EPTOn September 30 2015 20:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So let's see;
You had literally said your strongest townreads are Damdred and marvellosity.
That, by default means marv has done some things you consider to be extremely town, otherwise you are just plain out lying.
Now, marv does not post anything after that post (where you call him town) before you call him your #2 mafia read.
Some examples:
"LS didn't do anything to make my opinion on him change"
"sl did some things that make him less likely to be mafia (not town to be exact), so it apparently overrides my #2 townread in towniness"
"this null read on cool also overrides my #2 townread in towniness".
yeah there was nothing townie moosy did, that also overrides #2 townread in towniness.
Like, unless you are just straight out throwing out conclusions out of your head without even thinking about anything for one second, you are just straight out lying.
When you townread someone for any reason, the townread does just not vanish. If it did because "other people looked more town", well there is nothing you just said that suggests you are telling the truth.
So let's see;
You had literally said your strongest townreads are Damdred and marvellosity.
That, by default means marv has done some things you consider to be extremely town, otherwise you are just plain out lying.
Now, marv does not post anything after that post (where you call him town) before you call him your #2 mafia read.
Some examples:
"LS didn't do anything to make my opinion on him change"
"sl did some things that make him less likely to be mafia (not town to be exact), so it apparently overrides my #2 townread in towniness"
"this null read on cool also overrides my #2 townread in towniness".
yeah there was nothing townie moosy did, that also overrides #2 townread in towniness.
Like, unless you are just straight out throwing out conclusions out of your head without even thinking about anything for one second, you are just straight out lying.
When you townread someone for any reason, the townread does just not vanish. If it did because "other people looked more town", well there is nothing you just said that suggests you are telling the truth.
On October 01 2015 00:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
GlowingBear is now "under attack" from rsoultin.
Suddenly, when you say "if i change my vote i will vote for GlowingBear".
None of the things rsoultin now points out regarding GB were not important before. GB is one of Damdred's scumreads. The same guy who was "so goood" he was worth asking about his read on you was not worth discussing a read on GlowingBear (who rsoultin never scumread before now).... The only comment about GB from rsoultin is "i would probably lynch GB over LS", and that is BEFORE you went down the pile. hmmmzzzz.....
yeah it makes sense.
GlowingBear is now "under attack" from rsoultin.
Suddenly, when you say "if i change my vote i will vote for GlowingBear".
None of the things rsoultin now points out regarding GB were not important before. GB is one of Damdred's scumreads. The same guy who was "so goood" he was worth asking about his read on you was not worth discussing a read on GlowingBear (who rsoultin never scumread before now).... The only comment about GB from rsoultin is "i would probably lynch GB over LS", and that is BEFORE you went down the pile. hmmmzzzz.....
yeah it makes sense.
On October 01 2015 04:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not trying to be an idiot towards you Tina.
But the way you present your arguments is scummy as fuck.
You don't actually take any kind of a stance on my argument against you. You call marv's argument "omgus" when it clearly is not, it has been pointed out for like 10 times in this thread.
You give defenses like "i would never do this as mafia because...." which i do not believe are true, because i KNOW you have acted otherwise in games.
You misrepresent things, like cooliodude's argument one me, if you were town it should be really easyfor you to see what i was saying at the time i did it, just because i managed to mistype one word does not make it scummy like you seem to think it does.
You are not looking for mafia, rn you are looking for someone to lynch,. and if you were town you would try to convince me to lynch scott who is btw 100% mafia (with you). There is no reason you should be thinking he is town (as you don't) and if you are town there is no reason why you should NOT try to lynch him.
You are both mafia. If you are not mafia, then pfff.... You have fucked up this game totally, because you are not even trying to figure out who is mafia (no you haven't, all game). You have not tried to lynch mafia (no you haven't, all game). That is a fact.
GlowingBear is not mafia. If i am wrong on this shit you can call me bad how much you want to but i am not gonna call myself bad if you somehow happen to flip town.
And now it's too late.
I am not trying to be an idiot towards you Tina.
But the way you present your arguments is scummy as fuck.
You don't actually take any kind of a stance on my argument against you. You call marv's argument "omgus" when it clearly is not, it has been pointed out for like 10 times in this thread.
You give defenses like "i would never do this as mafia because...." which i do not believe are true, because i KNOW you have acted otherwise in games.
You misrepresent things, like cooliodude's argument one me, if you were town it should be really easyfor you to see what i was saying at the time i did it, just because i managed to mistype one word does not make it scummy like you seem to think it does.
You are not looking for mafia, rn you are looking for someone to lynch,. and if you were town you would try to convince me to lynch scott who is btw 100% mafia (with you). There is no reason you should be thinking he is town (as you don't) and if you are town there is no reason why you should NOT try to lynch him.
You are both mafia. If you are not mafia, then pfff.... You have fucked up this game totally, because you are not even trying to figure out who is mafia (no you haven't, all game). You have not tried to lynch mafia (no you haven't, all game). That is a fact.
GlowingBear is not mafia. If i am wrong on this shit you can call me bad how much you want to but i am not gonna call myself bad if you somehow happen to flip town.
And now it's too late.
On October 01 2015 21:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Basically i don't think marv's case on you does make you 100% scum. But i do know that when marv is so confident in his argument he is 100% town, and when he is town AND that confident he is probably right, even if i do not see it. I hadn't read your posts properly before that, for the reasons you i have outlined earlier. When i saw the case i did go back and read your posts.
What stuck out to me was this (why i think you are scum - MY CASE, regardless of marv's);
1) your read change on marv doesn't make logically any sense (in fact this is realted to his case aswell).
When you started arguing about his case, i also scumread you for;
2) your arguments were terrible, and didn't address anything he said, you just yelled "omgus omgus".
When i presented my case (1), you could not reasonable explain yourself, in fact you didn't explain anything at all, which makes (3).
Later on you scumread (or "scumread" i don't even fucking know what the read is besides "itchy") me for "not interacting with me, when you have had ZERO interest in trying to interact with me, while i DO have a reason to not interact with you, as i have explained. The only point where you have interacted with me before that, was when you 100% incorrectly "figured out Damdred's post is factually correct". Bullshit. Then you whine about you not having a read on me when you don't even try to get a read on me how you, as per your own words, read me best; by interacting with me. That would be (4).
(5) your push on GlowingBear is scummy as explained before.
(6) you twist things into looking like something they are not, you are not being clear and you don't even try to be clear.
(7) you don't have any scumreads (until you are being lynched).
Basically i don't think marv's case on you does make you 100% scum. But i do know that when marv is so confident in his argument he is 100% town, and when he is town AND that confident he is probably right, even if i do not see it. I hadn't read your posts properly before that, for the reasons you i have outlined earlier. When i saw the case i did go back and read your posts.
What stuck out to me was this (why i think you are scum - MY CASE, regardless of marv's);
1) your read change on marv doesn't make logically any sense (in fact this is realted to his case aswell).
When you started arguing about his case, i also scumread you for;
2) your arguments were terrible, and didn't address anything he said, you just yelled "omgus omgus".
When i presented my case (1), you could not reasonable explain yourself, in fact you didn't explain anything at all, which makes (3).
Later on you scumread (or "scumread" i don't even fucking know what the read is besides "itchy") me for "not interacting with me, when you have had ZERO interest in trying to interact with me, while i DO have a reason to not interact with you, as i have explained. The only point where you have interacted with me before that, was when you 100% incorrectly "figured out Damdred's post is factually correct". Bullshit. Then you whine about you not having a read on me when you don't even try to get a read on me how you, as per your own words, read me best; by interacting with me. That would be (4).
(5) your push on GlowingBear is scummy as explained before.
(6) you twist things into looking like something they are not, you are not being clear and you don't even try to be clear.
(7) you don't have any scumreads (until you are being lynched).
On October 02 2015 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
who gives a fuck about townreads if you can't produce even ONE scumread?
who gives a fuck about townreads if you can't produce even ONE scumread?
On October 02 2015 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
not to even mention... in over 20 pages of filter.
Like what is she doing in this game? What? scumhunting?
not to even mention... in over 20 pages of filter.
Like what is she doing in this game? What? scumhunting?
On October 02 2015 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
no, it sounds like you somehow think i am mafia when you haven't even gone through the thread properly, you have MULTIPLE times said you have to re-evaluate your read on me, you have MULTIPLE times said you are going to re-read me, and NEVER did that.
Yet, still, you cannot precisely call me NEITHER town NOR mafia, but you still kinda call me mafia anyways...
So go fucking do the read you have been saying you are doing for the past three days.
Go do it now. And make the fucking read instead of flip-flopping on every single fucking thing in this game.
no, it sounds like you somehow think i am mafia when you haven't even gone through the thread properly, you have MULTIPLE times said you have to re-evaluate your read on me, you have MULTIPLE times said you are going to re-read me, and NEVER did that.
Yet, still, you cannot precisely call me NEITHER town NOR mafia, but you still kinda call me mafia anyways...
So go fucking do the read you have been saying you are doing for the past three days.
Go do it now. And make the fucking read instead of flip-flopping on every single fucking thing in this game.
On October 02 2015 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yeah, apparently you have had more important things to do for the past three days while whining you cant get a read on me and saying you will re-read me. While producing 25 pages of nonsense.
yeah, apparently you have had more important things to do for the past three days while whining you cant get a read on me and saying you will re-read me. While producing 25 pages of nonsense.
On October 02 2015 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
mmm now my question to you is, why do you miss this simple stuff all the time?
somehow you cannot produce a read on that guy, in fact as i remember you called him town because "he is new" (which is btw not a reason to read anyone anything). You just conveniently miss too much stuff Tina.
mmm now my question to you is, why do you miss this simple stuff all the time?
somehow you cannot produce a read on that guy, in fact as i remember you called him town because "he is new" (which is btw not a reason to read anyone anything). You just conveniently miss too much stuff Tina.
On October 02 2015 21:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
rsoultin i have one simple yes/no question to you.
Do you think it's reasonable that you have been flip-flopping about my alignment for the whole game when you yourself repeatedly say you need to re-read me (and do nothing about it -- but STILL change your read on me from time to time?!?!?), say you are gonna do that re-read now (or as the next thing -- yes i can prove that), and you are supposed to be the "best player in this game (besides marv)" in reading me, as you yourself claim?
rsoultin i have one simple yes/no question to you.
Do you think it's reasonable that you have been flip-flopping about my alignment for the whole game when you yourself repeatedly say you need to re-read me (and do nothing about it -- but STILL change your read on me from time to time?!?!?), say you are gonna do that re-read now (or as the next thing -- yes i can prove that), and you are supposed to be the "best player in this game (besides marv)" in reading me, as you yourself claim?
On October 02 2015 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
no, and somehow you think HE TOWNREADS YOU AS HE DIDN'T PUSH YOU ON N1?!?!?!?!
ridiculous.
no, and somehow you think HE TOWNREADS YOU AS HE DIDN'T PUSH YOU ON N1?!?!?!?!
ridiculous.
On October 02 2015 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yes i did read them.
no, that's a ridiculous conclusion.
yes i did read them.
no, that's a ridiculous conclusion.
On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:
- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary)
- yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70
- you are, logically, voting for coolname
- scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20
- marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30.
- Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.
Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?
I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it.
Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:
- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary)
- yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70
- you are, logically, voting for coolname
- scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20
- marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30.
- Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.
Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?
I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it.
On October 03 2015 19:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like there is a push on rsoultin from me/marv.
Shining says he's gonna take a stance on it -> never does anything about it.
Like there is a push on rsoultin from me/marv.
Shining says he's gonna take a stance on it -> never does anything about it.
On October 03 2015 19:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The way he dismisses the cases on rsoultin is also yuck...
The way he dismisses the cases on rsoultin is also yuck...
On October 03 2015 20:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Let's assume this is true for a moment.
Why do you think mafia does not hop on your wagon when marv/rayn is pushing it? I mean if i was a new player and you are town that is a perfect excuse to lynch a townie and not be blamed about it, as you can just say "i thought marv/rayn cases were good".
Because i can't think of a reason, except for one...
Let's assume this is true for a moment.
Why do you think mafia does not hop on your wagon when marv/rayn is pushing it? I mean if i was a new player and you are town that is a perfect excuse to lynch a townie and not be blamed about it, as you can just say "i thought marv/rayn cases were good".
Because i can't think of a reason, except for one...
On October 03 2015 20:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't think you are lying, i am not suggesting so. I just want you to be as clear as possible so there is no way to misjudge this -- when i say this:
So you think Rels is mafia. You think he is the only mafia pushing your lynch. Now let's assume Trfel is scum here. At the time the push on you starts there is - if i remember correctly - four votes on Trfel. Rels is mafia and hops onto you, from Trfel. You are the only counterwagon. It doesn't make any sense, especially considering later on Rels wants to give you more room.
So Trfel cannot possibly be mafia in this game if you are town, and should not ever be mafia for you in this game, unless you think i am mafia (which you don't). That should be your #1 reason for reading Trfel town regardless of what he has ever said in this game because if Trfel was mafia mafia WOULD have hopped on you with greater numbers and pushed your lynch more.
Somehow you can't realize this simple fact that if you are town Trfel must be town. And don't try to feed me with bullshit "but i think Trfel is town", i am telling you this should be your reasoning, at least part of it, yet it is not.
I don't think you are lying, i am not suggesting so. I just want you to be as clear as possible so there is no way to misjudge this -- when i say this:
So you think Rels is mafia. You think he is the only mafia pushing your lynch. Now let's assume Trfel is scum here. At the time the push on you starts there is - if i remember correctly - four votes on Trfel. Rels is mafia and hops onto you, from Trfel. You are the only counterwagon. It doesn't make any sense, especially considering later on Rels wants to give you more room.
So Trfel cannot possibly be mafia in this game if you are town, and should not ever be mafia for you in this game, unless you think i am mafia (which you don't). That should be your #1 reason for reading Trfel town regardless of what he has ever said in this game because if Trfel was mafia mafia WOULD have hopped on you with greater numbers and pushed your lynch more.
Somehow you can't realize this simple fact that if you are town Trfel must be town. And don't try to feed me with bullshit "but i think Trfel is town", i am telling you this should be your reasoning, at least part of it, yet it is not.
On October 03 2015 21:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes that what i am saying, or rather i am saying YOU should be the one figuring that out easily since yo uare supposed to know you are town. If you are mafia, then, obviously none of this applies...
You even did wagon analysis (mainly on Moosy/Rels/shining) here, jsut some time ago.
Yet you leave out the most easily seen logical conclusion from your analysis (=because i am town, it must mean Trfel is town).
So, another scumpoint to you.
Yes that what i am saying, or rather i am saying YOU should be the one figuring that out easily since yo uare supposed to know you are town. If you are mafia, then, obviously none of this applies...
You even did wagon analysis (mainly on Moosy/Rels/shining) here, jsut some time ago.
Yet you leave out the most easily seen logical conclusion from your analysis (=because i am town, it must mean Trfel is town).
So, another scumpoint to you.
On October 03 2015 21:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So from what i have gathered from N1 and D2 (partly from D1 aswell) from you rsoultin is this:
- You didn't give any fucks about coolTLname when you imo should have. I am speaking of N1 here, you even went on defending him with factually incorrect argument. (see what i did there?) It's scummy.
- The way you "look into people further" is scummy. You are under pressure, marv says GB might be mafia -> suddenly there is a case (and a vote) on GB from you while you didn't care about the things you found him scummy for earlier, at all. sl brings up the voting behavior and I start discussing it with him on D2. Rels and Shining are under questioning for that -> suddenly you come up with "now i am looking into Rels/Shining" and you come to a conclusion that Rels looks really bad and shining is town, you don't even touch this voting behavior thing at all... Hmm no, actually that is not scummy, that is super scummy.
- You do voting analysis; you miss the most easily notable thing to you. That is scummy.
That was your N1 -> D2.
I think you are mafia.
So from what i have gathered from N1 and D2 (partly from D1 aswell) from you rsoultin is this:
- You didn't give any fucks about coolTLname when you imo should have. I am speaking of N1 here, you even went on defending him with factually incorrect argument. (see what i did there?) It's scummy.
- The way you "look into people further" is scummy. You are under pressure, marv says GB might be mafia -> suddenly there is a case (and a vote) on GB from you while you didn't care about the things you found him scummy for earlier, at all. sl brings up the voting behavior and I start discussing it with him on D2. Rels and Shining are under questioning for that -> suddenly you come up with "now i am looking into Rels/Shining" and you come to a conclusion that Rels looks really bad and shining is town, you don't even touch this voting behavior thing at all... Hmm no, actually that is not scummy, that is super scummy.
- You do voting analysis; you miss the most easily notable thing to you. That is scummy.
That was your N1 -> D2.
I think you are mafia.
On October 05 2015 22:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
c'mon rels you are smarter than this.
rsoultin thinks one of you/md is scum
rsoultin thinks one of gb/shining is scum
rsoultin thinks me & ls are 100% town.
rsoultind doesn't want to vote for sicklucker asap.
c'mon rels you are smarter than this.
rsoultin thinks one of you/md is scum
rsoultin thinks one of gb/shining is scum
rsoultin thinks me & ls are 100% town.
rsoultind doesn't want to vote for sicklucker asap.
1) Marv's case / my case on her.
2) When there are those cases on her, she decides GB is mafia for reasons he was not mafia before. Also the timing where the case comes.
3) Her read on coolTLname and "incapability" to see the scummy things on him (coolname's read on me throughout the game). Instead she thinks Trfel is scum. Never makes the case.
4) Her read on Trfel. She should have thought Trfel is town 100% by voting analysis.
5) Her read on shining. sicklucker pointed out how Rels/Shining voting history on D1 is fishy. rels explains this reasonably, shining doesn't explain it at all. She is interested in discussing Rels for this, not Shining.
6) Based on above, both of marv / Trfel (nk'd townies) put shining onto the scumpile (at that time noone else really did). Doesn't consider this as a reason to even investigate shining more.
7) Her read on Rels. Damdred the top townie did the same thing rels did, still it's a reason to scumread Rels (logicvally it isn't).
8) Her D3. Bullshit.
TLDR;
- not paying attention to important things that actually make sense (see for example read on GB D1, read on me, Trfel...)
- her read on me throughout the game is terrible, she should have townread me on D1 100% if she was town (see marv here - noone can actually read me except for marv, people should trust marv's read on me, and rsoultin should 100% know this)
- other reads are bad, and the reasoning is fishy (gb, rels, trfel)
- didn't have any real reads until N2 (srsly, she didn't)
- not interested in discussing shining when she 100% should
idk if i forgot some reasoning in my TLDR, but mafia mafia mafia!!
