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On October 12 2015 22:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:
If Shining maintained a modicum of sanity and tried to explain the pile of contradictions he made I would understand but all he did was snap. Only reason why he would do that is if he realizes he made a heap of posts that made no sense with each other.
This misrepresentation is trash and you're scum. I did explain my "pile of contradictions" multiple times. That's why marv could so easily understand where I was coming from. Instead you just honed in on the "it doesnt make sense, blah blah blah" and completely disregarded the multiple times I said I think FF could be scum and my reasoning for WHY Marv could be a better lynch. And would you look at that, he's no longer a good lynch because he finally started playing. I'd look to see more but it's a good start.
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On October 13 2015 01:14 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 01:10 The Shining wrote:
Am I the only one who can't stand ES's post style and indirect wording?
This is why I choose to ignore you. If you can't be clear and concise and resort to cowboy speak, all you're doing is shitting up the thread and you serve 0 purpose to town. It's clearly better to regard people ya' haven't got the time to readiiing vs not. Mhmm.
I wish this was English
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Can't give opinions on things I don't understand and can't read or make sense of ^_^
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On October 13 2015 02:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 01:13 The Shining wrote:On October 12 2015 22:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:
If Shining maintained a modicum of sanity and tried to explain the pile of contradictions he made I would understand but all he did was snap. Only reason why he would do that is if he realizes he made a heap of posts that made no sense with each other. This misrepresentation is trash and you're scum. I did explain my "pile of contradictions" multiple times. That's why marv could so easily understand where I was coming from. Instead you just honed in on the "it doesnt make sense, blah blah blah" and completely disregarded the multiple times I said I think FF could be scum and my reasoning for WHY Marv could be a better lynch. And would you look at that, he's no longer a good lynch because he finally started playing. I'd look to see more but it's a good start. No, I did listen. You think that your read on FF is so good while you admitted that it was weakened by OO's and FF's defense. On top of that, you thought that marv was a better lynch. But you STILL didn't vote for him in that situation. This doesn't make sense whatsoever. marv I'm going to read the past two games I've been with you in and check your meta. Also, saying that I'm clever and fairly intuitive from the last game is false because I had my reads all wrong. cheers.
But yet you think you have scum caught here D1. LMAO
No I said I trust my own gut instinct. I never once said OMG ITS SO GOOD SHEEP ME SHEEP ME SHEEP ME. And Marv already explained what I already explained.
So why don't you go ahead and answer the question. What is the mafia motivation for saying one lynch is better than another but trusting my own gut because Marv could very well come back, which he did, and I don't feel like abandoning my gut instinct?
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On October 13 2015 02:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
marv, try to follow me.
If Shining admits that his case on FF is weakened and thinks that marv is a better lynch, why would he not vote for marv?
Because Marv still had time to come back and a meta read is shit. I feel like I've said this at least 5x already.
Also, why would Shining say that marv is a better lynch, but then later try to retract it and say that his points on FF are better?
I've never tried to retract that Marv was a better lynch at the time, just that I feel a scumread for actual things I see is better than trying to rely on a shit metaread.
Also, why would Shining make 5 posts in a row that are super waffly and leave him open to two available wagons?
Because when I'm town, I put ALL my thoughts into the thread. I couldn't give 2 shits what I look like and when I feel or think something, I say it. Deal with it.
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On October 13 2015 02:26 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 02:17 Vivax wrote:On October 13 2015 02:10 Eversince wrote:
Taking the leap, I'm wrong on Obvious, what's wrong with a Gum, Shining and Marv mafia scum group? There's no evidence that gum is mafia, only that he is an afk something. Shining was like one of the last people to start posting and now has 5 pages of filter and on top of it he sounds a lot like me when I feel really committed. Marv nobody cares about cause lynching him on D1 is dumb when he's one of the top night kills on the forum. "Gum came in paintin' that great canvas. It's got a stutter mark on it, and is quite blank. Shining got a bloated post count arguing with me. Whilst bein' real unproductive. Marv is a wasted vote because he's been so unproductive we'll shoot him in the night" I re-worded that post for ya'. Lay'ta!
Have you even read your own 9 page filter? You're commenting and rewording other people's posts for the sake of participation but you're literally doing nothing to follow up on your indirect questioning and horrible play.
Either that or you think there must be 6 players on the scum team. 2legit2quit
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On October 13 2015 02:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 02:37 The Shining wrote:On October 13 2015 02:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
marv, try to follow me.
If Shining admits that his case on FF is weakened and thinks that marv is a better lynch, why would he not vote for marv?
Because Marv still had time to come back and a meta read is shit. I feel like I've said this at least 5x already.
Also, why would Shining say that marv is a better lynch, but then later try to retract it and say that his points on FF are better?
I've never tried to retract that Marv was a better lynch at the time, just that I feel a scumread for actual things I see is better than trying to rely on a shit metaread.
Also, why would Shining make 5 posts in a row that are super waffly and leave him open to two available wagons?
Because when I'm town, I put ALL my thoughts into the thread. I couldn't give 2 shits what I look like and when I feel or think something, I say it. Deal with it. If a meta read is shit, why did you say that it made marv "a better lynch"? It still doesn't make sense. If you think meta is terrible why did you say that all of a sudden everything on marv was perfect and that you were warming up to lynching him?
BECAUSE HE STILL HADNT COME BACK. THAT RAISES THE PERCENTAGE THAT THE META READ IS CORRECT. BUT META IS UNRELIABLE. WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO GRASP? HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF PRESSURE? JESUS
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On October 13 2015 02:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 02:33 The Shining wrote:On October 13 2015 02:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 13 2015 01:13 The Shining wrote:On October 12 2015 22:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:
If Shining maintained a modicum of sanity and tried to explain the pile of contradictions he made I would understand but all he did was snap. Only reason why he would do that is if he realizes he made a heap of posts that made no sense with each other. This misrepresentation is trash and you're scum. I did explain my "pile of contradictions" multiple times. That's why marv could so easily understand where I was coming from. Instead you just honed in on the "it doesnt make sense, blah blah blah" and completely disregarded the multiple times I said I think FF could be scum and my reasoning for WHY Marv could be a better lynch. And would you look at that, he's no longer a good lynch because he finally started playing. I'd look to see more but it's a good start. No, I did listen. You think that your read on FF is so good while you admitted that it was weakened by OO's and FF's defense. On top of that, you thought that marv was a better lynch. But you STILL didn't vote for him in that situation. This doesn't make sense whatsoever. marv I'm going to read the past two games I've been with you in and check your meta. Also, saying that I'm clever and fairly intuitive from the last game is false because I had my reads all wrong. cheers. But yet you think you have scum caught here D1. LMAO No I said I trust my own gut instinct. I never once said OMG ITS SO GOOD SHEEP ME SHEEP ME SHEEP ME. And Marv already explained what I already explained. So why don't you go ahead and answer the question. What is the mafia motivation for saying one lynch is better than another but trusting my own gut because Marv could very well come back, which he did, and I don't feel like abandoning my gut instinct? ?? You said that the point against marv made him a better lynch and THEN later you said that your points on FF all of a sudden meant it made sense for you to vote for him. And yes, of course I think I caught scum when you just made a heap of contradictions, had page 3 of your filter be full of waffly posts, saddled yourself between two possible wagons, and raged at me out of nowhere when I was pointing out your contradictions. What ISN'T scummy about that?
Yes. The fact that Marv is inactive to the point of uselessness as scum in past games makes it a good lynch if he continues to be useless. Yes, I said and still think my points on FF make sense for me to vote him, which is WHY I VOTED HIM FROM THE FUCKING BEGINNING AND DIDNT SWITCH.
And yes, I always rage super hard as scum. It's all into my meta. A1 deduction there, ace. "A heap" of contradictions because I said 3 different things which I believed in and haven't denied or argued about, just that it doesn't make me scum. Your tunnel is so fucking bad that if you're town, you deserve to lose.
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Ok Moosy and ES, if town, deserve to lose this game. I'm done talking around in fucking circles answering the same fucking questions over and over. Continue shitting up the thread with me more pls
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On October 13 2015 02:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 02:40 The Shining wrote:On October 13 2015 02:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 13 2015 02:37 The Shining wrote:On October 13 2015 02:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
marv, try to follow me.
If Shining admits that his case on FF is weakened and thinks that marv is a better lynch, why would he not vote for marv?
Because Marv still had time to come back and a meta read is shit. I feel like I've said this at least 5x already.
Also, why would Shining say that marv is a better lynch, but then later try to retract it and say that his points on FF are better?
I've never tried to retract that Marv was a better lynch at the time, just that I feel a scumread for actual things I see is better than trying to rely on a shit metaread.
Also, why would Shining make 5 posts in a row that are super waffly and leave him open to two available wagons?
Because when I'm town, I put ALL my thoughts into the thread. I couldn't give 2 shits what I look like and when I feel or think something, I say it. Deal with it. If a meta read is shit, why did you say that it made marv "a better lynch"? It still doesn't make sense. If you think meta is terrible why did you say that all of a sudden everything on marv was perfect and that you were warming up to lynching him? BECAUSE HE STILL HADNT COME BACK. THAT RAISES THE PERCENTAGE THAT THE META READ IS CORRECT. BUT META IS UNRELIABLE. WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO GRASP? HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF PRESSURE? JESUS If you think meta is bad why did you describe it as "a better lynch" and said it was such a perfect point?
Meta is not bad. Meta can be good. Stop misrepresentin my fucking words. I said it can be unreliable. AS IN, NOT A SUREFIRE THING. And jesus fucking christ, read my filter. I said it's a better lynch because IT WAS. How simple is that? It tied in PERFECTLY into his scum meta. But with almost a full 24 hours left in the phase, I wasn't going to jump from one lynch to another when that meta read could change if he starts playing.
Thanks for making me reiterate myself some more.
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On October 13 2015 02:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:
No, you're just not making sense.
You're saying that meta against marv makes sense over time. This is just D1. So how is it that the meta on marv earlier was so perfect and made him a "better lynch?"
You're also saying that meta is unreliable. Then why did you think that the meta on marv was so perfect and made him a "better lynch?"
Also, if we take what you say and think that meta is so bad and unreliable, what does that make your case on FecalFeast when you thought that marv was a better lynch based on meta? That means you should have had a lot less confidence in your case on FecalFeast.
Nothing you're saying right now is adding up together.
I make sense to me and I'm all that I care about this game because I have no scumteam and apparently no town friends either ^_^ we can argue this all the way up until EoD, I truly don't care anymore.
Meta being unreliable doesn't mean it wasn't fucking perfectly accurate that up to that point, he was 100% playing up to his scum meta. Why are you nitpicking a vote that was made with an entire full day left in the day phase?
This is fucking stupid because if I HADN'T said anything about Marv, and then he never came back or did absolutely nothing when he did come back, and I switched to him with no reasoning or mention in my thread, I'd still be scum to you so does it really fucking matter? You're tunneling on me and that's fine but how about you find something else to do to deal with the fact that after I flip, you're gonna be royally fucked and have no leads?
And now you're painting a narrative just to make your case look better. My reads have NOTHING TO DO WITH EACHOTHER. So Marv being a "better lynch" and me following my gut on Fecal(because last time I did, I caught him as scum) make perfect sense to me. AND WHY THE HELL ARE YOU TELLING ME HOW MUCH CONFIDENCE TO HAVE IN MY OWN READS AND MY OWN GUTS? WHERE THE HELL ARE YOURS OUTSIDE OF YOUR TUNNEL ON ME?!
And this is why I think you're scum.
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On October 13 2015 02:47 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 02:37 The Shining wrote:On October 13 2015 02:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
marv, try to follow me.
If Shining admits that his case on FF is weakened and thinks that marv is a better lynch, why would he not vote for marv?
Because Marv still had time to come back and a meta read is shit. I feel like I've said this at least 5x already.
Also, why would Shining say that marv is a better lynch, but then later try to retract it and say that his points on FF are better?
I've never tried to retract that Marv was a better lynch at the time, just that I feel a scumread for actual things I see is better than trying to rely on a shit metaread.
Also, why would Shining make 5 posts in a row that are super waffly and leave him open to two available wagons?
Because when I'm town, I put ALL my thoughts into the thread. I couldn't give 2 shits what I look like and when I feel or think something, I say it. Deal with it. ? You literally just said that a meta read is shit. Why are you trying to say you said unreliable now?
Shit and unreliable both mean meta is bad. It's bad because it's unreliable. It's unreliable because it can be bad.
Your picking at semantics and terminology is so horrible.
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On October 13 2015 02:51 -Celestial- wrote:
I think you're arguing terminology here to be honest.
What I THINK Shining is trying to get at is this:
- The case on marv is a stronger case. However the case is, at least in part by many, a meta read and meta is a poor way to judge.
- The case on FF is a weaker case. But its based more specifically on reads from the game, so the actual evidence itself is a better way to judge.
Its the difference between getting a strong answer from a weak method vs a weaker answer from a strong method.
How is it possible that Marv and Celestial get this but Moosy and ES don't? I guess different skill tiers are showing themselves here.
Reading comprehension OP
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When I'm being fucking tunneled and poked into a rage, then yes, I'm going to be pissed off and speak to extremes and call everything shit and bad. Oh well. That's why after my ALL CAPS LOCK POST SAYING META IS UNRELIABLE, I went on to further explain that it can be good.
I personally think meta is shit, but I've also seen where it can be useful and accurate, so I try to keep an open mind depending on the situation. Like with players like Marv who have very clear cut metas.
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It's because Moosy is trying to really garner support for his case on me and is trying to get everyone to sway to vote me. Because he is scum trying to keep alive. This is not a town mindset, he's just hammering and hammering into a case that isn't even that good. Town has a higher chance of contradicting themselves and not caring how they look, whereas scum will read and reread their filter and all of their posts to not leave traces of their scumminess anywhere.
Now tell me, which of these do you think I fit into, Moosy? Like if you think I play scum this carelessly and angrily after JUST having played with me when I rolled scum, you're either mentally challenged or scum. I'm gonna give you benefit of the doubt, tho, and just call you scum.
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On October 13 2015 03:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Hm, honestly pretty estranged tbh. I really think it should be obvious to see Shining's contradictions and waffliness and let them speak for him but for some reason none of you are doing it.
That means either you're tunneled horribly or, like ES, you think EVERYONE is on a scumteam with me =D
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I just woke up from a nap and reread Moosy...
##Unvote
Vote is on town, imo. It doesn't help that one of my early scumreads turned null, OO, and 2 other null reads that haven't given me much to go off of, are voting with me on Moosy.
Anyone want to lynch Onegu for his easy landing on the Moosy wagon?
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I mean, does scum tell me on more than one occasion to cool down and take a quick breather from the thread to not get tilted, and also defend me when Moosy was tunneling me? Knowing my alignment, he could just easily have sheeped onto my wagon instead of onto Moosy's.
Are you saying his defenses of both me and FF are TMI and pocket attempts then? Does scum really do this twice on D1?
And yeah Vivax, it didn't kind of pile on with much sense which is why I don't feel comfortable on it anymore. If I'm being totally honest, it was a mixture of OMGUS and thinking this tunnel into me and knowing my alignment means scum REALLY wants me lynched. But that's dumb cuz I'm prime lynchbait rn anyway and I'm not sure scumMoosy would incriminate himself by tunneling my mislynch this hard.
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On October 13 2015 07:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
I don't want to vote either moose or obvious. Will check in when I get a chance
This is after saying he has Thanksgiving dinner around deadline. So like. He doesn't want to lynch anyone except SL? He also agreed with me that D1 was hard while I was all ragey and being tunneled. Am I in a tunnel now or is that apologetic scum?
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On October 13 2015 08:47 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:45 The Shining wrote:
I mean, does scum tell me on more than one occasion to cool down and take a quick breather from the thread to not get tilted, and also defend me when Moosy was tunneling me? Knowing my alignment, he could just easily have sheeped onto my wagon instead of onto Moosy's.
Are you saying his defenses of both me and FF are TMI and pocket attempts then? Does scum really do this twice on D1?
And yeah Vivax, it didn't kind of pile on with much sense which is why I don't feel comfortable on it anymore. If I'm being totally honest, it was a mixture of OMGUS and thinking this tunnel into me and knowing my alignment means scum REALLY wants me lynched. But that's dumb cuz I'm prime lynchbait rn anyway and I'm not sure scumMoosy would incriminate himself by tunneling my mislynch this hard. I tunneled my own scummate CopCake to China and back. Does that help alleviate your worries? But to be serious, if we're talking associations, where is my scum team working to save me? Unless it's Vivax/sicklucker which is way too glaringly obvious, I'm just kind of estranged in my little lynch island.
Ya but I'm not yours or anybody's scummate so it's an entirely different scenario. If you tunnel your own scummate into oblivion and he flips red, it's all YAY WE GOT A SCUM GJ MOOSY. If you tunnel me into a mislynch, it's all like GJ MOOSY THAT PUSH SO SCUMMY, WE LYNCH YOU TOMORROW.
And they're not. Which is why I unvoted you. Town is so divided right now, it hurts. We really need to consolidate. And it's funny because on the opposite end of the spectrum, I've had OO, Marv, Celestial, SL and Vivax all defend me. So if I'm scum, shout outs to my 6 man scumteam lmao!
That reminds me. Where is our holy messiah of "DO SOMETHING" ES at deadline? The one who wants literally EVERYONE to do something useful while we're actively posting and hashing out reads is mia with an hour left. HM.
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