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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
October 01 2015 14:46 GMT
#2573
On October 01 2015 23:45 LightningStrike wrote:
Alright so I did catch up throughly. We could lynch coolTLname or Tina next Day Phase I was just to blinded by my love for her.
Ok, why do you want to lynch rsoultin then?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
October 01 2015 15:02 GMT
#2581
On October 01 2015 23:54 marvellosity wrote:
post 1 suggests that my entire play could come from mafia

post 2 Trfel backtracks and says it's referring to a tiny portion at the start?

it really makes no sense at all to me
There was a specific part of your play where you said "I never do this as mafia". I'm saying that there is absolutely no reason why you couldn't, it would be easy to do.

As for the rest of your play, you are capable of a high filter length as mafia. I see no reason why you couldn't produce an extremely high filter length in a really spammy game, if you really wanted to. If you're referring to thread involvement, I don't see you being involved to the point where you can't be mafia.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
October 01 2015 15:35 GMT
#2585
On October 02 2015 00:30 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2015 00:02 Trfel wrote:
On October 01 2015 23:54 marvellosity wrote:
post 1 suggests that my entire play could come from mafia

post 2 Trfel backtracks and says it's referring to a tiny portion at the start?

it really makes no sense at all to me
There was a specific part of your play where you said "I never do this as mafia". I'm saying that there is absolutely no reason why you couldn't, it would be easy to do.

As for the rest of your play, you are capable of a high filter length as mafia. I see no reason why you couldn't produce an extremely high filter length in a really spammy game, if you really wanted to. If you're referring to thread involvement, I don't see you being involved to the point where you can't be mafia.

the fact you're characterising my play by filter length is pretty scummy tbh.
I don't think you want to know what I have to say about your play other than filter length.....

You do realize that you are my top townread, right?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
October 01 2015 21:07 GMT
#2698
On October 02 2015 06:02 The Shining wrote:
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On October 02 2015 05:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On October 02 2015 05:50 The Shining wrote:
On October 02 2015 05:48 The Shining wrote:
On October 02 2015 05:37 LightningStrike wrote:
I mainly want to lynch MD mainly because some of his arguments actually not making much sense and he lied too on some of his posts.


This is true so far but can you elaborate on which points don't make sense?


Like are you sheeping thread sentiment like Moosy said or do you have examples of the lies and what doesn't make sense to you?

Mainly his arguments vs Rels it just doesn't make much sense at all esp when Rels had proved that MD had lied on some parts. I will go more into detail about it when I get home if I still alive.


Wait what. Yeah lets talk when you get home, too. You can start by explaining why you think you're at risk of being NKd when we have a few strong townread and a living blue claim. That's just weird.
But he is at risk of being night killed!

Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
October 01 2015 21:19 GMT
#2703
On October 02 2015 06:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Someone is probably going to try to push Trfel but his approach to the game was so so so fucking townie at the EoD he is not mafia. Lynch rsoultin to confirm Trfel's alignment if you are unsure.
You mean the part where I accidentally fell asleep and missed EOD?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
October 01 2015 21:21 GMT
#2704
Rels, because you asked, this post is probably the clearest example of a post that doesn't make sense from you. I already showed why most of LightningStrike's posts that you quoted clearly do not support the point that you say they do.

On September 29 2015 17:23 Rels wrote:
GB making joke posts is weird 'cause his first post was serious. Let me check that.
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On September 29 2015 07:07 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 29 2015 07:02 LightningStrike wrote:
On September 29 2015 07:00 Trfel wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Welcome to the Wonderful World of Trfel!
(musical version)

Soundtrack for this post

As some of you may know, I really appreciate instrumental music. As with most things, my knowledge of classical music is very limited (I only know a few of the major symphonies, for example), but that doesn't stop me from enjoying music. My tastes in music are fairly strange and specific, which I suppose comes partly from my musical background.

I have no real music theory education, but I have been playing trumpet for a while, throughout grade school and continuing in college. I like to think that I'm quite good at it, but unfortunately musical instruments are very challenging for most people and it would take me far more effort than I feel comfortable giving to get my trumpet playing to the next level. So I'm stuck playing in one of the boring bands at the university, which just has a bunch of people who feel like playing their instrument once in a while but aren't terribly good at it. And I've found myself really losing my appreciation for playing and practicing trumpet, which is very sad because I've spent so much time working on my trumpet playing over the past five years or so, but I'm not sure if there is anything that I can do about it.

But I still enjoy music a ton. Not just listening to it, but being a part of it. So I'm trying to learn how to compose music. It's quite difficult because I have no formal theory training (just whatever I've picked up over my years with trumpet and coming from a fairly musical family), and my piano playing skills are next to zero (and piano playing is basically how everyone composes music). So it will definitely be a difficult learning period, but I hope that I can push through it.

I have a keyboard in my room now, full 88 keys. I've tried to play it several times, but I'm so bad that it's painful to listen to myself. If anyone has any tips for starting on the piano, I'm very interested XD

But the piano has proved useful for testing new chords and progressions for my songs. I don't have much yet, and the progress is slow, but I'm hoping that I can figure out how to compose proper music.

I generally enjoy music with heavier usage of brass instruments (I do play trumpet, after all). John Williams has done some incredible things with brass in many of his famous movie scores and other compositions. In particular, his french horn usage is amazing. I also found an old CD of some Miklos Rosza film music, and that's been really enjoyable as well. The style of music used in film scores seems very fun to compose, play, and listen to, as there is much more freedom in the music itself (though modern movies tend to utilize the musical score more for background only, and don't use a recurring melody that brings the music directly to people's attention, which I find a bit lacking).

Despite having basically no idea what I'm doing, I'm very excited about the possibilities and hope to create some good songs.

One great band piece to end the post (or at least, I think it's a great band piece ):

TLDR please? Also guys I'm town this game let's get some scum lynched!


Jesus I already want to kynch you LS :/

OK maybe I thought this post was serious when it wasn't.
@GB was your first post serious ?
Also this post, it would make much more sense to ask GlowingBear first, and then draw any conclusions after, if necessary. Assuming that the goal is to find scum, Rels is hoping to catch GlowingBear. So the right way to do it is to figure out what GlowingBear's intent was and then find out if it is scummy or not, and the wrong way to do it is to say "Hey, GlowingBear, were you doing A or B? FYI if you say A, then I think that's scummy." Because then mafia!GlowingBear can just say B and then you get nowhere.

I guess I should probably look at bigger-picture stuff, that would be much more effective. I'll try to do that tonight if I can, otherwise tomorrow.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
October 01 2015 21:27 GMT
#2711
On September 29 2015 18:36 Rels wrote:
seriously though, mafia rayn was super obvious in the game I played with him. He's said he had a bad game 'cause no time, but he was tunneling geript as scum, then sheep geript's read on me when it was convenient for me. Maybe he will fool me one day, but for now I'm pretty sure I can read rayn (=
This just doesn't feel like a town post.....

"Hey, there's this player who everyone says is really good at mafia. I caught him once when he was playing badly, but I'm not going to be scared of him at all until he fools me. He must be a really easy read, even though everyone says otherwise."

Rels strikes me as a more practical player than someone who I would expect to make this post.

Maybe I'm just attributing a different playstyle/thought process to Rels than what he actually uses as town, though....

I guess I'll restart later and be more open-minded.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
October 01 2015 22:05 GMT
#2742
Rsoultin, you do realize that there's no point reading my filter because if you scumread me then you will be lynched, 100%

Especially since I told you the best way to read me, and it's probably the most applicable in this game over any other in the past six months.

And I really don't like you constantly avoiding me on the GlowingBear issue, even now. I still have no idea how GlowingBear's posts can possibly be seen the way you described them? Can you help me out, at least a little?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
October 02 2015 01:51 GMT
#2901
I don't want to read coolTLname's filter, I really don't.

Part of me just wants to never lynch him because he has a cool TL name.

Part of me just wants to never lynch him because marvellosity's reason to townread him on Day 1 made sense. And he feels new, not scummy.

I get that he's lied, but I don't see any motivation for him to do this as mafia. He simply misread/misunderstood something. There is no reason at all why he is more likely to do this as mafia than as town. If I'm wrong, please correct me, but I don't think so?

Part of me will be embarrassed for the rest of my life if he's mafia and I don't vote for him..........................

Bleh. I'll read through Rels and sicklucker first.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
October 02 2015 02:00 GMT
#2904
On October 02 2015 10:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2015 10:51 Trfel wrote:
I get that he's lied, but I don't see any motivation for him to do this as mafia. He simply misread/misunderstood something. There is no reason at all why he is more likely to do this as mafia than as town. If I'm wrong, please correct me, but I don't think so?

post like this make you look super weird tbh....
like do you just ignore the fact i tried to make him contribute onto said things further?
and he responds basically with threatening my life or some fucking thing like that?
No, I don't like that, but unfortunately I think that town players are sometimes stupid enough to play like that. I've seen it way too many times.

I wasn't referring to the post-lie argument, I was referring to the argument over the vote count itself and the nature of whether coolTLname's initial claim had mafia motivation.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
October 02 2015 04:58 GMT
#2973
If I read some filters, would anyone want to talk to me about them afterwards?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
October 02 2015 05:01 GMT
#2979
On October 02 2015 13:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2015 13:58 Trfel wrote:
If I read some filters, would anyone want to talk to me about them afterwards?

You should be doing that regardless.
You don't realize how lazy I am.

Lynch isn't for a while yet.

If you are willing to stay up for a while and talk to me, I'll read filters and have things to talk about. Otherwise I'll probably not
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
October 02 2015 05:03 GMT
#2982
To be honest I might just want to lynch coolTLname because he is being so obstructive to the thread that even if he's town lynching him could be good.

CoolTLname, angering raynpelikoneet is not a good strategy. If he is mafia, there is no point arguing with him, since he's mafia and he doesn't believe what he's saying; he knows that you are right. All you're doing is filling the thread with useless words. Spend your time talking to other people instead. If he is town, then it's even worse because you're making two (presumably) townies very mad at each other for filling the thread with stuff that is nowhere near catching mafia.

There's just no point to do it regardless of raynpelikoneet's alignment.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
October 02 2015 05:15 GMT
#2995
I don't care for this discussion at all because I think that coolTLname is probably town.

Rsoultin, I don't seem to be able to convey anything to you so far today, I'd rather wait until we both get a chance to rest before I try again. I don't have anything new to say at this moment, just rephrasing things I've already said....

MoosyDoosy, of course my post was made with the assumption that coolTLname was town. I actually said that in the post. Congratulations.

I would just really appreciate it if raynpelikoneet and coolTLname stop this argument because it is going absolutely nowhere and is a nightmare to read. Whatever points you guys are trying to make have been made a million times over and you aren't going to convince each other.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
October 02 2015 05:22 GMT
#3001
On October 02 2015 14:18 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2015 14:15 Trfel wrote:
I don't care for this discussion at all because I think that coolTLname is probably town.

Rsoultin, I don't seem to be able to convey anything to you so far today, I'd rather wait until we both get a chance to rest before I try again. I don't have anything new to say at this moment, just rephrasing things I've already said....

MoosyDoosy, of course my post was made with the assumption that coolTLname was town. I actually said that in the post. Congratulations.

I would just really appreciate it if raynpelikoneet and coolTLname stop this argument because it is going absolutely nowhere and is a nightmare to read. Whatever points you guys are trying to make have been made a million times over and you aren't going to convince each other.


i asked you specifically what your question regarding GB was, directly after you asked me about it

and you pissed off

so why don't you start there?
I need some clue as to how you could possibly make the read that you made about GlowingBear.

"I reread and changed my mind" is okay, but I still don't understand how you arrived at the initial conclusion in the first place.

And I still have no idea whatsoever how sicklucker's posts on J Roc early on justified a townread of him, since they seemed very boring to me and were based on him misinterpreting something.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
October 02 2015 05:37 GMT
#3009
Bleh, I'm really bad at this
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
October 03 2015 04:47 GMT
#3360
Okay, I think it maybe about time I start trying to think about who to lynch.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
October 03 2015 06:09 GMT
#3361
On October 03 2015 13:47 Trfel wrote:
Okay, I think it maybe about time I start trying to think about who to lynch.
One hour and 22 minutes later, he starts to catch up on the thread XD
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
October 03 2015 06:23 GMT
#3364
On October 03 2015 15:18 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2015 15:09 Trfel wrote:
On October 03 2015 13:47 Trfel wrote:
Okay, I think it maybe about time I start trying to think about who to lynch.
One hour and 22 minutes later, he starts to catch up on the thread XD


Around if you want to talk about stuff
Sure, I'd love to!

How long are you staying up for? It'll probably take me a while until I have anything to talk about
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
October 03 2015 06:36 GMT
#3367
On October 03 2015 15:25 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2015 15:23 Trfel wrote:
On October 03 2015 15:18 Rels wrote:
On October 03 2015 15:09 Trfel wrote:
On October 03 2015 13:47 Trfel wrote:
Okay, I think it maybe about time I start trying to think about who to lynch.
One hour and 22 minutes later, he starts to catch up on the thread XD


Around if you want to talk about stuff
Sure, I'd love to!

How long are you staying up for? It'll probably take me a while until I have anything to talk about

Until this afternoon so at least 4-5 hours
That ought to give me enough time.

I haven't entirely caught up with the thread yet, but here's a rough summary of where I'm at...

Not lynching rsoultin today for three reasons. One, she's probably town, two, her filter is too long for me to look at, and three, I feel really bad for asking the same question a billion times, looking at her answer and deciding to double check it later, and then forgetting about it and asking again.

No clue about MoosyDoosy, need to investigate.

Not lynching GlowingBear because I think he's obviously town due to thread involvement and activity. I should re-evaluate him later, but not for this lynch, I think. Note that if rsoultin is mafia, GlowingBear could look much worse.

Not lynching raynpelikoneet today because I can't, even if I thought he were mafia.

I don't think I want to lynch LightningStrike, but I should look through his filter.

Probably not lynching Rels, but I should look through his filter.

Sicklucker's posts drive me insane, so I'll do my best to avoid reading them.

I'm not making a read on Damdred.

No clue at all about The Shining, apparently his filter is 6 pages, so that should be enough to get a good read. I should probably read that.

I don't think I want to lynch coolTLname, I think that all of the "suspicious" and "scummy" things about him are more likely caused by him being new. I also don't see why his play is any more likely to come from mafia than from town. I will definitely read through his filter, but that is my impression from reading the thread.

If you have any reads that differ significantly than mine, please share.
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