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On October 01 2015 11:31 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 11:30 Trfel wrote:On October 01 2015 11:25 Damdred wrote:
Its curious because nobody is asking how many shots I have which led me to solidify my cc.
Oh well the first step is to explain what mafia motivation I have for basically giving myself up for a one shot tracker.
Explain that first Is it really smart for you to be talking about how many shots you have? I want your thoughts on the whole EoD please. Didn't read it yet. I'm on page 104.
I don't think that Damdred should have claimed, but I think he knows that. I sort of don't think that we should have lynched scott31337 even with the claim, but hindsight is 20/20, and it's likely that that's just the correct play anyway and I'm just stupid.
Honestly, I still think that lynching rsoultin might have been best, but I never really got a chance to take a close look at scott31337's filter (I just couldn't really get anything about his alignment from his posts, and J Roc's posts felt meaningless to me as well).
I don't think that Damdred's claim says that much about his alignment, and I really don't know about him, but now that he has claimed he will probably be easily resolved one way or the other in the near future. If he's town, I really really really hope that he provides some good analysis, as I'm having a lot of trouble this game. Please, Damdred?
Marvellosity is more than capable of playing like this as mafia, and that would very nicely explain a lot of things, but after rolling mafia last game that just feels so unlikely that I think I'm willing to ignore that possibility for now.
I'm kind of suspicious of raynpelikoneet, as he's a very strong player but I didn't really see that in his play today. His pushes weren't bad, but I don't think that he created a healthy atmosphere.
I still have no clue why people are scumreading GlowingBear, I've tried to explain why I am confident that he is town. If you want to, his filter length in this game is a huge contrast to his filter length in the last two mafia games (pages/day), and he's on vacation here. I know that filter length isn't a terribly reliable method of getting reads, but it's a clear and quantitative thing that supports my general view of GlowingBear's play.
There are just too many posts in this game, I am not really able to keep up with everything as I would like. Everyone else plays at such a fast pace.... That's another reason I wish we had lynched rsoultin, then I would have a much better chance at keeping up XD
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Oh and I still kind of think sicklucker may be mafia XD But I have a few things I need to check first, I could just be completely wrong.
Well, I'm generally just completely wrong 
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On October 01 2015 06:08 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I didn't see scott's claim and thought it was odd till I read the op. I guess coolTLname is most likely the best lynch today afterall. I could also just let you guys lynch me so I can focus more on college for the next few days because I got a test tomorrow and on Saturday so meh.
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On October 01 2015 11:58 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 06:08 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I didn't see scott's claim and thought it was odd till I read the op. I guess coolTLname is most likely the best lynch today afterall. I could also just let you guys lynch me so I can focus more on college for the next few days because I got a test tomorrow and on Saturday so meh.
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##Vote: coolTLname To me, this really really really doesn't seem like a post that town!LightningStrike would ever make? To clarify, LightningStrike, are there any posts you've ever made as town before where you say that it's okay if you get lynched?
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On October 01 2015 06:20 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 02:25 Trfel wrote:On October 01 2015 02:21 rsoultin wrote:On October 01 2015 02:16 Trfel wrote:On October 01 2015 02:11 rsoultin wrote:
hey truffle my question wasn't for kicks and giggles
what's the point of even asking me whether or not we could be scum together? -_- we'd both know that and rayn used it to completely get me off topic cause i have no self-control @.@ and need to find some I already answered this.... I still do not understand why we can't be mafia together at all. If you are saying that we can't be mafia together, and there is no reason for this claim, then I think that you are mafia. In case you missed my previous post, I don't think that your explanation makes sense because your townread on me this game and last game (when we were both town) is about the same, and you reversed it to a scumread there. Your townread on me here isn't a completely hard townread like you claim it is, and you have room to change it. Plus you could not bus me here unless you wanted to do so before the wagon on you started, which wouldn't be a good play. okay? you just said that you thought i couldn't reverse my read given my townread earlier, and now you're claiming i'm not hard townreading you? like i really don't get this, truffle. i'm not scum so by definition we can't be bussing each other. by definition. you are either scum and know that i'm not scum or you are town and know that we're not both scum like literally, to you, we can never be bussing each other either way, and i don't see why you're pursuing this if you're town? there is 100% reason that we're not mafia together and that's that i'm not mafia and either way you know we're not mafia together like wtf >< Oh, sorry, I see what you're saying. You can't reverse your read on me here after you get votes on you. That would result in you being lynched. It would be extremely opportunistic. If this wagon had never happened, then you could have reversed your read on me. You said that Rels is mafia because he switched his vote from me (his scumread) to you, who can't be mafia with me (from Rels' perspective). That is why this is important. Oh that explains the question Trfel, you promised me an explanation of your rsoultin's read, so please do it N1. I will be away most of the day so I'm trusting that you don't forget. I made a big post with the timeline I didn't understand maybe 12 hours ago I first scumread rsoultin as a joke. Then I saw something that made me suspicious of rsoultin, and was giving a bit of extra attention to her posts. I saw something else that made me suspicious of her, hence the two reasons I had to be suspicious of her (which I posted at two separate times). Eventually I shared one of the reasons, and then realized that it wasn't very good. Then rsoultin quoted a post that reminded me of the other reason, so I posted that too, but as I was typing it up I realized that it was flawed (as rsoultin demonstrated). Then I was sort of null on rsoultin, but kept the vote as a joke.
I didn't think that rsoultin's read change on marvellosity was suspicious, but I found her reaction to the push and several of her subsequent posts to be very suspicious, many as one-off posts, and a few general trends (specifically I got the impression that she was grasping for straws and trying to look for as many alternate lynches as possible). Though closer to the deadline, her posting seemed much more focused and more like I would expect from her as town there. I'm somewhat suspicious of her, but I don't really know.....
The main problem I believe you have been having is that you don't think that I could forget my reason for being suspicious of rsoultin. If you think that I would do that as mafia and I would never do that as town, good for you. But I was playing in a Starcraft tournament at the time, and I decided from basically the start of the game that I was going to read everything again more carefully, I was just posting for fun. It's nice to have fun, once in a while, because sometimes the games turn into a yelling match (as shown) and you can't really have casual conversation with anyone 
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Yeah okay, I think it's quite likely that LightningStrike is mafia.
On October 01 2015 06:25 LightningStrike wrote:
Last will since I not going to be here at EoD:
Lynch coolTLname, maybe Tfrel too.
Don't lynch Tina at all this isn't her scum tone. The alternating between first martyring and now not, and adding me into the potential lynch pool despite saying that he wasn't so sure about lynching me just a bit before, it all seems very focused on protecting rsoultin. Regardless of rsoultin's alignment, I just don't think that LightningStrike does this as town.
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On October 01 2015 12:12 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Which trash tier player did you lose to this time Trfel. (SC2 tournament) I lost to Seigifried..... I know
The worst part is that in Game 1 he cannon rushed me, and then I defended, and then I lost anyway
But before that, I did beat a GM zerg using a style I'd only learned like three days before. I'm pretty glad I joined Rival gaming, they put me in contact with a GM protoss who basically transformed my PvZ from gold level to mid masters + level already XD
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On October 01 2015 12:17 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 12:16 Trfel wrote:On October 01 2015 12:12 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Which trash tier player did you lose to this time Trfel. (SC2 tournament) I lost to Seigifried..... I know The worst part is that in Game 1 he cannon rushed me, and then I defended, and then I lost anyway But before that, I did beat a GM zerg using a style I'd only learned like three days before. I'm pretty glad I joined Rival gaming, they put me in contact with a GM protoss who basically transformed my PvZ from gold level to mid masters + level already XD How can you lose to a cannon rush LOL! SC2 is a easy game compared to BW. You want me to beat you with a cannon rush? I guarantee you that I can, I cannon rush terrans at a masters level. And I'm really bad at cannon rushing XD
Can you explain what it is about rsoultin's tone that made you so convinced that she was town? With as many specifics/details as you can.
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On October 01 2015 12:23 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 12:21 MoosyDoosy wrote:
But yea, back on topic. Answer the question LS. I did read it. Then why didn't you answer...............................
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On October 01 2015 12:34 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 12:19 Trfel wrote:On October 01 2015 12:17 LightningStrike wrote:On October 01 2015 12:16 Trfel wrote:On October 01 2015 12:12 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Which trash tier player did you lose to this time Trfel. (SC2 tournament) I lost to Seigifried..... I know The worst part is that in Game 1 he cannon rushed me, and then I defended, and then I lost anyway But before that, I did beat a GM zerg using a style I'd only learned like three days before. I'm pretty glad I joined Rival gaming, they put me in contact with a GM protoss who basically transformed my PvZ from gold level to mid masters + level already XD How can you lose to a cannon rush LOL! SC2 is a easy game compared to BW. You want me to beat you with a cannon rush? I guarantee you that I can, I cannon rush terrans at a masters level. And I'm really bad at cannon rushing XD Can you explain what it is about rsoultin's tone that made you so convinced that she was town? With as many specifics/details as you can. Mainly her tone towards others and the fact as town she actually doesn't like to be ignored by others. She actually did try to express her thoughts more clearly but the tunnel wre her down from rayn which actualy reminded me of rayn's tunnel on me in my last game with rayn. But rsoultin does those things as mafia too? Do you disagree?
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I could also probably lynch coolTLname for voting at End of Day and then not posting until 39 minutes later. And then saying that he wanted to get lynched after voting for survival.
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Okay, I don't want to lynch coolTLname.
And I looked through several pages from rsoultin's filter in Tropical Storm Mini Mafia and I don't really believe LightningStrike's meta claim.
I'm going to read through GlowingBear's filter again.
If anyone has any questions or wants to talk about anything, please ask.
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On October 01 2015 12:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 12:52 Trfel wrote:
Okay, I don't want to lynch coolTLname.
And I looked through several pages from rsoultin's filter in Tropical Storm Mini Mafia and I don't really believe LightningStrike's meta claim.
I'm going to read through GlowingBear's filter again.
If anyone has any questions or wants to talk about anything, please ask. Elaborate on coolTLname. I don't think that anything he's been doing is scummy. He seems very new, but I don't really see any mafia motivation behind it. Mostly I just don't see any good reason to lynch him.
Also, he called marvellosity irrelevant, and that is quite towny, I think. Basically, I don't think that mafia would want to say stuff like that to marvellosity, especially since if coolTLname is mafia, they probably warned him about marvellosity in the QT when coolTLname was making that early conditional read on marvellosity.
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On October 01 2015 13:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 12:58 Trfel wrote:On October 01 2015 12:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 01 2015 12:52 Trfel wrote:
Okay, I don't want to lynch coolTLname.
And I looked through several pages from rsoultin's filter in Tropical Storm Mini Mafia and I don't really believe LightningStrike's meta claim.
I'm going to read through GlowingBear's filter again.
If anyone has any questions or wants to talk about anything, please ask. Elaborate on coolTLname. I don't think that anything he's been doing is scummy. He seems very new, but I don't really see any mafia motivation behind it. Mostly I just don't see any good reason to lynch him. Also, he called marvellosity irrelevant, and that is quite towny, I think. Basically, I don't think that mafia would want to say stuff like that to marvellosity, especially since if coolTLname is mafia, they probably warned him about marvellosity in the QT when coolTLname was making that early conditional read on marvellosity. You said you were suspicious of rsoul right? In that case, what do you make of coolTLname unconditionally defending her and refusing to accept any points otherwise. Don't know. I don't really think that it's very alignment indicative.
I'm also less suspicious of rsoultin now
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On October 01 2015 13:28 Damdred wrote:
Any questions before I go to bed What do you think about sicklucker and why?
What do you think about LightningStrike and why?
Why do you disagree with my GlowingBear read?
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On October 01 2015 13:36 Damdred wrote:
1) I had a town read on him and I haven't re evaluated yet so I'm sorta sticking with that. His overall play hasn't been bad tbh.
2) Idk about ls I sorts think he's town though.
3) I think he has some things going for him like not wanting to jump on counter wagons but just some things feel off. I guess I was hoping for more specifics, but oh well Thanks for answering, that makes sense.
Anyway, I think I'm going to go to bed. I'll see if I have time tomorrow to dive filters.
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I can't sleep.............
I'm willing to assume that marvellosity is town.
If rsoultin is town, I guess I'll trust her read on raynpelikoneet here. Just for simplicity. So raynpelikoneet is town, regardless of rsoultin's alignment.
There were several posts that rsoultin made where the tone strongly suggested to me that she is town. My tone reads are terrible, but combine that with some general impressions I got from a Skype chat a while back about mafia, and that she doesn't really like playing mafia, and that if she is mafia she would have been extremely frustrated by raynpelikoneet, it just seems like rsoultin is town. Except for the push on GlowingBear. That's the most significant problem I have with rsoultin at this point, I just cannot see any of the things that she says about GlowingBear. And while I didn't prove any inconsistencies in her thought process, I wasn't completely satisfied by her explanations (notably the explanation with regards to her early read on sicklucker)...
I still want to townread LightningStrike for his early posting, but excuses or no, his posting patterns did fit a mafia motivation.... He got townread by post people early on, and then his activity levels dropped off sharply. I don't like him asking to get lynched instead of rsoultin, but I'm not convinced that it is mafia indicative I suppose. I guess he's probably just town.....
I don't know about Rels. Sometimes he seems reasonable, but I feel that he lacks thread presence. Which is strange because he actually has a fairly long filter. And some of his posts I remember thinking were very unreasonable. I need to figure out why I don't feel much thread presence from him, it may just be that he's being covered up by marvellosity, raynpelikoneet, and rsoultin, or there may be a more interesting reason.
I don't really know about MoosyDoosy and sicklucker. I don't feel confident in reading either of them, their thought process differs so much from my own. I feel like sicklucker's been townread a lot for bad reasons, though... Apparently there was a sicklucker smurf game recently? I thought that the smurf was not sicklucker, though?
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On October 01 2015 17:55 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 11:43 Trfel wrote:
Marvellosity is more than capable of playing like this as mafia, and that would very nicely explain a lot of things, but after rolling mafia last game that just feels so unlikely that I think I'm willing to ignore that possibility for now.
Prove this shit-tastic statement please. find one game as mafia where i play *remotely* similar to this. otherwise your opinions are basically worthless piles of crap because you're just saying things that i already know are blatantly false. i want you to actually go find a game where i did anything remotely similar to this game. off you toddle now. I could look through the entire database to try and find a game.
But that's pointless? There's no reason why you couldn't play like this. You know that you generally don't aggressively push a read early on as mafia, you said it yourself. But there's nothing that actually stops you from doing that, other than effort.
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On October 01 2015 23:25 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 23:23 Trfel wrote:On October 01 2015 17:55 marvellosity wrote:On October 01 2015 11:43 Trfel wrote:
Marvellosity is more than capable of playing like this as mafia, and that would very nicely explain a lot of things, but after rolling mafia last game that just feels so unlikely that I think I'm willing to ignore that possibility for now.
Prove this shit-tastic statement please. find one game as mafia where i play *remotely* similar to this. otherwise your opinions are basically worthless piles of crap because you're just saying things that i already know are blatantly false. i want you to actually go find a game where i did anything remotely similar to this game. off you toddle now. I could look through the entire database to try and find a game. But that's pointless? There's no reason why you couldn't play like this. You know that you generally don't aggressively push a read early on as mafia, you said it yourself. But there's nothing that actually stops you from doing that, other than effort. no, i am completely incapable because i have a million mafia games and have tried to replicate such things before. i've been playing pretty constantly for 3 and a half years and come nowhere near managing it. why on earth do you think i could suddenly manage it now? I am not sure what you are talking about?
I'm referring to the part where you made an early push on rsoultin and said that you'd never ever done an early push as mafia. There is zero reason why you couldn't do an early push as mafia, if I am capable of it, then you are definitely capable of it.
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On October 01 2015 21:04 rsoultin wrote:
i still need to reread some others tbh
truffle keeping the suspicion on me open and even now saying he's suspicious of me for having different reads is eh...i don't think he usually assumes same reads = same alignment but i'm not 100% on that and it seems convenient to have "doubts" about your counterwagon
i need to recheck his filter to see what he was doing that whole time apart from asking me questions Different reads doesn't mean mafia.
We had a different read. I asked you to explain why. You said reasons for him being mafia that were the exact opposite of the reasons I had (which I saw very clearly) for him being town. I said this, you didn't respond. I continued to ask different people, eventually providing at least one example, and I kept looking for any sign whatsoever of the things that were mentioned as scummy, but I kept seeing the opposite. And you and the rest of the people scumreading GlowingBear never bothered to show me your perspective.
Of course that gives me pause..... It doesn't mean you have to be mafia but it worries me.
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