Season of the Witch 2

On September 15 2015 08:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
but are you the martyr?

On September 15 2015 17:20 Rels wrote:
OK let's bring back this little thing.

The useful list of useless people
The Shining
HTS
LS
fidei
Dandel Ion

If one person is still in this list at deadline I'll push him hard

On September 15 2015 17:40 Vivax wrote:
I'm gonna read SOTW 1 and see what happened there.

Btw FF is in my haircross this game.

On September 15 2015 18:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
lol

On September 15 2015 10:59 Damdred wrote:
I might not mind a deadline ls vote tbh

On September 16 2015 00:39 Rels wrote:
Alright I'm leaving work soon so I won't be super active until tomorrow. Let me update this:

The useful list of useless people
The Shining
fidei
Dandel Ion

And this:
Town
rayn
Vivax
TT
HTS

Maybe town
Damdred
geript

Null
FF
fidei
BM

Scum
The Shining
LS
Dandel Ion

On September 15 2015 23:40 LightningStrike wrote:

1. There was a reason I had Tina be my translator
2. I do have trouble playing as a bad guy because I simply don't like to lie and wasn't coached properly except in JOAT when I bussed the shit out of Sandroba without my team's permission but it got me enough town cred for end game.
3. You think I capable of some of my posts as scum this game?
I was trying to the questions to the best of my abilities but he just understand me (pokes at Tina to translate stuff for Rels)
Damdred could be mafia for slacking off and doing any shit this entire game except calling me mafia in 1 post. Geript is a capable scum player you are correct on that and he coached me in JOAT and his wording seems very weird I agree with you there and the fact he asked rayn a little bit about me(I think I reading what you said in a earlier post) so he could be mafia for the weird wording about me. BTW I at college atmand I got some time before classes and will attempt to reread the thread now.

On September 16 2015 03:28 Bill Murray wrote:

fecalfeast is scum for this post

On September 16 2015 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i seriously think BM is town now.
BM i don't think your read on Rels is accurate, i think he is quite obviously town.
I will re-evaluate TT tomorrow, but i still think he is town.
I think FF has a decent chance of being mafia.

On September 16 2015 03:43 Bill Murray wrote:
FF i scumread you for the timing of that post and your nervousness in response to slipping up there

On September 16 2015 03:45 Bill Murray wrote:

nervous enough to type "lol" 5 times in 1 post after you got caught slipping

On September 16 2015 03:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How about you make some posts that give away your alignment FF?

On September 15 2015 07:50 Damdred wrote:
I'd actually like the grail. While I like to think I'm a good town player for whatever reason I have a history of living late which is annoying but it is what it is.

So vote grail for me.

On September 16 2015 14:26 geript wrote:
Idk. I don't think I've seen him as a role before. And usually role play looks far more red to me (for many im red/blue blind). But idk why being a role would affect it unless he's got one of the odd roles like acolyte or wraith that newer players could construe as having a purpose. Plus, it's an 'all blue' setup technically. So rolling blue is far more vt-like I think.

Tldr I don't think so and I don't think it'd matter

I'll check back during my drug testand lunch etc. but I really won't have time to do much.

On September 17 2015 06:56 Bill Murray wrote:
you're overdue for a maf game

On September 17 2015 22:00 Tictock wrote:


This post makes me question giving FF the grail a bit.

I'm thinking FF is town, but the way Damdred lists FF and Rels together as two obvious town is strange to me. I see a few posts in FF's filter that look pretty towny but I wouldn't group him with obviously town Rels.

Plus ofc I'm scum reading Damdred so...

@FF you are scumreading Damdred for similar reasons to me I think.

How does him wanting to give you the grail affect your read on him?

On September 18 2015 02:54 Damdred wrote:
Oh shove it up your ass ff.

Calling my change on shining a flip flop is totally bullshit at best. SHINING should agree with me that my meta read is correct on him in the regard I said it.

He did things that fit with his town meta that he can't fake as scum so I read him town. So no its not a flip flop its a re evaluation so you calling it a flip flop is bullshit and just trying to influence people to look at me in a more negative light.

On September 18 2015 04:02 Damdred wrote:
No clue poopyfeast. Your filter is sorta devoid of a lot of things that I would normally town or scum read you on.

Your only real pushes or reads seem to be me+grail for yourself. And tour push seems to be the one who jumps on it while saying that I could be town or scum.

So would be towards the bottom of null

On September 18 2015 05:34 geript wrote:
Also, IDK why anyone was voting for FF for grail. You want it on town more than anything. Put it on me or put it on Vivax. I don't care which. It's not terribly important to keep around. It's really not. Just make sure it gets on someone we're sure is town. If they kill Vivax on N1, who cares. If they kill rayn on N2, then we still likely only keep the grail for 1 day. Big thing is though just make sure we've got it cleared on town.

FF isn't anything close to obvious town. Hell his run for it is actually really odd b/c from what I remember of him he spent more time focusing on getting it than commenting on the thread.

On September 18 2015 05:36 Half the Sky wrote:


It was something you said in response to Damdred. About the flip flopping of his read on Shining. I read both his posts and his change in reads plus where Shining talked about his therapy/anger management, and there was enough of a time lapse between those phrases where the reasoning for his change in read made sense. I was going to check your filter to see the context of what you said, because what he said about his change in read made sense once you checked for context in both his and Shining's filters.

On September 18 2015 05:39 geript wrote:

For having spent a "bunch of time" in filters, your filter doesn't show it whatsoever.

On September 18 2015 05:42 Half the Sky wrote:


Does that change your opinion of Damdred at all? You had Damdred on a lynch list.



And he provided a read on LS who is proving contentious. Your thoughts?

On September 18 2015 07:00 Dandel Ion wrote:
well prepare to be anally blasted
it will be...... grand you could say

On September 20 2015 03:44 Half the Sky wrote:


I looked at the VCAs, the latter voters (LS!!!) really stand a good chance of being mafia, plus those who really drove the Dandel lynch (probably at the beginning). Preliminary thoughts here.

So for you to make this conclusion you imply that someone was "protecting" damdred to do this or driving the lynch off him.

Am I correct? If not, what are you really saying so I'm not misunderstanding?

The reason I thought was that he'd be DT checked, and I trusted rayn on the mechanics. So I really don't understand.

On September 20 2015 04:21 Half the Sky wrote:


No geript was too. Look at geript's filter closer to EoD. Scum cannot kill both of them.

"I really want an LS kill"

Geript was trying to influence the judge when we were one vote shy of lynching Dandel Ion.

On September 20 2015 04:29 Half the Sky wrote:


So what does this tell you about any of the people we've been discussing?

On September 20 2015 06:03 Tictock wrote:
FF, whats your opinion of BM right now?

I'm also more or less around all day if anyone has questions or wants to talk about stuff.

On September 20 2015 12:35 Bill Murray wrote:
Also I want to say I agree with Vivax on the role speculation from Rels/Rayn/etc

We need to stick to old fashioned scumhunting.

We got vanilla icecream ready to eat

Don't fuck it up by adding too many things

On September 20 2015 20:47 Rels wrote:
I read FF's filter and I have no idea how to read the guy. Here is why he could be mafia:
- sheeping the vote sentiment: being one of the last voters on both the Dandel train and the Damdred check vote, now sheeping a vote on LS.
- not doing much scumhunting, just poping in the thread from time to time to discuss stuff
So nothing strong.

Now I'm really waiting HTS and Vivax to tell me what they think of him 'cause they apparently can read the guy easily.
@FF: did Vivax or HTS correctly read you as mafia before ? If yes it means their townread on you can be believed.

On September 20 2015 22:44 Bill Murray wrote:
I just had a really good idea, guys. Let's set a time for us to all be online, together, and have a good discussion. I know some of you work, have school, whatever but I'll throw this out there. How about 3PM Eastern Standard Time? (5 hours from now)

That's 8pm Greenwich, England

On September 20 2015 23:13 Rels wrote:
no one else is spewed town by BM
so mechanically speaking two scums are in here:
Damdred
FF
TT
HTS

FF scum is no surprise.
I really hope inquisitor is dead and Damdred is the last one. I'm pretty sure TT is town and I think HTS is too.

On September 21 2015 01:06 Rels wrote:
Well we'll see what people have to say about you tonight. Tomorrow I'll summarize why you are scum.

On September 21 2015 02:27 Half the Sky wrote:
10 minutes from home...anyone else around?

On September 21 2015 03:37 Half the Sky wrote:


......

What do you make of Damdred?

Do you think (based on your last post and maybe what BM is saying) that Rels is being opportunistic?

Do you think he can reasonably be opportunistic when he's not really played with you in games before?

On September 21 2015 17:07 Rels wrote:

OK guys
That is multiple times Damdred has posted like that through the game
I know I'm part of the "if no claim Damdred is green" crew, but Damdred has to be mafia here
I suppose this also means Shining was the inquisitor

On September 21 2015 20:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can't Fecalfeast being mafia. The only thing that bothers me in his filter is that there is kinda no mention of James anywhere. I don't know how he can construct a scumteam of three people without James in it.

On September 22 2015 05:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:

read the OP. Yeah it doesn't.

On September 22 2015 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:

My problem in this game is there are too many dumbtells i cannot believe they are all town.....

On September 21 2015 23:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It comes down to this here basically:


First:
Rels thinks it is obvious Damdred and James are mafia. Fair enough.
For some reason he insists we lynch Damdred over James. Why? It doesn't make any sense as he is sure both of them are mafia.

Second:
Then we talk about tictock.
Rels has a townread on him.
but he cannot lay out a single reason why he has a town read on him.
He has meta points, he doesn't clarify them.
He has also bad points that actually make more sense from scum than town perspective (see the middle of the quote below.

Here is what he actually does say about him.



None of this makes any sense because if Rels thinks TT is town, Rels should be arguing why he is town.
It helps the town in PoE. I think it is more likely he doesn't actually have any reasons to think TT is town, because the reasons he has laid out are not really reasons...


Third thing is this:


He can't lay out reasons why either of FF/TT is mafia.
It's not uncommon in itself, but he doesn't even care. He doesn't read HtS scum either.
Like in his world (not counting my next point), FF basically HAS to be mafia if TT is not, but instead of figuring it out by himself he trusts HtS' meta read on him........ It doesn't make any sense because again, if TT is strong town!!! he is DEFINITELY missing something and then it is most likely HtS meta read. But instead he doesn't care. At all.

Last thing;
Okay the point before could be understood if this;

.... was true.
That would mean Rels reads me as scum (as i think the quote says, because it makes no sense to not list Vivax here otherwise). But apparently he doesnt. Apparently he doesn't read BM mafia either, because if he did he would be arguing he is the third mafia. Apparently he doesn't read HtS mafia either, which is quite clear from his posts.

So, given all this, he basically has to think FF is the last mafia given that he has a strong townread on TT (over BM and HtS both). There is literally no other possible answer.

But again, his answer is;

So they guy basically has 100% PoE'd FF as last mafia but calls him town because of someone else's meta read.
no no no.

It is almost 100% certain Rels fucked up at some point when talking with me (i think it's the point where he called TT strongest town after me and LS - and couldn't just explain properly anymore). The fact is he is contradicting himself, and for the person who says he is being scumhunting all game long it doesn't make any fucking sense that NOW, suddenly NOW he really doesn't care about scumhunting anymore. (yes he really doesn't, i think i have pointed that out clearly).

+ the fact i brought up on D1;
It is a minor point but i think it still stands. Here;

I actaully think Rels is trying to push a mislynch on Damdred who is inactive for whatever reason. He knows LS is gonna claim on D2 because i WILL be pushing him for his play and LS doesn't listen / think properly.
His play doesn't make any sense otherwise (another point on my argument on the James/Damdred thing).

Rels is scum. Nothing in his play on D2 makes any sense.
He has only been interested in people who he should not be interested in (except for BM, but that didn't go anywhere). After that, he just doesn't care about people he should care about (TT/FF).

On September 22 2015 05:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
FF let's see who do you not call mafia on this phase.

On September 22 2015 05:55 Half the Sky wrote:


So what are you trying to say here? I think you might want to completely catch up on the thread before declaring rayn/rels/me scum, if your read is based on that.

On September 22 2015 04:01 Rels wrote:

I'm way more sure Damdred is mafia than fidei.
I was scumreading Damdred D1, and that's why I pushed the plan to check him.
Starting with this post I'm sure Damdred is mafia:

He multiple times said he would do stuff and ended up not doing it without excuses. I saw he did it again after I left. Damdred is mafia and if it's suspicious you cannot see it.
I had a townread on fidei D1. I started having a scumread after his "inquisitor should claim" and his inactivity D2 as showed here:

Now I'm not convinced he's mafia, and in opposition to Damdred, his excuses are valid as they have mostly been validated by HTS. Your case on him isn't very strong I feel. Him not being sure about HTS for example doesn't mean anything.
So I would lynch him, but not over Damdred.


Before today I didn't have to do a case to defend TT. And BTW I think he's town but I'm interested about what he has to say about your points, I think he didn't address them. During the weekend I had a lot of time, that I used to read filters before being stopped by that stupid BM fight.
I stand by all of what you quoted, if TT is town he fooled me until now. But I'll do a TT case when I have time (IE not tonight, unless the lynch is set before deadline). BTW that's why I wanted and I still want to have him checked if fidei is dead tonight:



You say here I'm not fucking scumhunting. Guess what I was doing while you were AFK during the weekend; I filter dove to check if LS was really scum and who were the other mafias. In spoiler 'cause it's long:
+ Show Spoiler +
Then I was stopped by BM attacking me hard.
And I have a fucking scum team of 3 people: Damdred, fidei, BM, in order of likeliness.
Damdred is 99% mafia.
Fidei has legit excuses, but uses them to do nothing this day and wants the inquisitor to not claim a red check.
BM's first batch of posts D2 are nonsense if he's town unless he's one certain role.
So yeah, I think FF AND TT are town over those three people.


Please show me where I fucked up at some point since you are 100% certain.
You admited since you misunderstood my post, so I assume this is retracted ? Unless you found another contradiction.


You again say your argument that it's weird I voted Dandel over LS N1. But you're not showing me HOW my Dandel push is scummy. Especially now that I think LS is town, you cannot say LS was a better lynch atm. Now that he has claimed, obviously he was the better lynch, but I don't think he's mafia.

On September 22 2015 04:14 Rels wrote:

Alright rayn.
BM's first batch of posts was about Damdred being mafia, before we could see if Damdred would play today.
He voted him, pushed him, and started making association (yeah finally found that fucking word) cases based on Damdred being mafia.
BUT Damdred was 99% being checked tonight. EVEN IF BM didn't believe Damdred was town, he should have waited until we had more infos about the inquisitor; so at least D3. At the very least, he should have waited to see if the inquisitor would claim.
So BM knows Damdred is scum. He is either his teammate or the inquisitor.
Talking about these posts:

On September 22 2015 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
FF get your ass here and change your vote.