On October 04 2015 07:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote:
Mafia team is MoosyDoosy, sicklucker, and The Shining. Possibly rsoultin, but probably not because that would mean that I sort of did something right. I hope it's not LightningStrike.
Final answer, barring a thought or two that I'm keeping to myself. ^^^ Pursue that starting with me please. On October 04 2015 07:16 rsoultin wrote:
so...we're down 4
should be down 5 unless something unexpected happens by EoN
that's 8 players
5v3...yeah fuck -_- Seriously, how are you so far behind me?
You are NEVER behind me. I'm always the one lagging behind you.
Okay, you're mafia.
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On October 04 2015 07:18 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2015 07:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 04 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote:
Mafia team is MoosyDoosy, sicklucker, and The Shining. Possibly rsoultin, but probably not because that would mean that I sort of did something right. I hope it's not LightningStrike.
Final answer, barring a thought or two that I'm keeping to myself. ^^^ Pursue that starting with me please. Show nested quote +On October 04 2015 07:16 rsoultin wrote:
so...we're down 4
should be down 5 unless something unexpected happens by EoN
that's 8 players
5v3...yeah fuck -_- Seriously, how are you so far behind me? You are NEVER behind me. I'm always the one lagging behind you. Okay, you're mafia. If rsoultin is mafia, then LightningStrike has a very good chance at also being mafia. Then I will add The Shining as mafia, not sure why, just because it feels right. Could probably be anyone in my lynch pool, though.
MoosyDoosy, sicklucker, and The Shining or rsoultin, LightningStrike, and The Shining.
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Ok, here is an ultimatum.
I was right on coolTLname. Everyone else was wrong. Yes Rels, yes rsoultin, this includes you.
Therefore, it seems that I might actually know what I am talking about. That or I have additional information caused by being mafia.
You either lynch me for being mafia, or you actually bother to pay attention to what I say. I will not allow you any middle ground at all. You don't need to sheep me, you just need to read my posts and actually think about it.
If you refuse this ultimatum, then I spam the thread with my personal music preferences.
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On October 04 2015 07:24 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2015 07:18 Trfel wrote:On October 04 2015 07:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 04 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote:
Mafia team is MoosyDoosy, sicklucker, and The Shining. Possibly rsoultin, but probably not because that would mean that I sort of did something right. I hope it's not LightningStrike.
Final answer, barring a thought or two that I'm keeping to myself. ^^^ Pursue that starting with me please. On October 04 2015 07:16 rsoultin wrote:
so...we're down 4
should be down 5 unless something unexpected happens by EoN
that's 8 players
5v3...yeah fuck -_- Seriously, how are you so far behind me? You are NEVER behind me. I'm always the one lagging behind you. Okay, you're mafia. yeah this is a pretty dumb reason to call anyone mafia lol >< hey you hadn't figured it out in your head beforehand how many lynches were left if damdy got strongarmed during the day! sure scumtell! if you're being serious about this i'm not really sure what to say -_- I don't know if you are mafia, but you being mafia would be one of the more frustrating people to be mafia. Therefore, I'm inclined to think that it is true.
And I stand by the above argument. I know it's not logical, but I don't care. You are never this slow to think of things (compared to me) as town. Never. Even though as scum you would definitely have already thought of the mislynch count, it makes you mafia.
I don't even
Rsoultin, if you are town, please just solve the game And fricking listen to me, you should know that there is absolutely no way that I am mafia at this point. I don't expect anyone else to know this, but you definitely should. Maybe even trust me, just a little? Please? I'm not as good at explaining things as I must have been in the past
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On October 04 2015 07:29 sicklucker wrote:
I sapose thats an ok reason but hes been so wrong this game and pretty much single handily lost it for us lol. Like theres another person who I town read all game that sticks out to me now. dont think its smart to say who at night tho So the person who says that the biggest problem with TL Mafia is that people just follow other people's reads and don't come to their own conclusions is now blaming someone else for losing the game?
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On October 04 2015 07:32 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2015 07:31 Trfel wrote:On October 04 2015 07:29 sicklucker wrote:
I sapose thats an ok reason but hes been so wrong this game and pretty much single handily lost it for us lol. Like theres another person who I town read all game that sticks out to me now. dont think its smart to say who at night tho So the person who says that the biggest problem with TL Mafia is that people just follow other people's reads and don't come to their own conclusions is now blaming someone else for losing the game? im not saying im following it im saying it makes sense for rsoulin to think that You blamed Damdred for single handedly losing the game for town.
@Rsoultin, you listened to me. Fine. Still no trust.
Though I suppose I probably don't deserve trust if I'm going to play like this Read accuracy aside.
Fine, The Shining is not mafia because that would mean that I've been too correct.
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On October 04 2015 07:34 sicklucker wrote:
oh trefel you mean how everyone blindly followed dandred to a town loss. Ya your right its everyones fault and the biggest problem on this site Ah, so Damdred single-handedly lost the game, but it's everyone's fault for following him?
Single-handed, everyone's fault.....
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On October 04 2015 07:35 sicklucker wrote:
lol who cares why are you trying to draw me into a non game related fight Because I'm annoyed.
And because I caught you in a lie. Raynpelikoneet, this makes sicklucker 100% mafia, right? Time to tunnel him to oblivion!
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On October 04 2015 08:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2015 07:53 rsoultin wrote:On October 04 2015 07:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 04 2015 07:29 rsoultin wrote:
oh wait, ls
ls is town, too
but i still need another townread -_- blah there's still 9 of us does a blue read count? not gonna answer this on account of not being an idiot lol bruh, i'm saying i count as a blue read. <3 cc
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Rsoultin, because your filter is so large and I have a horrid memory, why was it that you switched your read on coolTLname from town to scum?
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I think I am going to wait for the night kill and hope that it will somehow simplify the game.
Then I think I may just townread LightningStrike and The Shining and blame rsoultin and Damdred if that is wrong.
Then I will really really hope that we can find three mafia that don't include Rels.
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On October 05 2015 03:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2015 03:36 GlowingBear wrote:On October 05 2015 03:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I really hope Mafia kills me because i am blue. Uh huh. How are you today? Sleepy. Very sleepy.
And I hate homework
Isn't answering a question directed to someone else supposed to be scummy?
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On October 05 2015 03:47 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2015 03:46 Trfel wrote:On October 05 2015 03:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 05 2015 03:36 GlowingBear wrote:On October 05 2015 03:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I really hope Mafia kills me because i am blue. Uh huh. How are you today? Sleepy. Very sleepy. And I hate homework Isn't answering a question directed to someone else supposed to be scummy? Yes. You are absolutely scum. Aren't you like US too? Why so sleepy. I slept for way too long last night. But my sleep was constantly interrupted by stupid college students banging into things.
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MoosyDoosy, I don't really feel like reading your filter, and my memory is terrible.
Would you mind stating your reads on everyone? No reasons are necessary, I'll ask for reasons for a few specific people next.
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On October 05 2015 04:27 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2015 04:25 Trfel wrote:
MoosyDoosy, I don't really feel like reading your filter, and my memory is terrible.
Would you mind stating your reads on everyone? No reasons are necessary, I'll ask for reasons for a few specific people next. -pokes at truffle- rels is mafia ^^ -disappears back into the ether- Yeah, but I don't want him to be mafia
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On October 05 2015 04:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2015 04:25 Trfel wrote:
MoosyDoosy, I don't really feel like reading your filter, and my memory is terrible.
Would you mind stating your reads on everyone? No reasons are necessary, I'll ask for reasons for a few specific people next. rsoultin - town Moosy - blue Trfel - town GlowingBear - idk rayn - town LightningStrike - Mafia Rels - Mafia sicklucker - town Shining - idk Why is Rels mafia? Why is LightningStrike mafia? How much experience do you have playing with LightningStrike?
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On October 05 2015 04:44 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2015 04:36 Trfel wrote:On October 05 2015 04:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 05 2015 04:25 Trfel wrote:
MoosyDoosy, I don't really feel like reading your filter, and my memory is terrible.
Would you mind stating your reads on everyone? No reasons are necessary, I'll ask for reasons for a few specific people next. rsoultin - town Moosy - blue Trfel - town GlowingBear - idk rayn - town LightningStrike - Mafia Rels - Mafia sicklucker - town Shining - idk Why is Rels mafia? Why is LightningStrike mafia? How much experience do you have playing with LightningStrike? LightningStrike - Just look at his filter and voting pattern. All he does is read thread sentiment, agrees with it, and votes along with it. When someone is under suspicion he applies soft pressure on them as well before leaving. Doesn't contribute at all. Rels - Completely different from how he normally acts. When pursuing a scum read, he drops it immediately after one explanation which is very uncharacteristic of Rels. He also changes around his story to match the situation. There is no way that screaming about a person's supposedly scummy behavior is supposed to be a "town read". The whole time he was arguing with me, he continuously tried to fish for things as well. At this point, his scum read on me is forced. Hm, I'll take a look sometime.
Thanks.
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I counterclaimed first.
Clearly all of you are mafia for following the thread sentiment!
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On October 05 2015 06:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:Not impatient. Just practical. 1 hr is enough time for you to give thoughts and answer questions. As it is, we're running out of time and if you die and I'm Mafia, what will you do? (; Yeah, since he's mafia, that would be really bad, right?
What if he posts his thoughts really really late in the night and then night kills you so you can't defend yourself? That would be devastating.
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On October 05 2015 06:28 sicklucker wrote:
i doubt you pushed him before his first post rels. because you would have had to do that to beat me to the cake Maybe you should figure out what actually happened and then try again.
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On October 05 2015 06:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2015 06:27 Trfel wrote:On October 05 2015 06:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 05 2015 06:17 Rels wrote:
impatient boy Not impatient. Just practical. 1 hr is enough time for you to give thoughts and answer questions. As it is, we're running out of time and if you die and I'm Mafia, what will you do? (; Yeah, since he's mafia, that would be really bad, right? What if he posts his thoughts really really late in the night and then night kills you so you can't defend yourself? That would be devastating. ? Why are you assuming I'll die? Oh, oops...
Quick, Rels, save me!
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On October 05 2015 06:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
idk Trfel is being a dumb by interpreting my posts in the completely wrong direction than they're clearly intended lol. That's exactly what you're doing, which is why I made those posts?
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On October 05 2015 06:44 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2015 06:43 Trfel wrote:On October 05 2015 06:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
idk Trfel is being a dumb by interpreting my posts in the completely wrong direction than they're clearly intended lol. That's exactly what you're doing, which is why I made those posts? calm down. it was just a joke. like no need to get so worked up over it geezus. Yeah, okay, you're mafia.
Reason: I said so.
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I believe that I am allowed a polite good bye post.
Good bye.
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Good game
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On October 07 2015 07:44 LightningStrike wrote:
Well maybe on Rels but Sicklucker maybe in LYLO but otherwise no. It was always LYLO
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I feel fairly good about pushing sicklucker Day 1 and The Shining Day 2.
Still much I need to improve on, I should have been more accepting of MoosyDoosy's claim despite the (meaningless) logical argument against it.
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GlowingBear was obvious town all game
Ever since his first few posts.
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On October 07 2015 08:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:
nice! didn't know that about kp. i guess the role is less useless.
and i will work on not spamming in the future. Early in the game, roleblocker is pretty lousy.
Late in the game, roleblocker is by far the strongest role. That's what people are saying about there only being one mafia left, the roleblocker is like a cop check that avoids miller/godfather/framer AND if you're right, it's also a medic save. As the number of players in the game decreases, roleblocker gets stronger. It can also be better than a cop because if you block the night kill, the entire game knows, so that gives credibility to your claim (and again, it isn't affected by godfather or whatever).
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I do hate it when people stop playing mafia, but I understand
Raynpelikoneet, Damdred, rsoultin, we've played a bunch of games together. I know that I've been quite a pain on rare occasions (okay, most of the time ), but it's been great to work with you all.
Looks like no more free townreads for me, though, all of the people who read me like an open book aren't playing any more. Maybe I should give some tips to a few people so I can continue to be as lazy as possible XD
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Honestly, I felt like there was a lot of really good play this game. From both sides.
The only slouch was J Roc, and that was because his internet died, so not his fault. Everyone else put in a bunch of effort, and most games aren't like that (often that's my fault....).
Frustrating game to play in, very enjoyable once I died XD
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Half the Sky, you need to play more often!
Seriously, just play XD
It's easy to stand on the host high-horse, harder to make it happen yourself. I want to see YOU foster a healthy thread environment, that's possibly the hardest thing in the game to do....
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On October 07 2015 08:44 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2015 08:43 Trfel wrote:
Half the Sky, you need to play more often!
Seriously, just play XD
It's easy to stand on the host high-horse, harder to make it happen yourself. I want to see YOU foster a healthy thread environment, that's possibly the hardest thing in the game to do.... she does well If she didn't, I wouldn't be asking her to play more often
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