On September 16 2015 16:44 Rels wrote: OK LS. I will try to explain what I think so we can understand each other this time. Everybody seems to have drop the scumread on you, and I understand. Your posts really show anger at being scumread, then free of mind where you're not anymore. Please, if you're town, read carefully what others are saying, 'cause it's super frustrating to not be understood. I'll ask you two questions that need elaboration to answer, so take the time to do this right.
1. You said to HTS "some of the posts" you did this game were posts you would never make as scum. Can you show me a few example and explain to me why you wouldn't post that as scum ?
2. Your geript scumread is interesting, 'cause of the following: my reason for townreading geript was that I thought you were scum, and I didn't think geript would bus this early in the game. Now obviously if you're town, this push on you isn't alignment indicative anymore. What you are saying is that geript lied to explain his vote on you. You're saying this is a lie:
On September 15 2015 10:46 geript wrote:
On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote: So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all?
When he's town he'll still follow the leader, but he'll generally over talk about a random reason he's thought against it. A less than LS question.
Can you prove this is a lie ? For example, you talked about a game where you didn't do this. Was geript in this game or obsing this game ?
1. I was mainly asking HTS if she thinks I can any of the posts as scum instead of town since me and her actually been playing together since November of last year so she got lots of experience with playing with me.
2. Geript wasn't in that game nor obsing that game(Carol of the Bells Mafia) but in that game I actually went away from following the town leader at the time GlowingBear and pushed for my own lynch of Tubesock because I tohught Tubesock scum slipped about the amount of scum in the setup lol.
So LS, to answer your question there, you played VERY close to your town meta in JOAT, and you had me and even rsoultin totally fooled. You also were not doing too badly/too far off that in TL LXX (Guardians of the Galaxy) until you got hit by the tracker. You obviously had a much weaker scum game in Witchcraft 3, so I decided (as you can see in the post I made to you about how Rels read you) to try and flesh out your thinking with the three points (articulation/current scum meta/town capability) I had in mind. I think with the games I do have under my belt with you, it's probably the best way I can get a handle on you. Once you started providing the reads you did, along with the responses to some of the other questions others were asking, I felt you were probably town.
so vivax rayn hts shining as super town. rels as town just for trying hard lol, HTS is shaky... Damdred I'm still scumming but he may just have given up and be being a poop as either alignment. Waiting on that content as promised.
I don't feel like making a full list post but I want people to post more so I'll just shitpost a while
On September 16 2015 20:22 Vivax wrote: I find it interesting he points out how he disagrees with me and not rayn who at the time agreed with me on Rels and TT, and BM called rayn town from the get go. What irks me here is that he prefers to compare his reads to mine rather than to rayn's. Will have to take a closer look at that I guess.
On September 16 2015 20:49 Vivax wrote: This BM asimmetry of communication is rather blatant. It feels like he turns more of a blind eye towards his TR rayn than to unCCd town role Vivax, almost like he wanted to avoid discussing with rayn.
Saw this, I ran through BM's filter - posts 412, 434, there's a few points where he discusses that - actually the contrast for TT/Rels is discussed in 412. Unless you missed that post entirely and that's what you meant, but I am reading post 412 and I'm not seeing how that post is scum-indicative for BM. Maybe tonewise he seemed a bit confrontational on how you read it, but it sounds like meta or his experience playing with you. Nothing jumped out at me as unusual/scummy for him.
On September 16 2015 16:44 Rels wrote: OK LS. I will try to explain what I think so we can understand each other this time. Everybody seems to have drop the scumread on you, and I understand. Your posts really show anger at being scumread, then free of mind where you're not anymore. Please, if you're town, read carefully what others are saying, 'cause it's super frustrating to not be understood. I'll ask you two questions that need elaboration to answer, so take the time to do this right.
1. You said to HTS "some of the posts" you did this game were posts you would never make as scum. Can you show me a few example and explain to me why you wouldn't post that as scum ?
2. Your geript scumread is interesting, 'cause of the following: my reason for townreading geript was that I thought you were scum, and I didn't think geript would bus this early in the game. Now obviously if you're town, this push on you isn't alignment indicative anymore. What you are saying is that geript lied to explain his vote on you. You're saying this is a lie:
On September 15 2015 10:46 geript wrote:
On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote: So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all?
When he's town he'll still follow the leader, but he'll generally over talk about a random reason he's thought against it. A less than LS question.
Can you prove this is a lie ? For example, you talked about a game where you didn't do this. Was geript in this game or obsing this game ?
1. I was mainly asking HTS if she thinks I can any of the posts as scum instead of town since me and her actually been playing together since November of last year so she got lots of experience with playing with me.
2. Geript wasn't in that game nor obsing that game(Carol of the Bells Mafia) but in that game I actually went away from following the town leader at the time GlowingBear and pushed for my own lynch of Tubesock because I tohught Tubesock scum slipped about the amount of scum in the setup lol.
So LS, to answer your question there, you played VERY close to your town meta in JOAT, and you had me and even rsoultin totally fooled. You also were not doing too badly/too far off that in TL LXX (Guardians of the Galaxy) until you got hit by the tracker. You obviously had a much weaker scum game in Witchcraft 3, so I decided (as you can see in the post I made to you about how Rels read you) to try and flesh out your thinking with the three points (articulation/current scum meta/town capability) I had in mind. I think with the games I do have under my belt with you, it's probably the best way I can get a handle on you. Once you started providing the reads you did, along with the responses to some of the other questions others were asking, I felt you were probably town.
To be fair in JOAT I was coached by Geript and the fact that town was very disoraganized there made it easy for me to hide there lol. If I was caught it was mainly because I wasn't posting as much as I did normally in JOAT. Guardians I just was hit by a rl truck at end of Day 1 there so I basically claimed scum and people had no idea who would be mafia with me there. Witchcraft 3 I had no motivation at all because I Was leaving for that weekend to Houston and didn't want to play much while on a mini vacation but WBG used a perfect meta case on me there so meh. Didn't help GB was smurfing and was being insane in that scum qt >.>
I'm on the latter part of Tictock's filter and honestly finding his filter direction tenuous in general - I'm assuming he's scumreading Fidei for finding the push on LS suspicious but I thought he stressed part of that reason for scumming Tictock was that the read felt a little "safe" in that other people already were doing it. I didn't see Fidei's read as being unreasonable.
Also from about the second half of his filter (from posts 583 to about 609) I am having trouble telling whether he's trying to scumread rayn or just try and understand what he's saying. I know rayn somewhere in there tried to clarify a sequence of events but regardless I'm still pretty unclear where Tictock is going after post 609, the conclusion is really unclear as to where he stands on rayn if he's clarified where his townread on geript is coming from.
Also noticed when he asked Dandel how he'd describe his posting and didn't follow up with his response (Dandel had replied "conscious" or something) - not sure if he missed that or just ignored it.
But lack of direction on that end warrants a scumlean. Also not understanding why he finds the Fidei read poor which is easy to trace if you look at the back and forth in his filter.
Okay so tomorrow morning when I get some sleep I will read Ticktock's filter as I was to busy with homework for college so when I get back I will read Ticktock's filter and put my read on him!
Almost 5am. The whole Damdred/Shining meta thing will have to wait until the afternoon but still not liking him regardless. My head is spinning figuratively and literally.
As it stands him and Dandel are the top lynches for me.
I'm going to grail Fecalfeast, unless I'm misunderstanding the mechanics. As I understand it
1 I should not grail people who could get N1ed (i.e. Rels/Rayn) 2 I shouldn't grail the claimed martyr (Vivax) - or does this not matter?
Going to bed. Will be in and out through the afternoon going through stuff, probably will still be on the mend. Damn me.
I also really really want geript to have the grail for reasons.
I believe there is exactly two mafia in LightningStrike and TickTok. However my read on TT has been terrible in the game i was with him, so i am not completely sure of that.
Damdred is basically begging a cop check so i don't think the lynch on him is a good idea. I also think the cop should check him because we either get a red, or we get a really good townie (if he can be trusted to be town).
Dandel might be mafia here, i am not sure, i don't really see anyone else being scum outside these four people. I believe HtS to be town and i believe she is right on James if she is town (well she probably would not lie even if she was mafia sooo).
And for the record this is a game where directing cop checks is allowed. There are several reasons; 1) cop should claim whenever they have red. if you direct a cop check and have no claim you know you have a green check without the cop claiming - there is no GF and no roleblocker, nothing makes the checks unreliable and they always go through 2) If mafia wants to kill a scummy player, please, go ahead, it makes town's life easier 3) there are roles that benefit from knowing if someone visits a certain person. well one role, but still.
On September 16 2015 20:22 Vivax wrote: I find it interesting he points out how he disagrees with me and not rayn who at the time agreed with me on Rels and TT, and BM called rayn town from the get go. What irks me here is that he prefers to compare his reads to mine rather than to rayn's. Will have to take a closer look at that I guess.
On September 16 2015 20:49 Vivax wrote: This BM asimmetry of communication is rather blatant. It feels like he turns more of a blind eye towards his TR rayn than to unCCd town role Vivax, almost like he wanted to avoid discussing with rayn.
Saw this, I ran through BM's filter - posts 412, 434, there's a few points where he discusses that - actually the contrast for TT/Rels is discussed in 412. Unless you missed that post entirely and that's what you meant, but I am reading post 412 and I'm not seeing how that post is scum-indicative for BM. Maybe tonewise he seemed a bit confrontational on how you read it, but it sounds like meta or his experience playing with you. Nothing jumped out at me as unusual/scummy for him.
i was just highlighting that our minds are opposite, nothing more, nothing less
i ignore rayn why? because he's town. i'm hunting scum.
Rayn what are we going to do when town are about to get lynched? are they even supposed to claim? I just found a problem with vivax claiming. Let's say LS or Damdred are to be lynched and they are whatever the fuck the cop is called what then?
On September 17 2015 05:23 LightningStrike wrote: I here and got out of class early and I been trying to answer people's concerns straight up to the best of my ability rayn. Plus I take you over Vivax because I can't remember much of Vivax other than he's the Martyr because no one cced him. We don't want him to have it because if he dies when he got it than we lose it for the rest of the game I think if I read the op correctly.
okay. if you are sure i am town and you are right why would i not die?
Angel save assuming Vivax dies from the soup. Also I just checked the op about the timing of the lynch and it's 72 hour days so tomorrow is the deadline so that is a relief for me so I can be here tomorrow at deadline
okay. why do you assume we lynch town D1?
I didn't assume Damdred is town is Angel saves work if the people don't get soup killed?
If we lycnh mafia on D1 are they gonna angel save me when mafia kills me?
On September 17 2015 03:34 Fecalfeast wrote: Who is the best mayor candidate i don't see much talk of that. If rayn is town and playing this strongly and gets the grail wont he just be NK bait?
he's already NK bait after they get rid of Vivax Mafia knows Vivax can be angelic protected and use his save on Rayn which would result in 2 town being saved and then night 2 when one of them gets angelic protected they're at best at 3 kills on n3
Can someone who knows Shining confirm or deny this ? If this is a lie, Damdred's read is super fake.
Shining already explained this and he is town anyways.
if you think shining is town then damdred has to be mafia (pretty much) because damdred has been claiming a meta read on shining (saying shining is maf) which i dont think he would do if they were both town
On September 16 2015 20:22 Vivax wrote: Slight townread on LS and shining.
Scumlean on Damdred.
HtS stays in null territory, I liked her opinion on geript's post on LS, it made me change perspective a bit, had to reread it myself a couple of times but then I saw where geript was coming from, it was kinda formulaic tho.
Point about HtS being that she is showing effort but it can come from both alignments, she committed a bit on my points about FF but not willing to read her either way so far.
Geript goes to null-scummish territory cause of personal meta. In some recent game I scumread him for being too tryhard to the point where I thought he was just playing it. Turned out he was the tracker, anyway he's not really anything like that in this game.
BM kinda doing his own thing, disagrees with me on basically everything. Well, I disagree with him as well and I'm just gonna let him do his own thing for now and keep him null, BUT
I find it interesting he points out how he disagrees with me and not rayn who at the time agreed with me on Rels and TT, and BM called rayn town from the get go. What irks me here is that he prefers to compare his reads to mine rather than to rayn's. Will have to take a closer look at that I guess.
well i have known you the longest and i am a meta player...
gonna finish catching up on the presidential debates (GOP) and go to bed though
On September 17 2015 05:23 LightningStrike wrote: I here and got out of class early and I been trying to answer people's concerns straight up to the best of my ability rayn. Plus I take you over Vivax because I can't remember much of Vivax other than he's the Martyr because no one cced him. We don't want him to have it because if he dies when he got it than we lose it for the rest of the game I think if I read the op correctly.
okay. if you are sure i am town and you are right why would i not die?
Angel save assuming Vivax dies from the soup. Also I just checked the op about the timing of the lynch and it's 72 hour days so tomorrow is the deadline so that is a relief for me so I can be here tomorrow at deadline
okay. why do you assume we lynch town D1?
I didn't assume Damdred is town is Angel saves work if the people don't get soup killed?
If we lycnh mafia on D1 are they gonna angel save me when mafia kills me?
they're going to have to kill vivax, no?
probably yes. there are two things that one of them will probably happen if we get a cop check on Damdred. 1) we lynch mafia on d1 - mafia will kill either vivax or damdred (if he is town). oracle will visit damdred aswell. if they kill vivax and the cop does not claim, we know damdred is green. good. if damdred dies, we know the guy we lynched D1 is red. 2) we lynch town on D1 - cop checks damdred. oracle will visit damdred aswell. the angel (dead townie) should protect damdred. mafia cannot kill damdred because he won't die. They are basically forced to shoot vivax. if the cop doesn't claim on D2 we know we have green.
In both of the scenarios we get the most information out of the lynched players alignment (without the oracle - who knows that for sure - outing anything). In both scenarios we are, at worst, on D2 with a confirmed town still alive, in best case scenario, we have a dead scum, and another outed scum.
It is literally the best play. And i want Damdred to be checked because he is definitely the most capable player from Dandel/him/LS/TT. If he is not mafia he is actually valuable, more than any other of those players.
Can someone who knows Shining confirm or deny this ? If this is a lie, Damdred's read is super fake.
Shining already explained this and he is town anyways.
if you think shining is town then damdred has to be mafia (pretty much) because damdred has been claiming a meta read on shining (saying shining is maf) which i dont think he would do if they were both town
no that's not necessarily true.
Damdred's meta-read on him is based on old information. Shining is playing differently and that's why Damdred is calling him mafia. But there is a reason why Shining is playing differently, as he explained.
Like Damdred's read on Shining can come from both alignments, it's just NAI.
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