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The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
October 11 2015 22:40 GMT
#607
On October 12 2015 07:35 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2015 07:34 The Shining wrote:
On October 12 2015 07:26 Eversince wrote:
Mhmm, I'm goin' to save myself some time.

90% of your post is reiterated stuff that's adding nothin'.
I notice it, prod at you, and you proceed to get really mad.

Not the best picture we could of painted.


Except no one knew you noticed it until right now because you said absolutely nothing of worth or value regarding my post. And how is it adding nothing? It added a player with reads into the game that had absolutely no posts or thoughts beforehand. I'm sorry that most of what I would've caught in the process of the game, I couldn't because I wasn't around.

That was an amazing post regarding "so many things wrong" with my post. 10/10, would read again.

Since nobody else is doing it, I'll ask you to get a nice post regarding who you think is mafia and a vote if applicable.


Reads post has scumreads. Go read it.

##Vote: FecalFeast

Because I've got a case of the fuck its and I listed him first.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
October 11 2015 22:45 GMT
#609
On October 12 2015 07:35 Eversince wrote:
Mhmm. out of this exchange I've learned;

You really haven't got a care at all what my opinion is,
The best way to deal with any pressure is RIOT mate!
Despite me just tellin' ya' I'd give you a run by (that you're clearly not vested in), you throw the cool aid against the wall, pick and scratch at the nylon ropin', and then spit on the fact that I'm town?

"Friend", I dun' use it as an insult. Please dun' take it that way. It's just the way I type.

I'm not wastin' any time at the tree. I haven't a phantom if you're scum or not. Based on the results of the past 30 minutes I'm inclined to lean to the right though.


Then you've gotten the wrong things out of this exchange.
If I didn't care what your opinion was, I wouldn't have repeatedly asked you and egged you on to explain WHAT you think is so wrong with my post instead of just goading me on and pissing me off.
Nope the best way for me to deal with pressure as scum is to afk the thread completely for an entire phase then show up at deadline. But using meta in a newbie game is a horrible idea so w.e
You did not say you'd give me a run by, w.e that means. You asked me if I wanted to talk about my reads AFTER caling my post wrong and then in your very next post, before I could respond, you decided to do a 180 and say No, this isn't fair. So make up your mind.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
October 11 2015 22:49 GMT
#611
On October 12 2015 07:42 Eversince wrote:
I admit, I can be rather feisty.

You know, you could save yourself a whole bunch of time and aggravation and just explain your reads from the get go?
Feel free to get real mad and throw nefarious comments my direction for the chuckles though.
I dun' mind.


You know, you could save us both time and ask a question I can actually answer? Instead of asking for me to explain my reads that I literally just posted and explained not 2 hrs ago? What do you honestly think is going to change from what I posted to now?

Feel free to actually play the game and ask me questions, since you "have no idea" if I'm scum or not but are leaning to the right. Is the right scum side or town side? Be more clear. Actually, be more clear with your posts in general and maybe we wouldn't have gotten to this point.

I do mind because it's telling how quiet the thread is because we're going back and forth. And not one but two people(both on my scum list) would rather have you convince them what's wrong with my post instead of reading it themselves. If that's not a tell for you, idk what to say.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
October 11 2015 22:52 GMT
#614
On October 12 2015 07:50 Eversince wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2015 06:55 Eversince wrote:
On October 12 2015 06:06 The Shining wrote:
I hate doing list posts but it is what it is. This is what I get for starting late, I guess.

Town
Eversince - pretty active in the game with a clear train of thought in every direction she's going. Especially that WoT. I would be very surprised if newbie scum is taking notes and making point after point and being transparent in their reads. She also addresses almost everyone so far, and wants to lynch a few, so there's no buddying or pocketing from what I can see. I would like her to give a read on Stoicism, though, I don't remember seeing that.

Moosy - Town, methinks. I'm not really sure where Onegu got the idea that he was voting for OO for no reason after reading Moosys filter. It seemed to follow a solid train of thought and he mentioned OO and questioned him before voting him. I don't really like him admitting to actively lurking but its something I'll let slide for now because I agree with his OO read and I don't think scum would set themselves up to be scrutinized hard by admitting that.

Probably town
Kels - its mostly a toneread tbh but his honesty and willingness to answer ES even when he didn't have much to go off of just reads as townie to me. And his later post giving reads and giving thoughts on the Vivax - SL interaction looked good, and most of the reads correlate with mine.

Celestial - again I hate list posts but I know its her(are you a girl or did I make a fool of myself? o.o) style and the reads were actually fleshed out, both in the list post and the few posts afterwards. She also picked up on some of the same things from Moody's filter that I did, although admittedly some of that goes out the window once Moosy himself said he wasn't actively in the thread the way his filter made it seem. (Speaking of which, how the hell did he even do that? That's some voodoo or some shyt)

Null
Sicklucker - I felt like he was townie at times last game when I rolled scum with him lol. I've never been able to read him. If I read his filter on any other player, I'd probably lean slightly town but since it's SL, I'd much rather someone better than I could help me flesh this one out. I do like that he caught Vivaxs weird read on him but someone said last game that his reads were very SL-centric, which seems to be the case here, and he was scum.

Vivax - the SL are you drunk thing was weird and I found myself agreeing with ES's request to post something of value. However, he stepped it up a bit after and considering I think both OO and Fecal could be scum, I have trouble thinking he'd be bussing either. I need to see more from him, though, before I can town him.

Onegu - somewhat bare filter. His VT claim is nai, he does it every game. He calls ES an RSoul smurf so he's aware of how ES is playing but I saw no read on ES. Then he tunnels into Moosy after hinting at not liking him early, then invites him for Marv. And comes back with a post saying he has nothing to comment on. But he hasn't commented on much to begin with. Moar reads a d do moar stuff pls, or this will shift into scum territory.

Stoicism - short filter with a few questions and poking at the thread, which I like. But he asked SL to discuss his Moosy read with him and was never heard from again. I need to see more from him.

Possible scum
FecalFeast - Super underwhelming. I found his joke post of "worried about appearance obvious mafia" kind of ironic since he states in his very next post that Vivax is as underwhelming as he is, which shows he is quite aware of how he looks in-thread. Also, most of his reads don't seem to lean very strongly either way which leaves a lot of wiggle room. Gums opening is awkward but not screaming scummy, wants OO to come back to confirm suspicion, Moosy is posting fine things but has the ability to play scum well. His eye is on vivax but he's just as bad. That's scumming yourself by default lol. And believing Vivaxs scum claim is just bad. I've seen vivax just roll over and die as scum but I haven't seen him outright claim it.

ObviousOne - I really hate self-meta so that's a negative for me. He isn't reading or paying attention, or he would've realized Celestials vote on me was pregame as a joke. Instead he misrepresents Celestial by saying she's voting the AWOL guy. His list post looked pretty yucky and he landed on Kelsier, one of my probtowns after making an unflipped association note between him and Celestial. But why is Kelsier a better lynch than Celestial? He doesn't say. And he says he could lynch Gumdrop waiting on reurn of the Jedi? But Marv is gone too but he's just being Marv. His reads just don't add up to me.

Marv - one page filter Marv in a newbie game is not town Marv. Super underwhelming and nothing of substance in his filter. He once asked if I was so unmotivated to solve the game as town and the answer was no becasue I was scum. Now I'm asking the same question. Why is he so unmotivated this late into a newbie game if he's town?

Plynch
Gumdrop - this one is pretty obvious and has been talk of the town so I won't go too much into it. Scum has trouble entering and participating in the thread, but from the game I played with Gumdrop, that one post isn't enough to be scum. It's more policy territory for me but I'd like to see if Gum actually gives us something to work with before jumping on that wagon.


So many thing wrong with this post.
I volunteer myself for much conversation with the propagator.


"Heya friend, I think your read are strange.
Care to elaborate?"


Then I say again. Be more clear in what you post and we wouldn't have gotten to this point. You can very clearly see how those two sentences differ from each other.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
October 11 2015 22:54 GMT
#615
And yet through all of this...I still have absolutely no idea what's wrong or strange about my reads...so there's that.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
October 11 2015 23:05 GMT
#618
Yup my concert was much more important and more fun than this game.
I posted my reads and got attacked for them. When you asked me to discuss them, you did so very vaguely while calling my post bad. Instead of telling me WHICH reads you want me to explain(since they all have nice little paragraphs next to them), you decide to just keep saying "explain your reads, explain your reads.". EXPLAIN WHAT ABOUT MY READS? WTF DO YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THEM? THEYRE THERE. PICK SOMETHING AND ASK ABOUT IT INSTEAD OF JUST TALKING ME AROUND IN FUCKING CIRCLES.

I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO YOU. THIS ENTIRE TIME. YOU HAVENT ASKED ME A SINGLE GAME RELATED THING. YOU JUST SAY MY POST IS BAD AND MY READS ARE STRANGE BUT DONT ASK ANYTHING ABOUT THEM. YOU KEEP HARPING ON MY ANGER, WHICH I FEEL IS JUSTIFIED OVER HOW USELESS YOUR LINE OF questioning is since you're going absolutely nowhere with it and now you vote me. And my caps lock button got stuck there but I don't feel like retyping this post so w.e.

Vote me, lynch me, idgaf. I sincerely hope I'm wrong and you're not town because you're going to get blamed for this mislynch if I get lynched. And quite frankly, getting me out of this game is a blessing so w.e
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
October 11 2015 23:10 GMT
#620
On October 12 2015 08:00 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2015 07:40 The Shining wrote:
On October 12 2015 07:35 ObviousOne wrote:
On October 12 2015 07:34 The Shining wrote:
On October 12 2015 07:26 Eversince wrote:
Mhmm, I'm goin' to save myself some time.

90% of your post is reiterated stuff that's adding nothin'.
I notice it, prod at you, and you proceed to get really mad.

Not the best picture we could of painted.


Except no one knew you noticed it until right now because you said absolutely nothing of worth or value regarding my post. And how is it adding nothing? It added a player with reads into the game that had absolutely no posts or thoughts beforehand. I'm sorry that most of what I would've caught in the process of the game, I couldn't because I wasn't around.

That was an amazing post regarding "so many things wrong" with my post. 10/10, would read again.

Since nobody else is doing it, I'll ask you to get a nice post regarding who you think is mafia and a vote if applicable.


Reads post has scumreads. Go read it.

##Vote: FecalFeast

Because I've got a case of the fuck its and I listed him first.

I disagree almost entirely. Commentary inline

Super underwhelming. Subjective, debatable, what is your expectation? You're repeating what he said about himself. I found his joke post of "worried about appearance obvious mafia" kind of ironic since he states in his very next post that Vivax is as underwhelming as he is, which shows he is quite aware of how he looks in-thread.Knowing how you look to others is how you get not lynched, or more importantly not mislynched. Also, most of his reads don't seem to lean very strongly either way which leaves a lot of wiggle room. Seems pretty convinced I'm mafia, even has his vote on me. Note this also means we're not likely to be mafia together, but it's also not impossible. Gums opening is awkward but not screaming scummy, wants OO to come back to confirm suspicion, Moosy is posting fine things but has the ability to play scum well. What do the previous things have to do with fecal's alignment? His eye is on vivax but he's just as bad. That's scumming yourself by default lol. That doesn't invalidate it as a scum read. And believing Vivaxs scum claim is just bad. I've seen vivax just roll over and die as scum but I haven't seen him outright claim it. Some people here will instalynch people who claim mafia. It's one of the easiest things you can do as mafia to create a why/why not discussion that distracts from legitimate talking points. I don't know if he's one of those people.


No reads on half the game and yes, I even said that he said that about himself. He also said it about one of his scumread, Vivax. So by that logic, if its an acceptable thing to scum someone for, its an acceptable thing to scum him for.

In my experience, scum is much more aware of how they look because their only goal is to survive. Town cares, or should care, less about surviving and how they look and spend more time on how OTHERS, namely scum, look.

Reading his filter doesn't look like he's that convinced. If you think you found scum, you push it. I just see a vote and some meh posts regarding you. The next few lines were examples of Fecal's reads that didn't lean strong either way. How did you not realize that?
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
October 11 2015 23:17 GMT
#624
I also said I feel stronger about Fecal than you, which is why I listed him first and that his read on you post-flip would actually spew you town if he was scum. But again, I found objective reasons for scumread that had literally nothing to do with associations.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
October 11 2015 23:24 GMT
#628
Last post was towards OO.

Moosy, yeh. I'm a VIP fanboy.

ES, I reread all of my posts before I post them for typos. No regrets here. I don't actually care if I'm lynched because survival isn't my wincon. I do hope I'm wrong in my townread of you if you do get me lynched because if I'm right, and you are town as well, scum will set you up by blaming you for my mislynch. And yes, getting me out of this newbie game is a blessing for me because I don't want to play with someone who calls my post bad but refuses to ask anything about it or be specific at all. In essence, you asking me to explain my reads without asking for which reads to explain means you want me to re do my entire reads post. That is redundant. But you didn't care enough to ask me to do so from the beginning so I have a low opinion of you now. It is what it is.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
October 11 2015 23:36 GMT
#632
Survival at all costs is a scum wincon, not a town wincon. Keep painting everything I do in red, though, and let me know how it works out for you after I flip.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
October 11 2015 23:41 GMT
#634
I'm enlisted, no salute necessary.

And my name isn't Roger e.e
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
October 11 2015 23:48 GMT
#638
On October 12 2015 08:26 -Celestial- wrote:
Eversince/Shining is probably town on town. Sorry but that just feels so town on town its ridiculous.


As a small note on Gumdrop that's been playing in my mind: he's disappeared since his first in-game post. I've actually played with Gumdrop briefly in the past in Newbie Mini Mafia LX. We were both scum side and after a day or so he just upped and disappeared and was replaced with scott.

I'm not saying that his disappearance makes him scum, though its possible, but I kinda feel he won't be coming back...



Anyway I'm getting increasingly fed up with marvellosity's absence to be honest. He posts garbage and faffs about and then disappears. I checked the rules and because he's posted this day cycle it means he's not in violation of the rules and therefore won't get modkilled. I can see him dropping in ten minutes before the deadline with some excuse, posting up a bunch of half-hearted reads and then sheeping someone else as an easy pass to D2 because everyone in thread is too busy tearing into each other. Personally I'm not prepared to let it go that way so easily, so some more pressure is in order.

##Vote: marvellosity


Lol I remember that. I even yelled to lynch the replacement before failing and lynching JJB for the mislynch. I'd be surprised though if its the same situation all over again, which is why I'm trying to give Gumdrop BoD. But the longer time passes, the worse it feels.

And Marv is also an ok vote. It would be nice if he came back and bled town, though, he can be a good town asset. But it doesn't look like that's what's gonna happen. =/
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
October 11 2015 23:49 GMT
#639
On October 12 2015 08:42 Eversince wrote:
Play along now, or I'll call you Patches,


Patches the Puddle Pirate is actually quite acceptable.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
October 12 2015 00:08 GMT
#646
I've never been a fan of day one or particularly good at it in these types of setups. I prefer VCAs and filter dives after the first flip. Unfortunately not playing D1 puts me at risk of being mislynched so I've tried to play but every time I do so, someone calls my posts bad so I resort to one liners and quips. I'm sorry if that's taking a toll on you, OO.

ES, I'm torn. On the one hand, I'm starting to get a sick satisfaction from your tunnel on me but on the other hand, Marv is one of my actual scumread. Why u do this to me??

Marv with a one page filter is not town Marv. He has the potential to lead and carry town when he actually cares about the game. He even raised suspicion on me when no one else would early in my last scum game. At the risk of you telling me I'm just reiterating what's already been said(Celestials post), it just doesn't look like town Marv.

His entrance is weak. His catch up post gets us nowhere(he's in love with you apparently) and he defends Gumdrop strangely, I.e. gumdrop does Gumdrop things when literally everyone else has Gum as scum or plynch. He says SLs reaction to you was totally beyond him, but doesn't say whether that makes SL scum or not. So another useless post.

And he apparently doesn't have any opinions outside of what I've just summarized, or else he would have offered them, which means he's not interested in solving the game. Not interested in solving the game = scum. He even said so himself last game.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
October 12 2015 00:27 GMT
#652
On October 12 2015 09:13 Fecalfeast wrote:
OO's recent posts are good and I like them.

##unvote
##vote marvellosity


might as well lynch the obvious... one wait that wasn't intentional


shining you just called me out for saying moosey bused his whole team, then you say that mafia's wincon is to survive? By that logic, town's wincon is also to survive because if enough townies die the game ends...


At least you still make me laugh.

Objectively mafia's wincon is to survive long enough to outnumber/endgame town. But if you feel bussing, or distancing from teammates is necessary, you do so. And towns wincon is lynch scum. Survival is secondary. If a town flip ends up revealing scum due to a VCA or a strange read before they hammer the mislynch, then sometimes the town player was more beneficial to town by dying than by living.

Or if its a town that isn't playing or is scumsiding, its better they are gone before lylo instead of being question marks when the game is on the line. Gumdrop, for instance. No posts, nothing to go off of. Town would potentially be screwed if Gumdrop made it to lylo and was town. That's why the vigishot is an important tool. You aim for scum but at worse, you take out a scummy town.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
October 12 2015 00:31 GMT
#654
On October 12 2015 09:15 Eversince wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2015 09:08 The Shining wrote:
I've never been a fan of day one or particularly good at it in these types of setups. I prefer VCAs and filter dives after the first flip. Unfortunately not playing D1 puts me at risk of being mislynched so I've tried to play but every time I do so, someone calls my posts bad so I resort to one liners and quips. I'm sorry if that's taking a toll on you, OO.

ES, I'm torn. On the one hand, I'm starting to get a sick satisfaction from your tunnel on me but on the other hand, Marv is one of my actual scumread. Why u do this to me??

Marv with a one page filter is not town Marv. He has the potential to lead and carry town when he actually cares about the game. He even raised suspicion on me when no one else would early in my last scum game. At the risk of you telling me I'm just reiterating what's already been said(Celestials post), it just doesn't look like town Marv.

His entrance is weak. His catch up post gets us nowhere(he's in love with you apparently) and he defends Gumdrop strangely, I.e. gumdrop does Gumdrop things when literally everyone else has Gum as scum or plynch. He says SLs reaction to you was totally beyond him, but doesn't say whether that makes SL scum or not. So another useless post.

And he apparently doesn't have any opinions outside of what I've just summarized, or else he would have offered them, which means he's not interested in solving the game. Not interested in solving the game = scum. He even said so himself last game.


This is actually good. Marv has done squat all this game. Your beat up over the fact I'm "tunneling'" because you can't be brought to say hi?

I haven't got a care about pursuing opinions from you. You'll either give em' or you won't.


Hi

I dont mind you tunneling on me because you're still asking questions and posting thoughts on others, which basically means you're not tunneled as hard as I might think. But that doesn't mean I can't get a satisfaction from the fact you think I'm special enough to be your focus.

If you don't care about my opinions, why'd you ask me about Marv? I thought what we had was special =/
me answering you anyway and teasing you is my backwards way of saying "I think you're town so I'll still work with you now that you're asking me direct questions." Kind of how you said hi, your reads are strange, let's talk about them.

This is why I prefer to be clear and concise
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
October 12 2015 00:33 GMT
#656
On October 12 2015 09:20 sicklucker wrote:
pretty much everyone is town typing. might just be marv/gummy + one of vivax/ff/ksc

marv would so not try if his team was not trying


I'm sorry but this seems like the easy way out. You're basically saying in a game with a decent amount of vets, 2 are scum and none of them are active scum?
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
October 12 2015 00:35 GMT
#657
On October 12 2015 09:32 Eversince wrote:
I think it's seriouslly better to hang someone else and hope for a town bullet on Gumdrop.


I agree with this and kind of expect it to happen, which is why I didn't go too much into my Gumdrop read and didn't vote for Gum, either.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
October 12 2015 00:42 GMT
#659
Refuse? Like garbage? Trash? Y u gotta be so proper about it? Just call me trash, its OK.

As long as your thoughts on me don't tilt you or stop you from playing for town and finding scum, I couldn't really care less what you think of me. But if it helps, I'm starting to warm up to you. I have a thing for stubbornness, tenacity and being treated as such. It is what it is.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
October 12 2015 00:47 GMT
#661
But on a related note, you're really big into the whole "people posting useless stuff" thing and how you want everyone to be useful. So, dear, can you be a doll and stop with the one liners and quips? We already know you think I'm scum. Now it's just character assassination, which is quite "useless."
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
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