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On September 09 2015 19:30 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2015 19:18 Half the Sky wrote:On September 09 2015 19:13 disformation wrote:
/obs ##vote disformationWe miss you :p Deadline for my thesis is in exactly 4 weeks and I still have a bunch left to do. Sometimes I wish I wasn't a procrastinator.  Can't wait until I am done and play a round of mafia without worrying about time constraints. Edit: also: <3
What kind of thesis?
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On September 09 2015 20:52 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2015 20:00 justanothertownie wrote:On September 09 2015 19:30 disformation wrote:On September 09 2015 19:18 Half the Sky wrote:On September 09 2015 19:13 disformation wrote:
/obs ##vote disformationWe miss you :p Deadline for my thesis is in exactly 4 weeks and I still have a bunch left to do. Sometimes I wish I wasn't a procrastinator. Can't wait until I am done and play a round of mafia without worrying about time constraints. Edit: also: <3 What kind of thesis? Master thesis in computer science. Working on a project to continuously authenticate the identity of a person while working on a PC/laptop/workstation using face recognition and keystroke dynamics. The new ideas being how to model this and handle it in an asynchronous manner. The thing greatly annoying me is that I have to collect a whole bunch of data from ppl to properly evaluate the system and the nature/volume of said data makes ppl way more unwilling to help than I initially expected. And I really have to get on ppls nerves to remember doing so, even after they agreed to help... Will probably barely be able to reach an acceptable level of participants and my evaluation will be super late... like 2 weeks before the deadline late, which is kinda risky. Otherwise there won't be stuff to worry about. Will finish the programming part within the next few days and have around 3 and 1/2 weeks left for writing, which will be absolutely no problem, since I already wrote a big chunk of the thesis (most of the boring state-of-the-art stuff and the overview of the system).
Yeah, sounds risky. I am quite happy that I do not depend this much on other people for my own thesis (chemistry).
What is the point of the project? Surveillance? Sounds kinda creepy.
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On September 09 2015 23:01 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2015 22:33 disformation wrote:
Problem is that most of these things can be used for surveillance although it is not the primary or intended purpose.
how many times have we heard that before
Yeah :/
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On September 09 2015 23:21 disformation wrote:
Were the elderly ppl okay with the surveillance and does it help them improve their daily life? Yes verily.
Could the same technology be used to monitor people in their homes and administer electronic shocks via the smartwatch if they didn't behave? Yes verily.
That's maybe not the most realistic example but if things like this get implemented I would be worried about insurances giving better conditions to people who let themselves be monitored for example. I guess this isn't a discussion meant for this thread though.
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On September 10 2015 19:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
meh.. i would play if you would.
I might play if you both play :p
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On September 10 2015 22:15 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2015 21:52 Onegu wrote:
You guys just got suckered into a game with onegu... believe me, that made it harder to sign up
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On September 12 2015 11:04 Koshi wrote:
/in
:OOOOO
Geript and Koshi too. This could either become a great game or a horrible shitfest ^^
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On September 13 2015 03:12 Damdred wrote:
With this players list all I'm going to do is spin the sheep wheel
This. There is also a good chance that I won't be around wednesday evening.
And most importantly: After gaiden 2 and russia today you people should now know how my towngame can look like. I will not let myself be pidgeon holed into doing what I did eod of day1 last game every time. You now have a baseline.
If people who I think are town still try to mislynch me like that I will just let them do it. With Koshi and Palmar there are already 2 people in the game who always think I am mafia regardless of my alignment anyways and there is no fucking way that I put this amount of effort into the game.
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On September 14 2015 15:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Dont worry jat there are people who can actually read you.
I hope so. But I also thought marv could and he failed.
We will see.
Rolling mafia in this town would be a nightmare btw. Worst nightmare: rolling mafia with Koshi and marv.
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On September 15 2015 06:55 Cephiro wrote:Nah, you're just going to make yourself lose all credibility if you don't provide any reasoning for your actions. So far all you have is "Cephiro is mafia, thus it will be easy to convince everyone to vote for him." Convincing as fuck, would vote myself if it was allowed. Is there a reason you're avoiding answering my question, or are you too bad to make something up that quickly?
Hm, I doubt he is losing any credibility tbh.
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On September 15 2015 07:03 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 06:58 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 06:55 Cephiro wrote:Nah, you're just going to make yourself lose all credibility if you don't provide any reasoning for your actions. So far all you have is "Cephiro is mafia, thus it will be easy to convince everyone to vote for him." Convincing as fuck, would vote myself if it was allowed. Is there a reason you're avoiding answering my question, or are you too bad to make something up that quickly? Hm, I doubt he is losing any credibility tbh. This is funny.
I am aware.
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On September 15 2015 07:28 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 07:27 Damdred wrote:
I like ceph and rayn also.
Its going to be a hard fame if more people show up and look super town. I'm pretty certain rayn is town though.
Geript could be scum though. JAT is probably mafia.
Called it.
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On September 15 2015 07:30 Palmar wrote:
Eagles game in 20 minutes, I'm off.
I can't tell if geript making up reasons to call me mafia makes him mafia. Cephiro is 100% town.
For some reason I liked his last post too.
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On September 15 2015 07:31 Cephiro wrote:
@Damdred: Is there a particular reason you want to push your reads out that much that early?
I don't mind you sharing your reads at all, that's rarely a bad thing. But we're in a point of the game where you hardly have any proper information to correctly peg someone with. And thus far you're just posting every few minutes saying who you're learning town/scum on, at a point where it's extremely unlikely you even have a proper opinion of stuff yourself.
As in, don't you think you could be contributing more by asking questions or creating content in other ways, rather than just constantly throwing out reads of "X seems town, Y might not be"?
That's the thing to do currently. At the start of each game people (always the same people) post some irrelevant nonsense and townread each other for it. It is stupid but discussion has to start somewhere.
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On September 15 2015 07:38 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 07:36 Palmar wrote:
one more thing. Is it hypocritical I normally call damdred mafia for beeing timid and reserved, and now I'm slightly suspicious of him for laying about read after read without any hesitation? I don't remember what you normally do so it's ok. And I am the authority in this thread.
May god have mercy on our souls.
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On September 15 2015 07:43 Cephiro wrote:
@Dam: Thanks for addressing my questions.
@ rayn, Moosy, jat: I guess you all have a point, but for now I'll stick to my own conclusions of different actions. I suppose the game has to be started somehow, you'll have to pardon me for not joining this "everyone gets a read" -start, as I'd prefer to be more confident in my reads before sharing any (unless others feel like my opinion is valuable enough / they need more contest to be able to read me from), in which case I'm willing to share my more unsure / leaning a bit towards something reads.
I will do the same, don't worry ^^
My post wasn't a recommendation of this way to play the game.
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On September 15 2015 07:45 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
so no one answered my question. I didnt care that much but it was a free town read and kind of a test
Why would you townread someone for giving you information (I assume that's what you are talking about?)?
Why are you smurfing if you are new here or do people in this game in fact know you?
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I guess I am too slow. Maybe I should go to bed.
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On September 15 2015 07:52 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 07:49 justanothertownie wrote:
I guess I am too slow. Maybe I should go to bed. That won't cure you 
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On September 15 2015 07:55 Wile E. Coyote wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 07:45 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
so no one answered my question. I didnt care that much but it was a free town read and kind of a test Why would you townread someone for giving you information (I assume that's what you are talking about?)? Why are you smurfing if you are new here or do people in this game in fact know you? I never said I was smurfing but I sapose I am. I just have not played here or forum mafia in along time. I even forgot my tl login. People who want to solve the game will include me and try to interact with me, and help me. Mafia who just want my easy mislynch will ignore me as an outsider
Or alternatively mafia will give you your information because it is easy to do and looks like they are doing stuff while they actually don't.
I just think it is weird to ask slam for his smurf instead of making your own account even if you lost your old one. It also means you knew slam had a smurf in the first place which is weird if you really haven't played here for a long time.
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Ok, fuck this shit. Rayn you do the questioning while I go afk you are faster anyways.
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On September 15 2015 08:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
MoosyDoosy if you are town i suggest you cut your bullshit and start playing mafia. sure i'll start looking more mafia. that's clearly what you meant amirite?
No, your attitude is just getting old really fast.
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On September 15 2015 08:03 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 07:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, fuck this shit. Rayn you do the questioning while I go afk you are faster anyways. You always do this shit when you are mafia btw. Pretending you are going to say the same. I remember. I used to incorrectly call you scum when you did it as town because I forgot about 1 thingie. But obviously now you are refreshing and then pretending you are going to say the same things like a townleader. While as town you just say it. Mafia lean. for real #Koshi4mvp
We had this discussion countless times. I literally never did this as mafia or as town.
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On September 15 2015 08:05 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 08:04 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 08:03 Koshi wrote:On September 15 2015 07:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, fuck this shit. Rayn you do the questioning while I go afk you are faster anyways. You always do this shit when you are mafia btw. Pretending you are going to say the same. I remember. I used to incorrectly call you scum when you did it as town because I forgot about 1 thingie. But obviously now you are refreshing and then pretending you are going to say the same things like a townleader. While as town you just say it. Mafia lean. for real #Koshi4mvp We had this discussion countless times. I literally never did this as mafia or as town. potentially mafia for thinking he can talk sense into koshi
:D
I am not even guilty of that though.
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On September 15 2015 08:06 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 08:04 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 08:03 Koshi wrote:On September 15 2015 07:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, fuck this shit. Rayn you do the questioning while I go afk you are faster anyways. You always do this shit when you are mafia btw. Pretending you are going to say the same. I remember. I used to incorrectly call you scum when you did it as town because I forgot about 1 thingie. But obviously now you are refreshing and then pretending you are going to say the same things like a townleader. While as town you just say it. Mafia lean. for real #Koshi4mvp We had this discussion countless times. I literally never did this as mafia or as town. You did in the game I was mafia with you and artanis is balancing was terrible and town lynchbait modkilled themselves. multiple times.
Everything in this post is correct. Except for when you claim I did this on purpose.
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On September 15 2015 08:17 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 08:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2015 08:14 geript wrote:
I don't get why anyone thinks Damdred is town. I think he is town because his reads align with mine. dnu mafia Damdred might call me town without base. Also I am not sure that I was that townie 5 posts into the game rofl. But maybe Damdred became a genius. I was Koshi who trained him in his first game. Not really but I take the credit.
That's like the only read I really agree with.
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On September 15 2015 08:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 08:18 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 08:17 Koshi wrote:On September 15 2015 08:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2015 08:14 geript wrote:
I don't get why anyone thinks Damdred is town. I think he is town because his reads align with mine. dnu mafia Damdred might call me town without base. Also I am not sure that I was that townie 5 posts into the game rofl. But maybe Damdred became a genius. I was Koshi who trained him in his first game. Not really but I take the credit. That's like the only read I really agree with. Okay so why do you disagree with: ritoky town rayn town palmar town geript mafia ?
My point was that I do not see any strong reason to read those people one way or the other while for Koshi I do. I think Palmar, geript and you are all easily capable of doing what they have done so far as either alignment.
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On September 15 2015 08:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
and cephiro town
Ok, that one is alright too. His sincerety felt kinda honest to me.
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On September 15 2015 08:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 08:23 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 08:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2015 08:18 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 08:17 Koshi wrote:On September 15 2015 08:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2015 08:14 geript wrote:
I don't get why anyone thinks Damdred is town. I think he is town because his reads align with mine. dnu mafia Damdred might call me town without base. Also I am not sure that I was that townie 5 posts into the game rofl. But maybe Damdred became a genius. I was Koshi who trained him in his first game. Not really but I take the credit. That's like the only read I really agree with. Okay so why do you disagree with: ritoky town rayn town palmar town geript mafia ? My point was that I do not see any strong reason to read those people one way or the other while for Koshi I do. I think Palmar, geript and you are all easily capable of doing what they have done so far as either alignment. what about ritoky and cephiro? and how does geript calling palmar mafia for something palmar did after geript called him mafia make geript not scummy?
Sometimes geript just says stupid stuff or has weird opinions noone else shares. It's the sad truth even though the argument looks good on paper. Ritoky also belongs in the list with Palmar/geript/you. Forgot him.
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On September 15 2015 08:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2015 08:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 15 2015 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
MoosyDoosy if you are town i suggest you cut your bullshit and start playing mafia. sure i'll start looking more mafia. that's clearly what you meant amirite? I am saying you are just outright lying. Even if you have not rolled mafia on TL you certainly have elsewhere i am 100% sure of it. So yes, cut the bullshit about meta and "wow i have never been scum" and play. Actually my first forum Mafia games were on TL. And I've only played real life Mafia a few times and I've actually rolled town/doctor in those games too. Never rolled mafia in my whole life. Quite unfortunate.
That's not unfortunate. Being mafia sucks.
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On September 15 2015 08:32 marvellosity wrote:
hey guys
Yo, people want to lynch you already.
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On September 15 2015 08:37 ritoky wrote:
KOSHI IS IN MY BRAIN RIGHT NOW HALLLPPPPP
There is no help. You won't be cured :D
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On September 15 2015 09:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv i believe Palmar is town because he is not antagonizing me.
Why should he?
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On September 15 2015 16:13 Damdred wrote:
I'm glad that someone else saw a problem in wil post I was paranoid I was going a bit off my rocker with my long hours tonight.
I'm about to sleep but... I'm still not sure that geript is mafia like I'm in the spot where I think he's still probably town.
I just think he can be this inconsistent as town but idk....meh I'm sleeping on it
Yep, Wiles post was bad and he might be mafia.
For geript I also share your concerns. For most people I would call rayns case a pretty damn strong case for day1. But geript is extremely calculated and careful as mafia with very thought out posts while his towngame is nonsensical at times.
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On September 15 2015 17:44 Koshi wrote:
Anyway I know marv will be forced to sheep my reads. And if he doesnt he is most likely third mafia.
If marv sheeps you he is mafia.
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On September 15 2015 18:55 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 18:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am gonna run to the grocery store really quick.
marv i hope you're here when i get back.
could you please give your opinion on geript when you have a chance to. I am here, but i have ~15 pages to read still
Less talking, more reading.
:p
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On September 15 2015 18:57 Palmar wrote:
I feel like JAT has basically been a non-entity this game. Maybe I should tunnel him to see what happens.
I would ignore you unless I start to think you are mafia. But since you knew how it went last game doing this would already be a point in favor of you being mafia so there is that.
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On September 15 2015 19:02 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 18:58 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 18:57 Palmar wrote:
I feel like JAT has basically been a non-entity this game. Maybe I should tunnel him to see what happens. I would ignore you unless I start to think you are mafia. But since you knew how it went last game doing this would already be a point in favor of you being mafia so there is that. Last game I had a very specific point to tunnel, I haven't even read your posts this game.
Well, that's on you then. And the specific point you tunneled me for last game was an absolutely on point observation of unnatural behaviour.
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On September 15 2015 19:03 Palmar wrote:
Koshi's town meta is being wrong and bad and being an asshole about it, so he's doing a good job.
See? Now you are calling me town.
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It is also your townmeta btw.
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On September 15 2015 19:07 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 08:23 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 08:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2015 08:18 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 08:17 Koshi wrote:On September 15 2015 08:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2015 08:14 geript wrote:
I don't get why anyone thinks Damdred is town. I think he is town because his reads align with mine. dnu mafia Damdred might call me town without base. Also I am not sure that I was that townie 5 posts into the game rofl. But maybe Damdred became a genius. I was Koshi who trained him in his first game. Not really but I take the credit. That's like the only read I really agree with. Okay so why do you disagree with: ritoky town rayn town palmar town geript mafia ? My point was that I do not see any strong reason to read those people one way or the other while for Koshi I do. I think Palmar, geript and you are all easily capable of doing what they have done so far as either alignment. yes to first 2, no to #3
Fine - I'll take your word. I have no problem with what rayn did so far anyways.
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On September 15 2015 19:38 Palmar wrote:
jat did you ever give an opinion on geript?
More than once.
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Geript could be mafia because I have no reason to townread him therefore I am ok with people pushing him. I do not think his contradictory read on Palmar makes him 100 % mafia though.
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He is in the geript/Wile/Onegu/(Palmar) pile of people who did not seem towny so far.
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On September 15 2015 19:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 19:57 justanothertownie wrote:
Geript could be mafia because I have no reason to townread him therefore I am ok with people pushing him. I do not think his contradictory read on Palmar makes him 100 % mafia though. I think you said the opposite a while ago.
No, I said I could see him doing what he did as town. I made a point about why I think your case isn't ironclad. I never townread him.
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On September 15 2015 20:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 17:37 justanothertownie wrote:
For geript I also share your concerns. For most people I would call rayns case a pretty damn strong case for day1. But geript is extremely calculated and careful as mafia with very thought out posts while his towngame is nonsensical at times. Like if this is not a townread then what it is? Because that's how you seem to think geript is acting here as you are referencing to my case.
On September 15 2015 20:01 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 19:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2015 19:57 justanothertownie wrote:
Geript could be mafia because I have no reason to townread him therefore I am ok with people pushing him. I do not think his contradictory read on Palmar makes him 100 % mafia though. I think you said the opposite a while ago. No, I said I could see him doing what he did as town. I made a point about why I think your case isn't ironclad. I never townread him.
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Well, too slow marv. I just gave the same scumlist.
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On September 15 2015 20:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay JAT, if that is not a townread why the fuck do you even make those kinda posts?
And why the fuck do you say "i have given my opinion on geript more than once" when you didn't actually have an opinion until now?
Why the fuck do you not bother marv with this shit when he just said the exact same thing about him?
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On September 15 2015 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 20:04 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 20:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay JAT, if that is not a townread why the fuck do you even make those kinda posts?
And why the fuck do you say "i have given my opinion on geript more than once" when you didn't actually have an opinion until now? Why the fuck do you not bother marv with this shit when he just said the exact same thing about him? because he made a read. you made something that looked like a read and i find your follow up to be inconsistent.
No, he waffled about the exact same thing I did. There is 0 inconsistency in what I said.
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On September 15 2015 20:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 20:06 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2015 20:04 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 20:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay JAT, if that is not a townread why the fuck do you even make those kinda posts?
And why the fuck do you say "i have given my opinion on geript more than once" when you didn't actually have an opinion until now? Why the fuck do you not bother marv with this shit when he just said the exact same thing about him? because he made a read. you made something that looked like a read and i find your follow up to be inconsistent. No, he waffled about the exact same thing I did. There is 0 inconsistency in what I said. yes there is. you did something that looked like a read. you even said "i have given my opinion on geript". then you said it's not in fact a read. then you give another read on him.
The fact that you think that it looked like a read does not mean that it was a read rayn. It wasn't.
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On September 15 2015 20:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 20:08 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 20:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2015 20:06 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2015 20:04 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 20:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay JAT, if that is not a townread why the fuck do you even make those kinda posts?
And why the fuck do you say "i have given my opinion on geript more than once" when you didn't actually have an opinion until now? Why the fuck do you not bother marv with this shit when he just said the exact same thing about him? because he made a read. you made something that looked like a read and i find your follow up to be inconsistent. No, he waffled about the exact same thing I did. There is 0 inconsistency in what I said. yes there is. you did something that looked like a read. you even said "i have given my opinion on geript". then you said it's not in fact a read. then you give another read on him. The fact that you think that it looked like a read does not mean that it was a read rayn. It wasn't. well then you are lying when you said "i have given my opinion on geript". Like literally lying.
Sure rayn.
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On September 15 2015 20:13 marvellosity wrote:
can we get out of this semantics trap?
jat at least did make comment on geript more than once (i checked) although he didn't say much about his alignment
like opinion != alignment read right?
jat isn't going to be mafia or town because of this
Thank you captain obvious.
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On September 15 2015 20:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:well can you go through you thought process regarding the following posts: Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 08:23 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 08:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2015 08:18 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 08:17 Koshi wrote:On September 15 2015 08:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2015 08:14 geript wrote:
I don't get why anyone thinks Damdred is town. I think he is town because his reads align with mine. dnu mafia Damdred might call me town without base. Also I am not sure that I was that townie 5 posts into the game rofl. But maybe Damdred became a genius. I was Koshi who trained him in his first game. Not really but I take the credit. That's like the only read I really agree with. Okay so why do you disagree with: ritoky town rayn town palmar town geript mafia ? My point was that I do not see any strong reason to read those people one way or the other while for Koshi I do. I think Palmar, geript and you are all easily capable of doing what they have done so far as either alignment. Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 08:27 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 08:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2015 08:23 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 08:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2015 08:18 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 08:17 Koshi wrote:On September 15 2015 08:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2015 08:14 geript wrote:
I don't get why anyone thinks Damdred is town. I think he is town because his reads align with mine. dnu mafia Damdred might call me town without base. Also I am not sure that I was that townie 5 posts into the game rofl. But maybe Damdred became a genius. I was Koshi who trained him in his first game. Not really but I take the credit. That's like the only read I really agree with. Okay so why do you disagree with: ritoky town rayn town palmar town geript mafia ? My point was that I do not see any strong reason to read those people one way or the other while for Koshi I do. I think Palmar, geript and you are all easily capable of doing what they have done so far as either alignment. what about ritoky and cephiro? and how does geript calling palmar mafia for something palmar did after geript called him mafia make geript not scummy? Sometimes geript just says stupid stuff or has weird opinions noone else shares. It's the sad truth even though the argument looks good on paper. Ritoky also belongs in the list with Palmar/geript/you. Forgot him. Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 17:37 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 16:13 Damdred wrote:
I'm glad that someone else saw a problem in wil post I was paranoid I was going a bit off my rocker with my long hours tonight.
I'm about to sleep but... I'm still not sure that geript is mafia like I'm in the spot where I think he's still probably town.
I just think he can be this inconsistent as town but idk....meh I'm sleeping on it Yep, Wiles post was bad and he might be mafia. For geript I also share your concerns. For most people I would call rayns case a pretty damn strong case for day1. But geript is extremely calculated and careful as mafia with very thought out posts [green]while his towngame is nonsensical at times.
note here, imo you should be reading him town here as per your own definition.
On September 15 2015 19:55 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 19:38 Palmar wrote:
jat did you ever give an opinion on geript? More than once.
On September 15 2015 19:57 justanothertownie wrote:
Geript could be mafia because I have no reason to townread him therefore I am ok with people pushing him. I do not think his contradictory read on Palmar makes him 100 % mafia though.
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I don't understand how you get to these conclusions because they just do not make any sense to me when i thonk about it from your perspective.[/QUOTE]
I literally say the same thing in all those posts. Maybe you should try thinking harder.
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The only new thing is that I actually give a "not towny" read on geript in the last one.
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Like rayn, I see your problem and the way you are pushing me for it is really fucking towny. You think that I was actually indicating a townread on geript with the earlier posts but that just isn't the case. I just felt the need to bring my point up since you seemed convinced that the Palmar thing made geript mafia which I don't think it necessarily does.
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On September 15 2015 20:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Okay i try to make it more clear: Show nested quote +I think geript is easily capable of doing what he has done so far as either alignment. this is fine Show nested quote +Sometimes geript just says stupid stuff or has weird opinions noone else shares. It's the sad truth even though the argument looks good on paper. this is also fine Show nested quote +geript is extremely calculated and careful as mafia with very thought out posts while his towngame is nonsensical at times. now this is not fine because in this very game he is doing the underlined, and not the bolded, so you SHOULD, as per your own definition have at least a town lean on him. but instead you say this.
What I describe there are general trends. It does not mean that geript can never be nonsensical as mafia.
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On September 15 2015 20:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 20:25 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 20:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Okay i try to make it more clear: I think geript is easily capable of doing what he has done so far as either alignment. this is fine Sometimes geript just says stupid stuff or has weird opinions noone else shares. It's the sad truth even though the argument looks good on paper. this is also fine geript is extremely calculated and careful as mafia with very thought out posts while his towngame is nonsensical at times. now this is not fine because in this very game he is doing the underlined, and not the bolded, so you SHOULD, as per your own definition have at least a town lean on him. Geript could be mafia because I have no reason to townread him but instead you say this. What I describe there are general trends. It does not mean that geript can never be nonsensical as mafia. this is not a game of "never". this is a game of "most likely". you should know that. like; apparently you don't find any of his posts in themselves scummy. apparently you don't find any of his posts in themselves townie either. so everything is left is meta, to make a read, if you make one. you make one, so explain this: from the post of yours i quoted, where does geript do the bolded part, and how do you explain he does not do the underlined? Because if you can't, you are going directly against the meta you YOURSELF have on him, and it makes you mafia.
No, it doesn't. I explained this in detail already.
Geript made a nonsensical read on Palmar.
You pushed geript in a very convinced manner.
I brought up that geript sometimes is nonsensical as town and that his mafia game is more calculated even though the point itself is very strong.
I never townread geript.
I said geript could be mafia because there is no reason to townread him.
Now you are going on about how him being nonsensical should lead to me townreading him. That's a strictly logical conclusion but mafia is NOT a game of black and white. Him doing something contradictory does NOT mean he has to be town and his play apart from it wasn't towny so why would I townread him.
This is the last time I will explain this to you and I only bothered to do so repeatedly because I think you are town.
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On September 15 2015 20:02 marvellosity wrote:
Having skimmed over again and read what people wrote about geript's read on Palmar, it's one of those things that feel like he *should* be mafia, but the point about geript's calculatedness as mafia (which i also feel) sticks with me.
^
This guy is sheeping my point on geript while also putting him in his scumlist. He is doing the exact same thing I do. Either we are both mafia or your argument does not make me mafia.
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On September 15 2015 20:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not saying he should be a clean townread for you.
I am saying he should not be a scumread for you because he does things you think are more likely to come from town!geript than mafia!geript (unless you ofc prove where i am wrong, which you havent done).
Well, maybe you think I should. But I don't. I didn't even say he did something scummy. He is in my poe list because I am not townreading him.
The end.
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On September 15 2015 20:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And marv has nothing to do with this.
What a fucking sneaky way to try get out of the argument.
Of course he has. If I am mafia for this then he is too unless he brought up a good reason to scumread geript. Has he? No.
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On September 15 2015 20:41 Koshi wrote:
Smartest thing I said this game:
Don't argue with JAT, he can do it for 15 pages as mafia and he doesn't slip up. Just lynch him and ignore him. Maybe not lynch him but for sure ignore him if you think he is mafia. Do not bother trapping him with questions, he answers fast and reasonable. A million times if needed and it fills his filter with sensible things for free.
That's probably IS the smartest thing you said all game.
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On September 15 2015 20:42 Koshi wrote:
JAT is mafia. If anybody doubts that.
I do.
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On September 15 2015 20:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like if he had said "i don't think this makes geript mafia" it would be okay.
But he has some urge to go into detail how geript works in games and then fucking go against it.....
WHAT'S THE POINT IF HE IS TOWN?!?!?
That's exactly what I was doing?????? I just reasoned out why I think so.
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On September 15 2015 20:44 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 20:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2015 20:40 marvellosity wrote:On September 15 2015 20:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not saying he should be a clean townread for you.
I am saying he should not be a scumread for you because he does things you think are more likely to come from town!geript than mafia!geript (unless you ofc prove where i am wrong, which you havent done). not sure if it helps, but from my perspective: 1) geript is more calculated as mafia 2) geript did something scummy 3) the thing was scummy enough that 2 to an extent trumps 1 or to put it another way maybe, most nonsense/all-over-the-placeness isn't scummy well for me it isn't, because i can't understand how someone makes the posts geript did. i also have no idea how jat comes to the conclusions he does. i also have no idea why he feels the need to "defend" geript or what the fuck ever he was doing if "it doesn't matter" in the end anyways?!?!? that's why geript is where he is on my list i just think the possibility he does those posts as town is somewhat higher than you do. even if you are right and it shouldn't be possible.
Exactly.
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On September 15 2015 20:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:Like here is what jat said: "I think rayn's case looks good on paper because yes, geript is being irrational and not-sense-making. Therefore i do not think it makes him mafia. Here is why; I think when geript is mafia he is calculated and makes sense, when he is town he is irrational and not-sense-making most of the time. But i still scumread him because i have no reason to townread him." jesus fucking christ 
The fact that I could see geript giving the Palmar read as town does NOT mean it isn't still a good point.
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This is going in circles and that won't change no matter how much you go on with it.
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On September 15 2015 20:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##unvote
##vote justanothertownie
And you boldly claimed you could read me pre game :p
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On September 15 2015 21:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 21:20 Palmar wrote:On September 15 2015 21:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2015 21:10 Palmar wrote:On September 15 2015 20:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv is it normal for Palmar to not townread you here? Do you think marv is town? yes i am like 99% sure of it. did you see something I missed? like why? he is actually playing the game instead of being jerk to people.
That's not how you read marv. Not that I disagree with your read itself so far.
On September 15 2015 21:29 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
I dont give a shit about your meta. I wanted to see who was cooperative. Anyway I took my medicine back to bed.
can you explain why this is unacceptable? - I did answer this question in detail. Its not right to not care if someones mafia or wrong. Im going to call you out on shit like this thats the kind of person I am its admitting your not playing to win.
can you explain to me what "unacceptable" means exactly with regards to his alignment?
I dont know what this qeustion even means but ill try . I said he could say it as town but it is a scummy trait at level 1 not knowing the guy
Why do you think it is a scummy trait though? Because it really isn't.
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On September 15 2015 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 21:46 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 21:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2015 21:20 Palmar wrote:On September 15 2015 21:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2015 21:10 Palmar wrote:On September 15 2015 20:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv is it normal for Palmar to not townread you here? Do you think marv is town? yes i am like 99% sure of it. did you see something I missed? like why? he is actually playing the game instead of being jerk to people. That's not how you read marv. Not that I disagree with your read itself so far. in fact yes that is.
No, marv isn't a jerk to people as mafia. At least not when he tries and if he is mafia in this game then he is trying pretty hard for his standards.
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On September 15 2015 21:50 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Jat I think someone not trying to find scum is a scummy trait thats what geript was doing. I dont know why your trying to argue with me that it is not.
Is this real life?
You are calling him mafia for openly admitting it though. And that is generally not what mafia is inclined to do.
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On September 15 2015 21:52 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Dailymafia
Ok, would you mind telling us who you are? You do not need to - just asking.
Did you play on a forum before?
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On September 15 2015 21:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 21:46 justanothertownie wrote:
Why do you think it is a scummy trait though? Because it really isn't. We know that is not a scummy comment for geript to make. Why do you assume Wile does?
Why do you assume he doesn't?
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On September 15 2015 21:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 21:53 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 21:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2015 21:46 justanothertownie wrote:
Why do you think it is a scummy trait though? Because it really isn't. We know that is not a scummy comment for geript to make. Why do you assume Wile does? Why do you assume he doesn't? obviously he thinks it was a scummy comment. did you miss the fact he is calling geript scum for it?
Yeah, or he is mafia. What's your point?
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On September 15 2015 21:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 21:55 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 21:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2015 21:53 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 21:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2015 21:46 justanothertownie wrote:
Why do you think it is a scummy trait though? Because it really isn't. We know that is not a scummy comment for geript to make. Why do you assume Wile does? Why do you assume he doesn't? obviously he thinks it was a scummy comment. did you miss the fact he is calling geript scum for it? Yeah, or he is mafia. What's your point? my point is i can see where he is coming from with having no meta on anyone. from town perspective. i don't know what your point here is.
My point is to see if he is mafia or not. Hence why I am asking him things.
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On September 15 2015 22:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 21:59 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
your talking about moosy right rayn? you think hes lied about never being mafia before correct? i don't "think". I know.
Then why aren't you voting him, hm?
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On September 15 2015 22:01 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
You have to ask yourself if a "smurf" lies about stuff like that does it even matter? The point of a smurf is to erase all meta and play barebone mafia. Anyway its not a lie if your talking about me
Moosy isn't a smurf afaik.
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On September 15 2015 23:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Onegu is probs town tbh.
Explain.
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On September 15 2015 23:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 23:03 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 23:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Onegu is probs town tbh. Explain. I have 10 more pages to go buddy. My reads are developing and i'm just posting them as I go along.
Then I would advise you to read and post your opinions later with reasoning instead.
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On September 16 2015 00:05 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 23:03 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 23:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Onegu is probs town tbh. Explain. VT claim makes me town. Right? You boys ready? Koshi Rayn Palmar All town. Get those onegu reads.
Wow, what a revelation.
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On September 16 2015 00:25 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 00:25 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 00:05 Onegu wrote:On September 15 2015 23:03 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 23:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Onegu is probs town tbh. Explain. VT claim makes me town. Right? You boys ready? Koshi Rayn Palmar All town. Get those onegu reads. Wow, what a revelation. Dont be jealous.
I don't know if I can manage not to be.
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This is all very weird but I expect rayn to evaluate it appropriately so we should probably ignore it.
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On September 16 2015 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like actually i put a lot value on koshi's and geript's reads. I think i am better at reading palmar than either of those people and i do not believe palmar is mafia.
Thats why i am relooking into cephiro.
Thats another thing why i am more interested in jat. Koshi who i think is town thinks jat is mafia. Geript who us... well not townie says absolutely nothing about jat.
I understand this is not a reason to call anyone mafia, and i am not doing that, but for me it is a reason to look more into certain people.
This is the dumbest thing you said all game. Why are you interested in me because of Koshi? He literally calls me mafia in every.single.game. There is only one game that I can remember where we were both town and he didn't say I was absolutely mafia and that is imperial. If I made a thread with posts where Koshi calls me 100 % scum or scum for postgame bragging rights when we were both town it would be as long as an average game of mafia.
This guy cannot read me, was never able to read me and will never learn. His opinion on me is the least interesting thing in the whole thread.
On September 16 2015 02:25 Damdred wrote:
I'll be honest he did feel slightly opportunistic with jumping on geript but meh I think the jat things are more solid at present anyway
What jat things? There are no jat things.
Rayn brought up an "inconsistency" which I debunked and which wouldn't make me mafia anyways and that's basically it. Damdred called me mafia without any kind of reason all game. Same for Koshi. Palmar called me mafia for being a "non entity" which evidently does not make me mafia which he should know since people did the same thing last game. There are no actual reasons to scumread me and especially no "solid" ones.
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On September 16 2015 05:11 Koshi wrote:
This time I am sure you are mafia though. Previous times I also did it for fun. Now I mean it.
Sounds believable.
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On September 16 2015 05:13 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 05:12 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 05:11 Koshi wrote:
This time I am sure you are mafia though. Previous times I also did it for fun. Now I mean it. Sounds believable. What is that supposed to mean? lol.
I'll let you guess.
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On September 16 2015 05:22 ritoky wrote:
JAT, at some point in this game are you going to become interested in building things instead of tearing them down?
Depends if people continue to call me mafia for no reason I guess. I will just quote the post I made before the game started if that is the case.
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On September 16 2015 05:31 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 05:03 Koshi wrote:
ITT: Palmar trying to buddy marv. Still he got to keep him at a distance because he already gave out too many townreads. I am literally unable to buddy marv. Like one of the reasons I have no fear I'll be lynched is because he'll be forced to protect me. If I ever get lynched with the approval of marv, he is 100% mafia.
Until gaiden 2 I would have said the same
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On September 16 2015 05:35 Koshi wrote:
JAT is mafia.
Fortunately you don't count as "people".
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On September 16 2015 05:41 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 05:35 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 05:22 ritoky wrote:
JAT, at some point in this game are you going to become interested in building things instead of tearing them down? Depends if people continue to call me mafia for no reason I guess. I will just quote the post I made before the game started if that is the case. what if everyone gets together, holds hands, sings kumbaya, and agrees to not call you mafia for say.... 3 hours? can you do some stuff and tell us who the mafia is then? k thanks go do that now bai.
It's not like I didn't already say who I think could be mafia bro. And no, I am semi drunk, slept very little the last 2 days and will certainly not put in much effort today. Maybe tomorrow afternoon I can do this. In the evening leading up to the deadline I probably won't be around.
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On September 16 2015 05:46 Koshi wrote:
Reason why Palmar is mafia:
Got the most easiest hard townreads in the game.
Even for your standards this is dumb.
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He could be mafia but that reason is retarded.
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On September 16 2015 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Not really, jat on the other hand is still not doing shit and apparently is not doing shit for the rest of the phase...
Which does not make me mafia :p
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On September 16 2015 05:53 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 05:51 justanothertownie wrote:
He could be mafia but that reason is retarded. Also you are one of the people who gave him a strong townread. So I don't even know what you are doing.
Quotes or it didn't happen. Never ever did I townread Palmar this game.
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On September 16 2015 05:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 05:53 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Not really, jat on the other hand is still not doing shit and apparently is not doing shit for the rest of the phase... Which does not make me mafia :p well then it would make you bad and i don't think you are bad... so i don't pretty much have a choice here.
Yes, you absolutely have a choice. You can choose not to be terrible and lynch someone who you don't have any reason to scumread and who will become easy to read as the game progresses. But if you decide to be retarded I won't stop you from doing it because I am really sick of this shit happening again after gaiden 2.
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I don't know why people expect me to be supertowny half way into day1. That's not my meta wasn't my meta and will never be my meta. I become towny when there is relevant stuff to discuss/push.
Me having little to say early in the game is neither impossible if I am town nor is it my mafia meta.
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On September 16 2015 06:03 Koshi wrote:
y u no take bet?
If you insist I will take it. It is pointless though since I never townread Palmar this game.
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On September 16 2015 06:05 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 06:00 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 05:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 16 2015 05:53 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Not really, jat on the other hand is still not doing shit and apparently is not doing shit for the rest of the phase... Which does not make me mafia :p well then it would make you bad and i don't think you are bad... so i don't pretty much have a choice here. Yes, you absolutely have a choice. You can choose not to be terrible and lynch someone who you don't have any reason to scumread and who will become easy to read as the game progresses. But if you decide to be retarded I won't stop you from doing it because I am really sick of this shit happening again after gaiden 2. i mean, you could just tell me who the mafia is and why in a concise manner.....then i could read you off that and if i am wrong you can call me an idiot. that's like....how the game werx brah to me your play has been this: - complaining - tearing down others' arguments - slightly defending yourself - complaining - calling koshi dumb - asking questions and not drawing conclusions that's not town read material, that's not even give him a free pass for a day material. that's consider lynching material. so, do something if you're town rather than let your ego get in the way.
That's what you will get for now though. I couldn't care less if you like it or not.
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On September 16 2015 06:07 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 06:04 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 06:03 Koshi wrote:
y u no take bet? If you insist I will take it. It is pointless though since I never townread Palmar this game. ↓ Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 00:25 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 00:05 Onegu wrote:On September 15 2015 23:03 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 23:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Onegu is probs town tbh. Explain. VT claim makes me town. Right? You boys ready? Koshi Rayn Palmar All town. Get those onegu reads. Wow, what a revelation. implying you agree.
Nope, implying I am not impressed. If you look more closely you will find a post where I actually gave a read on Palmar though. Hint: It's not a townread.
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On September 16 2015 06:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 06:00 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 05:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 16 2015 05:53 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Not really, jat on the other hand is still not doing shit and apparently is not doing shit for the rest of the phase... Which does not make me mafia :p well then it would make you bad and i don't think you are bad... so i don't pretty much have a choice here. Yes, you absolutely have a choice. You can choose not to be terrible and lynch someone who you don't have any reason to scumread and who will become easy to read as the game progresses. But if you decide to be retarded I won't stop you from doing it because I am really sick of this shit happening again after gaiden 2. I am a bit confused. Even if we discount what i have said on you and what Damdred has (which i agree with btw), why should i read you town? You have done absolutely nothing to help.
I have done stuff. Not much but I have. And I am not saying you should absolutely townread me. I am saying there is 0 reason to mafia read me. I don't even know what it is you agree with concerning damdred since he never really gave a reason for scumreading me.
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On September 16 2015 06:09 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 06:06 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 06:05 ritoky wrote:On September 16 2015 06:00 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 05:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 16 2015 05:53 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Not really, jat on the other hand is still not doing shit and apparently is not doing shit for the rest of the phase... Which does not make me mafia :p well then it would make you bad and i don't think you are bad... so i don't pretty much have a choice here. Yes, you absolutely have a choice. You can choose not to be terrible and lynch someone who you don't have any reason to scumread and who will become easy to read as the game progresses. But if you decide to be retarded I won't stop you from doing it because I am really sick of this shit happening again after gaiden 2. i mean, you could just tell me who the mafia is and why in a concise manner.....then i could read you off that and if i am wrong you can call me an idiot. that's like....how the game werx brah to me your play has been this: - complaining - tearing down others' arguments - slightly defending yourself - complaining - calling koshi dumb - asking questions and not drawing conclusions that's not town read material, that's not even give him a free pass for a day material. that's consider lynching material. so, do something if you're town rather than let your ego get in the way. That's what you will get for now though. I couldn't care less if you like it or not. Then sub out of the game if you don't want to play.
Oh, I will play. I will make clear who I think is the best lynch before deadline/will sheep who I think has a good case on someone. But I will not put in extra effort because people randomly decide I have to be mafia.
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On September 16 2015 06:11 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 06:09 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 06:07 Koshi wrote:On September 16 2015 06:04 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 06:03 Koshi wrote:
y u no take bet? If you insist I will take it. It is pointless though since I never townread Palmar this game. ↓ On September 16 2015 00:25 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 00:05 Onegu wrote:On September 15 2015 23:03 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 23:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Onegu is probs town tbh. Explain. VT claim makes me town. Right? You boys ready? Koshi Rayn Palmar All town. Get those onegu reads. Wow, what a revelation. implying you agree. Nope, implying I am not impressed. If you look more closely you will find a post where I actually gave a read on Palmar though. Hint: It's not a townread. I read it, you put him in the back of some silly list.
Yep. Glad you see that you were wrong.
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On September 16 2015 06:13 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 06:11 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 06:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 16 2015 06:00 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 05:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 16 2015 05:53 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Not really, jat on the other hand is still not doing shit and apparently is not doing shit for the rest of the phase... Which does not make me mafia :p well then it would make you bad and i don't think you are bad... so i don't pretty much have a choice here. Yes, you absolutely have a choice. You can choose not to be terrible and lynch someone who you don't have any reason to scumread and who will become easy to read as the game progresses. But if you decide to be retarded I won't stop you from doing it because I am really sick of this shit happening again after gaiden 2. I am a bit confused. Even if we discount what i have said on you and what Damdred has (which i agree with btw), why should i read you town? You have done absolutely nothing to help. I have done stuff. Not much but I have. And I am not saying you should absolutely townread me. I am saying there is 0 reason to mafia read me. I don't even know what it is you agree with concerning damdred since he never really gave a reason for scumreading me. I actually have a real read. If it isn't true I will spoil it when you flip. But it is real and worked twice. 2/2. I can proof it.
I don't think you even read me correctly twice. rofl
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On September 16 2015 06:19 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 06:12 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 06:09 ritoky wrote:On September 16 2015 06:06 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 06:05 ritoky wrote:On September 16 2015 06:00 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 05:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 16 2015 05:53 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Not really, jat on the other hand is still not doing shit and apparently is not doing shit for the rest of the phase... Which does not make me mafia :p well then it would make you bad and i don't think you are bad... so i don't pretty much have a choice here. Yes, you absolutely have a choice. You can choose not to be terrible and lynch someone who you don't have any reason to scumread and who will become easy to read as the game progresses. But if you decide to be retarded I won't stop you from doing it because I am really sick of this shit happening again after gaiden 2. i mean, you could just tell me who the mafia is and why in a concise manner.....then i could read you off that and if i am wrong you can call me an idiot. that's like....how the game werx brah to me your play has been this: - complaining - tearing down others' arguments - slightly defending yourself - complaining - calling koshi dumb - asking questions and not drawing conclusions that's not town read material, that's not even give him a free pass for a day material. that's consider lynching material. so, do something if you're town rather than let your ego get in the way. That's what you will get for now though. I couldn't care less if you like it or not. Then sub out of the game if you don't want to play. Oh, I will play. I will make clear who I think is the best lynch before deadline/will sheep who I think has a good case on someone. But I will not put in extra effort because people randomly decide I have to be mafia. You shouldn't take my advice to you so lightly.
I will though.
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On September 16 2015 06:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 06:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:
The last time I saw JAT act like this was in a game where he was townie. rayn, marv, and Palmar were in it as well. I'd like to know exactly what they think of JAT currently. :/ which game would that be?
He is probably talking about gaiden 2. Don't know why he thinks you played though.
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There actually is an explanation for this but I won't tell before Moosy tries to do so.
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On September 16 2015 06:48 geript wrote:
Well I'm going to get some pizza and beer or something.
Solid choice. Had the same a few hours ago.
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Sure, it was certainly me who dragged out the geript thing, lol.
Rayn, can you at least try to explain why that one post makes moosy 100% mafia to you? I don't see it at all. I think regardless of his alignment he just made a mistake saying that you played in gaiden 2.
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On September 16 2015 17:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 16:45 justanothertownie wrote:
Rayn, can you at least try to explain why that one post makes moosy 100% mafia to you? I don't see it at all. I think regardless of his alignment he just made a mistake saying that you played in gaiden 2. Because townies do not go into a game, read it, and then tell players who didn't play were in it -> AND make a read out of it. Last time the dude tried to tell me i was mafia with someone i had never been mafia with...
Why does mafia do it though? His point was clearly that he saw me playing like this as town which is true with people of this game also in the game. I don't know why he thought you were also in the game (the only explanation I see here is that you actually signed up but got booted right before the start - I was also really surprised that you weren't in the game once it started because I was sure you had signed up) but that just seems like a dumb mistake and not alignment indicative to me.
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On September 16 2015 17:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean.. fuck.. it's hard to explain.
It's like he is prompting a read out of certain people based on stuff that is not there.
It's like "here i challenge you to tell me what's different here regarding this" when that is not the point at all, not to even mention it's bullshit in the first place because he cannot possibly think so if he doesn't even remember who were in the game and who weren't.
I don't know how this is bullshit at all. I just played a game playing exactly the same way where I was also town. A "here i challenge you to tell me what's different here regarding this" is absolutely reasonable if people call me mafia for meta reasons.
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On September 16 2015 18:05 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Its hard not to sheep rayn here. I think he flips way more then 3/13 and if hes town hes vt anyway so im pretty sure hes a great mathematical day 1 lynch, oh and he jumped on my wagon when it was the cool thing to do. ALtho rayn you really gotta work on explaining things
How about you explain why you think Moosy is likely mafia instead. If you think it is hard not to sheep rayn you have to understand his argument so the bolded makes 0 sense. Go ahead and explain.
There is nothing mathematical about it.
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On September 16 2015 18:12 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Me thinking moosy is scummy is nothing new its in the thread. My top town also agreed at about the same time as me.
And yes math is very important on day 1 lynches. You hit mafia way less on day 1. So voting someone whos probably not a power role and the most likely to me to flip mafia is the easiest vote of my life
THERE IS NO MATH HERE.
What is rayns argument and why do you think it is sheepworthy? Answer the question instead of sidestepping.
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On September 16 2015 18:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 17:58 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 17:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean.. fuck.. it's hard to explain.
It's like he is prompting a read out of certain people based on stuff that is not there.
It's like "here i challenge you to tell me what's different here regarding this" when that is not the point at all, not to even mention it's bullshit in the first place because he cannot possibly think so if he doesn't even remember who were in the game and who weren't. I don't know how this is bullshit at all. I just played a game playing exactly the same way where I was also town. A "here i challenge you to tell me what's different here regarding this" is absolutely reasonable if people call me mafia for meta reasons. It is not the read on you in itself, it's how he does it. Like instead of lookign at your actions in this game he is trying to prove you are town via another game which doesn't make any sense. Like he is making a read based on something that should have not anything to do with the read in the first place.
How is this true?
He is saying I am playing like I did last game. That is looking at my actions this game if you ask me (otherwise he couldn't say this) and it is also highly relevant.
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On September 16 2015 18:20 Wile E. Coyote wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 18:16 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 18:12 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Me thinking moosy is scummy is nothing new its in the thread. My top town also agreed at about the same time as me.
And yes math is very important on day 1 lynches. You hit mafia way less on day 1. So voting someone whos probably not a power role and the most likely to me to flip mafia is the easiest vote of my life THERE IS NO MATH HERE. What is rayns argument and why do you think it is sheepworthy? Answer the question instead of sidestepping. theres math in everything you do in life lol? A flow chart is math man. Go read my read list from yesterday. I posted rayn as my top town and moosy as top mafia. Im pretty sure this was before rayn was going after him but I might be wrong. Then rayn calls him out for lying about being mafia. Moosy denies it. I believe my town read over my scum read. Like you im not really following rayns current train of thought but I believe he believes it and thats what matters. you coulda got all that from reading me
If you are town you should be interested in rayns thought process instead of blindly sheeping him though. Being town doesn't make him right. Your disinterest in this is at best retarded and at worst really scummy.
How on earth does "it is hard not to sheep rayn here" make any fucking sense if you don't even understand what he is saying?
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On September 16 2015 18:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 18:19 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 18:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 16 2015 17:58 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 17:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean.. fuck.. it's hard to explain.
It's like he is prompting a read out of certain people based on stuff that is not there.
It's like "here i challenge you to tell me what's different here regarding this" when that is not the point at all, not to even mention it's bullshit in the first place because he cannot possibly think so if he doesn't even remember who were in the game and who weren't. I don't know how this is bullshit at all. I just played a game playing exactly the same way where I was also town. A "here i challenge you to tell me what's different here regarding this" is absolutely reasonable if people call me mafia for meta reasons. It is not the read on you in itself, it's how he does it. Like instead of lookign at your actions in this game he is trying to prove you are town via another game which doesn't make any sense. Like he is making a read based on something that should have not anything to do with the read in the first place. How is this true? He is saying I am playing like I did last game. That is looking at my actions this game if you ask me (otherwise he couldn't say this) and it is also highly relevant. No it isn't. Your posting style is really similar regardless of your affiliation. He is not looking the motivation behind your posting and making a read out of it, he is using some bullshit reasoning to say you are town. It 0% matters how you posted in another game because you always post alike when you are town or when you are mafia. It matters WHY you post what you do.
You are assuming Moosy knows this. I don't think he ever played in a game where I was mafia.
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On September 16 2015 18:24 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
I explained that. I dont know the meta I have to trust me non meta on a player to decide if their meta reads are valid
Rayns stuff on moosy has NOTHING to do with meta. Literally nothing.
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On September 16 2015 18:25 marvellosity wrote:
only 11 pages? result.
Stop complaining and start reading please. It would be nice if you left your mafia range today.
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On September 16 2015 18:26 Wile E. Coyote wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 18:25 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 18:24 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
I explained that. I dont know the meta I have to trust me non meta on a player to decide if their meta reads are valid Rayns stuff on moosy has NOTHING to do with meta. Literally nothing. its about another game...
You do not need to know the other game to evaluate his argument which should be obvious since rayn didn't even play in that game.
What is this shit?
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On September 16 2015 18:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 18:25 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 18:24 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
I explained that. I dont know the meta I have to trust me non meta on a player to decide if their meta reads are valid Rayns stuff on moosy has NOTHING to do with meta. Literally nothing. It actually has alot to do with meta.
Ok, but you did not say anything about meta so far and I guess since you haven't you "can't" for some inexplicable reason. So regarding Wiles crap this is irrelevant.
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On September 16 2015 18:32 Wile E. Coyote wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 18:27 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 18:26 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On September 16 2015 18:25 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 18:24 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
I explained that. I dont know the meta I have to trust me non meta on a player to decide if their meta reads are valid Rayns stuff on moosy has NOTHING to do with meta. Literally nothing. its about another game... You do not need to know the other game to evaluate his argument which should be obvious since rayn didn't even play in that game. What is this shit? How do you argue about stupid shit like this and wonder why half the game thinks your mafia. Its still meta yes I could read into it more and I still may but I told you im ignoring meta.
It isn't meta. Rayn made an argument calling someone mafia for referencing another game. Rayn did NOT play in that game -> he has the same information you have. There is no meta involved.
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On September 16 2015 18:44 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 10:29 TheWarWaffle wrote:
Palmar: Appears to be town. Sheeps raynpelikoneet and assures us that he is for sure town based on the way he is playing. Is suspicious of MoosyDoosy but doesn't want to lynch him for reasons unknown. Wants to lynch marvellosity instead.
There are some alarms in his play but I am not going to do anything about them today. If he is mafia he's doing the Imperial version (where he is not obvious) as opposed to the shit version that you can lynch on day 1. [/b]
This is where I am at too.
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On September 16 2015 18:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This WarWaffle guy is hilarious and probably town.
Why? His big post was basically a summary of what happened and it wasn't even correct. He didn't say much in it.
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On September 16 2015 18:52 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 18:46 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 18:44 Palmar wrote:On September 16 2015 10:29 TheWarWaffle wrote:
Palmar: Appears to be town. Sheeps raynpelikoneet and assures us that he is for sure town based on the way he is playing. Is suspicious of MoosyDoosy but doesn't want to lynch him for reasons unknown. Wants to lynch marvellosity instead.
There are some alarms in his play but I am not going to do anything about them today. If he is mafia he's doing the Imperial version (where he is not obvious) as opposed to the shit version that you can lynch on day 1. This is where I am at too. yeah but you're mafia so that doesn't count.
You are boring.
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On September 16 2015 19:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:haha ^^ nvm again. now let's just lynch moosy. then lynch jat, then cephiro.
Your moosy stuff is really weak and if you do not explain your weird meta it won't become any more convincing. I am town.
There is room for improvement here.
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On September 16 2015 19:20 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 19:18 Palmar wrote:
I haven't even read rayn's case on moosy.
Also I can't even remember cephiro posting after a strong start so he is getting a downgrade. This is correct. So there was some normal game ages ago now where I superhardpushed (remember those days?) Cephiro on d2 because i was convinced he was mafia (he was) then i thought he was mafia in a game soon after and pushed him again, except this time he wasn't. In that game he posted more kinda self-centred wall of texts like he has here, which led me to my early townread on him in this case but if he's not playing, maybe he just decided that was his effort for the day. dno though, will think about it a bit later
You're probably talking about TL Noir and Hogwarts.
On September 16 2015 19:40 Palmar wrote:
JAT could also be mafia. I am actually serious that he could be. There's a lot of argumentative loud people in this game and there is plenty to stuff I talk about. I just get this overall feeling that he's always sort of in the background. Maybe I'm just ignoring his posts but whenever people are talking in the thread (for example this morning) it feels like he is offering way less to the discussion than everyone else who is talking.
You can say I was in the background yesterday. But not today - that's just plain untrue. Not that it would make me mafia anyways.
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On September 16 2015 19:50 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 18:31 ritoky wrote:
i think what rayn is trying to say is that moosy was trying to use specific plays and characteristics of JAT in a specific game to give him a town read when he couldn't even remember the general information of the game (who was playing) especially considering it was recent. It makes the read feel like bullshit cuz he is trying to make a meta argument when it is kinda clear he didn't do basic research on it or remember it fully accurately. makes the read in the very least hard to trust.
i kinda understand the thought behind moosy's read but not necessarily his justification or source. cuz there is a point for most players if you're mafia day 1 about to get lynched where you have to switch to pandering/defense/buying votes mode and out of obstinate antagonistic dick mode. jat didn't switch out of being obstinate when under legitimate lynch pressure which trends slightly toward town, but i doubt it is outside of his capabilities as mafia so it really isn't an indicator in the slightest. the thing is, see the post that me/palmar quoted from last game. moosy was very inaccurate with details there. i just don't even BEGIN to grasp what rayn is pushing here :/
Unless there is some super secret meta reasoning it is just bad.
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What do you think of Palmar?
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Or the ritoky vs damdred thing. Considering their claimed accuracy of reading each other that should be interesting too.
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I think damdred started the game throwing townreads around and then at some point just fell off a cliff.
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On September 16 2015 20:05 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 20:01 justanothertownie wrote:
Or the ritoky vs damdred thing. Considering their claimed accuracy of reading each other that should be interesting too. yes i saw that, but decided to leave them to have it out at some stage i don't really want to touch damdred with a bargepole if you do, please go ahead :>
The question is WHY do you not want to touch damdred? Because you have been wrong on him before? Doesn't make any sense. You even said I could be mafia and if there is any player in the game you wouldn't talk about it is me.
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On September 16 2015 20:10 Wile E. Coyote wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 19:48 marvellosity wrote:On September 16 2015 18:12 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Me thinking moosy is scummy is nothing new its in the thread. My top town also agreed at about the same time as me.
And yes math is very important on day 1 lynches. You hit mafia way less on day 1. So voting someone whos probably not a power role and the most likely to me to flip mafia is the easiest vote of my life lol can't tell if townie or scummy when i am mafiai am not voting someone that is believed to be vt. Thats for damn sure im going after potential poweroles. I think if theres clear evidence im town its that im voting a claimed vt because i am not terrible. In the format I play protecting power roles is super important and finding them as mafia is even more. I have moosys range as vt/ lying about being vt for cheap newbie town reads.
Powerroles are way less important in forum mafia. Mafia will almost never push someone because they think it is a powerrole. It is hard enough to get any kind of mislynch going without giving yourself away.
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On September 16 2015 20:13 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 20:11 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 20:05 marvellosity wrote:On September 16 2015 20:01 justanothertownie wrote:
Or the ritoky vs damdred thing. Considering their claimed accuracy of reading each other that should be interesting too. yes i saw that, but decided to leave them to have it out at some stage i don't really want to touch damdred with a bargepole if you do, please go ahead :> The question is WHY do you not want to touch damdred? Because you have been wrong on him before? Doesn't make any sense. You even said I could be mafia and if there is any player in the game you wouldn't talk about it is me. this has been my damdred strat for some games now. you approving or not doesn't matter very much to me bbz. see his pre-game comment even
So you will just forever abstain from reading damdred? You could just say what you think of his play and put a disclaimer on it. You know, like you do with your read on me all the time.
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If you really like ritoky this game damdred should be in your lynchpool.
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On September 16 2015 20:17 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Well thats not really true at all. I think you guys just suck at the technical stuff altho you are very good at other things. In werewolf there is always a full seer (cop) with a n0 check so its definitely more important but it should still have some weight here.
Sure, but this isn't werewolf. There is no townie with extra information on day1 and cop checks aren't 100 % trustworthy.
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On September 16 2015 20:16 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 20:16 justanothertownie wrote:
If you really like ritoky this game damdred should be in your lynchpool. then maybe you can imply something about my read on him that i'm not talking about from the fact he isn't or maybe you can't
No, I can't since I am not reading you town so far.
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On September 16 2015 20:21 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 20:21 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 20:16 marvellosity wrote:On September 16 2015 20:16 justanothertownie wrote:
If you really like ritoky this game damdred should be in your lynchpool. then maybe you can imply something about my read on him that i'm not talking about from the fact he isn't or maybe you can't No, I can't since I am not reading you town so far. *shrug*
I'll add this to the reasons why I don't.
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On September 16 2015 20:22 Koshi wrote:
wow. JAT, if you want an ally annoying marv I am here for you.
Unlike certain other people I am not calling people mafia/not town to annoy them.
I have serious doubts about marv this game.
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On September 16 2015 20:26 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 20:25 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 20:22 Koshi wrote:
wow. JAT, if you want an ally annoying marv I am here for you. Unlike certain other people I am not calling people mafia/not town to annoy them. I have serious doubts about marv this game. I am back people? Improvement ![[image loading]](http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/56631984.jpg)
Fuck.
I'll just say I was talking about Palmar alone.
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On September 16 2015 20:21 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 20:21 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 20:16 marvellosity wrote:On September 16 2015 20:16 justanothertownie wrote:
If you really like ritoky this game damdred should be in your lynchpool. then maybe you can imply something about my read on him that i'm not talking about from the fact he isn't or maybe you can't No, I can't since I am not reading you town so far. *shrug*
To explain:
If marv was town here I would expect him to tell me I am being weird for scumreading him or something like that. Or telling me I know he is town. I would definitely not expect him to make this post and subsequently flee the thread.
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On September 16 2015 20:31 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 20:02 justanothertownie wrote:
I think damdred started the game throwing townreads around and then at some point just fell off a cliff. On the surface this makes Damdred town.
Why?
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On September 16 2015 20:36 Koshi wrote:
JAT, if you want you can be the first vote on the train.
You are letting me be the cool kid? How awfully nice of you.
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I just saw Onegu has his vote already on marv. I guess I'll never be cool
##Vote: Marvellosity
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On September 16 2015 20:38 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 20:38 justanothertownie wrote:I just saw Onegu has his vote already on marv. I guess I'll never be cool ##Vote: Marvellosity no he doesn't
hurray!
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On September 16 2015 20:40 Palmar wrote:He just defended me, which I liked.
This could be your chance to lynch imperial marv day1 though.
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On September 16 2015 20:44 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 20:42 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 20:40 Palmar wrote:On September 16 2015 20:35 Koshi wrote:
Palmar, want to lynch marv? He just defended me, which I liked. This could be your chance to lynch imperial marv day1 though. that would make a lot of sense if this were imperial marv
Is it not?
You are just saying this because agreeing would be playing against your wincon so you have to hide your approval in an "if" sentence.
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Anyways, afk. I am sure marv will leave his mafia range soon if he is town.
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On September 16 2015 20:47 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 20:45 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 20:44 marvellosity wrote:On September 16 2015 20:42 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 20:40 Palmar wrote:On September 16 2015 20:35 Koshi wrote:
Palmar, want to lynch marv? He just defended me, which I liked. This could be your chance to lynch imperial marv day1 though. that would make a lot of sense if this were imperial marv Is it not? You are just saying this because agreeing would be playing against your wincon so you have to hide your approval in an "if" sentence. you what? O.o if your vote is on me at the end of the day i will be amazed. koshi's - less amazed
What can I say. I amazing like that.
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On September 16 2015 20:48 geript wrote:
I think I'd like to flip wile. Feels kinda righ. I'm glad someone brought up the Damdred drop off. It makes me want to waffle on him more.
I would be interested in a detailed read on him. You claim to have a good read on damdred and the other player who can do it is suspicious of him.
really afk now
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On September 16 2015 20:50 marvellosity wrote:
actually, this is ridiculous. you don't even have reasons to vote me.
people are on your case all day for not providing opinions and now you're jumping all over me for essentially nothing.
Almost certainly because you think it will make you look townie which is what i just initially thought. but it isn't, it's actually just convenient
How is it convenient for me to attack the only "townleader" who is not calling me mafia? How is it convenient to attack someone who is never going to be mislynched? It isn't.
And while for me "not being towny" is no scumtell for you it certainly is.
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On September 16 2015 20:53 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 20:51 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 20:50 marvellosity wrote:
actually, this is ridiculous. you don't even have reasons to vote me.
people are on your case all day for not providing opinions and now you're jumping all over me for essentially nothing.
Almost certainly because you think it will make you look townie which is what i just initially thought. but it isn't, it's actually just convenient How is it convenient for me to attack the only "townleader" who is not calling me mafia? How is it convenient to attack someone who is never going to be mislynched? It isn't. And while for me "not being towny" is no scumtell for you it certainly is. it is absolutely a scumtell for you, and you know that's precisely how i've tended to read you i voted you last game for not being towny, and i unvoted you when you started being towny bsbsbs it's convenient because it makes you look like you're doing something scum shouldn't do (which is well within your range) without actually having to do anything with it, other than make out with the koshibear
You unvoted me because I busted my ass off for hours and hours which I could have done as either alignment. Had I not done that like I originally said you wouldn't have unvoted and I would have still been town.
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On September 16 2015 20:55 Palmar wrote:
There is no way your responses last game were in your mafia range jat. That's just not true.
I assure you they were.
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On September 16 2015 20:57 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 20:54 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 20:53 marvellosity wrote:On September 16 2015 20:51 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 20:50 marvellosity wrote:
actually, this is ridiculous. you don't even have reasons to vote me.
people are on your case all day for not providing opinions and now you're jumping all over me for essentially nothing.
Almost certainly because you think it will make you look townie which is what i just initially thought. but it isn't, it's actually just convenient How is it convenient for me to attack the only "townleader" who is not calling me mafia? How is it convenient to attack someone who is never going to be mislynched? It isn't. And while for me "not being towny" is no scumtell for you it certainly is. it is absolutely a scumtell for you, and you know that's precisely how i've tended to read you i voted you last game for not being towny, and i unvoted you when you started being towny bsbsbs it's convenient because it makes you look like you're doing something scum shouldn't do (which is well within your range) without actually having to do anything with it, other than make out with the koshibear You unvoted me because I busted my ass off for hours and hours which I could have done as either alignment. Had I not done that like I originally said you wouldn't have unvoted and I would have still been town. and the many times i read you as town easily?
Those were games where I was spamming a shitton and had way more time on my hands than gaiden 2 and this game. Not that this matters in the slightest.
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On September 16 2015 20:58 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 20:57 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 20:55 Palmar wrote:
There is no way your responses last game were in your mafia range jat. That's just not true. I assure you they were. This is irrelevant to the discussion at hand, but no, no way. Turning around me with tunnelvision is not an easy thing to do. I am 100% certain you would not have pulled it off as mafia. Also why, precisely, do you think marv is mafia?
Because he is not interesting, seems disinterested himself (-> the damdred thing for example) and because of his reaction to me saying I do not townread him. Sure, everything he said so far is reasonable and this is to be expected but there is neither the volume nor the quality of content that I would expect from a townmarv who spent this amount of time being around.
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On September 16 2015 20:59 marvellosity wrote:
it's almost the definition of convenience, because it's doing something knowing nothing will ever come of it
Except for townmarv burying the shit out of me.
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On September 16 2015 21:07 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 21:04 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 20:59 marvellosity wrote:
it's almost the definition of convenience, because it's doing something knowing nothing will ever come of it Except for townmarv burying the shit out of me. if you can't come up with something else than a Damdred attitude i'm consistent on and me shrugging, this may well happen. let me help you, babycakes
If you want to help me you could just start being your usual towny self and find some mafia so I can sheep you. Or you can keep calling me mafia for scumreading me but that probably won't change my vote since it is too late now. You already reacted poorly and you can't clear it up by OMGUSing me now that I called you mafia for that.
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On September 16 2015 21:45 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 21:41 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 21:07 marvellosity wrote:On September 16 2015 21:04 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 20:59 marvellosity wrote:
it's almost the definition of convenience, because it's doing something knowing nothing will ever come of it Except for townmarv burying the shit out of me. if you can't come up with something else than a Damdred attitude i'm consistent on and me shrugging, this may well happen. let me help you, babycakes If you want to help me you could just start being your usual towny self and find some mafia so I can sheep you. Or you can keep calling me mafia for scumreading me but that probably won't change my vote since it is too late now. You already reacted poorly and you can't clear it up by OMGUSing me now that I called you mafia for that. My usual towny self is not to find a target for you to sheep, and you well know that. so why are you saying it?
It used to be. But if you read the sentence again you will see that the 2 things aren't necessarily connected with each other. I would settle for usual towny self but finding mafia would be helping me more. Think of it as a bonus 
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On September 16 2015 22:26 Palmar wrote:
also holy shit lol, marv is right.
the guy literally claimed to have an idea of how he plays mafia after assuring us he'd never rolled mafia.
It is true. Wtf is going on.
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On September 16 2015 22:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Certain things Moosy has said in this game doesn't make any sense fro mtown perspective. He is acting overly cocky when he knows some people will figure out what he says is dumb and he believes he gets townread for it.
It's like what GlowingBear does.
This actually makes more sense but it does not explain why the post about me made you go "this guy is 100 % mafia" because this:
On September 16 2015 22:07 Palmar wrote:
oh wait.
you're saying that he didn't actually incorrectly recall it, and that it was an intentional mistake.
is so farfetched it's not even funny.
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So Palmar, a few questions:
How do those posts compute? You said yourself that marv is FORCED to read you town if you are town.
On September 16 2015 04:47 Palmar wrote:
Like even when he's mafia he will generally be right on a lot of things. For example my alignment, rayn's too.
Like if marv thinks me/rayn are town, we should never ever ever be lynched unless you believe it's a scum/scum situation.
On September 16 2015 20:40 Palmar wrote:He just defended me, which I liked.
Do you think marvs reaction to me was a townmarv reaction? Like, you are good at this shit. Do you think townmarv would just -shrug- and let it slide? Do you think it is a townmarv reaction to instantly OMGUS myself instead of calling it weird when I push him for it? I don't like how he immediately felt the need to call me mafia for it. That's not what he usually does.
On September 16 2015 22:07 Palmar wrote:
@jat do you think it's within your mafia range to attack a town marv like you've just done?
I am inclined to say yes but I don't know.
On September 16 2015 22:22 Palmar wrote:
In general I never try to lynch mafia beyond level 1 on day 1, because 90% of mafia are level 1 anyway (this usually includes myself too...)
Then why did you push me last game? Or are you seriously calling me a level 1 mafia player?
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On September 16 2015 22:08 Damdred wrote:
jat looks like shit still, there was one point he looked towny though. But his ransom pushing on Marv for nai stuff is just crappy. And obviously Marv is going to omgus jat here that's what Marv does early teehee
I am afraid you look like shit.
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On September 16 2015 23:34 geript wrote:
I can take a few guesses but it involves revealing into one way or another regarding the other game. Plus I think fido is in that game too.
I'm busy but I have a tin foil reason to think Rayn mightbbe mafia in coordination w/ how he's pushing stuff. Can you take a second look at Rayn plz.
Can you give your read on damdred please?
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On September 16 2015 23:40 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 23:34 geript wrote:
I can take a few guesses but it involves revealing into one way or another regarding the other game. Plus I think fido is in that game too.
I'm busy but I have a tin foil reason to think Rayn mightbbe mafia in coordination w/ how he's pushing stuff. Can you take a second look at Rayn plz. no, i don't take a "2nd look" at rayn, that's not how i read rayn it feels wrong or it feels right and i'm always right (except once... almost)
You were wrong in russia today. You constantly called him town there when I brought him up.
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On September 16 2015 23:48 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 23:46 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 23:40 marvellosity wrote:On September 16 2015 23:34 geript wrote:
I can take a few guesses but it involves revealing into one way or another regarding the other game. Plus I think fido is in that game too.
I'm busy but I have a tin foil reason to think Rayn mightbbe mafia in coordination w/ how he's pushing stuff. Can you take a second look at Rayn plz. no, i don't take a "2nd look" at rayn, that's not how i read rayn it feels wrong or it feels right and i'm always right (except once... almost) You were wrong in russia today. You constantly called him town there when I brought him up. well, i talked myself out of my early suspicions there. which i didn't have here. my point being, going back and re-reading rayn won't get me anywhere. i never read people like HF/jat/rayn filters very much at all
In my case you should maybe start doing it if you keep being wrong about me.
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On September 16 2015 23:55 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 23:51 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 23:48 marvellosity wrote:On September 16 2015 23:46 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 23:40 marvellosity wrote:On September 16 2015 23:34 geript wrote:
I can take a few guesses but it involves revealing into one way or another regarding the other game. Plus I think fido is in that game too.
I'm busy but I have a tin foil reason to think Rayn mightbbe mafia in coordination w/ how he's pushing stuff. Can you take a second look at Rayn plz. no, i don't take a "2nd look" at rayn, that's not how i read rayn it feels wrong or it feels right and i'm always right (except once... almost) You were wrong in russia today. You constantly called him town there when I brought him up. well, i talked myself out of my early suspicions there. which i didn't have here. my point being, going back and re-reading rayn won't get me anywhere. i never read people like HF/jat/rayn filters very much at all In my case you should maybe start doing it if you keep being wrong about me. maybe you should stop being boring and wrong in general.
I wasn't very wrong last game (except for my townread on VE who was basically universally townread day1) and whether I am wrong here remains to be seen.
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On September 16 2015 22:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:
one moment, let me resolve this real quick.
I think we understand the word quick in a different way.
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On September 17 2015 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wait does jat think i am mafia?
I have no idea where you got that from again.
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On September 17 2015 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 00:04 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wait does jat think i am mafia? I have no idea where you got that from again. You asked marv to reread me. Why would you ask that if you think i am town (as he does)?
Nope. That was geript.
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On September 17 2015 00:06 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 23:24 justanothertownie wrote:So Palmar, a few questions: How do those posts compute? You said yourself that marv is FORCED to read you town if you are town. On September 16 2015 04:47 Palmar wrote:
Like even when he's mafia he will generally be right on a lot of things. For example my alignment, rayn's too.
Like if marv thinks me/rayn are town, we should never ever ever be lynched unless you believe it's a scum/scum situation. On September 16 2015 20:40 Palmar wrote:On September 16 2015 20:35 Koshi wrote:
Palmar, want to lynch marv? He just defended me, which I liked. Do you think marvs reaction to me was a townmarv reaction? Like, you are good at this shit. Do you think townmarv would just -shrug- and let it slide? Do you think it is a townmarv reaction to instantly OMGUS myself instead of calling it weird when I push him for it? I don't like how he immediately felt the need to call me mafia for it. That's not what he usually does. Yes he will defend me when I'm town. This is irrelevant of his own alignment. In general if he doesn't look like obvious mafia and is actually defending me I'm more than willing to give him a chance to be right/useful for the day. So yes, him defending me doesn't mean he's town, but it also means he's doing the right thing and he even gave the right reasons (cited my overall tone if I recall correctly, which marv has told me multiple times is a very important factor in how he reads me. I apparently just sound like mafia when I'm mafia). I think you're mafia so I'm biased. Yes I think it's completely reasonable of marv to call you mafia. I don't think there is any reason to call him one. Koshi is sort of excused because he's bad, but why you tried to ride that train too I don't know. Also, why are you asking me to explain things that should be obvious. There is no contradiction in the statements above, you're just trying to present them as one. I'd call you 100% mafia for it if it wasn't apparenly something you do (see trfel question last game, this is comparable).
I did not ask if you think it is reasonable for marv to call me mafia in general. I asked if his reaction looked like a townmarv reaction to you. Assume for a moment that I am town and answer this please.
And no, I did not ride on that train, I started it.
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On September 17 2015 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I know that was geript but why does he like "approve" geript's question if he doesn't think marv should do that.
Like saying "you were wrong on him remember" is basically saying "listen to geript here" which makes no sense if jat thinks i am town. The post just doesn't make any sense if jat thinks i am not mafia.
I just pointed out that marv in fact has been wrong on you when he claimed he hasn't. There is no further motivation behind that post. It's something I do all the time to him.
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It has literally nothing to do with whatever geript posted.
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On September 17 2015 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like jat, do you seriously believe marvellosity has the highest chance of flipping mafia here, right now, in this game?
That's a good question. The problem with this game is that I should have way more townreads than I actually have at this point and it makes it hard to find mafia.
If Palmar and you do not want to lynch marv I won't be getting him lynched anyways since I will not be around later. So I will probably assume he is town instead and deal with him if we are both alive day2.
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And marv should definitely be a townread by now :/
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On September 17 2015 00:16 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 00:15 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like jat, do you seriously believe marvellosity has the highest chance of flipping mafia here, right now, in this game? That's a good question. The problem with this game is that I should have way more townreads than I actually have at this point and it makes it hard to find mafia. If Palmar and you do not want to lynch marv I won't be getting him lynched anyways since I will not be around later. So I will probably assume he is town instead and deal with him if we are both alive day2. What are your townreads?
Koshi and Rayn more or less. Sad, I know.
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On September 17 2015 00:18 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Okay, but I'm done talking about me in other games.
I'm really not confident about a JAT lynch if it's based mostly off of meta like Damdred says. :/ Is there anything else more solid that I missed?
No, there isn't and I don't know why this is the only thing you constantly bring up?! Who do you want to lynch instead?
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On September 17 2015 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 00:18 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I'm really not confident about a JAT lynch if it's based mostly off of meta like Damdred says. :/ Is there anything else more solid that I missed? He is doing nothing and his vote is on my top townread.
Which both isn't a reason for me being mafia and the first part isn't even true.
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On September 17 2015 00:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 00:17 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 00:16 Palmar wrote:On September 17 2015 00:15 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like jat, do you seriously believe marvellosity has the highest chance of flipping mafia here, right now, in this game? That's a good question. The problem with this game is that I should have way more townreads than I actually have at this point and it makes it hard to find mafia. If Palmar and you do not want to lynch marv I won't be getting him lynched anyways since I will not be around later. So I will probably assume he is town instead and deal with him if we are both alive day2. What are your townreads? Koshi and Rayn more or less. Sad, I know. You forgot to add Damdred and ritoky and say you were joking about Koshi.
Why on earth would I add Damdred? And no, I am not joking about Koshi - this is his usual retarded townplay if you ask me.
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On September 17 2015 00:23 marvellosity wrote:
##unvote
##Vote: Cephiro
What happened to me being mafia? Oo
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On September 17 2015 00:26 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 00:25 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 00:23 marvellosity wrote:
##unvote
##Vote: Cephiro What happened to me being mafia? Oo if i'd wanted to vote you, i'd have done it quite a bit before now.
ugh
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On September 17 2015 00:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 00:25 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 00:23 marvellosity wrote:
##unvote
##Vote: Cephiro What happened to me being mafia? Oo lol, his votes were Cephiro -> me -> Cephiro
You aren't a fan of reading the thread, are you? :/
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On September 17 2015 00:27 MoosyDoosy wrote:
JAT I don't understand your vote on marv. Is it out of spite or because you really think he's Mafia?
I am majorly irritated by his reaction towards me and usually I have a townread on him at this point. So there is a decent chance he is mafia. He clearly isn't being lynched though which means discussing it is kinda pointless.
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On September 17 2015 00:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 00:29 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 00:27 MoosyDoosy wrote:
JAT I don't understand your vote on marv. Is it out of spite or because you really think he's Mafia? I am majorly irritated by his reaction towards me and usually I have a townread on him at this point. So there is a decent chance he is mafia. He clearly isn't being lynched though which means discussing it is kinda pointless. Okay yeah, so your vote is useless. Who else are you looking into today then?
I will figure that out when I am home. Leaving work in a minute.
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On September 17 2015 00:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 00:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 17 2015 00:15 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like jat, do you seriously believe marvellosity has the highest chance of flipping mafia here, right now, in this game? That's a good question. The problem with this game is that I should have way more townreads than I actually have at this point and it makes it hard to find mafia. If Palmar and you do not want to lynch marv I won't be getting him lynched anyways since I will not be around later. So I will probably assume he is town instead and deal with him if we are both alive day2. that is not an answer to the question.
On September 17 2015 00:29 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 00:27 MoosyDoosy wrote:
JAT I don't understand your vote on marv. Is it out of spite or because you really think he's Mafia? I am majorly irritated by his reaction towards me and usually I have a townread on him at this point. So there is a decent chance he is mafia. He clearly isn't being lynched though which means discussing it is kinda pointless.
You won't get a different answer.
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On September 17 2015 00:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like this is what i am talking about when i say you are doing nothing and i don't even understand wtf is going on with you here. You say marv is mafia, you vote for marv, you cannot answer me if you think he is most likely to be mafia, then you just leave your vote on him while saying you don't think you are gonna get him lynched anyways. Like why don't you try to lynch someone you CAN get lynched then and deal with marv another day?
You are just wasting time here and making absolutely no sense.
That is exactly what I am doing and I said as much. Just consider my vote not on marv and move on with your life.
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On September 17 2015 00:41 Palmar wrote:
Also regarding something you asked earlier jat and I think I forgot to answer.
Yes, you play level 1 mafia most of the time. Everyone does. It's not really a skill level, but rather an almost wifom-depth level. If I recall correctly you mostly get caught on level 1 stuff too (activity, involvement, insight) etc.
I don't know now though. Like despite you arguing it, the background stuff I posted earlier was 100% true, but the attack on marv, even if I think it was bad, doesn't quite fit that narrative.
I haven't ever been caught for activity or involvement and probably never will. The only reliable way to read me is to see what I am doing eod because for some reason sometimes I just don't know what to do then.
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Weird how that got bolded....
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On September 17 2015 00:50 marvellosity wrote:
can't agree at all on Wile i'm afraid.
Me neither.
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I also don't see any reason to townread damdred or warwaffle.
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On September 17 2015 00:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 00:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:
There is actually thought process behind you being godfather if I flip Mafia.
What you were trying to scum read me for was so nonsensical, it could only have been a hard bus from a Mafia.
Actually, that's a really good point. Why did WarWaffle say we have a cop? except i don't bus.
XXX begs to differ.
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On September 17 2015 00:53 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 00:44 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 00:41 Palmar wrote:
Also regarding something you asked earlier jat and I think I forgot to answer.
Yes, you play level 1 mafia most of the time. Everyone does. It's not really a skill level, but rather an almost wifom-depth level. If I recall correctly you mostly get caught on level 1 stuff too (activity, involvement, insight) etc.
I don't know now though. Like despite you arguing it, the background stuff I posted earlier was 100% true, but the attack on marv, even if I think it was bad, doesn't quite fit that narrative.
I haven't ever been caught for activity or involvement and probably never will. The only reliable way to read me is to see what I am doing eod because for some reason sometimes I just don't know what to do then. yeah I've been getting random b tags in my text. Why did I figure out you were mafia in XXX? Wasn't it because I thought you were boring/uninvolved?
I don't know. I don't think you figured me out at all since you were just doing what you always do by calling me mafia.
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On September 17 2015 01:26 Koshi wrote:
Oh I probably caught JAT in XXX as well.
If you call me mafia every single game you are bound to be correct once in a while. Catching someone is a different thing though.
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On September 17 2015 01:32 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 01:31 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 01:26 Koshi wrote:
Oh I probably caught JAT in XXX as well. If you call me mafia every single game you are bound to be correct once in a while. Catching someone is a different thing though. Nono. I lynched you there. Costed me a lot of posts. But I did it.
The only reason I got lynched there is that both my scumbuddies hardbussed me and one even cced my fakeclaim bro.
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On September 17 2015 01:33 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 01:21 marvellosity wrote:On September 17 2015 01:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 17 2015 01:16 marvellosity wrote:On September 17 2015 01:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 17 2015 01:13 Palmar wrote:
oh
yeah, if cephiro is mafia it's probably mostly because he took a fairly universal townread on him and just sat on his ass with it. Cephiro is mafia because when he is town he tries to find mafia, when he is mafia he is more interested in arguing why he isn't mafia and reading obvious townies town. yes. although he can totes make posts like he has this game as town. except there will also be more useful things, which is the rather important stuff we are missing. If you read the SMB game Koshi posted a while ago the difference is huge. I know he occasionally makes posts like he has here as town, but when all of his posts are like that (remember Noir?) then he is scum. Anyways he should be back later, at least he said he has some errands to run, then mafia, when i asked him to come play heroes earlier. alright. i will trust you to work it out if/when he is here. when i leave work in ~40 minutes my activity will be very spotty for the evening. i wish we could agree more on moosy or you could find a way to explain things better to me so i get what you're getting at better. Plz marv. Plz just trust me on this read. I tried to in part kinda bs a read on him to explain it slightly. But tbh part of what I've seen of his townplay is an early similarity to how I played town early. Over importance and confidence in his reads/worth to town. That's something that, like Prome said about me once, I think he would have a hard time replicating as scum.
Who are you talking about? Moosy? I don't think we are lynching Moosy.
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On September 17 2015 01:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 01:32 Koshi wrote:On September 17 2015 01:31 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 01:26 Koshi wrote:
Oh I probably caught JAT in XXX as well. If you call me mafia every single game you are bound to be correct once in a while. Catching someone is a different thing though. Nono. I lynched you there. Costed me a lot of posts. But I did it. In fact i did that...
Exactly.
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So, since I don't know if I'll be back before deadline I have to decide in the next 1,5 hours. I will try to poe this down.
Those people are either town or apparently not lynchable or both:
Palmar
Rayn
Marv
Ritoky
Damdred
Koshi
Which leaves:
Moosy
Onegu
Cephiro
Wile
TWW
geript
I don't really want to lynch Moosy. The rest I have to muse about while eating dinner.
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On September 17 2015 01:46 Palmar wrote:
coyote is probably the most viable "why aren't we talking about this guy" lynch
Hm? I thought people were talking about him almost all game.
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On September 17 2015 01:48 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 01:42 justanothertownie wrote:
So, since I don't know if I'll be back before deadline I have to decide in the next 1,5 hours. I will try to poe this down.
Those people are either town or apparently not lynchable or both:
Palmar
Rayn
Marv
Ritoky
Damdred
Koshi
Which leaves:
Moosy
Onegu
Cephiro
Wile
TWW
geript
I don't really want to lynch Moosy. The rest I have to muse about while eating dinner. Who are the mafia in the top list?
Discussing this or thinking about it is a waste of my limited time.
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On September 17 2015 01:49 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 01:47 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 01:46 Palmar wrote:
coyote is probably the most viable "why aren't we talking about this guy" lynch Hm? I thought people were talking about him almost all game. Well he's never really been the subject of "here's a case, let's lynch this guy". Stop being an asshole please, you know exactly what I'm trying to say.
I wasn't trying to be an asshole. I think people constantly brought him up. I know moosy did and I called him possible mafia early and attacked him when he was in the thread later.
:/
Doesn't matter though since we both seem to think that he is a viable lynch.
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Warwaffle feels like a total crapshoot. Probably not the best lynch. Vigshot material.
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Not really feeling a geript lynch either. I think if he was mafia he would probably feel inclined to give an actual read on people like damdred/rayn/koshi instead of whatever it is he is doing right now. It doesn't feel like he is really pushing an agenda.
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Onegus filter is a steaming pile of shit. Sadly that is not very alignment indicative. A good policy or backup lynch in case there are shenannies.
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I started reading Wiles filter fully expecting to convince myself that he is the best lynch today but I just can't seem to. I still disagree strongly with a lot of the stuff he said but I am not sure it actually makes him mafia. I can see some sort of train of thought reading his filter.
This is annoying.
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On September 17 2015 02:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
hmm is Damdred actually mafia?
Is he finally on the table?
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Because I might prefer lynching damdred over all the people in the poe list I posted earlier.
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I could also lynch Cephiro. There was this one post that seemed kinda honest to me early on but 90 % of his posts are about himself and once people started townreading him he just disappeared and only returned when he was being pushed again to complain about people pushing him. It doesn't seem like he is interested in finding or lynching mafia.
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Yeah, so damdred is very wishy washy and inconclusive throughout his filter. Until his recent posts he just fell off completely and it doesn't really seem like he cares about getting his scumreads lynched or figuring them out.
Like he called me mafia all game for no reason, but did he ever question me? Did he ask me things or did he in any way try to figure me out? Nope.
Did he do it for Waffle who he is also calling mafia? Nope.
Then there is the fact that neither ritoky nor geript are townreading him which is very interesting. I think he is a decent lynch.
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Ok, so I think I want to lynch between Cephiro and Damdred. Any recommendations? I have to leave in a few minutes :/
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Wow guys, good talk. Thanks for being really helpful during all of this. I am gone, mabye I will be back before deadline maybe not. Good chance that I will be drunk if I am.
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Why on earth did you lynch moosy? Wtf happened to the Cephiro wagon? Why the fuck did rayn lynch moosy after saying mafia is most likely between damdred, cephiro and me? Good job, you made a town/town lynch happen. Don't even consider for a nanosecond that the people on my wagon are more towny than the people on moosy.
If there is a vigilante shoot me.
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rofl, Wile is Sicklucker.
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On September 17 2015 17:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i have to go travel now. I will be back when on my phone when i have done the check-in in harbor.
JAT please answer me about this wile/sl thing.
I will in a minute.
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Disclaimer: I did not really read what happened since I left yesterday yet. Only took a glance over the result and some posts that caught my eye so far.
So background stuff:
I said this at the beginning of the game:
On September 15 2015 07:58 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 07:55 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On September 15 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 07:45 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
so no one answered my question. I didnt care that much but it was a free town read and kind of a test Why would you townread someone for giving you information (I assume that's what you are talking about?)? Why are you smurfing if you are new here or do people in this game in fact know you? I never said I was smurfing but I sapose I am. I just have not played here or forum mafia in along time. I even forgot my tl login. People who want to solve the game will include me and try to interact with me, and help me. Mafia who just want my easy mislynch will ignore me as an outsider I just think it is weird to ask slam for his smurf instead of making your own account even if you lost your old one. It also means you knew slam had a smurf in the first place which is weird if you really haven't played here for a long time.
And I still very much think so. SL played video mafia and knows a lot about it so this kind of backstory makes sense for him to invent. He also knows this particular smurf of slam and that other people can use it since I did so when I carried his useless ass as scum in void mafia. His condescending attitude and weird opinion on certain things (mentioning mathematics etc.) also fits perfectly.
Now to the juicy part:
On September 15 2015 11:30 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
I think koshi is a villager hes just doing wild things that I feel like a person would not do if there a wolf/mafia. I feel most people have comfort lines they wont cross when they get that mafia pm and him going after no posters a couple hours into the game is one of those stupid lines a person would not cross.
This is a typical SL mistake and it happens multiple times in his filter. I already wondered when I saw it but decided to give him the benefit of the doubt because he isn't the only one I ever saw doing this.
This one however I only ever saw Sicklucker make and nobody else:
On September 17 2015 06:29 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Yes if this is are last chance to talk gerpit and onegu probably best veg shots
Absolutely characteristic of him. He did a decent job at hiding for a while but yesterday he slipped up.
I am confident this is Sicklucker.
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The last post is interesting anyways since regardless of how scummy they look Onegu and geript are the only alive people besides me who did not vote on confirmed town (to me) yesterday.
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And considering how the wagon on Cephiro got overtaken by Moosy who there was no good case on if you people didn't bring up anything new since I was gone and me who there is absolutely no case on despite cephiro being very scummy and multiple people saying so probably means he is mafia. If Cephiro is not mafia this town sucks ass.
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It has been townjat all along. Being in this counterwagon position is actually pretty nice now that I think of it. Will read what I missed and give my thoughts on it later on.
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On September 17 2015 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 18:06 justanothertownie wrote:
It has been townjat all along. Being in this counterwagon position is actually pretty nice now that I think of it. Will read what I missed and give my thoughts on it later on. I dont think that means much. I mean like if you are town idk what that would mean regarding the votes (if two townies are up for lynch). If anything, it should be a red flag on geript because he didn't give a shit about who gets lynched.... and now look at what he is saying....
It doesn't mean much if you are townreading me, sure. As long as you have doubts I am in the better position though
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On September 17 2015 18:29 marvellosity wrote:
yeah, if Wile is sl, he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt for the thing that Damdred pointed out.
Damdred has been spectacularly wrong or mafia (more likely) anyways.
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On September 17 2015 18:35 marvellosity wrote:
can you explain why you think it's more likely? i kinda subscribed to the Palmar train of thought on him, for as much as i thought about him
I said all of this before I left when all of y'all didn't bother to interact with me or help me out.
Damdred has called me mafia for NOTHING all game. He hasn't shown the slightest bit of interest in my alignment or the alignment of other people he scumread. People who are good at reading him aren't townreading him. He has been useless for most of the game.
And what the actual fuck is this post?
On September 17 2015 06:55 Damdred wrote:
Who's going to protect me from jat when he shows up and tries to throw crap on me for pushing his lynch at the end.
cause bold prediction it will happen
I get that it is probably partly a joke but what kind of towny even thinks about this when he is convinced that he pushed the mafia counterwagon to a mislynch? Guilty conscience much? He does not even consider the fact that I could be town or that it wouldn't be scummy of me at all to attack him for pushing me if I am town.
He has treated me as confirmed mafia all game without the slightest bit of curiousity about my alignment. He is either playing a godawful game or he is just mafia and saw what I posted pregame as an invitation to push me all game which is opportunistic and very convenient.
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Like, why does he think he "needs protection" against me if I am obvious mafia like he claims?
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On September 17 2015 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i am off train in 2min. Be back after walking to the harbor.
Lets figure tjis shit out guys.
I'll be afk for lunch in a few minutes and then I have to work at some point I guess. I will do most of my part once I am home.
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On September 17 2015 18:52 marvellosity wrote:do i have to think about him? literally the reason i stopped trying to read him is i kept finding everything he did scummy no matter his alignment :< i'm prone to agree with jat's 'guilty conscience' type point. was just reading through damdy's filter in relation to rayn's post Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 10:27 Damdred wrote:
Koshi is really town here like id be impressed if this is scum game koshi.
Geript has a few posts that give me a small amount of pause that he could potentially be town like his moosey read is something that he would do when he's town. But he just is lacking some form of curiosity he might has here.
That being said that one read on moosey really has me doubting my scum read currently. It just looks so towny of him to do.
The more I think about it the more I want to town read him and I defdinately don't want to lynch him now... I remember liking this post at the time, not even because it actually has content, but because it seems a really natural way of flipping on a read as he was posting/thinking. it would be a very ballsy and weird way to deal with your partner (if we assume a bus situation, which is one of the ways the post would make sense) because he'd go from scumreading geript for some things -> turning it around in one post, i don't even know why you'd ever go about it like this
His filter is very geript centered in general for some reason.
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On September 17 2015 18:55 marvellosity wrote:
do you agree/disagree with what i said about that post though?
or is there something i'm not considering
I am not really seeing what you see in that post. You can call it "natural" or you can call it a wishy washy, inconclusive pile of words.
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Like, am I missing something or why do you tie him to geript? Unlike rayn I am not convinced geript is mafia. But I also didn't catch up yet.
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On September 17 2015 19:04 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 18:57 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 18:55 marvellosity wrote:
do you agree/disagree with what i said about that post though?
or is there something i'm not considering I am not really seeing what you see in that post. You can call it "natural" or you can call it a wishy washy, inconclusive pile of words. it's the way you watch him about-turning in his own post and his conclusion was not wishy washy either
I don't think I agree that this is very natural. If I would notice that I change my mind in a post this short I would just say my final conclusion and the reason for it. It is absolutely possible that damdred did this exactly because he expected people to townread him for it.
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On September 17 2015 19:08 marvellosity wrote:
do you understand what i'm saying in the post above that though?
I understand but I don't agree. I will take back the wishy washy stuff regarding his conclusion. You are right on that one. But I see no reason why damdred would not "close the doors" like this if geript is town. Not to mention that he can easily change this read again later on.
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On September 17 2015 19:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Bhow about you answer my case geript?
Also fyi to evetyone, if i post after 22cet dont listen to me.
I am probably gonna be very drunk.
Then better don't post after 22cet. We don't need you to find something you dislike and rage until you get modkilled.
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On September 17 2015 19:40 marvellosity wrote:na, i've grown too fond of you. you don't ever try to tell me how to play
That was not very nice.
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On September 17 2015 19:51 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
You guys say alot of things that dont make sense. Im going to be gone this weekend too I kind of forgot about it. Gone from friday to monday afternoon with limited access.
This guy will have to die sooner rather than later.
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On September 17 2015 20:01 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Thats not a very nice thing to say to someone that helped keep you in the game. Like do you guys listen to yourselves. You both town read me and now i am apparently mafia because im a different person. Your taking meta to a whole new level
I never ever townread you broski.
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On September 17 2015 20:05 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 20:04 Palmar wrote:On September 17 2015 19:32 marvellosity wrote:
oh i see. no, the point is that mafiarayn's pushes are on the surface pretty reasonable. i don't think this push was ever that reasonable, it just seemed he believed very strongly in it. and yet you voted for it. point in bringing this up again?
You 2 could have just lynched Cephiro instead. Just saying.
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On September 17 2015 20:07 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 19:37 marvellosity wrote:
na my Palmar read is better because i'd say it's even slightly more correct, and what really makes it better is that it is often against everyone else saying i am wrong (whereas you are kinda more obviously town when you are town, usually) People have a hard on for calling me mafia. It's the way of life for a reserved, friendly and humble player like myself.
Posts like this are why I can't hate you even though you are an annoying asshole :p
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On September 17 2015 20:08 Wile E. Coyote wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 20:05 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 20:01 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Thats not a very nice thing to say to someone that helped keep you in the game. Like do you guys listen to yourselves. You both town read me and now i am apparently mafia because im a different person. Your taking meta to a whole new level I never ever townread you broski. yes you did. or at the very least you said you dont want to lynch me. why would you bring this theory up at night I could get nked but not if you shit on me
rofl, YOU would have gotten nightkilled for sure.
lol
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On September 17 2015 20:10 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 20:08 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On September 17 2015 20:05 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 20:01 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Thats not a very nice thing to say to someone that helped keep you in the game. Like do you guys listen to yourselves. You both town read me and now i am apparently mafia because im a different person. Your taking meta to a whole new level I never ever townread you broski. yes you did. or at the very least you said you dont want to lynch me. why would you bring this theory up at night I could get nked but not if you shit on me LOL nice
Do you need any more proof that this is SL? ^^
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On September 17 2015 20:12 Palmar wrote:
lol.
There's 2 options here.
this guy is sicklucker and sicklucker has a massive giant ego.
this guy isn't sicklucker and doesn't know sicklucker is literally never going to be nightkilled this game.
bingo
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On September 17 2015 05:26 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And Wile is never going to be mafia ffs. Yo add onto this there's this moment that just happened. He was obviously catching up in thread and he had this ah ha moment when he thought he caught moosey. It just seemed so legitimate and honest and such a town reaction. Pretty sure rayns right on him. But I think we lynch jat
Why the fuck did people sheep this retarded argument? Wile/SL wasn't even the first one pointing it out. A big chunk of this game was about that shit.
On September 17 2015 05:37 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 05:29 ritoky wrote:On September 17 2015 05:26 Damdred wrote:On September 17 2015 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And Wile is never going to be mafia ffs. Yo add onto this there's this moment that just happened. He was obviously catching up in thread and he had this ah ha moment when he thought he caught moosey. It just seemed so legitimate and honest and such a town reaction. Pretty sure rayns right on him. But I think we lynch jat why jat? Basic run down 1) isn't doing a lot to try to push the thread 2) His scum reads are taken off the table if thread sentiment is against lynching them. Pushing east targets to a point. 3) Has complained most of the game about being scum read even though he isn't doing anything besides arguing. 4) Has a filter a bit usually when he's town he says whatever and is curious... Here he is amendable and lacks curiosity to a point.
1) is not alignment indicative
2) is bullshit - why would I try to lynch someone who is never going to be lynched when I have to leave way before deadline?
3) is not alignment indicative and a blatant lie after I evidently went through quite a few filters and posted very clear and concise reasoning about who I want to lynch and who not
4) erm, what? bullshit
On September 17 2015 06:02 Damdred wrote:
Jats the best lynch probably he doesn't care it seems pushed nothing all day.
See point 3). Blatant lie.
On September 17 2015 06:26 Palmar wrote:
Also his "I'm not gonna tell you how to live your life" post was gold.
What was good about that? He clearly missed the point of the post entirely.
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I am caught up now and Damdred/Wile pushing the lynch away from Cephiro is really fucking scummy.
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On September 17 2015 23:10 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 22:22 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 05:26 Damdred wrote:On September 17 2015 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And Wile is never going to be mafia ffs. Yo add onto this there's this moment that just happened. He was obviously catching up in thread and he had this ah ha moment when he thought he caught moosey. It just seemed so legitimate and honest and such a town reaction. Pretty sure rayns right on him. But I think we lynch jat Why the fuck did people sheep this retarded argument? Wile/SL wasn't even the first one pointing it out. A big chunk of this game was about that shit. Because it is not a retarded argument. Yes, people had already discussed that, but that doesn't make the argument invalid. The argument goes like this wile is reading thread wile reads something and goes "hey, fuck yeah I got this guy" wile reads on realizes that "oh wait, people already talked about it and it's been explained why it's not relevant" The idea is, wile is less likely to be mafia because he was 1) actually reading the thread 2) trying to find things that look off 3) excited when he thought he found something It's not really a complicated concept. It doesn't mean he's guaranteed to be town, but it means he's more likely to be town. Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 22:22 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 06:02 Damdred wrote:
Jats the best lynch probably he doesn't care it seems pushed nothing all day.
See point 3). Blatant lie. Painting this as blatant lie is at best dumb and at worst scummy. He's not even stating a fact, he's stating an opinion. And I agree (although this post comes after you admittedly had started contributing more). I even said as much at least twice in the thread. Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 18:57 Palmar wrote:
I feel like JAT has basically been a non-entity this game. Maybe I should tunnel him to see what happens. Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 19:40 Palmar wrote:
JAT could also be mafia. I am actually serious that he could be. There's a lot of argumentative loud people in this game and there is plenty to stuff I talk about. I just get this overall feeling that he's always sort of in the background. Maybe I'm just ignoring his posts but whenever people are talking in the thread (for example this morning) it feels like he is offering way less to the discussion than everyone else who is talking. Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 22:22 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 06:26 Palmar wrote:
Also his "I'm not gonna tell you how to live your life" post was gold. What was good about that? He clearly missed the point of the post entirely. That was more about the humor value of the post.
You even admit it yourself. I HAD done stuff at the point damdred made that post. Therefore it IS a lie. And notice how damdred never ever talks about anything I said all game. He simply does not care, he just wants to lynch me.
And to the Wile thing:
Moosy was Wiles top mafiaread almost all game right? The thing we are talking about is the main reason why people scumread Moosy before rayn went full retard. And it wasn't a throwaway comment someone made at some point. It was actually said by multiple people and was a big point of discussion. So you are telling me Wile does not know why his top mafiaread is being scumread.
The conclusion is that he is either totally disinterested in his top mafiaread or that he is acting. Both heavily point towards him being mafia.
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On September 17 2015 23:21 Palmar wrote:
marv should be checked. He was wrong yesterday and voted the wrong wagon against not only mine, but his own better judgement. Yes I know sheeping rayn is a thing (I did it myself last game for great success) but still. This is marv.
Here's the thing. Marv did nothing yesterday that was super scummy throughout the day. he wasn't forced, awkward or anything that makes him mafia. This does not mean he's not mafia. It simply means he didn't fuck up if he is. Also just be permanently suspicious of him until he starts delivering mafia left and right.
Agreed. Except for the part where he is delivering mafia left and right since he doesn't do that anymore because he is a lazy jerk.
On September 17 2015 23:35 Damdred wrote:
Secondly I might be wrong but I haven't been spectacularly wrong this game most my reads have been pretty good.
How the fuck would you know?
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On September 18 2015 00:19 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 00:12 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 23:21 Palmar wrote:
marv should be checked. He was wrong yesterday and voted the wrong wagon against not only mine, but his own better judgement. Yes I know sheeping rayn is a thing (I did it myself last game for great success) but still. This is marv.
Here's the thing. Marv did nothing yesterday that was super scummy throughout the day. he wasn't forced, awkward or anything that makes him mafia. This does not mean he's not mafia. It simply means he didn't fuck up if he is. Also just be permanently suspicious of him until he starts delivering mafia left and right. Agreed. Except for the part where he is delivering mafia left and right since he doesn't do that anymore because he is a lazy jerk. On September 17 2015 23:35 Damdred wrote:
Secondly I might be wrong but I haven't been spectacularly wrong this game most my reads have been pretty good.
How the fuck would you know? I have no qualms about lynching a town marv for being wrong. I don't think it has happened yet so I'm not worried about it.
It won't happen. That's more or less impossible with this line up - the stars would have to align for mafia.
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On September 18 2015 00:23 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 00:22 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 00:19 Palmar wrote:On September 18 2015 00:12 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 23:21 Palmar wrote:
marv should be checked. He was wrong yesterday and voted the wrong wagon against not only mine, but his own better judgement. Yes I know sheeping rayn is a thing (I did it myself last game for great success) but still. This is marv.
Here's the thing. Marv did nothing yesterday that was super scummy throughout the day. he wasn't forced, awkward or anything that makes him mafia. This does not mean he's not mafia. It simply means he didn't fuck up if he is. Also just be permanently suspicious of him until he starts delivering mafia left and right. Agreed. Except for the part where he is delivering mafia left and right since he doesn't do that anymore because he is a lazy jerk. On September 17 2015 23:35 Damdred wrote:
Secondly I might be wrong but I haven't been spectacularly wrong this game most my reads have been pretty good.
How the fuck would you know? I have no qualms about lynching a town marv for being wrong. I don't think it has happened yet so I'm not worried about it. It won't happen. That's more or less impossible with this line up - the stars would have to align for mafia. exactly. So if he's wrong we call him mafia like a million times and try to lynch him until he's literally shitting town rainbows if he is town. It's a perfect plan.
Yes, it absolutely is.
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On September 18 2015 00:37 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 00:35 Palmar wrote:
it's just....
why did you link that, and I immediately recognized that it was nothing, but you didn't. You're meant to be like... good. everyone makes mistakes don't you remember the case i made on someone a couple games back based on stuff on their filter that just turned out to be totally wrong because i was a dumbass? i was just reading the posts at facevalue.
That was clarity.
Palmar, if I am wrong with what I said about Wile point out how. My last post about him was pretty good.
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On September 18 2015 00:44 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 00:10 justanothertownie wrote:
And to the Wile thing:
Moosy was Wiles top mafiaread almost all game right? The thing we are talking about is the main reason why people scumread Moosy before rayn went full retard. And it wasn't a throwaway comment someone made at some point. It was actually said by multiple people and was a big point of discussion. So you are telling me Wile does not know why his top mafiaread is being scumread.
The conclusion is that he is either totally disinterested in his top mafiaread or that he is acting. Both heavily point towards him being mafia. By fact checking I mean: This is only valid if you can prove that he was farther ahead in the thread and had already encountered the point he brought up. I haven't read his filter, so I don't know if that is true or false. If he had been part of the moosy fallout discussion, then yes, the point damdred made and I agreed with is invalid. But if he just encountered that as on the surface he appears to have done, then your point is invalid.
What exactly is your point? The facts:
Moosy was Wiles top mafiaread.
Moosy was also mafiaread by other players for a heavily discussed reason.
Wile later rereads Moosys filter and finds that reason.
How on earth did Wile/Sicklucker miss how and why multiple other people are calling his top scumread mafia?
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On September 18 2015 00:43 marvellosity wrote:
kinda annoying that Damdred hiphopped away.
I guess he was just exhausted from the huge amount of extremely valuable contributions he made. Nothing to do with not having an answer for my accusations against him.
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On September 18 2015 01:59 Damdred wrote:
Yeah sorry that I have rl things going on so screw you Marv and fuck you jat.
Its pretty hypocritical to say that someone has been spectaculary wrong all game and then give them crap for saying the opposite. How the hell do you know my reads are bad firstly? Secondly of course I think my reads are good you idiots.
god damn
You called me mafia all game -> I know you are wrong. It's not a complicated concept.
Overreaction noted though. And no, rl things do not explain your play.
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On September 18 2015 02:51 Damdred wrote:
And my play was fine d1 most of the people who are good at reading me read me correctly so oh well.
Yeah? So ritoky is not one of them? Or geript?
Your play sucks major ass this game if you are town. You claiming I did not do anything day1 is fucking ridiculous. oh well
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You better step it up because I feel very tempted to lynch you day2 should I be alive.
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On September 18 2015 02:49 Damdred wrote:
Yep you only calling me mafia you are either mafia or dumb. Maybe a mixture idk yet.
Its hypocritical to say damdred is hugely wrong on all his reads if I'm only wrong on one read which is on you supposedly.
You didn't do anything towny d1 and a lot of the people you town read actually agreed with a lot of what I said. SO OH WELL.
You did not say anything about me so this is impossible btw.
Sure, other people mafia read me. But rayn at least gave reasons and tried to figure me out. Koshi is excused for being Koshi. What is your excuse for not caring at all about anything I said while pushing for my lynch? Idiocy or mafia alignment?
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On September 18 2015 03:08 geript wrote:
I really don't get why anyone thinks I can be mafia. But Marv/Palmar don't understand why I think rayn is mafia so... idk. Going to relax for a bit w/ league then be back later.
I don't really get how you can read rayn mafia while townreading marv at the same time. There is no world where rayn gets lynched before marv.
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On September 18 2015 03:13 Damdred wrote:
Best chance to lynch me. I won't be here until Sunday probably so GL on that.
And I said plenty about you, rayn agreed with some of it. Palmar agreed with a good portion etc.
bla bla bla
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On September 18 2015 03:15 Damdred wrote:
Your just mad that I'm right
Yeah, that has to be it. If you are town stop the emo act and do something useful for a change. I will even let you do your thing without interfering.
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On September 18 2015 06:19 Palmar wrote:
I think geripts interpretation of rayn's play is wrong. I do think rayn pushed his reads and I don't think he hid behind my reads or Marc reads in any way.
Phone posting and won't make it before deadline.
Look for mafia in Scott, geript, JAT, Marv, Onegu (I'm still the only one even mentioning him) and ceph. I think the others are town although koshi has really fallen off.
I guess if JAT is mafia koshi is never mafia. He's unlikely though anyway.
How can you have a townread on SL and damdred? And I am not mafia that should be more than clear to you by now. I was basically spewed again tonight.
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On September 18 2015 06:22 Palmar wrote:
Koshi is unlikely that is. JAT could very well be mafia. He will argue it but he WAS really background-y early day 1
So what? You know that doesn't make me mafia.
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On September 18 2015 06:25 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 06:24 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 06:19 Palmar wrote:
I think geripts interpretation of rayn's play is wrong. I do think rayn pushed his reads and I don't think he hid behind my reads or Marc reads in any way.
Phone posting and won't make it before deadline.
Look for mafia in Scott, geript, JAT, Marv, Onegu (I'm still the only one even mentioning him) and ceph. I think the others are town although koshi has really fallen off.
I guess if JAT is mafia koshi is never mafia. He's unlikely though anyway. How can you have a townread on SL and damdred? And I am not mafia that should be more than clear to you by now. I was basically spewed again tonight. How on earth were you spewed. And I explained everything else tonight
Since rayn called me town everyone changed their mind about me and treated me as town. Even fucking damdred.
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On September 18 2015 06:26 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 06:24 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 06:22 Palmar wrote:
Koshi is unlikely that is. JAT could very well be mafia. He will argue it but he WAS really background-y early day 1 So what? You know that doesn't make me mafia. If I die and you are tow I have full faith in you defending yourself. So no there are reasons to think you may be mafia and I'm pointing them out.
There are no reasons and you aren't pointing any out either. It would be more important to say something about marv than me.
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On September 18 2015 06:28 Wile E. Coyote wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 22:23 justanothertownie wrote:
I am caught up now and Damdred/Wile pushing the lynch away from Cephiro is really fucking scummy. Are you saying i am aligned with cephiro? Because he really wanted to kill me I was his number one target. Wheres is the mafia motivation in saving him?
He did not even vote you in the end. This is irrelevant and you of all people should really know that.
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On September 18 2015 06:29 ritoky wrote:
in the event i die or it doesn't go through. i shot onegu.
Good.
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On September 18 2015 06:32 Wile E. Coyote wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 06:30 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 06:28 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On September 17 2015 22:23 justanothertownie wrote:
I am caught up now and Damdred/Wile pushing the lynch away from Cephiro is really fucking scummy. Are you saying i am aligned with cephiro? Because he really wanted to kill me I was his number one target. Wheres is the mafia motivation in saving him? He did not even vote you in the end. This is irrelevant and you of all people should really know that. He literately refused to unvote me untill 10 minutes till eod hoping being went on me. Only then he decided to vote you over mosy
I fail to see how this makes it impossible for you 2 to be mafia together. Especially if Moosy and me are the wagons besides him.
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On September 18 2015 06:34 ritoky wrote:
should i have held that shot? i kinda felt like i might have softed too hard and was gonna die tho
Nah, it is fine. You couldn't know there was a janitor.
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This is good. Ritoky is confirmed town since there is no possible scum vig. Onegu had 0 connections to anyone anways so it is not that horrible not to know his alignment.
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On September 18 2015 06:40 ritoky wrote:
rayn was also conf town. which means 2 guaranteed town voted on moosy
Which is important why exactly?
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On September 18 2015 06:41 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 06:38 Palmar wrote:On September 18 2015 06:34 ritoky wrote:
should i have held that shot? i kinda felt like i might have softed too hard and was gonna die tho you shot inactive trash that was always going to get lynched anyway. That's exactly how you play vig. it sucks to not know if he was mafia though, but I genuinely think it's quite likely. Just take a look at how super uninterested everyone was last night when I was trying to do something about him. even if he is likely or slightly likely mafia, better to play assuming he wasn't for the time being and that we are closer to lylo and need to hit.
Sure, that's obvious but no matter what he was we still have a mislynch left.
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Btw ritoky - where do you stand on damdred now?
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On September 18 2015 06:43 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 06:41 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 06:40 ritoky wrote:
rayn was also conf town. which means 2 guaranteed town voted on moosy Which is important why exactly? well first cuz we know rayn's alignment as well as mine, and second for vote logic in the future.
The wagon was town/town - there is only vote logic to gather if cephiro is mafia. Apart from that townies voting Moosy only makes it more obvious that I am town too.
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On September 18 2015 06:49 Wile E. Coyote wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 06:41 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 06:40 ritoky wrote:
rayn was also conf town. which means 2 guaranteed town voted on moosy Which is important why exactly? Like I said yesterday its very stupid for mafia to vote a claimed vt. I would wager all the mafia were on the ceph wagon or you if your not mafia.
No mafia on this site thinks like this. Especially not if cephiro is mafia. Why do you assume he is town (the bolded)?
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On September 18 2015 06:56 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 06:54 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Ritoky how do you feel about jat? Heres a fact for thought. If I really am found out is it not more likely for 3 people collectively to do so? When i soft threatened to shoot jat if he didn't improve he basically told me to get bent. I dunno if that is in his mafia wheelhouse, maybe it is but it was enough for me to not really want to vote him day 1.
Tbh I didn't realize that this was a soft at all. Pretty stupid in hindsight. Not that it would have changed my answer.
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On September 18 2015 06:56 Wile E. Coyote wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 06:51 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 06:49 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On September 18 2015 06:41 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 06:40 ritoky wrote:
rayn was also conf town. which means 2 guaranteed town voted on moosy Which is important why exactly? Like I said yesterday its very stupid for mafia to vote a claimed vt. I would wager all the mafia were on the ceph wagon or you if your not mafia. No mafia on this site thinks like this. Especially not if cephiro is mafia. Why do you assume he is town (the bolded)? The way his wagon formed mostly. Everyone town read him, forgot they did then voted him in a mass horde. I dont see his partners no one defended him and the way he was acting at the eod attackin me ( i could at that point switch my vote to him and insure his lynch) and trying to save onegu who was also voting him for no reason. Nothing I have ever done as a mafia personnaly.
Damdred defended him, you defended him - everyone who pushed for moosy/me over him defended him. Get out with this crap.
Also I don't understand your point about being found out at all.
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On September 18 2015 06:59 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
To go more into that its twenty minutes to vote. the count is 5-4 ceph/moosy i am voting moosy. All ceph wants to talk is how he wants people to switch there votes to me. This is stupid if hes mafia because I have like 1 vote, I can make the vote 6-3 if he pisses me off. Its a really stupid thing to do as mafia.
Unless you are both mafia maybe.
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On September 18 2015 07:01 Wile E. Coyote wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 06:58 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 06:56 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On September 18 2015 06:51 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 06:49 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On September 18 2015 06:41 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 06:40 ritoky wrote:
rayn was also conf town. which means 2 guaranteed town voted on moosy Which is important why exactly? Like I said yesterday its very stupid for mafia to vote a claimed vt. I would wager all the mafia were on the ceph wagon or you if your not mafia. No mafia on this site thinks like this. Especially not if cephiro is mafia. Why do you assume he is town (the bolded)? The way his wagon formed mostly. Everyone town read him, forgot they did then voted him in a mass horde. I dont see his partners no one defended him and the way he was acting at the eod attackin me ( i could at that point switch my vote to him and insure his lynch) and trying to save onegu who was also voting him for no reason. Nothing I have ever done as a mafia personnaly. Damdred defended him, you defended him - everyone who pushed for moosy/me over him defended him. Get out with this crap. Also I don't understand your point about being found out at all. Whos more likely to solve a puzzle? one solo town player or three mafia in a chat. Im sure you have some witty comment but its obviously the three people.
lol, it's not hard dude. Noone besides you writes "are" instead of "our".
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On September 18 2015 07:10 ritoky wrote:
Like it's pretty simple to me. There's 2 wagons essentially at one point near EoD. Both moosy and ceph come back and neither one wants to vote on the other unless essentially forced. Would rather lynch someone else; they try to target third person. Under threat of death with low time left, mafia plays for preservation and likely gets on other wagon. With one of the two flipping town I think ceph probably more apt to flip town as well.
Ceph did not need to vote moosy - he DID vote for a counterwagon (myself). It wasn't clear who between me and moosy would get lynched until marv hammered in the last second.
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On September 18 2015 07:14 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 07:12 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 07:10 ritoky wrote:
Like it's pretty simple to me. There's 2 wagons essentially at one point near EoD. Both moosy and ceph come back and neither one wants to vote on the other unless essentially forced. Would rather lynch someone else; they try to target third person. Under threat of death with low time left, mafia plays for preservation and likely gets on other wagon. With one of the two flipping town I think ceph probably more apt to flip town as well. Ceph did not need to vote moosy - he DID vote for a counterwagon (myself). It wasn't clear who between me and moosy would get lynched until marv hammered in the last second. technically i hammered putting moosy at 4 first, but i get your point. i am talking about a point before this. maybe like an hour or so, when you were at maybe 1 or 2 votes. the lynch was between moosy and ceph for a good while; and when both came back they seemed uninterested in lynching the other which struck me as an odd play if either is mafia.
That doesn't say anything. 1 hour is an eternity and it's not alignment indicative not to push your counterwagon anyways if you ask me.You can easily justfiy switching in the end for self preservation.
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On September 18 2015 07:16 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Can there be a cops mason and a vig in the same game thats 4 power roles? how would he even know he was checked
He obviously doesn't know shit.
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On September 18 2015 07:23 geript wrote:
Am I the only person that caught that Rayn wasn't confirmed to his partner and vice versa?
No, reading the OP isn't that hard.
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On September 18 2015 07:25 Palmar wrote:
like I know it doesn't confirm him, but it clears shit up.
Also I don't really think rayn was mason. there was no reason for him to claim it during the night, especially with the no confirm.
Agreed. It basically doesn't really tell us anything though even if he was.
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On September 18 2015 07:33 geript wrote:
Wile was 100% his scum read. Also based on the penis thing.
You too bro.
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On September 18 2015 08:16 Koshi wrote:
rayn lied. wow. Unguided missle. Haven't read thread. Lost. Somewhere. Deep. Nooooo
Yes, yes.
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On September 18 2015 13:01 Damdred wrote:
Well id probably kill jat next how many lynches till lylo? 2?
Saying this either means someone took a dump right into your brain or you are still mafia.
I called Wile mafia all fucking game. I do not do this to a buddy. And I for sure will NEVER EVER out his identity to the thread. I am basically more confirmed than anyone besides ritoky.
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And we are never lynching Palmar before marv who has a good chance of being mafia which I told you guys n1 and got ridiculed for.
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On September 18 2015 12:37 Koshi wrote:Smart damdred is smart. Scary idea to have 2/3 mafia. Marv and jat killed the moose
Wtf. I killed the moose? I did not vote him, I said I don't want to lynch him and I was the one defending him against rayns retardo push.
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The last 1-2 mafia are most likely between damdred, marv and cephiro which incidentally are the people I scumread so far.
Outside chances of geript and Palmar but Palmar can only be mafia if marv is and geript.... I just expect his mafiagame to be better.
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Currently my guess would be damdred/marv if there are 2. And man did I play an awesome game if they are.
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On September 18 2015 17:35 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 15:06 Damdred wrote:On September 18 2015 11:39 ritoky wrote:On September 18 2015 11:36 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Oh well I got all the roles to claim and how many uses they have mission accomplished. Gl hf So what you're saying was Onegu was a miss and you have 2 partners alive? Got it. ##vote: WileNext time check the OP before you fake claim. I don't get how you say there are def two partners still though. Meh hard choices hard choices I don't think it matters how many mafia are left. we're just gonna lynch the scummiest people until the game ends. and today that's wile
I fucking told you. But no, damdreds "argument" was not retarded. No way.
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On September 18 2015 18:32 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 08:47 scott31337 wrote:
I've sat here thinking if I should this or not or go for the push, but I just don't think I'll have the time with how work is.
I'm hard claiming one shot tracker.
I tracked Wile E Coyote to Koshi.
oh hello there.
I want to know your stance on Palmar.
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On September 18 2015 18:41 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 18:37 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 18:32 marvellosity wrote:On September 18 2015 08:47 scott31337 wrote:
I've sat here thinking if I should this or not or go for the push, but I just don't think I'll have the time with how work is.
I'm hard claiming one shot tracker.
I tracked Wile E Coyote to Koshi.
oh hello there. I want to know your stance on Palmar. town
Cool. Then this game is easy.
It's 1-2 of you, Cephiro and damdred and we just lynch all of you. Maybe geript could be mafia too but I doubt it.
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On September 18 2015 18:46 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 18:45 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 18:41 marvellosity wrote:On September 18 2015 18:37 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 18:32 marvellosity wrote:On September 18 2015 08:47 scott31337 wrote:
I've sat here thinking if I should this or not or go for the push, but I just don't think I'll have the time with how work is.
I'm hard claiming one shot tracker.
I tracked Wile E Coyote to Koshi.
oh hello there. I want to know your stance on Palmar. town Cool. Then this game is easy. It's 1-2 of you, Cephiro and damdred and we just lynch all of you. Maybe geript could be mafia too but I doubt it. you are very much "you" here.
No, I am very much not and if you were town you would know that after making this post when you agreed with rayn about me being almost definitely town:
On September 17 2015 19:37 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 19:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 17 2015 19:36 marvellosity wrote:
really should have just lynched jat for the reaction it would have got out of him either way No. He is almost definitely town. you misunderstand the point of my post
I am just the "you" now because you are running out of options to mislynch.
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Anyone who reads Wiles/my filter and still calls me mafia is braindead or scum.
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On September 18 2015 18:49 marvellosity wrote:
no, you very much are, and trying to shovel shit on me for something you should obviously understand is the case from my point of view is just ridiculous.
I am not mafia from any point of view. I do not treat mafia buddies like I treated Wile and you fucking know that.
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On September 18 2015 18:52 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 18:50 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 18:49 marvellosity wrote:
no, you very much are, and trying to shovel shit on me for something you should obviously understand is the case from my point of view is just ridiculous. I am not mafia from any point of view. I do not treat mafia buddies like I treated Wile and you fucking know that. Swearing at me doesn't make me feel any more convinced when you write shit, so whatever sister
Cool how you address the swearing instead of the actual point. Are you seriously going to tell me that besides calling Wile mafia ALL GAME I go ahead and tell the thread that it is SL knowing well that it will probably get him lynched at some point? Because if you say this then you are mafia.
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On September 18 2015 18:55 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 18:54 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 18:52 marvellosity wrote:On September 18 2015 18:50 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 18:49 marvellosity wrote:
no, you very much are, and trying to shovel shit on me for something you should obviously understand is the case from my point of view is just ridiculous. I am not mafia from any point of view. I do not treat mafia buddies like I treated Wile and you fucking know that. Swearing at me doesn't make me feel any more convinced when you write shit, so whatever sister Cool how you address the swearing instead of the actual point. Are you seriously going to tell me that besides calling Wile mafia ALL GAME I go ahead and tell the thread that it is SL knowing well that it will probably get him lynched at some point? Because if you say this then you are mafia. you think you're the only person who would notice when he says "veg"? Are you that egocentric?
I haven't seen anyone else be the slightest bit suspicious. You? I would NEVER do this as mafia.
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On September 18 2015 18:57 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 18:12 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 17:35 Palmar wrote:On September 18 2015 15:06 Damdred wrote:On September 18 2015 11:39 ritoky wrote:On September 18 2015 11:36 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Oh well I got all the roles to claim and how many uses they have mission accomplished. Gl hf So what you're saying was Onegu was a miss and you have 2 partners alive? Got it. ##vote: WileNext time check the OP before you fake claim. I don't get how you say there are def two partners still though. Meh hard choices hard choices I don't think it matters how many mafia are left. we're just gonna lynch the scummiest people until the game ends. and today that's wile I fucking told you. But no, damdreds "argument" was not retarded. No way. It's easy to say mafia is mafia when he's your teammate.
Sure, but in reality I am just better than you.
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On September 18 2015 18:57 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 18:57 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 18:55 marvellosity wrote:On September 18 2015 18:54 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 18:52 marvellosity wrote:On September 18 2015 18:50 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 18:49 marvellosity wrote:
no, you very much are, and trying to shovel shit on me for something you should obviously understand is the case from my point of view is just ridiculous. I am not mafia from any point of view. I do not treat mafia buddies like I treated Wile and you fucking know that. Swearing at me doesn't make me feel any more convinced when you write shit, so whatever sister Cool how you address the swearing instead of the actual point. Are you seriously going to tell me that besides calling Wile mafia ALL GAME I go ahead and tell the thread that it is SL knowing well that it will probably get him lynched at some point? Because if you say this then you are mafia. you think you're the only person who would notice when he says "veg"? Are you that egocentric? I haven't seen anyone else be the slightest bit suspicious. You? I would NEVER do this as mafia. yeah you noticed it before me, but me/rayn/palmar/koshi/damdred - someone isn't going to notice? stop trying to push this as some definitive point when it just isn't, it's really stupid.
It is a definitive point. Even if I was mafia and had thought people could pick up on it I still would not point it out first. Whatever.
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On September 18 2015 18:59 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 18:58 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 18:57 Palmar wrote:On September 18 2015 18:12 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 17:35 Palmar wrote:On September 18 2015 15:06 Damdred wrote:On September 18 2015 11:39 ritoky wrote:On September 18 2015 11:36 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Oh well I got all the roles to claim and how many uses they have mission accomplished. Gl hf So what you're saying was Onegu was a miss and you have 2 partners alive? Got it. ##vote: WileNext time check the OP before you fake claim. I don't get how you say there are def two partners still though. Meh hard choices hard choices I don't think it matters how many mafia are left. we're just gonna lynch the scummiest people until the game ends. and today that's wile I fucking told you. But no, damdreds "argument" was not retarded. No way. It's easy to say mafia is mafia when he's your teammate. Sure, but in reality I am just better than you. now i know you're in kidding about mode
No, I am not saying in general but concerning that discussion I was simply right and Palmar was wrong. And damdred was mafia.
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And if the mafia is between you, damdred and cephiro I played the best towngame by far.
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On September 18 2015 19:01 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 19:00 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 18:59 marvellosity wrote:On September 18 2015 18:58 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 18:57 Palmar wrote:On September 18 2015 18:12 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 17:35 Palmar wrote:On September 18 2015 15:06 Damdred wrote:On September 18 2015 11:39 ritoky wrote:On September 18 2015 11:36 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Oh well I got all the roles to claim and how many uses they have mission accomplished. Gl hf So what you're saying was Onegu was a miss and you have 2 partners alive? Got it. ##vote: WileNext time check the OP before you fake claim. I don't get how you say there are def two partners still though. Meh hard choices hard choices I don't think it matters how many mafia are left. we're just gonna lynch the scummiest people until the game ends. and today that's wile I fucking told you. But no, damdreds "argument" was not retarded. No way. It's easy to say mafia is mafia when he's your teammate. Sure, but in reality I am just better than you. now i know you're in kidding about mode No, I am not saying in general but concerning that discussion I was simply right and Palmar was wrong. And damdred was mafia. as long as we agree that I'm better than you I'm good.
Let's see who was more correct this game later on.
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On September 18 2015 19:02 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 19:00 justanothertownie wrote:
And if the mafia is between you, damdred and cephiro I played the best towngame by far. 3 of the people in this post could be mafia. one of them is not damdred. (hint, the third one is the op)
Why on earth do you think damdred is town?
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On September 18 2015 19:03 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 19:02 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 19:01 Palmar wrote:On September 18 2015 19:00 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 18:59 marvellosity wrote:On September 18 2015 18:58 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 18:57 Palmar wrote:On September 18 2015 18:12 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 17:35 Palmar wrote:On September 18 2015 15:06 Damdred wrote:
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I don't get how you say there are def two partners still though.
Meh hard choices hard choices I don't think it matters how many mafia are left. we're just gonna lynch the scummiest people until the game ends. and today that's wile I fucking told you. But no, damdreds "argument" was not retarded. No way. It's easy to say mafia is mafia when he's your teammate. Sure, but in reality I am just better than you. now i know you're in kidding about mode No, I am not saying in general but concerning that discussion I was simply right and Palmar was wrong. And damdred was mafia. as long as we agree that I'm better than you I'm good. Let's see who was more correct this game later on. If you're mafia this is void. But ok
Well, good thing I am town then.
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On September 18 2015 19:03 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 19:03 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 19:02 Palmar wrote:On September 18 2015 19:00 justanothertownie wrote:
And if the mafia is between you, damdred and cephiro I played the best towngame by far. 3 of the people in this post could be mafia. one of them is not damdred. (hint, the third one is the op) Why on earth do you think damdred is town? Because irrelevant of the fact wile is mafia, his point was valid.
It wasn't and even if it was it doesn't make him town.
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On September 18 2015 19:04 Palmar wrote:
And also he's just been more of a bro.
Although we could check his alignment by trying to lynch him and see if he goes all emo.
Those are generally the mafia.
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On September 18 2015 19:06 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 19:04 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 19:03 Palmar wrote:On September 18 2015 19:03 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 19:02 Palmar wrote:On September 18 2015 19:00 justanothertownie wrote:
And if the mafia is between you, damdred and cephiro I played the best towngame by far. 3 of the people in this post could be mafia. one of them is not damdred. (hint, the third one is the op) Why on earth do you think damdred is town? Because irrelevant of the fact wile is mafia, his point was valid. It wasn't and even if it was it doesn't make him town. I know running out of mislynches sucks but bro... Damdred is town. also technically maybe there's just one mafia left (after wile) so there's that.
No, I refuse to believe that damdred is this terrible as town. He can be terrible but not like this. If you are town and he is mafia I expect an apology post game.
So who is mafia then in your opinion? Because I am not.
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On September 18 2015 19:06 marvellosity wrote:
don't really know about damdy but i like my own point where he's trying to townclear unconfirmeds
at the very least, that's not "level 1" play (yesssss, i got in on this level action)
He "cleared" someone he had strongly townread before the claims and it is not like he can't go back on this later.
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On September 18 2015 19:10 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 19:08 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 19:06 Palmar wrote:On September 18 2015 19:04 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 19:03 Palmar wrote:On September 18 2015 19:03 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 19:02 Palmar wrote:On September 18 2015 19:00 justanothertownie wrote:
And if the mafia is between you, damdred and cephiro I played the best towngame by far. 3 of the people in this post could be mafia. one of them is not damdred. (hint, the third one is the op) Why on earth do you think damdred is town? Because irrelevant of the fact wile is mafia, his point was valid. It wasn't and even if it was it doesn't make him town. I know running out of mislynches sucks but bro... Damdred is town. also technically maybe there's just one mafia left (after wile) so there's that. No, I refuse to believe that damdred is this terrible as town. He can be terrible but not like this. If you are town and he is mafia I expect an apology post game. So who is mafia then in your opinion? Because I am not. 1-2 out of: geript, you, marv, ceph Like I actually think it's more likely it's just one person. It's possibly geript, who is just trolling at this point.
Yeah, so I have been bussing my whole mafia team all game, hm? You know what I think of bussing Palmar. You fucking know it.
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On September 18 2015 19:13 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 19:11 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 19:10 Palmar wrote:On September 18 2015 19:08 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 19:06 Palmar wrote:On September 18 2015 19:04 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 19:03 Palmar wrote:On September 18 2015 19:03 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 19:02 Palmar wrote:On September 18 2015 19:00 justanothertownie wrote:
And if the mafia is between you, damdred and cephiro I played the best towngame by far. 3 of the people in this post could be mafia. one of them is not damdred. (hint, the third one is the op) Why on earth do you think damdred is town? Because irrelevant of the fact wile is mafia, his point was valid. It wasn't and even if it was it doesn't make him town. I know running out of mislynches sucks but bro... Damdred is town. also technically maybe there's just one mafia left (after wile) so there's that. No, I refuse to believe that damdred is this terrible as town. He can be terrible but not like this. If you are town and he is mafia I expect an apology post game. So who is mafia then in your opinion? Because I am not. 1-2 out of: geript, you, marv, ceph Like I actually think it's more likely it's just one person. It's possibly geript, who is just trolling at this point. Yeah, so I have been bussing my whole mafia team all game, hm? You know what I think of bussing Palmar. You fucking know it. If you're town all you have to do is be less mafia than the other people in this list Go forth and shit rainbows my beautiful independent manlet!
I already shat enough rainbows for you to mistake me for a goddamn unicorn. I can't help you if you are blind.
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On September 18 2015 19:17 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 19:16 marvellosity wrote:On September 18 2015 19:14 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 19:13 Palmar wrote:On September 18 2015 19:11 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 19:10 Palmar wrote:On September 18 2015 19:08 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 19:06 Palmar wrote:On September 18 2015 19:04 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 19:03 Palmar wrote:
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Because irrelevant of the fact wile is mafia, his point was valid. It wasn't and even if it was it doesn't make him town. I know running out of mislynches sucks but bro... Damdred is town. also technically maybe there's just one mafia left (after wile) so there's that. No, I refuse to believe that damdred is this terrible as town. He can be terrible but not like this. If you are town and he is mafia I expect an apology post game. So who is mafia then in your opinion? Because I am not. 1-2 out of: geript, you, marv, ceph Like I actually think it's more likely it's just one person. It's possibly geript, who is just trolling at this point. Yeah, so I have been bussing my whole mafia team all game, hm? You know what I think of bussing Palmar. You fucking know it. If you're town all you have to do is be less mafia than the other people in this list Go forth and shit rainbows my beautiful independent manlet! I already shat enough rainbows for you to mistake me for a goddamn unicorn. I can't help you if you are blind. unicorns are white dear yeah duh, and when you break down white light you get rainbow. That's why they shit rainbows. Your science is seriously lacking.
Seriously.
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On September 18 2015 19:20 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 19:19 Palmar wrote:
The one thing I dread doing this game is trying to lynch marv, which, if the game is not over in like 2 days, is totally going to be a thing. i cba with that. let's win before then please.
Cool, then figure out the game. It should be very easy from your position if Palmar is town.
Hint: I am not mafia. It will be easier if you just accept this very obvious truth.
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On September 18 2015 19:20 Palmar wrote:
tomorrow is basically your purgatory marv. You have to deliver mafia on a platter or there's going to be problems.
Yes.
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On September 18 2015 19:26 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 19:26 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 19:20 marvellosity wrote:On September 18 2015 19:19 Palmar wrote:
The one thing I dread doing this game is trying to lynch marv, which, if the game is not over in like 2 days, is totally going to be a thing. i cba with that. let's win before then please. Cool, then figure out the game. It should be very easy from your position if Palmar is town. Hint: I am not mafia. It will be easier if you just accept this very obvious truth. hint: this does not make you look any townier
I don't care. I do not have to look townier. There is more than enough reason for you to come to this conclusion already.
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On September 18 2015 19:28 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 19:27 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 19:26 marvellosity wrote:On September 18 2015 19:26 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 19:20 marvellosity wrote:On September 18 2015 19:19 Palmar wrote:
The one thing I dread doing this game is trying to lynch marv, which, if the game is not over in like 2 days, is totally going to be a thing. i cba with that. let's win before then please. Cool, then figure out the game. It should be very easy from your position if Palmar is town. Hint: I am not mafia. It will be easier if you just accept this very obvious truth. hint: this does not make you look any townier I don't care. I do not have to look townier. There is more than enough reason for you to come to this conclusion already. you're seriously self-deluded.
Read my filter. Read Wiles filter. Even if we ignore the obvious thing in the SL revelation a town marv can never seriously think that I am mafia after this.
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There is nothing dull about it. Just do it and if you are town you will see how true it is.
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On September 18 2015 19:31 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 19:31 justanothertownie wrote:
There is nothing dull about it. Just do it and if you are town you will see how true it is. all this "and if you are town" while trying to self-clear just makes you look worse, my dear. but do carry on
And why would that be? Are you saying you are obvious town? Because when Palmar and me are both saying you could be mafia you probably aren't.
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On September 18 2015 19:34 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 19:32 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 19:31 marvellosity wrote:On September 18 2015 19:31 justanothertownie wrote:
There is nothing dull about it. Just do it and if you are town you will see how true it is. all this "and if you are town" while trying to self-clear just makes you look worse, my dear. but do carry on And why would that be? Are you saying you are obvious town? Because when Palmar and me are both saying you could be mafia you probably aren't. Palmar would very often be hedging on me at this point, and it looks like you're at the least being bad i was practically confirmed town to rayn and geript who also knows me very well is confident i am town your arguments are silly.
So geript is town? Rayn has been wrong on you before more than once. Geript has been incredibly wrong on you recently.
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On September 18 2015 19:36 marvellosity wrote:
essentially mafia killed the one player who would never get me lynched this game. nice for them huh
I can say the same though.
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On September 18 2015 19:37 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 19:36 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 19:34 marvellosity wrote:On September 18 2015 19:32 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 19:31 marvellosity wrote:On September 18 2015 19:31 justanothertownie wrote:
There is nothing dull about it. Just do it and if you are town you will see how true it is. all this "and if you are town" while trying to self-clear just makes you look worse, my dear. but do carry on And why would that be? Are you saying you are obvious town? Because when Palmar and me are both saying you could be mafia you probably aren't. Palmar would very often be hedging on me at this point, and it looks like you're at the least being bad i was practically confirmed town to rayn and geript who also knows me very well is confident i am town your arguments are silly. So geript is town? Rayn has been wrong on you before more than once. Geript has been incredibly wrong on you recently. sure rayn and geript could be wrong (or mafia in geript's case, yes, but i don't think so) on me after 13 pages of filter and a full cycle, but you're trying to bring up that you being suspicious of me and Palmar (LOL) means something when compared to that. like i said: silly.
We have the best read on you in this game. We are also the only people who have reliably lynched you during the last year when you were mafia with imperial as exception and there were moments when we were close there too.
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On September 18 2015 19:41 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 19:40 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 19:37 marvellosity wrote:On September 18 2015 19:36 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 19:34 marvellosity wrote:On September 18 2015 19:32 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 19:31 marvellosity wrote:On September 18 2015 19:31 justanothertownie wrote:
There is nothing dull about it. Just do it and if you are town you will see how true it is. all this "and if you are town" while trying to self-clear just makes you look worse, my dear. but do carry on And why would that be? Are you saying you are obvious town? Because when Palmar and me are both saying you could be mafia you probably aren't. Palmar would very often be hedging on me at this point, and it looks like you're at the least being bad i was practically confirmed town to rayn and geript who also knows me very well is confident i am town your arguments are silly. So geript is town? Rayn has been wrong on you before more than once. Geript has been incredibly wrong on you recently. sure rayn and geript could be wrong (or mafia in geript's case, yes, but i don't think so) on me after 13 pages of filter and a full cycle, but you're trying to bring up that you being suspicious of me and Palmar (LOL) means something when compared to that. like i said: silly. We have the best read on you in this game. We are also the only people who have reliably lynched you during the last year when you were mafia with imperial as exception and there were moments when we were close there too. no, no. Palmar is great at lynching me when i am mafia and i am not trying. he is also great at hedging and calling me mafia when i am town. + don't flatter yourself. anyway this particular argument is a dead end, so i'll stop with it
I have literally never been wrong on you in the end except for imperial where I gave you a very very very slight townread with a huge caveat before I died.
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On September 18 2015 19:43 marvellosity wrote:
so you've never been wrong on me except the only mafia game in recent times that i tried in?
top stuff
I am not talking about mafia games only. I am talking about every single game we both played in.
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On September 18 2015 19:46 marvellosity wrote:
alright, you're god, these other players are trash, you're obviously right about everything because you're so awesome etc.
srsly enough of this one.
I am not saying anything like that. Those are just the facts.
If Palmar and me both think you are mafia it means something. But sure, we can stop this so you can start figuring out that it basically has to be damdred/cephiro or maybe geript if it's not you.
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On September 18 2015 19:50 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 19:49 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 19:46 marvellosity wrote:
alright, you're god, these other players are trash, you're obviously right about everything because you're so awesome etc.
srsly enough of this one. I am not saying anything like that. Those are just the facts. If Palmar and me both think you are mafia it means something. But sure, we can stop this so you can start figuring out that it basically has to be damdred/cephiro or maybe geript if it's not you. Palmar hedging/waffling on me/suggesting it's possible i'm mafia means absolutely nothing. figure it out yourself my love.
I already said my part. I think geript is the least likely. Damdred probably the most likely followed by you and cephiro.
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On September 18 2015 19:51 ritoky wrote:![[image loading]](https://russellnoble.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/download.jpeg)
Yes, you can participate if you want.
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On September 18 2015 20:02 ritoky wrote:
there's not voting on moosy for town cred and voting on some rando -> ceph probably capable of this as mafia
then there's joining the other main wagon and pushing your partner -> not sure if capable of this
There is no reason to assume he isn't.
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On September 18 2015 20:21 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 20:17 marvellosity wrote:
we can lynch jat instead if you like
*braces self*
meh, if someone is mafia then someone is mafia.
that game we mislynched you d2 as town while you were hard-defending the other LHF (Onegu)... LHF is often just LHF because they are scum to be fair, I was miller with a cop red check on me. i was fucked beyond belief, but yeah my reads were dumpster that game.
Your most important task is to figure out damdred because I am not able to lynch his scummy ass without you.
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On September 18 2015 20:29 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 20:24 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 20:21 ritoky wrote:On September 18 2015 20:17 marvellosity wrote:
we can lynch jat instead if you like
*braces self*
meh, if someone is mafia then someone is mafia.
that game we mislynched you d2 as town while you were hard-defending the other LHF (Onegu)... LHF is often just LHF because they are scum to be fair, I was miller with a cop red check on me. i was fucked beyond belief, but yeah my reads were dumpster that game. Your most important task is to figure out damdred because I am not able to lynch his scummy ass without you. yeah, i'll do it later today if my baby is capable of sleeping for an hour without coughing and whatnot. but will 100% do it before EoN.
Good.
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On September 18 2015 20:28 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 20:25 Palmar wrote:On September 18 2015 20:18 marvellosity wrote:On September 18 2015 20:17 Palmar wrote:
if cephiro is mafia he is either being bussed or the only one remaining. who else wants to lynch ceph first? Idk, it seems like everyone is sort of fine with lynching him. weak reasoning, given the nature of confirmeds and unconfirmeds and stuff here. in addition there's 10 players alive, and at MOST 1 who can bus/defend cephiro, based on wile flipping mafia.
There is also nothing anyone could base a defense on really.
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On September 18 2015 21:01 Damdred wrote:Ok So I sort of went through JAT filter to just look for read information on JAT vs Wile to see if hes right that hes been pushing wile all day. + Show Spoiler +On September 15 2015 17:37 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 16:13 Damdred wrote:
I'm glad that someone else saw a problem in wil post I was paranoid I was going a bit off my rocker with my long hours tonight.
I'm about to sleep but... I'm still not sure that geript is mafia like I'm in the spot where I think he's still probably town.
I just think he can be this inconsistent as town but idk....meh I'm sleeping on it Yep, Wiles post was bad and he might be mafia. For geript I also share your concerns. For most people I would call rayns case a pretty damn strong case for day1. But geript is extremely calculated and careful as mafia with very thought out posts while his towngame is nonsensical at times. On September 15 2015 20:00 justanothertownie wrote:
He is in the geript/Wile/Onegu/(Palmar) pile of people who did not seem towny so far. On September 17 2015 00:51 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 00:50 marvellosity wrote:
can't agree at all on Wile i'm afraid.
Me neither. On September 17 2015 02:43 justanothertownie wrote:
I started reading Wiles filter fully expecting to convince myself that he is the best lynch today but I just can't seem to. I still disagree strongly with a lot of the stuff he said but I am not sure it actually makes him mafia. I can see some sort of train of thought reading his filter.
This is annoying.
End of D1 Start N1 On September 17 2015 17:41 justanothertownie wrote:Disclaimer: I did not really read what happened since I left yesterday yet. Only took a glance over the result and some posts that caught my eye so far. So background stuff: I said this at the beginning of the game: Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 07:58 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 07:55 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On September 15 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 07:45 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
so no one answered my question. I didnt care that much but it was a free town read and kind of a test Why would you townread someone for giving you information (I assume that's what you are talking about?)? Why are you smurfing if you are new here or do people in this game in fact know you? I never said I was smurfing but I sapose I am. I just have not played here or forum mafia in along time. I even forgot my tl login. People who want to solve the game will include me and try to interact with me, and help me. Mafia who just want my easy mislynch will ignore me as an outsider I just think it is weird to ask slam for his smurf instead of making your own account even if you lost your old one. It also means you knew slam had a smurf in the first place which is weird if you really haven't played here for a long time. And I still very much think so. SL played video mafia and knows a lot about it so this kind of backstory makes sense for him to invent. He also knows this particular smurf of slam and that other people can use it since I did so when I carried his useless ass as scum in void mafia. His condescending attitude and weird opinion on certain things (mentioning mathematics etc.) also fits perfectly. Now to the juicy part: Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 11:30 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
I think koshi is a villager hes just doing wild things that I feel like a person would not do if there a wolf/mafia. I feel most people have comfort lines they wont cross when they get that mafia pm and him going after no posters a couple hours into the game is one of those stupid lines a person would not cross.
This is a typical SL mistake and it happens multiple times in his filter. I already wondered when I saw it but decided to give him the benefit of the doubt because he isn't the only one I ever saw doing this. This one however I only ever saw Sicklucker make and nobody else: Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 06:29 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Yes if this is are last chance to talk gerpit and onegu probably best veg shots Absolutely characteristic of him. He did a decent job at hiding for a while but yesterday he slipped up. I am confident this is Sicklucker. On September 17 2015 19:57 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 19:51 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
You guys say alot of things that dont make sense. Im going to be gone this weekend too I kind of forgot about it. Gone from friday to monday afternoon with limited access. This guy will have to die sooner rather than later. On September 17 2015 20:05 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 20:01 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Thats not a very nice thing to say to someone that helped keep you in the game. Like do you guys listen to yourselves. You both town read me and now i am apparently mafia because im a different person. Your taking meta to a whole new level I never ever townread you broski. On September 18 2015 00:10 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 23:10 Palmar wrote:On September 17 2015 22:22 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 05:26 Damdred wrote:On September 17 2015 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And Wile is never going to be mafia ffs. Yo add onto this there's this moment that just happened. He was obviously catching up in thread and he had this ah ha moment when he thought he caught moosey. It just seemed so legitimate and honest and such a town reaction. Pretty sure rayns right on him. But I think we lynch jat Why the fuck did people sheep this retarded argument? Wile/SL wasn't even the first one pointing it out. A big chunk of this game was about that shit. Because it is not a retarded argument. Yes, people had already discussed that, but that doesn't make the argument invalid. The argument goes like this wile is reading thread wile reads something and goes "hey, fuck yeah I got this guy" wile reads on realizes that "oh wait, people already talked about it and it's been explained why it's not relevant" The idea is, wile is less likely to be mafia because he was 1) actually reading the thread 2) trying to find things that look off 3) excited when he thought he found something It's not really a complicated concept. It doesn't mean he's guaranteed to be town, but it means he's more likely to be town. On September 17 2015 22:22 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 06:02 Damdred wrote:
Jats the best lynch probably he doesn't care it seems pushed nothing all day.
See point 3). Blatant lie. Painting this as blatant lie is at best dumb and at worst scummy. He's not even stating a fact, he's stating an opinion. And I agree (although this post comes after you admittedly had started contributing more). I even said as much at least twice in the thread. On September 15 2015 18:57 Palmar wrote:
I feel like JAT has basically been a non-entity this game. Maybe I should tunnel him to see what happens. On September 16 2015 19:40 Palmar wrote:
JAT could also be mafia. I am actually serious that he could be. There's a lot of argumentative loud people in this game and there is plenty to stuff I talk about. I just get this overall feeling that he's always sort of in the background. Maybe I'm just ignoring his posts but whenever people are talking in the thread (for example this morning) it feels like he is offering way less to the discussion than everyone else who is talking. On September 17 2015 22:22 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 06:26 Palmar wrote:
Also his "I'm not gonna tell you how to live your life" post was gold. What was good about that? He clearly missed the point of the post entirely. That was more about the humor value of the post. You even admit it yourself. I HAD done stuff at the point damdred made that post. Therefore it IS a lie. And notice how damdred never ever talks about anything I said all game. He simply does not care, he just wants to lynch me. And to the Wile thing: Moosy was Wiles top mafiaread almost all game right? The thing we are talking about is the main reason why people scumread Moosy before rayn went full retard. And it wasn't a throwaway comment someone made at some point. It was actually said by multiple people and was a big point of discussion. So you are telling me Wile does not know why his top mafiaread is being scumread. The conclusion is that he is either totally disinterested in his top mafiaread or that he is acting. Both heavily point towards him being mafia. Ok context sake the no jat doesn't agree on wile was when Rayn hard town read him, and jat also put him in a lynch list as well. The D1 push on wile isn't much of a push at all, and he ends up sorta town reading him deciding the lynch is between me and ceph d1. N1 he does have a more concerted push on Wile, but just for context he does decide that I am a better lynch on several occasions and pushes for me over wile during the night. But his push does look better during the night. Overall it doesn't quite clear JAT, and if wile is SL its nai because obviously jat hates him and always busses him as scum meh. But n1 does look slightly better than jat, but I don't think he can say that he was pushing wile super hard all game either meh. Especially with the bolded which I want an explanation on.
I am not bussing someone because I do not like him. I like to win games and I did not even bus SL when we were fighting all game in the void scum qt. This is retarded. I also cannot push someone over someone els during the night since there is no lynch. I can just say who I think is mafia and to me you both were and still are.
What bolded btw.?
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On September 18 2015 21:13 Damdred wrote:It didn't bold meh. But I am pretty sure I was your prefered lynch todya over wile and you spent more posts disparaging me then pushing wile. Show nested quote +mber 17 2015 02:43 justanothertownie wrote:
I started reading Wiles filter fully expecting to convince myself that he is the best lynch today but I just can't seem to. I still disagree strongly with a lot of the stuff he said but I am not sure it actually makes him mafia. I can see some sort of train of thought reading his filter.
This is annoying. This post is the exact opposite of hard pushing him why did you decide this specifically.
The reasoning is in the post. I didn't know it was SL yet and he had not done some of the stuff I later grilled him for yet. His filter didn't seem as scummy as yours and Cephiros.
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On September 18 2015 21:29 Damdred wrote:
Gotta explain why his filter didn't seem as scummy as mine and cephs.
Or how not pushing d1 and pushing ok n1 makes you town.
And to the comment you don't really treat scum partners this way void says you do. You bussed Hts I believe while hard bussing SL at the same time.
No, void day1 I did bus SL because people (marv and HF) were on his ass hardcore and he was more or less confirmed mafia. I did not bus HTS at all and I basically outed myself because of it.
Then Koshi and HF came and HTS was the confirmed mafia so I had to vote her. And Koshi for some inexplicable Koshi reason declared SL 100 % town after the lynch and people believed him for further inexplicable reasons. We weren't even fighting each other add that point. That came later and I did not bus him then. I ignored him and carried his lazy ass to victory by mislynching people.
I said why yours and Cephiros filter felt scummier then. I can quote the posts for you if you can't read. I do not bus people if I don't need to. Never have, probably never will. And I did not have to bus Wile here since people bought your bad point about him.
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On September 18 2015 21:39 Damdred wrote:
Tbh I'm not super sold on it being jat but its possible. If its two mafia jat probably has to be in it. If one ehhh
No, it is neither possible nor do I have to be in it. You on the other hand probably are. You just begin to understand that you will not be able to mislynch me.
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On September 18 2015 21:44 Damdred wrote:
Ummm you do understand that nobody really town reads you? And most of the game town reads me or town leans on me right?
You aren't explaining your positions.
You say that you hard pushed wile all game when you soft pushed for some of d1 but then eliminated him for reasons you refuse to explain fully.
You say you don't bus when you obviously do.
And instead of playing mafia you are only personally attacking people which is nai for you.
So overall you look like a decent lynch
I explained my positions when I made them - you saying otherwise is just blatantly false. I never said I hardpushed Wile - how could I if I wasn't around for the lynch anyways? I said I called him mafia/bussed him all game and I did. That I waffled myself out of it before the lynch in favor of other likely mafia doesn't invalidate that in the slightest and it certainly does not invalidate my stronger push on him later.
I do not bus if I am not forced to. Show me one example where I ever did that. You can't.
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Damdred, assume for a minute (just a minute) that I am town.
Who is mafia?
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On September 18 2015 21:58 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 21:44 Damdred wrote:
Ummm you do understand that nobody really town reads you? And most of the game town reads me or town leans on me right?
You aren't explaining your positions.
You say that you hard pushed wile all game when you soft pushed for some of d1 but then eliminated him for reasons you refuse to explain fully.
You say you don't bus when you obviously do.
And instead of playing mafia you are only personally attacking people which is nai for you.
So overall you look like a decent lynch I explained my positions when I made them - you saying otherwise is just blatantly false. I never said I hardpushed Wile - how could I if I wasn't around for the lynch anyways? I said I called him mafia/bussed him all game and I did. That I waffled myself out of it before the lynch in favor of other likely mafia doesn't invalidate that in the slightest and it certainly does not invalidate my stronger push on him later. I do not bus if I am not forced to. Show me one example where I ever did that. You can't.
^
Not to mention that the confirmed townie who died in the night hard townread me and scumread damdred.
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On September 18 2015 22:13 Damdred wrote:
If you had been reading the thread before you started attacking people you would know I was considering other pairings that did not include jat in it.
You weren't forced to bus in void and you did.
Also rayn town read me what are you on about
Rayn did not townread you. rofl
And yes Koshi, rayn hard townread me and never changed his mind night1.
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Ok, rayn did not hard scumread damdred night1 but he called him mafia day1 and continued to say this:
On September 17 2015 18:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 18:35 marvellosity wrote:
can you explain why you think it's more likely? i kinda subscribed to the Palmar train of thought on him, for as much as i thought about him I think i wrote a post about him on d1. You should read it.
The only post that even closely resembles a townread is this but he is talking about the early game here:
On September 17 2015 18:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think i am pretty good at reading damdred and i thought he was town early on.
And it is easily overwritten by this:
On September 17 2015 18:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 18:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Like, why does he think he "needs protection" against me if I am obvious mafia like he claims? Hmmm okat that makes sense rofl.
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On September 18 2015 22:28 Koshi wrote:
JAT is using way too many moments in this game to proof he is not mafia.
If I prove that I am not mafia we probably win this game. It is the best thing I can do for town.
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On September 18 2015 22:13 Damdred wrote:
If you had been reading the thread before you started attacking people you would know I was considering other pairings that did not include jat in it.
You weren't forced to bus in void and you did.
Also rayn town read me what are you on about
I was absolutely forced to bus in void.
What are those other pairings? Because the world we are living in is that I am town.
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On September 18 2015 22:53 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 07:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But Damdred is town why would you want to lynch him? Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 08:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
townpile:
Cephiro
Palmar
Damdred
Koshi
ritoky
maybe town pile:
marvellosity
idk pile:
Onegu
Wile E. Coyote
justanothertownie
TheWarWaffle
scumpile:
MoosyDoosy
geript
Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wile E. Coyote
Palmar
marvellosity
TheWarWaffle
Damdred
ritoky
Koshi
i am really really really sure these people are town.
Onto Wile and Waffle, i am really good at reading people from other places because i actually do play in other places aswell, and i can play quite well there aswell;
Wile's play makes no sense as mafia and it doesn't look like he has a team behind him, like he is not pushing any agenda. Regardless of if his reads are good or not or if he makes sense or not.
Waffle is almost definitely town because he had this really ridiculous "if Moosy flips mafia then rayn is godfather" thought process. It doesn't make any sense for him to make the post as mafia because he would have to explain the logic behind it (there literally is no logic lol) and he would know he is fucked. Basically the most likely answer is he actually has some bad reason to think so and it makes him town. Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 01:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 17 2015 01:08 marvellosity wrote:On September 17 2015 01:07 geript wrote:
You can blame this on me and my business I'm sure isn't helping, but I really think at least 1 of the vet circle is mafia. I'm not mafia, and I don't think Palmer makes that read as mafia. I'm pretty sure Marv is town.
You can blame me afterwards if I'm wrong. Idc. But I'm really struggling to townread the people I usually have an easy time reading (Rayn/Damdred). IDc about JAT or Koshi as idk how to read them and cba to think about it currently.
But I'm really sure moosy/Tww are both town. I hopefully will be home ~1.5 hr prior to lynch but no promises as if we go long I'll be stck on phone. But please take a look at your reads on each other (I will too when I get back) because I think this lynch is spinning wrong and I can't figure out why I think that. can you splain? or tell me you already did so i can go search for it. like you/rayn have said so but i just don't get it. like i understand there are reasons that he *could* be town, i mentioned one myself, but i don't understand the certainty about it floating around One of the vets is mafia. Doesn't have a clear read on me/Damdred (both are obviously town). Doesn't CARE to figure out if it is Koshi/JAT. conclusion; rayn is most likely mafia from the vet circle. Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 02:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
hmm is Damdred actually mafia? (this one needs thread context but we had a disagreement over a geript read and he said fair enough later) Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 04:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
like i am waffling between jat/damdred/cephiro.
and i don't think cephiro is the scummiest of those people. there is 3 mafia soo....... (this one is during our disagreement) Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 18:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 17 2015 18:32 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 18:29 marvellosity wrote:
yeah, if Wile is sl, he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt for the thing that Damdred pointed out. Damdred has been spectacularly wrong or mafia (more likely) anyways. But damdred is not mafia if wile + cephiro are. Because geript is scum aswell. Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 18:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think i am pretty good at reading damdred and i thought he was town early on. So yeah heres all rayns reads on me... Sooo where does he hard scum me?
The posts before your "disagreement" are irrelevant and the ones afterwards he is not calling you town. He said your are not mafia IF Wile and Cephiro are both mafia. That is no townread.
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On September 18 2015 23:12 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 22:48 justanothertownie wrote:Ok, rayn did not hard scumread damdred night1 but he called him mafia day1 and continued to say this: On September 17 2015 18:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 17 2015 18:35 marvellosity wrote:
can you explain why you think it's more likely? i kinda subscribed to the Palmar train of thought on him, for as much as i thought about him I think i wrote a post about him on d1. You should read it. The only post that even closely resembles a townread is this but he is talking about the early game here: On September 17 2015 18:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think i am pretty good at reading damdred and i thought he was town early on. And it is easily overwritten by this: On September 17 2015 18:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 17 2015 18:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Like, why does he think he "needs protection" against me if I am obvious mafia like he claims? Hmmm okat that makes sense rofl. Jat you said rayn called me scum d1 and continued to say it when he never did. You can read into that post all you want but he didn't call me scum and he said town just that your post is logical...
He never townread you again after calling you mafia and posts like the last one I quoted do not indicate any change of opinion.
So, we will obviously not agree on this. I asked you for the "pairings" you supposedly thought about.
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On September 18 2015 23:25 Palmar wrote:The reason I say that is jat keeps painting a picture where something that is arguable/marginal is much more than it is. For example this stuff with damdred now. Also the stuff I posted during the night: Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 23:10 Palmar wrote:On September 17 2015 22:22 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 05:26 Damdred wrote:On September 17 2015 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And Wile is never going to be mafia ffs. Yo add onto this there's this moment that just happened. He was obviously catching up in thread and he had this ah ha moment when he thought he caught moosey. It just seemed so legitimate and honest and such a town reaction. Pretty sure rayns right on him. But I think we lynch jat Why the fuck did people sheep this retarded argument? Wile/SL wasn't even the first one pointing it out. A big chunk of this game was about that shit. Because it is not a retarded argument. Yes, people had already discussed that, but that doesn't make the argument invalid. The argument goes like this wile is reading thread wile reads something and goes "hey, fuck yeah I got this guy" wile reads on realizes that "oh wait, people already talked about it and it's been explained why it's not relevant" The idea is, wile is less likely to be mafia because he was 1) actually reading the thread 2) trying to find things that look off 3) excited when he thought he found something It's not really a complicated concept. It doesn't mean he's guaranteed to be town, but it means he's more likely to be town. On September 17 2015 22:22 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 06:02 Damdred wrote:
Jats the best lynch probably he doesn't care it seems pushed nothing all day.
See point 3). Blatant lie. Painting this as blatant lie is at best dumb and at worst scummy. He's not even stating a fact, he's stating an opinion. And I agree (although this post comes after you admittedly had started contributing more). I even said as much at least twice in the thread. On September 15 2015 18:57 Palmar wrote:
I feel like JAT has basically been a non-entity this game. Maybe I should tunnel him to see what happens. On September 16 2015 19:40 Palmar wrote:
JAT could also be mafia. I am actually serious that he could be. There's a lot of argumentative loud people in this game and there is plenty to stuff I talk about. I just get this overall feeling that he's always sort of in the background. Maybe I'm just ignoring his posts but whenever people are talking in the thread (for example this morning) it feels like he is offering way less to the discussion than everyone else who is talking. On September 17 2015 22:22 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 06:26 Palmar wrote:
Also his "I'm not gonna tell you how to live your life" post was gold. What was good about that? He clearly missed the point of the post entirely. That was more about the humor value of the post. It's another example of sort of the same thing. I cba going back to check now, but I posted about jat being background-y and he argued that one as well. It's the whole "slight misinterpretation" -> "blatant lie". "waffly read" - > "hard scumread"
I did not argue being backgroundy for most of day1. I argued that it makes me mafia which it evidently doesn't. And the blatant lie was a blatant lie.
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On September 18 2015 23:33 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 23:29 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 23:25 Palmar wrote:The reason I say that is jat keeps painting a picture where something that is arguable/marginal is much more than it is. For example this stuff with damdred now. Also the stuff I posted during the night: On September 17 2015 23:10 Palmar wrote:On September 17 2015 22:22 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 05:26 Damdred wrote:On September 17 2015 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And Wile is never going to be mafia ffs. Yo add onto this there's this moment that just happened. He was obviously catching up in thread and he had this ah ha moment when he thought he caught moosey. It just seemed so legitimate and honest and such a town reaction. Pretty sure rayns right on him. But I think we lynch jat Why the fuck did people sheep this retarded argument? Wile/SL wasn't even the first one pointing it out. A big chunk of this game was about that shit. Because it is not a retarded argument. Yes, people had already discussed that, but that doesn't make the argument invalid. The argument goes like this wile is reading thread wile reads something and goes "hey, fuck yeah I got this guy" wile reads on realizes that "oh wait, people already talked about it and it's been explained why it's not relevant" The idea is, wile is less likely to be mafia because he was 1) actually reading the thread 2) trying to find things that look off 3) excited when he thought he found something It's not really a complicated concept. It doesn't mean he's guaranteed to be town, but it means he's more likely to be town. On September 17 2015 22:22 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 06:02 Damdred wrote:
Jats the best lynch probably he doesn't care it seems pushed nothing all day.
See point 3). Blatant lie. Painting this as blatant lie is at best dumb and at worst scummy. He's not even stating a fact, he's stating an opinion. And I agree (although this post comes after you admittedly had started contributing more). I even said as much at least twice in the thread. On September 15 2015 18:57 Palmar wrote:
I feel like JAT has basically been a non-entity this game. Maybe I should tunnel him to see what happens. On September 16 2015 19:40 Palmar wrote:
JAT could also be mafia. I am actually serious that he could be. There's a lot of argumentative loud people in this game and there is plenty to stuff I talk about. I just get this overall feeling that he's always sort of in the background. Maybe I'm just ignoring his posts but whenever people are talking in the thread (for example this morning) it feels like he is offering way less to the discussion than everyone else who is talking. On September 17 2015 22:22 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 06:26 Palmar wrote:
Also his "I'm not gonna tell you how to live your life" post was gold. What was good about that? He clearly missed the point of the post entirely. That was more about the humor value of the post. It's another example of sort of the same thing. I cba going back to check now, but I posted about jat being background-y and he argued that one as well. It's the whole "slight misinterpretation" -> "blatant lie". "waffly read" - > "hard scumread" I did not argue being backgroundy for most of day1. I argued that it makes me mafia which it evidently doesn't. And the blatant lie was a blatant lie. a blatant lie to you but apparently to noone else in the whole game must be everyone else in the whole game
No, Palmar even aknowledged that what damdred said wasn't true. But apparently that does not make it a lie.
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On September 18 2015 23:34 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 23:29 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 23:25 Palmar wrote:The reason I say that is jat keeps painting a picture where something that is arguable/marginal is much more than it is. For example this stuff with damdred now. Also the stuff I posted during the night: On September 17 2015 23:10 Palmar wrote:On September 17 2015 22:22 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 05:26 Damdred wrote:On September 17 2015 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And Wile is never going to be mafia ffs. Yo add onto this there's this moment that just happened. He was obviously catching up in thread and he had this ah ha moment when he thought he caught moosey. It just seemed so legitimate and honest and such a town reaction. Pretty sure rayns right on him. But I think we lynch jat Why the fuck did people sheep this retarded argument? Wile/SL wasn't even the first one pointing it out. A big chunk of this game was about that shit. Because it is not a retarded argument. Yes, people had already discussed that, but that doesn't make the argument invalid. The argument goes like this wile is reading thread wile reads something and goes "hey, fuck yeah I got this guy" wile reads on realizes that "oh wait, people already talked about it and it's been explained why it's not relevant" The idea is, wile is less likely to be mafia because he was 1) actually reading the thread 2) trying to find things that look off 3) excited when he thought he found something It's not really a complicated concept. It doesn't mean he's guaranteed to be town, but it means he's more likely to be town. On September 17 2015 22:22 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 06:02 Damdred wrote:
Jats the best lynch probably he doesn't care it seems pushed nothing all day.
See point 3). Blatant lie. Painting this as blatant lie is at best dumb and at worst scummy. He's not even stating a fact, he's stating an opinion. And I agree (although this post comes after you admittedly had started contributing more). I even said as much at least twice in the thread. On September 15 2015 18:57 Palmar wrote:
I feel like JAT has basically been a non-entity this game. Maybe I should tunnel him to see what happens. On September 16 2015 19:40 Palmar wrote:
JAT could also be mafia. I am actually serious that he could be. There's a lot of argumentative loud people in this game and there is plenty to stuff I talk about. I just get this overall feeling that he's always sort of in the background. Maybe I'm just ignoring his posts but whenever people are talking in the thread (for example this morning) it feels like he is offering way less to the discussion than everyone else who is talking. On September 17 2015 22:22 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 06:26 Palmar wrote:
Also his "I'm not gonna tell you how to live your life" post was gold. What was good about that? He clearly missed the point of the post entirely. That was more about the humor value of the post. It's another example of sort of the same thing. I cba going back to check now, but I posted about jat being background-y and he argued that one as well. It's the whole "slight misinterpretation" -> "blatant lie". "waffly read" - > "hard scumread" I did not argue being backgroundy for most of day1. I argued that it makes me mafia which it evidently doesn't. And the blatant lie was a blatant lie. Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 19:48 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 19:40 Palmar wrote:
JAT could also be mafia. I am actually serious that he could be. There's a lot of argumentative loud people in this game and there is plenty to stuff I talk about. I just get this overall feeling that he's always sort of in the background. Maybe I'm just ignoring his posts but whenever people are talking in the thread (for example this morning) it feels like he is offering way less to the discussion than everyone else who is talking. You can say I was in the background yesterday. But not today - that's just plain untrue. Not that it would make me mafia anyways.
There is 0 contradiction in those posts?????
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On September 18 2015 23:27 Palmar wrote:
Come to think of it.
I remember jat calling out marv on day 1. I can't quite remember why that died down.
Oh, I wonder... MAYBE it died down because everyone decided that marv cannot be mafia and I could not push it anyways since I knew I would not be around for the lynch.
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But sure I am obviously mafia together with everyone I attacked or called mafia. Because that is how I play mafia.
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What the fuck was I thinking joining this game. I knew this would happen.
On September 14 2015 14:19 justanothertownie wrote:
With Koshi and Palmar there are already 2 people in the game who always think I am mafia regardless of my alignment anyways and there is no fucking way that I put this amount of effort into the game.
Maybe I should follow my own advice.
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On September 18 2015 23:39 Palmar wrote:
also if geript is mafia and wins this game by talking about penises I am quitting mafia.
Then say why he is mafia and push him.
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On September 18 2015 23:45 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 23:42 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 23:39 Palmar wrote:
also if geript is mafia and wins this game by talking about penises I am quitting mafia. Then say why he is mafia and push him. I don't know that he's mafia. There are reasons to think this is town. Also, we can only lynch one person today. I'm not going to do stuff I don't want to do until I have to do it.
Fine, then I will just not do anything either. I have 0 way of convincing people like you and Koshi anyways since you just insist on always being wrong on me without fail.
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On September 18 2015 23:45 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 23:39 Palmar wrote:
also if geript is mafia and wins this game by talking about penises I am quitting mafia. Why are you so angry? I'm not mafia? Also, that job that they told me that wasn't open and offered me PRN instead I JUST GOT!!! What's to be mad about?
Congrats man.
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On September 18 2015 23:48 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 23:41 justanothertownie wrote:What the fuck was I thinking joining this game. I knew this would happen. On September 14 2015 14:19 justanothertownie wrote:
With Koshi and Palmar there are already 2 people in the game who always think I am mafia regardless of my alignment anyways and there is no fucking way that I put this amount of effort into the game. Maybe I should follow my own advice. You know you're just encouraging me. But no I don't always think you're mafia. I think you're mafia when you do things that are mafia like. I backed off you last game because you started doing things that were town like. I don't think you have done things that are town like this game. Or well, I have no definite moment of "aha, that makes him town.", like I found in the last game.
Then that just makes you bad and you should probably take a look into my filter at some point. There are more than enpough aha moments to be found in there.
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On September 18 2015 23:49 Palmar wrote:
like you can call me wrong all you want, but I tunneled you for half a day and you're butthurt about it. Then when I gave the detailed mafia team at the opening of day 3, you nagged me to explain it instead of just bowing down for your lord and savior.
I said it was the mafia team on the exact same day.
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On September 18 2015 23:51 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 23:50 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 23:49 Palmar wrote:
like you can call me wrong all you want, but I tunneled you for half a day and you're butthurt about it. Then when I gave the detailed mafia team at the opening of day 3, you nagged me to explain it instead of just bowing down for your lord and savior. I said it was the mafia team on the exact same day. yes you parroted me, good job.
Yeah, I parroted you so much that I needed to convince you that vivax was confirmed mafia. Get out.
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On September 18 2015 23:52 marvellosity wrote:
nice to watch others dick measuring.
You are being so productive. That's nice to watch too.
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On September 18 2015 23:53 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 23:52 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 23:52 marvellosity wrote:
nice to watch others dick measuring. You are being so productive. That's nice to watch too. i'm lynching mafia today, that's lots of productive right there.
Respect.
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On September 18 2015 23:54 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 23:52 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 23:51 Palmar wrote:On September 18 2015 23:50 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 23:49 Palmar wrote:
like you can call me wrong all you want, but I tunneled you for half a day and you're butthurt about it. Then when I gave the detailed mafia team at the opening of day 3, you nagged me to explain it instead of just bowing down for your lord and savior. I said it was the mafia team on the exact same day. yes you parroted me, good job. Yeah, I parroted you so much that I needed to convince you that vivax was confirmed mafia. Get out. No, you pointed out to me that he was mechanically confirmed. I already knew he was mafia and was hard pushing him. My reads are so good I don't have to worry about mechanics.
yaaaaawn
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On September 18 2015 23:55 marvellosity wrote:
There was a boy called jat
and it's plain for everyone, even me
just from glancing at his dick
it only takes a second to click
there's really nothing to see
You won't fuel my anger like this :p
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On September 19 2015 00:00 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 23:58 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 23:55 marvellosity wrote:
There was a boy called jat
and it's plain for everyone, even me
just from glancing at his dick
it only takes a second to click
there's really nothing to see You won't fuel my anger like this :p There was a boy called jat away from him, everyone would flee once look at his groin his handsomely endowed loins simply too big for me for balance <3
lol
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On September 19 2015 00:07 Palmar wrote:
rayn wrote poems in xxx and he was mafia.
marv is mafia
#meta
Still better meta usage than Koshis :/
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On September 19 2015 00:16 marvellosity wrote:
this lynch was actually best case scenario given my weekend plans. only just thought of that. nice
It absolutely is. Palmar has no weekend excuse for the next lynch. You don't have an excuse. The tinfoil world where scott/Koshi is mafia should be solved by then. It is perfect.
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On September 19 2015 00:24 Palmar wrote:
don't pat yourself too much on the back, you called me mafia for most of day 1.
Let's just say his play has been award worthy so far.
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On September 19 2015 00:26 Koshi wrote:
btw did we already discuss how I tricked mafia into thinking I was an important blue? I mean... Obv Koshi gets the RB. That sexy bastard.
The respect is real.
Or maybe mafia just aren't idiots and since you are basically an innocent child but not nk worthy you are the obvious rb target.
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On September 19 2015 00:29 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2015 00:27 justanothertownie wrote:On September 19 2015 00:26 Koshi wrote:
btw did we already discuss how I tricked mafia into thinking I was an important blue? I mean... Obv Koshi gets the RB. That sexy bastard.
The respect is real. Or maybe mafia just aren't idiots and since you are basically an innocent child but not nk worthy you are the obvious rb target. jat defends his decision
Sure, I obviously can't let him get away with my godtier mafia decisions.
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On September 19 2015 00:31 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2015 00:29 Palmar wrote:On September 19 2015 00:27 justanothertownie wrote:On September 19 2015 00:26 Koshi wrote:
btw did we already discuss how I tricked mafia into thinking I was an important blue? I mean... Obv Koshi gets the RB. That sexy bastard.
The respect is real. Or maybe mafia just aren't idiots and since you are basically an innocent child but not nk worthy you are the obvious rb target. jat defends his decision "But I wouldn't do that as mafia" line inc.
Nah, let's be honest I absolutely would.
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On September 19 2015 00:50 Koshi wrote:
Oh did I mention that in above scumgame of mine there was no RB on mafia, a cop and an AWARE miller on town?
Truly balanced. gg Artanis.
Compare that to this game. lolololol
Yeah, that game was awful. And I still almost won it despite having you on my team. Pretty impressive.
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On September 19 2015 01:01 Wile E. Coyote wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 21:37 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 21:29 Damdred wrote:
Gotta explain why his filter didn't seem as scummy as mine and cephs.
Or how not pushing d1 and pushing ok n1 makes you town.
And to the comment you don't really treat scum partners this way void says you do. You bussed Hts I believe while hard bussing SL at the same time. No, void day1 I did bus SL because people (marv and HF) were on his ass hardcore and he was more or less confirmed mafia. I did not bus HTS at all and I basically outed myself because of it. Then Koshi and HF came and HTS was the confirmed mafia so I had to vote her. And Koshi for some inexplicable Koshi reason declared SL 100 % town after the lynch and people believed him for further inexplicable reasons. We weren't even fighting each other add that point. That came later and I did not bus him then. I ignored him and carried his lazy ass to victory by mislynching people. I said why yours and Cephiros filter felt scummier then. I can quote the posts for you if you can't read. I do not bus people if I don't need to. Never have, probably never will. And I did not have to bus Wile here since people bought your bad point about him. Lol it still grillz you to this day that I tricked town that game. I made a big play on day 1 if I remember that took balls
Why would it? Town being idiots made me win that game.
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On September 19 2015 01:13 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Well have fun playing mafia in your moms basements while I enjoy a nice weekend of music.
I actually think I may visit my parents over the weekend, good idea.
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On September 19 2015 02:20 Damdred wrote:
Would be nice tbh if ceph was last mafia and just got mod killed for not voting
He might aswell concede then anyways. There is no way he isn't getting lynched at some point.
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On September 19 2015 03:56 Cephiro wrote:
Not planning on getting modkilled, nor do I plan on getting lynched or NK'ed. In the unfortunate case that happens, I won't be flipping red anyway.
##vote Wile E. Coyote
Still do think marv is a good lynch, but not in a hurry to do anything about it since we have "confirmed" scum to kill. I guess I'll post my thoughts on it during the night or later in the daycycle, depending on when I feel like it. (Or unless you people have a specific reason you'd want it any earlier, given that it's not currently very relevant.)
Doubt mafia wants to kill me with my current level of activity, would make sense for them to keep me around to try and push a mislynch on me later.
Someone was also asking about my scum play, whoever that was: I can do pretty much anything as scum (and town too). Bussing is more like a rule, with not bussing being the exception for me. At least when it comes to games where there are at least 3 mafia members. So while I won't mind if you read me favourably based on my voting and actions at the end of D1, you shouldn't think it has to make me town.
Oh, don't worry about that. You voted a townie anyways.
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On September 19 2015 04:34 Koshi wrote:
I hope I am alive tomorrow. Lynching JAT or marv. I am trembling with anticipation.
I will eat my hat if you die night2. You are mafias best asset.
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On September 19 2015 05:33 Cephiro wrote:
We lynch Wile, simple as that. Also I'd prefer to stay as a mislynch target for now, so I'm going to stay that way.
This has to be one if the dumbest things I had to read all game. And Koshi is in it so that really means something.
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On September 19 2015 11:56 geript wrote:
In looking back at it, I don't think Marv is mafia either. I don't think he talks about his Rayn read how he does if he's mafia. I think he entertains it at least a little. In the least, he can do so to like try and super hang me with it or at least spread a question in regards to Rayn's alignment if sentiment moves that way. So I don't think Marv's mafia either.
I kinda just htink Onegu might have been janitor.
TBH I'mnot quite sure if I'm sour about still not getting Vigi. Obviously, I probably would've shot wrong, but it means I still didn't get to shoot anyone.
Can you show what exactly you are talking about with the rayn read? In my opinion it being too confident too early is not a point in marvs favor. He made mistakes like that before when he was mafia.
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On September 19 2015 11:53 geript wrote:
Shooting Rayn is kinda an interesting choice. They're choosing not to medic dodge as I think he's a bit more likely (considering most people's reads) than Marv or Palmar.
The funny thing is that it feels like more of a Palmar kill than a Marv kill, but IDK if either of them would actually make that kill. So I can still live in a world where both Palmar and Marv are town.
Why wouldn't they make that kill? I don't follow your logic at all.
If marv is mafia he absolutely needs to get rid of rayn because he can never change his mind about him and has to support him. Imagine he shot someone that isn't palmar or rayn - then there would still be 2 good players (ok, let's say 1,5 considering one of them is palmar) alive now who he could never attack and who would never be lynched before him. That rayn was universally townread and strongly townreading me is a bonus too.
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Medic dodging is also not as good in a 13 player mini with 1 KP. If a shot gets blocked town does not gain a mislynch and mafia did not know there was a vigi in this game.
And now that I think about it - even if they suspected it the shot is good since if rayn gets saved the vigi is not confirmed regardless of who he shoots due to the janitor.
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I think trying to lynch marv day3 is the best play we can make. If he is town it will most likely become obvious and then the game is literally solved (3 suspects with damdred, cephiro and geript, 3 lynches) assuming scott is real which I see no reason to doubt. If he is mafia that's nice too.
I will try to put into words why I think he could be mafia in a minute.
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On September 20 2015 00:46 Palmar wrote:This is hilarious and possibly intentional. Step 1: Jat and geript read OP Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 07:24 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 07:23 geript wrote:
Am I the only person that caught that Rayn wasn't confirmed to his partner and vice versa? No, reading the OP isn't that hard. Step 2: Jat and geript don't read the OP Show nested quote +On September 19 2015 11:53 geript wrote:
Shooting Rayn is kinda an interesting choice. They're choosing not to medic dodge as I think he's a bit more likely (considering most people's reads) than Marv or Palmar.
The funny thing is that it feels like more of a Palmar kill than a Marv kill, but IDK if either of them would actually make that kill. So I can still live in a world where both Palmar and Marv are town. Show nested quote +On September 19 2015 21:06 justanothertownie wrote:
Medic dodging is also not as good in a 13 player mini with 1 KP. If a shot gets blocked town does not gain a mislynch and mafia did not know there was a vigi in this game.
And now that I think about it - even if they suspected it the shot is good since if rayn gets saved the vigi is not confirmed regardless of who he shoots due to the janitor. There is literally no medic/jailkeeper in the game. Don't know what to do with this. The reason is, two people made the same mistake. I (mis?)remembered it being JAT who had pointed the thing about the masons, then I saw him talk about medic dodging, so I charged right to my computer in order to post why JAT is 100% mafia for this. The problem is, when I started looking into JAT's filter to see where he had said it I found it it was geript who had said the thing about the masons and JAT simply agreed with him. This means that unless those two are exactly the remaining mafia team (this is actually very possible, it just means Onegu is town), then at least one townie made the mistake. It's a great wifom bomb to throw if you're scum. "Look, I wasn't aware of mechanics that affect night kills so I can't be mafia!!!", although it also requires one, or both of them to have forgotten about having already bragged about reading the OP. Or alternatively (and much more unlikely) knowing about it and simply gambling no one would notice. So idk...
Talk about levels of mafia play. lol
On September 20 2015 01:13 Palmar wrote:
Anyway, it's weekend, I'm not going to be much around.
Damdred has been dropping off it feels like but still.
Ceph said something about wanting to be suspicious which doesn't sound suspicious at all. I also think JAT called him out on it which is mehh~~~~
I called it dumb. Do you disagree it is dumb? I hope you don't.
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I fell asleep/am not feeling too well. Will write up my thoughts on marv later. Noone is doing anything anyways.
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The thing with reading the OP: I was obviously aware of the mason thing since it is special and was discussed pre game. Believe it or not I would not intentionally make myself look dumb as mafia.
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On September 20 2015 06:58 geript wrote:
So I've been thinking about it. And there's definitely at least 1 mafia voting for Wile. We should probably find out who that is. My guess is that it's probably not the claimed vigilante. I also don't think it's Koshi. It'd be really cool if it were Scott, that's be a really sweet play; but I doubt it.
So I'm pretty sure we just lynch JAT.
Feel free to explain your stance at any point.
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SO, I am finally at a computer again. I went through all "unconfirmed" filters while I was sitting in the train. The simple things first:
If scott is real Koshi is confirmed town. Even if he isn't Koshi is very likely town because I have huge doubts he could fake his retarded townmeta as mafia. He is not good enough to be this wrong while knowing the right answers.
If scott is real he will be shot tonight or the night after this one. There is no way around that and it means we do not need to think about any tinfoil worlds. He either gets shot before (potential) LYLO or he is mafia.
Ritoky is 100 % confirmed town.
Some assumptions:
If marv is mafia Onegu was very likely town. I do not see marv still trying after losing both of his buddies. So marv has to have a partner.
Palmar can only be mafia if marv is also scum. If marv is not only not able to prove his innocence but ALSO wrong on Palmar then this game is really really fucked up and I do not believe in this kind of world. So we do not have to think about lynching Palmar at all before we dealt with marv. Also Palmar seems pretty towny anyways.
This leaves geript, marv, cephiro and damdred.
Geript:
There are multiple dumbtells in his filter. Not only the medic thing Palmar pointed out earlier. This + his nonsensical pushes on Palmar and Rayn suggest that for him to be mafia he would have to change the way he plays scum drastically. His play isn't very thoughtful, careful or calculated and in my experience his mafia play tends to be. He is just trolling around. The fact that noone besides Palmar really scumreads him could also be interpreted as a point in his favor - if he is mafia we are all collectively terrible.
The simpler conclusion is that he is just town. I could be wrong on him but at the moment I want to lynch him the least out of the 4 possible lynches.
Cephiro:
There is not much to be said about him that hasn't been said already. Hasn't done much since he got his townreads early in the game. He is definitely the low hanging fruit regardless of his alignment. His posting around the day1 lynch and afterwards do not make me lean one way or the other.
Damdred:
Fell off completely recently but to be fair he said he wouldn't be around. I think I said everything that needs to be said about him and I don't feel like repeating myself. the only thing that made me doubt my scumread on him is how he questioned Wiles claim but it is entirely possible that he just treated him as dead weight already.
If I have to read "to a point", "to a degree", "a little" or "a bit" again soon I might vomit btw.
Marv:
Palmar said it right at some point. You will not catch him for not saying smart things or having good reads. You need to see how what he is pushing lines up with his thought process and how his tone is. Day1 I gave a list of suspects and shortly after that marv gave the very same list. For someone else I would say this would make them towny but for marv it is normal to have the same reads I have as mafia. It was the same in imperial and in the shadow game (I was obsing there). The reason for this is that he is really good at predicting thread sentiment and generally puts the weak links in his team into his scum lists. He will call them mafia/question them like he did with SL this game and at the same time try to not lynch them if he thinks he can justify it. If marv was town I would expect at least 1-2 reads in the list post which I disagree with or which I do not understand without him elaborating on it. I would expect a marv-y interesting read. He lacks those this game. He is just calling the people he is forced to townread (rayn, palmar) town and sheeps other peoples arguments otherwise.
I get that he has a good read on rayn but this level of confidence this early is too much I think:
On September 15 2015 19:07 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 08:23 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 08:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2015 08:18 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 08:17 Koshi wrote:On September 15 2015 08:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2015 08:14 geript wrote:
I don't get why anyone thinks Damdred is town. I think he is town because his reads align with mine. dnu mafia Damdred might call me town without base. Also I am not sure that I was that townie 5 posts into the game rofl. But maybe Damdred became a genius. I was Koshi who trained him in his first game. Not really but I take the credit. That's like the only read I really agree with. Okay so why do you disagree with: ritoky town rayn town palmar town geript mafia ? My point was that I do not see any strong reason to read those people one way or the other while for Koshi I do. I think Palmar, geript and you are all easily capable of doing what they have done so far as either alignment. yes to first 2, no to #3
It is one of his weaknesses as mafia that he tends to give too strong townreads to people he perceives as really towny because he knows their alignment. It was the same with his harddefense of me in imperial for example.
I also don't like how he literally avoids saying anything about damdred. I get that he would be careful about it due to his track record but normally that should not prevent him from at least giving his opinion. He can put a caveat on it.
Another point against him is how he treats me in general this game. He is not waffling on me like he was last game for example despite not giving me a real townread. Day1 he just says "could be mafia" and gives some sort of caveat that he is leaning town somehow. Example:
On September 16 2015 19:58 marvellosity wrote:some more active/well-known-ish mafia that i don't really know if i want to try to pursue today. jat can be mafia but he kinda seems a little less pissy than i imagine him to be as mafia (and yes you're probs all reading this going "well he IS being pissy" - nonetheless, i think that )
It doesn't feel waffly enough. Normally he either waffles or straight up townreads me. This isn't either.
And most importantly his reaction to when I suddenly called him mafia. I still think that this is very uncharacteristic for a town marv. He just "shrugged" and ignored it until he noticed that this only made things worse and then he immediately felt the need to call me mafia for attacking him which he should know is complete nonsense. I have nothing to gain from attacking townmarv as mafia when he is the only "strong" player that is not scumreading me at that point in time. A townmarv would have most likely called my push on him weird/laughed at it or told me that I know I am wrong or something like this. But this reaction feels way off to me.
Now on to the lynch:
I dislike this post:
On September 17 2015 06:21 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 06:20 ritoky wrote:On September 17 2015 06:19 marvellosity wrote:
hihi, just got home
not sure i have time to catchup, is there stuff i should really be looking at? lynch moosy, lynch jat, shennanie onto onegu who no1 has a read on that's pretty much the current state of the thread. with geript being a distant option. has Wile redeemed himself then? question is for anyone
It feels like he really wants to shift responsibility for not lynching Wile away from himself because he called him scummy earlier. He is begging for other people to tell him not to lynch Wile and I guess he can expect them to considering how the state of the thread was at that point in time. Since there weren't many votes on Wile this question is pretty redundant if he is town.
When damdreds delivers his (bad) reason this is how he reacts:
On September 17 2015 06:27 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 06:25 Damdred wrote:On September 17 2015 06:23 marvellosity wrote:On September 17 2015 06:22 Damdred wrote:On September 17 2015 06:21 marvellosity wrote:On September 17 2015 06:20 ritoky wrote:On September 17 2015 06:19 marvellosity wrote:
hihi, just got home
not sure i have time to catchup, is there stuff i should really be looking at? lynch moosy, lynch jat, shennanie onto onegu who no1 has a read on that's pretty much the current state of the thread. with geript being a distant option. has Wile redeemed himself then? question is for anyone yes he did something I think was super towny being? He was doing catch up posts where he was commenting as he was coming. And he came to a moosey post and it felt like a ah ha moment where it felt like he had caught moosey in something then mildly dissapointed that others had picked up on it. It just felt super towny yes ok, not sure about super towny but i'm definitely getting it. hrmph
He accepts it because it is what he wanted but he is not completely agreeing. Probably because he knows it is wrong.
He says he did not know the deadline was at :30 instead of :00 and I absolutely believe him regardless of his alignment. I didn't either. Sadly this makes it hard to interpret his last minute vote. If he is town it makes sense to vote for moosy if he just read my filter and thought it was towny. On the other hand he had just said as much and could not justify still voting me as mafia because of it:
On September 17 2015 06:29 marvellosity wrote:
i don't think i want to lynch jat... reading the last posts in his filter. it's not a massive amount of content but it's very focused and to the point in the words he used.
The result is that he voted for a lynch he did not believe in and which should not have happened at all. If he lynched Moosy who he said was not his prefered lynch earlier and who many of his townreads said was not a good lynch over myself who was potential mafia in his eyes then his dive into my filter should have given him at least a moderate townread on me. As far as the lynch is concerned that doesn't tell us anything but it is a thing to keep in mind for later.
This is confirmed by the way he treats me later when I start contributing more night1. He is clearly onboard with rayns townread on me and my points against damdred. Proof:
On September 17 2015 18:52 marvellosity wrote:do i have to think about him? literally the reason i stopped trying to read him is i kept finding everything he did scummy no matter his alignment :<
i'm prone to agree with jat's 'guilty conscience' type point.was just reading through damdy's filter in relation to rayn's post Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 10:27 Damdred wrote:
Koshi is really town here like id be impressed if this is scum game koshi.
Geript has a few posts that give me a small amount of pause that he could potentially be town like his moosey read is something that he would do when he's town. But he just is lacking some form of curiosity he might has here.
That being said that one read on moosey really has me doubting my scum read currently. It just looks so towny of him to do.
The more I think about it the more I want to town read him and I defdinately don't want to lynch him now... I remember liking this post at the time, not even because it actually has content, but because it seems a really natural way of flipping on a read as he was posting/thinking. it would be a very ballsy and weird way to deal with your partner (if we assume a bus situation, which is one of the ways the post would make sense) because he'd go from scumreading geript for some things -> turning it around in one post, i don't even know why you'd ever go about it like this
On September 17 2015 18:52 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 18:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 17 2015 18:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Like, why does he think he "needs protection" against me if I am obvious mafia like he claims? Hmmm okat that makes sense rofl. yeah it does
On September 18 2015 00:43 marvellosity wrote:
kinda annoying that Damdred hiphopped away.
He keeps bringing up the post he townread damdred for while all of this is happening but he also says this about it:
On September 17 2015 19:10 marvellosity wrote:
maybe i'm reading too much into one post.
So you would assume he would rather lynch damdred than me, right? But no, once the claims happen he prefers lynching me and damdred is suddenly town for townreading geript which he had done long before the claims happened. That's a really really bad reason to townread someone. I also think a townmarv should realize that I would not out or push Wile like I did as his mafia buddy.
I also dislike how he tried to discredit Palmars and my read on him and acted like geripts/rayns read on him were more important when in reality those 2 are wrong about him all the fucking time.
On September 18 2015 19:34 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 19:32 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 19:31 marvellosity wrote:On September 18 2015 19:31 justanothertownie wrote:
There is nothing dull about it. Just do it and if you are town you will see how true it is. all this "and if you are town" while trying to self-clear just makes you look worse, my dear. but do carry on And why would that be? Are you saying you are obvious town? Because when Palmar and me are both saying you could be mafia you probably aren't. Palmar would very often be hedging on me at this point, and it looks like you're at the least being bad i was practically confirmed town to rayn and geript who also knows me very well is confident i am town your arguments are silly.
He knows that this is bullshit.
I do not get the feeling that he has tried to figure out the game since the claims happened at all. Of course you can say there is a lot of time where he can still do that and he isn't here for the weekend but he lacks any kind of curiosity/interest in solving a game that should be really easy to solve from his pov. It feels like he is slowly trending from the LHF cephiro towards lynching me who he apparently was leaning town on earlier. Where did the lean go? Noone knows.
In general I am pretty good at reading his tone when he is town. I never got that feeling this game. He is more reserved/less interesting than he usually is when he is town. Although he was present for long periods of time it doesn't feel like he had any real impact on this game during that time. There is something seriously wrong if I am not townreading him this far into the game and I am just not which is why we should probably wagon him today.
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That big wall on marv probably seems way more confident than I actually am about that read btw. I just think those are enough reasons to doubt him and since a lot in this game depends on his alignment we should really try to figure him out asap.
I am still waiting for ritokys read on damdred. If he comes to the conclusion that damdred is mafia we can lynch him instead. If he doesn't we should try to lynch marv and see what happens. We can always lynch Cephiro if we are in doubt but pushing him will probably not tell us anything.
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On September 20 2015 08:11 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 07:02 justanothertownie wrote:On September 20 2015 06:58 geript wrote:
So I've been thinking about it. And there's definitely at least 1 mafia voting for Wile. We should probably find out who that is. My guess is that it's probably not the claimed vigilante. I also don't think it's Koshi. It'd be really cool if it were Scott, that's be a really sweet play; but I doubt it.
So I'm pretty sure we just lynch JAT. Feel free to explain your stance at any point. Well it's between you and Cephiro; I found a video of Cephiro doing some porn and his cock was pretty average sized. So pretty clearly it must be you. Plus, I think you're talking to compensate for other inadequacies.
Repeating the same joke over and over and over does not make it better. It's starting to get really boring :/
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On September 20 2015 08:29 geript wrote:
Well I liked the reasoning re: Ceph's eod 1, and I think everyone else is town. So it sucks to be you hunh?
Then you are wrong and should probably read the game/some filters at some point. Or you are mafia. But I am town and that shouldn't be very hard to see.
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On September 20 2015 06:58 geript wrote:
So I've been thinking about it. And there's definitely at least 1 mafia voting for Wile. We should probably find out who that is. My guess is that it's probably not the claimed vigilante. I also don't think it's Koshi. It'd be really cool if it were Scott, that's be a really sweet play; but I doubt it.
So I'm pretty sure we just lynch JAT.
It's probably pure trolling but if it's not this post is remarkably dumb btw.
Of course we are not lynching the people who are pretty much confirmed but that does not only leave me.
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I am glad that 2 of our confirmed townies aren't doing anything at all while the third one is acting like an imbecile btw.
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On September 20 2015 17:58 ritoky wrote:
Tbh mechanically I should be the one shot tonight since there's literally 0 world where I am mafia ever. But I might live through just cuz some people may respect koshi's town game more or be afraid you're lying about the # of uses of your ability. Probably dead though.
Mafia aren't idiots dude. Thanks for finally putting in the effort.
I don't really see why you think we shouldn't lynch damdred even though you think he is more than likely mafia. I get that you say he might be with Onegu due to his weird read progression there but that is pretty speculative to me. We still have at least 1 mislynch left so we should just lynch who is the likeliest scum.
Btw. what exactly do you want me to summarize or consolidate? I said where I stand in my big post.
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On September 20 2015 16:07 ritoky wrote:
if damdred is mafia, he is mafia with palmar or geript.
You might have wrote it somewhere but why can't he be mafia with marv? I have a hard time seeing a world where Palmar is mafia and marv town.
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On September 20 2015 18:43 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 18:31 justanothertownie wrote:On September 20 2015 16:07 ritoky wrote:
if damdred is mafia, he is mafia with palmar or geript. You might have wrote it somewhere but why can't he be mafia with marv? I have a hard time seeing a world where Palmar is mafia and marv town. damdred like to do this thing i like to do as mafia where you either completely ignore your partner or you give reads on your partner bus never really press them. he is doing that mostly with palmar and geript i think.
Hm, okay... because marvs read progression on damdred could be mafia/mafia to me.
Really doubt damdred is with Palmar unless marv really sucks this game.
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On September 20 2015 19:10 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 18:49 justanothertownie wrote:On September 20 2015 18:43 ritoky wrote:On September 20 2015 18:31 justanothertownie wrote:On September 20 2015 16:07 ritoky wrote:
if damdred is mafia, he is mafia with palmar or geript. You might have wrote it somewhere but why can't he be mafia with marv? I have a hard time seeing a world where Palmar is mafia and marv town. damdred like to do this thing i like to do as mafia where you either completely ignore your partner or you give reads on your partner bus never really press them. he is doing that mostly with palmar and geript i think. Hm, okay... because marvs read progression on damdred could be mafia/mafia to me. Really doubt damdred is with Palmar unless marv really sucks this game. is this in your filter? or can you splain it to me?
It's in my filter. Should be all in that big post I made yesterday.
Short version:
Marv tends to be right about Palmar. It is one of the best/most consistent reads there is on TL. He confidently said Palmar is town when I asked him to take a stance. So Marv is either mafia with Palmar or Palmar is town.
The damdred thing: Marv did not want to lynch me and was ok with rayns townread one me/my push on damdred. But later when the claims happen he suddenly does not want to lynch damdred for really weak reasons and wants to kill me instead.
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On September 20 2015 19:25 ritoky wrote:
list of unlikely worlds of 2:
damdred + jat - damdred non-stop pushing jat all day 1 even when things were cooling down (damdred and gb once did this to eachother so outside of range, but unlikely due to nature of pushing)
cephiro + marv - marv non-stop refusing to let me town read ceph or taking him off the table for tmrw and calling my reason shit constantly.
palmar + geript - palmar called geript out on his tone shift when no1 else seemed to care.
1) Obviously.
2) I would be inclined to agree. Especially since if marv is with cephiro - why would he still try at all? Bussing cephiro here also guarantees a mafia loss.
3) Agreed, but only for my marv/palmar reasoning. I do not think your reason is very good.
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On September 20 2015 19:31 ritoky wrote:
I kinda think marv and cephiro are like almost always opposite alignments.
Unless it is geript and damdred.
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Impossible. Remember dat 3/3 JAT scumtell?
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lol, this has to be a troll kill
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Like mafia cannot be this stupid and believe you only have one shot, can they?
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On September 21 2015 06:37 ritoky wrote:
the disrespect on scott is strong. i was like 80% certain he was lying about the # of uses of his abilities.
world of 1 damdred not possible now.....bleh he might actually end up being town and i might have just been wrong all game.
Of course it is still possible. Onegu could have been janitor and damdred GF. This result does not make damdred anything.
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He can be GF and he can still be with someone else.
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On September 21 2015 06:40 geript wrote:
I stalked JAT last night. Turns out he uses a penis pump. Can we all admit that's pretty scummy? Yes I believe so. Plus, there's the penis size to mafianess proven correlation.
Very creative and convincing.
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On September 21 2015 06:42 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2015 06:41 justanothertownie wrote:On September 21 2015 06:40 geript wrote:
I stalked JAT last night. Turns out he uses a penis pump. Can we all admit that's pretty scummy? Yes I believe so. Plus, there's the penis size to mafianess proven correlation. Very creative and convincing. You should vote for yourself then since it's so convincing.
You should maybe start playing the game at some point if you are town.
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On September 21 2015 06:43 Koshi wrote:![[image loading]](http://www.manbook.biz/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/z01_respect_is_Earned_not_given_01.png)
Whoever made that kill should be punished for feeding your ego. That's a pretty serious crime.
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On September 21 2015 06:47 ritoky wrote:
like...koshi dying in 1 sense points to jat as mafia in that scott and i both read jat townier and he was on koshi's 3 person lynch list....but in another sense jat i kinda think he isn't lying when he says he asked if it was a troll kill cuz i was also pretty sure scott wasn't 1shot ability....and does jat really miss my soft and the fuck up killing scott there both in the same game? he's derp but that's pretty derp for him.
There is no world I am ever killing anyone but scott as scum unless scott is mafia with me.
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And Koshi dying does not point to shit. He wanted to lynch marv/palmar anyways.
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The only thing interesting about this nightkill is that scott did NOT die.
1) scott could be mafia but I think that's unlikely and I will most definitely give him another night before I entertain any kind of tin-foil world
2) mafia was not afraid of a tracker - the question is why? Probably because they have a GF and therefore the tracker is useless.
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So the thing to take out of it is that the track on damdred does not mean anything at all.
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On September 21 2015 06:55 scott31337 wrote:
So shall we get the Marv wagon rolling then?
Or do you have a better suggestion?
Either that or damdred. I am fine with both.
I am more convinced about damdred but we need to deal with marv sooner rather than later.
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On September 21 2015 06:58 ritoky wrote:
jat have your reads changed at all? i am assuming not really since literally only confirmed townies and you have posted.
Nope. Your read on damdred has reinforced my scumread on him. That's basically it.
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On September 21 2015 07:00 Damdred wrote:
You both are dumb and bad.
^
You are supposed to call me mafia instead bro.
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On September 21 2015 07:13 geript wrote:
I don't get it. I've made reads pretty clearly. Palmar is town. Marv is town. Damdred is town. Ceph is kinda likely-ish to be town. Scott is 98% town. Koshi is dead but town. Like there's not much that has changed. So everyone calling me scum can kindly drop to your knees and do your duty.
Like I'm not scum. Theres like a million good reasons for why I'm not scum.
If you are town you are being wrong, bad and useless right now.
1) I can guarantee you that depending on the amount of alive mafia 2-3 reads of yours are wrong. So you are actively being shit.
2) Without any reasoning you aren't convincing anyone anyways.
On September 21 2015 07:14 ritoky wrote:
like seriously, how am i supposed to read any1 but jat town out of you lot recently?
none of you are dying during the night phase and out of the 6 of you only 2 posted over the course of 24 hours. 1 of which is geript who said literal nothing with his posts. like some of you have to be town who are just fucking off. you're supposed to be vets, you're supposed to be respected players, you're supposed to be good. well fucking step it up if you're town.
This is only really true for geript since he was evidently around and chose to do nothing. Maybe also Cephiro to an extent. Damdred, Palmar and marv had excuses for the weekend.
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On September 21 2015 07:18 Damdred wrote:
2) Your an idiot ritoky because you are lynching someone with what amounts to a green check at this point. When you just got done getting lynched in another game with a green check on you.
I just proved why this "check" is completely meaningless.
If scott is mafia it's not a real check.
If scott is town mafia is not afraid of a tracker so there has to be a GF who will always be the one carrying out the NK.
The check is useless.
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I have nothing to add before the other "unconfirmeds" are doing anything. It's still between marv and damdred for me.
Even though geript is really starting to earn dem scumpoints recently.
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On September 21 2015 07:51 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2015 07:16 ritoky wrote:On September 21 2015 07:13 geript wrote:
I don't get it. I've made reads pretty clearly. Palmar is town. Marv is town. Damdred is town. Ceph is kinda likely-ish to be town. Scott is 98% town. Koshi is dead but town. Like there's not much that has changed. So everyone calling me scum can kindly drop to your knees and do your duty.
Like I'm not scum. Theres like a million good reasons for why I'm not scum. i'll take 3 of those million. lay em on me. so who's mafia? onegu? Yah probably Onegu was. Mod confirm. The D1 Damdred read. My flip on Palmar. My bad Rayn tunnel. General giving no shits after like N1. Me voting for Wile for a god awful reason. Like I'll do most anything as either alignment but I think the major difference between my scum play and town play is when I'm scum I need to be in control of the thread. That doesn't mean everyone has to sheep me, but I don't like being "at town's whim." I don't like trying to let town ever organize. I prefer to wholly disrupt any and all ability to trust anyone but me. I'll spend time to focus people on reasonable but useless rabbit trails. I bank up thread control to spend it at key points. That's basically the opposite of, for the most part, irrelevant player I've been. Even when I'm busy scum I do my best to positively contribute to the team.
If you are town you have a team too, you know? Time to start doing the bolded.
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On September 21 2015 13:14 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2015 07:53 justanothertownie wrote:On September 21 2015 07:51 geript wrote:On September 21 2015 07:16 ritoky wrote:On September 21 2015 07:13 geript wrote:
I don't get it. I've made reads pretty clearly. Palmar is town. Marv is town. Damdred is town. Ceph is kinda likely-ish to be town. Scott is 98% town. Koshi is dead but town. Like there's not much that has changed. So everyone calling me scum can kindly drop to your knees and do your duty.
Like I'm not scum. Theres like a million good reasons for why I'm not scum. i'll take 3 of those million. lay em on me. so who's mafia? onegu? Yah probably Onegu was. Mod confirm. The D1 Damdred read. My flip on Palmar. My bad Rayn tunnel. General giving no shits after like N1. Me voting for Wile for a god awful reason. Like I'll do most anything as either alignment but I think the major difference between my scum play and town play is when I'm scum I need to be in control of the thread. That doesn't mean everyone has to sheep me, but I don't like being "at town's whim." I don't like trying to let town ever organize. I prefer to wholly disrupt any and all ability to trust anyone but me. I'll spend time to focus people on reasonable but useless rabbit trails. I bank up thread control to spend it at key points. That's basically the opposite of, for the most part, irrelevant player I've been. Even when I'm busy scum I do my best to positively contribute to the team. If you are town you have a team too, you know? Time to start doing the bolded. I'm doing the best I can with the time I can allot to this game.
The best you can is not very good then because if it isn't you then you are literally townreading all the remaining mafia. Time to rethink.
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So what we should be doing is this I guess:
##Vote: marvellosity
If he is shitting townie rainbows when he returns we can switch to damdred but it doesn't feel like voting that guy right now really achieves anything.
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Awesome timing.
You are confirmed mafia. Koshi said you are scum and he would vote you.
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On September 21 2015 18:44 Palmar wrote:
So I'm not sure what to do here. Here's some generic thoughts.
scott won't get lynched this game, I think. Yes I know he's a replacement and replacements are always mafia. The problem is we don't know how many mislynches we have. Scott needs to continue posting if he's town because there definitely exists a scenario where he buses a teammate (although vigi+mason+mason seems kinda weak).
Another thing. I didn't mention this last night or yesterday or whenever I was berating JAT and geript for not reading the OP, but I do not really see any option for a limited-shot tracker. (look at the difference in wording between the vigi and all the "each night" roles). if scott is tracker he has unlimited shots. This means either mafia wasn't aware of this, or (probably more likely) they're not afraid of a tracker at all (ie: they have a godfather). Or obviously, that scott is actually just mafia. But I have no interest in sorting out tinfoil hat scenarios, at least not now, so I'm treating him as confirmed town. Props to him/his team if it's a play.
If we assume Onegu is mafia, Damdred can only be mafia if he is a godfather. But more importantly I don't want to lynch Damdred. I still believe the points I brought up on him make him town. I don't even care that wile eventually flipped mafia. Damdred's point about wile was a townie train of thought from Damdred. Like I know there exist multiple mechanical scenarios where Damdred is mafia but who cares, he doesn't sound like one.
I'm going to read Damdred's filter later because so many people seem to think he's likely scum but for now meh.
ritoky is obviously confirmed, mafia has no option for a vigilante.
This leaves ceph/marv/jat/geript. All of them have good reasons to be called mafia. I almost feel like this game is "figure out jat or marv (one way or the other), figure out the game".
Wow, good thing we have you to tell us what's up. It's not like I already said all of this.
The setup is most likely tracker/vigi/masons vs GF/janitor/rb and yes, we do not need to worry about scott before LYLO as far as I am concerned and even then I do not think he is mafia.
You will have to explain this damdred read because I do not see it at all.
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On September 21 2015 18:45 Palmar wrote:
Like I'm not gonna argue about the damdred thing unless people get actually close to lynching him.
It's a super daunting task to read marv and jat's filter. Like there's probably no people (well holyflare is up there) whose filter I despise reading more than those two.
Then I'll advise you to start with marv. It is shorter and more likely mafia.
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On September 21 2015 18:51 Palmar wrote:About the geript thing and why it bothers me so much. I like geript, and I think he's a nice, reasonable guy. In order for him to blow up on ceph like that because of real life stress, he has to be far more emotional than I think he is. Like I talk to geript on ts, play with him here and stuff, and it's just way out of his character range. Like if geript was really (and I believe he was) stressed out by his rl, the attitude I would have thought he brought to the game is more in the lieu of: "dude.... please. Just back the fuck off. rl is shit and I don't have the willpower to argue with your shit right now so just stop it please" Instead of the caps lock (it was caps, right?) tirade he went on. Maybe I just don't know geript. But it seemed excessive. Also, this: Show nested quote +On September 21 2015 13:14 geript wrote:On September 21 2015 07:53 justanothertownie wrote:On September 21 2015 07:51 geript wrote:On September 21 2015 07:16 ritoky wrote:On September 21 2015 07:13 geript wrote:
I don't get it. I've made reads pretty clearly. Palmar is town. Marv is town. Damdred is town. Ceph is kinda likely-ish to be town. Scott is 98% town. Koshi is dead but town. Like there's not much that has changed. So everyone calling me scum can kindly drop to your knees and do your duty.
Like I'm not scum. Theres like a million good reasons for why I'm not scum. i'll take 3 of those million. lay em on me. so who's mafia? onegu? Yah probably Onegu was. Mod confirm. The D1 Damdred read. My flip on Palmar. My bad Rayn tunnel. General giving no shits after like N1. Me voting for Wile for a god awful reason. Like I'll do most anything as either alignment but I think the major difference between my scum play and town play is when I'm scum I need to be in control of the thread. That doesn't mean everyone has to sheep me, but I don't like being "at town's whim." I don't like trying to let town ever organize. I prefer to wholly disrupt any and all ability to trust anyone but me. I'll spend time to focus people on reasonable but useless rabbit trails. I bank up thread control to spend it at key points. That's basically the opposite of, for the most part, irrelevant player I've been. Even when I'm busy scum I do my best to positively contribute to the team. If you are town you have a team too, you know? Time to start doing the bolded. I'm doing the best I can with the time I can allot to this game. Is kinda not true, but it's also not a thing that makes him mafia to think. I'm mostly pointing out that he's being extremely useless if he's town. Not that it makes him 100% mafia.
u srs?
You would not expect geript to blow up? He has done it countless times.
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On September 21 2015 18:52 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2015 18:48 justanothertownie wrote:On September 21 2015 18:44 Palmar wrote:
So I'm not sure what to do here. Here's some generic thoughts.
scott won't get lynched this game, I think. Yes I know he's a replacement and replacements are always mafia. The problem is we don't know how many mislynches we have. Scott needs to continue posting if he's town because there definitely exists a scenario where he buses a teammate (although vigi+mason+mason seems kinda weak).
Another thing. I didn't mention this last night or yesterday or whenever I was berating JAT and geript for not reading the OP, but I do not really see any option for a limited-shot tracker. (look at the difference in wording between the vigi and all the "each night" roles). if scott is tracker he has unlimited shots. This means either mafia wasn't aware of this, or (probably more likely) they're not afraid of a tracker at all (ie: they have a godfather). Or obviously, that scott is actually just mafia. But I have no interest in sorting out tinfoil hat scenarios, at least not now, so I'm treating him as confirmed town. Props to him/his team if it's a play.
If we assume Onegu is mafia, Damdred can only be mafia if he is a godfather. But more importantly I don't want to lynch Damdred. I still believe the points I brought up on him make him town. I don't even care that wile eventually flipped mafia. Damdred's point about wile was a townie train of thought from Damdred. Like I know there exist multiple mechanical scenarios where Damdred is mafia but who cares, he doesn't sound like one.
I'm going to read Damdred's filter later because so many people seem to think he's likely scum but for now meh.
ritoky is obviously confirmed, mafia has no option for a vigilante.
This leaves ceph/marv/jat/geript. All of them have good reasons to be called mafia. I almost feel like this game is "figure out jat or marv (one way or the other), figure out the game".
Wow, good thing we have you to tell us what's up. It's not like I already said all of this. The setup is most likely tracker/vigi/masons vs GF/janitor/rb and yes, we do not need to worry about scott before LYLO as far as I am concerned and even then I do not think he is mafia. You will have to explain this damdred read because I do not see it at all. Who cares about damdred, you want to lynch marv, right?
I want to lynch between marv and damdred. I think I made that very clear.
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On September 21 2015 18:54 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2015 18:53 justanothertownie wrote:On September 21 2015 18:52 Palmar wrote:On September 21 2015 18:48 justanothertownie wrote:On September 21 2015 18:44 Palmar wrote:
So I'm not sure what to do here. Here's some generic thoughts.
scott won't get lynched this game, I think. Yes I know he's a replacement and replacements are always mafia. The problem is we don't know how many mislynches we have. Scott needs to continue posting if he's town because there definitely exists a scenario where he buses a teammate (although vigi+mason+mason seems kinda weak).
Another thing. I didn't mention this last night or yesterday or whenever I was berating JAT and geript for not reading the OP, but I do not really see any option for a limited-shot tracker. (look at the difference in wording between the vigi and all the "each night" roles). if scott is tracker he has unlimited shots. This means either mafia wasn't aware of this, or (probably more likely) they're not afraid of a tracker at all (ie: they have a godfather). Or obviously, that scott is actually just mafia. But I have no interest in sorting out tinfoil hat scenarios, at least not now, so I'm treating him as confirmed town. Props to him/his team if it's a play.
If we assume Onegu is mafia, Damdred can only be mafia if he is a godfather. But more importantly I don't want to lynch Damdred. I still believe the points I brought up on him make him town. I don't even care that wile eventually flipped mafia. Damdred's point about wile was a townie train of thought from Damdred. Like I know there exist multiple mechanical scenarios where Damdred is mafia but who cares, he doesn't sound like one.
I'm going to read Damdred's filter later because so many people seem to think he's likely scum but for now meh.
ritoky is obviously confirmed, mafia has no option for a vigilante.
This leaves ceph/marv/jat/geript. All of them have good reasons to be called mafia. I almost feel like this game is "figure out jat or marv (one way or the other), figure out the game".
Wow, good thing we have you to tell us what's up. It's not like I already said all of this. The setup is most likely tracker/vigi/masons vs GF/janitor/rb and yes, we do not need to worry about scott before LYLO as far as I am concerned and even then I do not think he is mafia. You will have to explain this damdred read because I do not see it at all. Who cares about damdred, you want to lynch marv, right? I want to lynch between marv and damdred. I think I made that very clear. pick one.
I don't need to pick one before they do stuff. My thoughts are all in the thread for you to read.
The way to go is push marv today until he either proves his innocence or dies. If the former happens lynch damdred.
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Marv might be slow today but considering the fact that only a few pages have been written since he was gone I would have expected him to post something by now. Or even comment on me and palmar voting him.
This is the lynch.
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On September 21 2015 21:01 Palmar wrote:
if marv is mafia his #1 scumplay is to just shut up and not post.
Can't tell if joking or not.
Yes, if he sees no possibility of avoiding the lynch I can see him just shutting up.
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On September 21 2015 21:04 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2015 21:02 justanothertownie wrote:On September 21 2015 21:01 Palmar wrote:
if marv is mafia his #1 scumplay is to just shut up and not post. Can't tell if joking or not. Yes, if he sees no possibility of avoiding the lynch I can see him just shutting up. Silly. Of course i can avoid the lynch. i've not started reading yet. i'm not sure you quite grasp my mental state right this moment :p
I'm not sure either.
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On September 21 2015 21:08 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2015 21:05 justanothertownie wrote:On September 21 2015 21:04 marvellosity wrote:On September 21 2015 21:02 justanothertownie wrote:On September 21 2015 21:01 Palmar wrote:
if marv is mafia his #1 scumplay is to just shut up and not post. Can't tell if joking or not. Yes, if he sees no possibility of avoiding the lynch I can see him just shutting up. Silly. Of course i can avoid the lynch. i've not started reading yet. i'm not sure you quite grasp my mental state right this moment :p I'm not sure either. imagine a marv who has slept for about 7 hours over the course of 3 nights, in the kitchen making a tuna sandwich this morning marv opens the tin of tuna, puts it in a bowl. marv stands there confused. marv on autopilot goes and opens another tin of tuna, and goes to put it in the bowl and sees there is already tuna in there. #win
lol
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On September 21 2015 22:57 geript wrote:
I bet his weekend was better than mine. My ex canceled so I ended up watching football and running two D&D games. It was slightly disconcerting.
Also, I don't get why Palmar thinks it's even possible for me to be mafia. It's exceptionally frustrating and makes me want to spite lynch him. But I really think he's town. Y U NO TOWNBRO WIT ME PLAMMAR??????
So far orientation has been pretty boring. Just random tax and money stuff. I think I'll have to talk to HR because I thought I was supposed to get a shift differential for second but they didn't include it.
I am somehow starting to get the feeling you know you won't get anybody lynched with your arguments and are fine with it.
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On September 22 2015 00:30 Palmar wrote:
Like I don't know if jat is mafia, he could be, there are things that make it plausible, but there's also things that look kinda townie (actually less things and more just his general around-y-ness and playing-ness).
There are a lot of things that make me towny and 0 things that make it plausible I am mafia. Except for the confirmed townies I was basically the only one who gave the slightest fuck about this game for the last couple of days for example. If you disagree with any of the content I produced then say it. If you don't then stop indirectly discrediting me.
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Since when is the great Palmar afraid of arguing with me or calling me mafia? That's new.
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On September 22 2015 00:50 Palmar wrote:
jat promptly enters the thread and shows why I don't want to argue with him.
Like there exists a world where marv is just mafia and the game ends today, and it's not worth my time or energy to argue with you if you end up just being town.
The "0 things that make it plausible I am mafia" is just plain wrong and part of the hyperbole you've been pushing all game. I'm not sure it makes you mafia and it feels like the right thing to do to spare myself the pain of arguing with you unless I actually think you are mafia and I intend to lynch you. Currently I want to lynch marv more and he seems to be doing the "go quietly down" thing that he sometimes does. So let's just roll with that for now!
We will absolutely roll with that but if you don't want to argue with me you probably shouldn't call me possible mafia and deliver no reasons for thinking this while completely ignoring the shitload of content I produced by now. The "0 reasons" is no hyperbole. I am not mafia therefore there is nothing that makes me mafia. Earlier in the game you said you would be able to read me when it is time. Well, it IS time and I have done more than enough towny shit for you to be able to read me.
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But sure, more useful things you could do:
1) Give detailed opinions on cephiro and geript.
2) Explain your weird damdred read.
3) Comment on my post about marv.
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Btw. I don't know why you think the game would end today if marv is going down as mafia.
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On September 22 2015 01:01 Damdred wrote:
Obviously oneg would be mafia in that world?
Yes, the point is why Palmar thinks that this is more likely.
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Because I think marv would probably have conceded with the Wile lynch if the teams was Wile/Onegu/marv.
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On September 22 2015 01:06 Damdred wrote:
I actually think it is sorta likely that oneg was mafia with the amount of cares and the somewhat resistance to switching to him over town moose.
Though town damdred pushed against that as well so not as iron clad. But I'm pretty sure that's partly palmars reasoning
I don't remember there being much real resistance. He was just completely ignored by everyone which happens when people are not doing anything and known for it as both alignments.
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On September 22 2015 04:47 Palmar wrote:
Good talk boys
Yes.
You could start though.
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On September 22 2015 05:59 geript wrote:
This may sound crazy, but I see no reason to lynch Marv over Jat. TBH the lack of trolly yet serious push from Palmar is making me really reconsider his alignment. I think he's town for a variety of reads, but he's pushing different than I've seen. Plus, usually my early reads are the most accurate and I wasn't sold on Palmar early how I was on other people.
Well, someone has to carry the retard torch for Koshi I guess.
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On September 22 2015 06:02 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2015 05:59 geript wrote:
This may sound crazy, but I see no reason to lynch Marv over Jat. TBH the lack of trolly yet serious push from Palmar is making me really reconsider his alignment. I think he's town for a variety of reads, but he's pushing different than I've seen. Plus, usually my early reads are the most accurate and I wasn't sold on Palmar early how I was on other people. Well, someone has to carry the retard torch for Koshi I guess.
^
Probably not the appropriate choice of word, sorry. But you get the idea.
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On September 22 2015 06:11 Palmar wrote:
You could've just said "Someone has to carry koshi's torch" and everyone would have gotten it.
Yeah, probably :/
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On September 22 2015 06:13 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2015 06:11 scott31337 wrote:Hey, I think Koshi did quite well, and has had a change of light with his hiatus to change himself. Koshi is the biggest pain in the ass to play with. He bites an idea for no good reason and just runs with it. It's fantastic when he's right on mafia but it's absolutely the worst when you're the recipient of his tunnel. It's like a palmar tunnel but 200% more stubborn and retarded.
Tell me about it.
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I have no idea where that comes from suddenly but you would be correct.
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Rayn was HARD townreading me.
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On September 22 2015 06:24 Palmar wrote:
4) I got a weird feeling from the way you talked about me possibly being mafia if marv flips mafia. I know that it's essentially correct but I always felt your stance was "Palmar is likely mafia if marv is mafia" and not "Palmar can be mafia, but isn't really likely to be even if marv flips mafia". This goes back to my #dreamteam theory (that was semi-serious at the time).
We had point 1-3) anyways. But this is just not the case. If marv flips mafia you are on the table again but I distinctly remember saying you were pretty towny anyways.
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Well, I don't mind the afk over the weekend. But I do mind the afk today.
He was in a fight with me because I suddenly called him mafia day1 (and he reacted in a really unmarvlike way) but nobody liked what I said or wanted to even entertain lynching marv so I dropped it since I had to leave way before deadline anyways.
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On September 22 2015 06:51 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2015 06:24 Palmar wrote:
Like here's (off the top of my head, not researched or designed to be particularly valid) points I was talking about earlier that could possibly make you mafia (please don't argue with them as I'm not going to argue for them).
1) the background-y-ness on day 1 really sticks with me. I feel like I was in more than a couple of conversations where your entire role in the conversation was to just chirp in at random times with something relatively pointless.
2) The strong opposition to damdred's read on wile and refusal to count it as a point in damdred's favour (even if it was wrong, it was a good observation)
3) The "blow things out of proportion" thing. I wrote the post where you called something that was just a difference in understanding a blatant lie, someone else called you out on something similar on day 2, and you did it once again today (I can't remember the context, but I mentioned it). Like you've been SUPER aggressive about shutting down ideas that involve you being mafia this game
4) I got a weird feeling from the way you talked about me possibly being mafia if marv flips mafia. I know that it's essentially correct but I always felt your stance was "Palmar is likely mafia if marv is mafia" and not "Palmar can be mafia, but isn't really likely to be even if marv flips mafia". This goes back to my #dreamteam theory (that was semi-serious at the time). I don't see how any of this makes him town whatsoever. Show nested quote +On September 22 2015 06:26 justanothertownie wrote:
Rayn was HARD townreading me. And he was hard townreading Marv and hard scumreading me. So what?
I see you are also carrying the "missing the point" torch.
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I had the same thought about an hour ago.
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On September 22 2015 07:03 geript wrote:Just some of the Rayn "townreads" on JAT Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 19:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2015 18:57 Palmar wrote:
I feel like JAT has basically been a non-entity this game. Maybe I should tunnel him to see what happens. I agree with this, especially lately. but i think its too early to tell. Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 19:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi; Palmar is almost definitely town. I somewhat agree with you on JAT but you are wrong on Palmar. Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 20:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2015 20:40 marvellosity wrote:On September 15 2015 20:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not saying he should be a clean townread for you.
I am saying he should not be a scumread for you because he does things you think are more likely to come from town!geript than mafia!geript (unless you ofc prove where i am wrong, which you havent done). not sure if it helps, but from my perspective: 1) geript is more calculated as mafia 2) geript did something scummy 3) the thing was scummy enough that 2 to an extent trumps 1 or to put it another way maybe, most nonsense/all-over-the-placeness isn't scummy well for me it isn't, because i can't understand how someone makes the posts geript did. i also have no idea how jat comes to the conclusions he does. i also have no idea why he feels the need to "defend" geript or what the fuck ever he was doing if "it doesn't matter" in the end anyways?!?!? Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 20:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:Like here is what jat said: "I think rayn's case looks good on paper because yes, geript is being irrational and not-sense-making. Therefore i do not think it makes him mafia. Here is why; I think when geript is mafia he is calculated and makes sense, when he is town he is irrational and not-sense-making most of the time. But i still scumread him because i have no reason to townread him." jesus fucking christ Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Not really, jat on the other hand is still not doing shit and apparently is not doing shit for the rest of the phase... Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 22:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am talking about the start of the game and the jat thing fits into his scum!character.
The way he processes information and what he lays out is scummy as fuck. Like yes, i know he is irrational at times and does weird stuff but this is just plain out scummy. Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I know that was geript but why does he like "approve" geript's question if he doesn't think marv should do that.
Like saying "you were wrong on him remember" is basically saying "listen to geript here" which makes no sense if jat thinks i am town. The post just doesn't make any sense if jat thinks i am not mafia. Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Honestly i have no fucking idea what jat is doing in this game.
Almost nothing he does makes any sense to me. Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 17 2015 00:18 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I'm really not confident about a JAT lynch if it's based mostly off of meta like Damdred says. :/ Is there anything else more solid that I missed? He is doing nothing and his vote is on my top townread. Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 04:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
like i am waffling between jat/damdred/cephiro.
and i don't think cephiro is the scummiest of those people. there is 3 mafia soo....... By the end of the night, Rayn ends up town on JAT, but I'm pretty sure Rayn reads Marv as town far FAR more than he reads Jat as Mafia. Plus, the Rayn townread on JAT seems mostly based on me being mafia which is wrong. So I literally give zero fucks about Rayn's townread on JAT. Some of his points for scumreads are pretty interesting, because mafia tends to townread me and whiteknight me for really bad reasons which has been rather different from how Damdred townread me.
Rayns townread on me had absolutely nothing to do with you. I habe no idea how you come up with this shit.
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On September 22 2015 07:23 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2015 07:05 justanothertownie wrote:On September 22 2015 07:03 geript wrote:Just some of the Rayn "townreads" on JAT On September 15 2015 19:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2015 18:57 Palmar wrote:
I feel like JAT has basically been a non-entity this game. Maybe I should tunnel him to see what happens. I agree with this, especially lately. but i think its too early to tell. On September 15 2015 19:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi; Palmar is almost definitely town. I somewhat agree with you on JAT but you are wrong on Palmar. On September 15 2015 20:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2015 20:40 marvellosity wrote:On September 15 2015 20:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not saying he should be a clean townread for you.
I am saying he should not be a scumread for you because he does things you think are more likely to come from town!geript than mafia!geript (unless you ofc prove where i am wrong, which you havent done). not sure if it helps, but from my perspective: 1) geript is more calculated as mafia 2) geript did something scummy 3) the thing was scummy enough that 2 to an extent trumps 1 or to put it another way maybe, most nonsense/all-over-the-placeness isn't scummy well for me it isn't, because i can't understand how someone makes the posts geript did. i also have no idea how jat comes to the conclusions he does. i also have no idea why he feels the need to "defend" geript or what the fuck ever he was doing if "it doesn't matter" in the end anyways?!?!? On September 15 2015 20:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:Like here is what jat said: "I think rayn's case looks good on paper because yes, geript is being irrational and not-sense-making. Therefore i do not think it makes him mafia. Here is why; I think when geript is mafia he is calculated and makes sense, when he is town he is irrational and not-sense-making most of the time. But i still scumread him because i have no reason to townread him." jesus fucking christ On September 16 2015 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Not really, jat on the other hand is still not doing shit and apparently is not doing shit for the rest of the phase... On September 16 2015 22:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am talking about the start of the game and the jat thing fits into his scum!character.
The way he processes information and what he lays out is scummy as fuck. Like yes, i know he is irrational at times and does weird stuff but this is just plain out scummy. On September 17 2015 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I know that was geript but why does he like "approve" geript's question if he doesn't think marv should do that.
Like saying "you were wrong on him remember" is basically saying "listen to geript here" which makes no sense if jat thinks i am town. The post just doesn't make any sense if jat thinks i am not mafia. On September 17 2015 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Honestly i have no fucking idea what jat is doing in this game.
Almost nothing he does makes any sense to me. On September 17 2015 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 17 2015 00:18 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I'm really not confident about a JAT lynch if it's based mostly off of meta like Damdred says. :/ Is there anything else more solid that I missed? He is doing nothing and his vote is on my top townread. On September 17 2015 04:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
like i am waffling between jat/damdred/cephiro.
and i don't think cephiro is the scummiest of those people. there is 3 mafia soo....... By the end of the night, Rayn ends up town on JAT, but I'm pretty sure Rayn reads Marv as town far FAR more than he reads Jat as Mafia. Plus, the Rayn townread on JAT seems mostly based on me being mafia which is wrong. So I literally give zero fucks about Rayn's townread on JAT. Some of his points for scumreads are pretty interesting, because mafia tends to townread me and whiteknight me for really bad reasons which has been rather different from how Damdred townread me. Rayns townread on me had absolutely nothing to do with you. I habe no idea how you come up with this shit. That's a flat out lie. All anyone has to do is open rayn's filter and cntrl+f "JAT" and his read on you seems to come around as his read on me comes around at the same time. Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 17 2015 18:06 justanothertownie wrote:
It has been townjat all along. Being in this counterwagon position is actually pretty nice now that I think of it. Will read what I missed and give my thoughts on it later on. I dont think that means much. I mean like if you are town idk what that would mean regarding the votes (if two townies are up for lynch). If anything, it should be a red flag on geript because he didn't give a shit about who gets lynched.... and now look at what he is saying.... Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 18:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:I actually had really good reasons to think moosy is mafia. I will tell you them some day. But this is the town!jat i have been waiting for. Thank you. Additionally, it comes around based on your Wile/SL smurf read. One that's actually pretty useless IMO honestly (although I enjoy lynching SL b/c he's a complete asshat). It's interesting, but I don't think it's like "OMG 100% must be mafia because SL." I forget who caught the Wile claim fuck up thing, but I think it was JAT iirc and that's the sort of bus that's great to do because it'll happen regardless at some point.
Rayn can make/have 2 reads at the same time without them being correlated to each other. I know it must seem like a complicated and foreign concept but it actually is possible.
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Not that any of this has the slightest relevance for our lynch today. Fine, rayns townread on me does not make me town. Are you content now? That does not make marv any less scummy.
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Well, he was right on Wile and he might be right on you :/
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On September 22 2015 08:00 ritoky wrote:
gonna move my vote to marv or cephiro for fucking off too much.
also should go back and look at who was the least engaged in the game last day phase....cuz i seriously think the person making the nks had to be fairly disengaged to believe scott only had 1 use....they also missed me soft vigi 3 times.
I really think it is much more likely that the mafiateam has a godfather and therefore didn't give a shit about the tracker.
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On September 22 2015 08:14 ritoky wrote:
geript just feels off to me this game and i am very unsure if that is irl interference.
cuz in the situation we are in today he thinks onegu was mafia and there's a world of 1. but mechanically it is just right to play today considering that there's a world of 2. like that is just mechanically the better mindset to play with right now. last game him and i went ballistic on people for not understanding very simple mechanics on why 1) i could not be mafia and 2) why you should never lynch someone who can block kp until lylo. like if i wasn't confirmed town, geript was town, and i was spouting world of 1 today, i feel like he would berate me. so him being in that mode and not considering into worlds of 2 very much is disconcerting.
That's not the only disconcerting thing about his posts this dayphase. They are all garbage. And don't get me wrong I expect a certain amount of bad posts from town geript but he is going way overboard.
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On September 22 2015 15:15 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2015 15:07 scott31337 wrote:On September 22 2015 15:04 geript wrote:On September 22 2015 15:00 scott31337 wrote:On September 22 2015 07:03 geript wrote:Just some of the Rayn "townreads" on JAT On September 15 2015 19:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2015 18:57 Palmar wrote:
I feel like JAT has basically been a non-entity this game. Maybe I should tunnel him to see what happens. I agree with this, especially lately. but i think its too early to tell. On September 15 2015 19:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi; Palmar is almost definitely town. I somewhat agree with you on JAT but you are wrong on Palmar. On September 15 2015 20:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2015 20:40 marvellosity wrote:On September 15 2015 20:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not saying he should be a clean townread for you.
I am saying he should not be a scumread for you because he does things you think are more likely to come from town!geript than mafia!geript (unless you ofc prove where i am wrong, which you havent done). not sure if it helps, but from my perspective: 1) geript is more calculated as mafia 2) geript did something scummy 3) the thing was scummy enough that 2 to an extent trumps 1 or to put it another way maybe, most nonsense/all-over-the-placeness isn't scummy well for me it isn't, because i can't understand how someone makes the posts geript did. i also have no idea how jat comes to the conclusions he does. i also have no idea why he feels the need to "defend" geript or what the fuck ever he was doing if "it doesn't matter" in the end anyways?!?!? On September 15 2015 20:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:Like here is what jat said: "I think rayn's case looks good on paper because yes, geript is being irrational and not-sense-making. Therefore i do not think it makes him mafia. Here is why; I think when geript is mafia he is calculated and makes sense, when he is town he is irrational and not-sense-making most of the time. But i still scumread him because i have no reason to townread him." jesus fucking christ On September 16 2015 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Not really, jat on the other hand is still not doing shit and apparently is not doing shit for the rest of the phase... On September 16 2015 22:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am talking about the start of the game and the jat thing fits into his scum!character.
The way he processes information and what he lays out is scummy as fuck. Like yes, i know he is irrational at times and does weird stuff but this is just plain out scummy. On September 17 2015 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I know that was geript but why does he like "approve" geript's question if he doesn't think marv should do that.
Like saying "you were wrong on him remember" is basically saying "listen to geript here" which makes no sense if jat thinks i am town. The post just doesn't make any sense if jat thinks i am not mafia. On September 17 2015 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Honestly i have no fucking idea what jat is doing in this game.
Almost nothing he does makes any sense to me. On September 17 2015 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 17 2015 00:18 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I'm really not confident about a JAT lynch if it's based mostly off of meta like Damdred says. :/ Is there anything else more solid that I missed? He is doing nothing and his vote is on my top townread. On September 17 2015 04:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
like i am waffling between jat/damdred/cephiro.
and i don't think cephiro is the scummiest of those people. there is 3 mafia soo....... By the end of the night, Rayn ends up town on JAT, but I'm pretty sure Rayn reads Marv as town far FAR more than he reads Jat as Mafia. Plus, the Rayn townread on JAT seems mostly based on me being mafia which is wrong. So I literally give zero fucks about Rayn's townread on JAT. Some of his points for scumreads are pretty interesting, because mafia tends to townread me and whiteknight me for really bad reasons which has been rather different from how Damdred townread me. So - You really have said nothing here - Is that correct? On September 22 2015 08:05 Damdred wrote:
Such talk id be happy lynching Marv or ceph though.
Like I said before I left its really possible that they are a team together since Marv gave up his ceph read for little to no reason at all considering what was going on in the thread.
Rereading that part of the game it just boggles how fast Marv gets off ceph when ceph still didn't do anything to go to moosey who he didn't want to lynch.
Lije its a really possible scum team. This is a Damdred telling me absoultely nothing - Why would you do that as town? On September 22 2015 08:14 ritoky wrote:
geript just feels off to me this game and i am very unsure if that is irl interference.
cuz in the situation we are in today he thinks onegu was mafia and there's a world of 1. but mechanically it is just right to play today considering that there's a world of 2. like that is just mechanically the better mindset to play with right now. last game him and i went ballistic on people for not understanding very simple mechanics on why 1) i could not be mafia and 2) why you should never lynch someone who can block kp until lylo. like if i wasn't confirmed town, geript was town, and i was spouting world of 1 today, i feel like he would berate me. so him being in that mode and not considering into worlds of 2 very much is disconcerting. Good advice here - I'm just saving it here in my filter. --Geript defensive -- On September 22 2015 14:51 geript wrote:On September 22 2015 08:14 ritoky wrote:
geript just feels off to me this game and i am very unsure if that is irl interference.
cuz in the situation we are in today he thinks onegu was mafia and there's a world of 1. but mechanically it is just right to play today considering that there's a world of 2. like that is just mechanically the better mindset to play with right now. last game him and i went ballistic on people for not understanding very simple mechanics on why 1) i could not be mafia and 2) why you should never lynch someone who can block kp until lylo. like if i wasn't confirmed town, geript was town, and i was spouting world of 1 today, i feel like he would berate me. so him being in that mode and not considering into worlds of 2 very much is disconcerting. The circumstances for personality were quite different. You were mechanically a bad lynch; people had made a few pretty bad lynches at that point (ruXxar being obviously town, the FF nuke, etc). Not really the same here. Mechanically, it's best to live in a world of two; but I have a shit ton of townreads so I don't think that's the case here. If there is two, I'd put money it's Palmar/JAT in a heartbeat. Marv doesn't reasonably have a partner. I don't think I could be mafia let alone have a partner. Scott I don't think could have a partner. Damdred could maybe be with any non-confirmed but I really don't think he's mafia. I guess Cephiro + Marv/Damdred is a possibility too. I've kinda forgotten about Ceph, but I think his end of D1 is still relevant and he's probably town. The only team of 2 that makes any sense to me is Palmar/JAT for a variety of reasons. Palmar's acted differently towards Marv, he's been far more active, he's been moving away from decent reads to push people I think are town for mediocre reasons at best. JAT has ramped up in activity over time, he's heavily overstated Rayn's townread on him, he's been pushing random shit that makes zero sense, etc. From a game standpoint side, a 2 person team is 2ML away from winning and now is the important time to pool votes/pressure/thread sentiment to focus town on killing each other. I'll look this over later, but WTF at the moment. There's only two mafia left - and in a world Onegu was one - one mafia left, which from what I've read from SL, I'm doubtful. Marv hasn't done shit - but after my last game that every one bus each other - I have an open fucking mind now. There's only POSSIBLY two mafia left - WHY ARE THE REST OF THE FUCKING TOWN SUCK ASS AND LICK BALLS? Like if any of you scrubs are town - you are throwing the game - Why? To keep up your scum meta bullshit? GG Mr. 2 page filter You are going to try to shit on confirmed town because I am concise and not bullshit a lot of filter when it is not needed? No. I'm putting my thoughts out concisely while having a bit of fun. In one of your reads on me you said nothing stuck out in my filter. Did you even read it? Rayn tunnel. Palmar/Damdred early suspicion. One Vet is a mafia read. Sure I'm not my 15 pages of unmitigated aggression half filled with stupidity (50% ain't bad though right?; at least I got the stupid down pat) but I'm not wholly irrelevant. It's also not like I haven't given my thoughts. I can get me being harder to read this game, but I don't think its that hard to see I'm obviously town. That I'm trying to think/analyze when I can or sheep appropriately/reasonably when I cant.
Time to sheep then.
You are really going for too dumb to be scum, aren't you? How can a townie possibly ignore how marv just gave up and how I have been the only unconfirmed trying to win this game for town for multiple days now. At least Palmar put in a little bit of effort but the rest of you should be ashamed of your own play.
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On September 22 2015 15:02 geript wrote:
Using the filter length heuristic, Scott then Ceph then me then Damdred are the most likely to be mafia. Which tbh is kinda interesting, but eh. A blue not CC'ing Scott is pretty insane imo.
The obvious problem with filter length this game is Scott's a replacement and missed what's usually the most prolific posting phase. I've been busy. Damdred has seemed busy at points. Palmar's posting prolifically slightly oddly. Marv's dropped off a bit since idk D1. Filter length doesn't apply to JAT because JAT.
It's kinda funny because I'd expected mafia to kill Scott not Koshi. I guess it's interchangeable if there's an RB (which would be kinda odd setup with RB x2 and janitor). Makes me wonder if it wasn't just a planned bus and that's why Wile rolled over so easily.
Like, you can't be serious here? Dropped off A BIT? 2 RBs instead of the much simpler GF solution that has been talked about a lot by now?
I seriously hope you are mafia with marv and just trolling because you know you are losing the game.
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On September 22 2015 18:12 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2015 17:17 justanothertownie wrote:On September 22 2015 15:02 geript wrote:
Using the filter length heuristic, Scott then Ceph then me then Damdred are the most likely to be mafia. Which tbh is kinda interesting, but eh. A blue not CC'ing Scott is pretty insane imo.
The obvious problem with filter length this game is Scott's a replacement and missed what's usually the most prolific posting phase. I've been busy. Damdred has seemed busy at points. Palmar's posting prolifically slightly oddly. Marv's dropped off a bit since idk D1. Filter length doesn't apply to JAT because JAT.
It's kinda funny because I'd expected mafia to kill Scott not Koshi. I guess it's interchangeable if there's an RB (which would be kinda odd setup with RB x2 and janitor). Makes me wonder if it wasn't just a planned bus and that's why Wile rolled over so easily. Like, you can't be serious here? Dropped off A BIT? 2 RBs instead of the much simpler GF solution that has been talked about a lot by now? I seriously hope you are mafia with marv and just trolling because you know you are losing the game. How can you not understand that Marv can be town here? Him deciding to fuck off post cop check the go enjoy a relaxing weekend aren't alignment indicative. Especially in new Marv meta. I doubt this view will be popular or liked, but new Marv gives far fewer fucks. Far fewer.
To the bolded: Nobody said it was. And new marv meta might be more lazy but it is still incredibly easily to townread and he does still give more than enough fucks.
You will not get any towncred from his flip for this nonsense. You overused your stupid and wrong card.
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On September 22 2015 18:47 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2015 18:12 geript wrote:On September 22 2015 17:17 justanothertownie wrote:On September 22 2015 15:02 geript wrote:
Using the filter length heuristic, Scott then Ceph then me then Damdred are the most likely to be mafia. Which tbh is kinda interesting, but eh. A blue not CC'ing Scott is pretty insane imo.
The obvious problem with filter length this game is Scott's a replacement and missed what's usually the most prolific posting phase. I've been busy. Damdred has seemed busy at points. Palmar's posting prolifically slightly oddly. Marv's dropped off a bit since idk D1. Filter length doesn't apply to JAT because JAT.
It's kinda funny because I'd expected mafia to kill Scott not Koshi. I guess it's interchangeable if there's an RB (which would be kinda odd setup with RB x2 and janitor). Makes me wonder if it wasn't just a planned bus and that's why Wile rolled over so easily. Like, you can't be serious here? Dropped off A BIT? 2 RBs instead of the much simpler GF solution that has been talked about a lot by now? I seriously hope you are mafia with marv and just trolling because you know you are losing the game. How can you not understand that Marv can be town here? Him deciding to fuck off post cop check the go enjoy a relaxing weekend aren't alignment indicative. Especially in new Marv meta. I doubt this view will be popular or liked, but new Marv gives far fewer fucks. Far fewer. Yeah, but I remember marv himself saying that as mafia he can give fucks for only a limited amount of time, then he just can't anymore. Whereas as town he can continue to give fucks indefinitely. Having not played with "old marv" I would say he is under his fucks threshhold for an effort based town read. Also if cephiro ninja votes/ninja posts and it isn't jizz worthy or doesn't continue for a sustained period of time it will basically be him claiming mafia at this point.
At this point I just hope he gets modkilled. Marv flipping GF would also be awesome.
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On September 22 2015 18:54 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2015 18:52 justanothertownie wrote:On September 22 2015 18:47 ritoky wrote:On September 22 2015 18:12 geript wrote:On September 22 2015 17:17 justanothertownie wrote:On September 22 2015 15:02 geript wrote:
Using the filter length heuristic, Scott then Ceph then me then Damdred are the most likely to be mafia. Which tbh is kinda interesting, but eh. A blue not CC'ing Scott is pretty insane imo.
The obvious problem with filter length this game is Scott's a replacement and missed what's usually the most prolific posting phase. I've been busy. Damdred has seemed busy at points. Palmar's posting prolifically slightly oddly. Marv's dropped off a bit since idk D1. Filter length doesn't apply to JAT because JAT.
It's kinda funny because I'd expected mafia to kill Scott not Koshi. I guess it's interchangeable if there's an RB (which would be kinda odd setup with RB x2 and janitor). Makes me wonder if it wasn't just a planned bus and that's why Wile rolled over so easily. Like, you can't be serious here? Dropped off A BIT? 2 RBs instead of the much simpler GF solution that has been talked about a lot by now? I seriously hope you are mafia with marv and just trolling because you know you are losing the game. How can you not understand that Marv can be town here? Him deciding to fuck off post cop check the go enjoy a relaxing weekend aren't alignment indicative. Especially in new Marv meta. I doubt this view will be popular or liked, but new Marv gives far fewer fucks. Far fewer. Yeah, but I remember marv himself saying that as mafia he can give fucks for only a limited amount of time, then he just can't anymore. Whereas as town he can continue to give fucks indefinitely. Having not played with "old marv" I would say he is under his fucks threshhold for an effort based town read. Also if cephiro ninja votes/ninja posts and it isn't jizz worthy or doesn't continue for a sustained period of time it will basically be him claiming mafia at this point. At this point I just hope he gets modkilled. Marv flipping GF would also be awesome. we don't lose a lynch right? i am too tired to math.
We don't I think. I haven't calculated for Onegu being mafia but if Onegu was town we lost a mislynch because you shot him and a modkill will not lose us another one. Getting modkilled would be the most protown thing Cephiro did all game in a way.
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We also don't lose a mislynch if only one mafia is alive.
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On September 22 2015 20:59 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 09:02 marvellosity wrote:
Palmar doesn't really deserve the number of townreads he has at this point, it's way too early. ^ Early on D1. What I do agree with, is that it's way to early to give anyone proper townreads at that point based on close to no proper information except earlygame bantering which is most of the time very irrelevant. Don't really understand his motive behind calling Palmar out like this when there were other players townread even more at that point, unless it just doesn't fit marv's agenda. (I think a townie would approach more like a "why are you all townreading this person" rather than "you people should not townread this person", the latter style being clearly aimed towards discrediting the person in question.) Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 21:22 marvellosity wrote:
normally (always?) when jat is mafia you can snare him near the end of the day when he's not quite as capable of pushing interesting things strongly. For someone that has been calling jat mafia a fair few times, I haven't seen many snaring attempts.. If you go and check marv's filter, it has a lot of pages and posts but very few posts actually aim towards getting something done. He might be partaking in discussion or asking questions every once a while, but the key thing is that he's just asking for the sake of asking. He doesn't do anything with the answers he gets. He sits around being content with getting a reply to a question. Sure, not all town players ask the most useful questions all the time, but generally even if something can be understood as a stupid question, there's something that the player asking it wants to achieve with it. I don't see any of that in marv's filter, he rarely follows up a question with anything further. There's a clear lack of goal in what he does. Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 20:00 marvellosity wrote:
totally forgot Wile. Would probably also lynch because i think most others look townier.
i think rayn's defence of him is based on associations that he shouldn't be making (esp moosy). Except... he ends up following rayn's reasoning in the end and conveniently ends up not voting for Wile who he seemed to be okay lynching earlier (and all the way fairly close to the lynch deadline). Do note the reasoning for that also is very lacking. Most others look more town? Sheesh.. just screams "I don't have any real reason to vote for him, so I'll just say I have even less reason voting for others." Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 20:05 marvellosity wrote:
yes i saw that, but decided to leave them to have it out at some stage
i don't really want to touch damdred with a bargepole
if you do, please go ahead :> ^ Distancing from damdred, how much interaction have you seen between these two during the game..? And marv has 15+ pages of filter (mostly irrelevant nonsense.) Here comes the fun part. Guess who convinces marv that Wile isn't a worthy lynch? Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 06:27 marvellosity wrote:On September 17 2015 06:25 Damdred wrote:
He was doing catch up posts where he was commenting as he was coming.
And he came to a moosey post and it felt like a ah ha moment where it felt like he had caught moosey in something then mildly dissapointed that others had picked up on it.
It just felt super towny yes ok, not sure about super towny but i'm definitely getting it. hrmph It just so happens to be Damdred! Do take notice of how marv is instantly fine with not lynching Wile anymore. (Not that he ever provided proper reasoning for why he wanted to lynch Wile.. the only thing he stuck on to was the "test" thing of his earlygame, asking players for meta.) He also defends / favourably views damdred on Page 10 of marv's filter, mostly discussion regarding this post of Dam's: Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 10:27 Damdred wrote:
Koshi is really town here like id be impressed if this is scum game koshi.
Geript has a few posts that give me a small amount of pause that he could potentially be town like his moosey read is something that he would do when he's town. But he just is lacking some form of curiosity he might has here.
That being said that one read on moosey really has me doubting my scum read currently. It just looks so towny of him to do.
The more I think about it the more I want to town read him and I defdinately don't want to lynch him now... Soft-defending a person that you've been trying to stay at a distance from? Gives me very much a scum-scum interaction feeling. Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 00:17 marvellosity wrote:
cop should totally check me, that sounds like a totally sensible use of a cop's resources. ^ During N1. Looks like a very obvious "Mafia GF with questionable thread presence trying to get easy cred with a greencheck" -ploy. I'd argue if marv was town, he wouldn't seriously suggest himself to be checked in that case. Then his filter is mainly filled with useless back and forth arguing with JAT, with the occasional mention of him looking at a ceph lynch favourably. It's not like he has too many options when he has never pushed for anything strongly, it'd probably be weird enough if he stepped his game out of nowhere and started to push someone.. so he's content with taking jabs at me, those jabs being very non-committal. (Do note the fearmongering as well, he talks about my experience at several points as something to be wary of.) ##vote marvellosityLet's continue lynching scum.
meh
I think the good points in this post were already made by me earlier and things like the "Palmar doesn't deserve those townreads" are just not alignment indicative. Also the last quoted post is clearly not serious and I don't know how you can miss that.
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On September 22 2015 22:19 KelsierSC wrote:Day3 Votecount marvellosity(5): scott31337, ritoky, justanothertownie, Palmar, Cephiro, justanothertownie(1): geript Not Voting (2): marvellosity, Damdred Voting ends in at 21:30 GMT (+00:00).
I protest against this votecount. I was the first vote on marv!
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On September 23 2015 00:55 Damdred wrote:
I really don't care if I get lynched, especially if amarv is mafia we gain a mislynch so it might be preferable.
You and rit are adorable though
Then why the fuck did you even sign up for this game if you don't want to play it?
And you called my play shit (partly for scumreading Wile and marv btw.). That's pretty rich.
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Also no, we do not gain a mislynch. We still have exactly one mislynch left.
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On September 23 2015 01:54 Damdred wrote:
Firstly I called your day 1 shut because your day one was shit. You are totally delusional if you think otherwise, which honestly you probably are but that's just what it is.
I really don't care if I get lynched doesn't matter, and that's not why I called your play shit anyway so stop making things up.
I called Wile and marv mafia day1 and yes, you ridiculed me for exactly those reads. And if my day1 play has been shit then we have to invent a new and stronger word for your play.
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On September 23 2015 02:01 Damdred wrote:
You are acting as a revisionist at this point jat.
1) You totally backed off your wile scum read d1, you didn't push wile with any force until n1. Before that it was barely soft pushing
2) I never ridiculed you for scum reading Marv.
Honestly jat you can go fuck yourself and that horribly sized ego. My play before I got busy was decent nit good, if your town I did make that bad read but otherwise my reads weren't horribly wrong
lol, who is the revisionist now.
I don't care dude. Play the damn game if you are town or you have 0 right to call anyones play shit ever again. It is absolutely understandable that you did not play over the weekend. I know your excuse and I never attacked you for that. But not doing anything now is just unacceptable.
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On September 23 2015 02:04 geript wrote:
Second time JAT has factually lied and been called to the carpet about his bullshitting.
Shut up and do something useful if you have no idea what you are talking about. I would quote the posts in question if it had any relevance to this game.
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On September 23 2015 02:09 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2015 02:06 justanothertownie wrote:On September 23 2015 02:04 geript wrote:
Second time JAT has factually lied and been called to the carpet about his bullshitting. Shut up and do something useful if you have no idea what you are talking about. I would quote the posts in question if it had any relevance to this game. I am. I'm calling you out on your bullshit. Marv you may have called scum but Damdred's right on your Wile 'push'. It'd be like me saying I heavily pushed Wile on D1.
I said I called Wile mafia and I did. I did not say I hardpushed him at all.
But let's say you were right and it would be bullshit - who the fuck cares? Or do you actually think it makes me mafia? If so then please explain in detail.
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On September 23 2015 02:11 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2015 02:05 justanothertownie wrote:On September 23 2015 02:01 Damdred wrote:
You are acting as a revisionist at this point jat.
1) You totally backed off your wile scum read d1, you didn't push wile with any force until n1. Before that it was barely soft pushing
2) I never ridiculed you for scum reading Marv.
Honestly jat you can go fuck yourself and that horribly sized ego. My play before I got busy was decent nit good, if your town I did make that bad read but otherwise my reads weren't horribly wrong lol, who is the revisionist now. I don't care dude. Play the damn game if you are town or you have 0 right to call anyones play shit ever again. It is absolutely understandable that you did not play over the weekend. I know your excuse and I never attacked you for that. But not doing anything now is just unacceptable. Firstly in not being a revisionist everything I've said is documented in my filter. And neither of the things you are saying are factual. And I am playing in pretty well documented that I think ceph is the last mafia at this point with Marv. It is pretty apparent with how quickly Marv jumped off cephbfor non reasons and hammered someone who he didn't want to lynch earlier. Though this could point to your being mafia as well I think its more likely its ceph in that situation. We gave him a decent amount of credit for trying to push another lynch in scum mate wile but it is a bit wifom since he gave up the push on wile so quickly especially when two other wagons were fighting and it was possible to go on someone else. And he was really concerned about saving his own neck staring he would vote moosey to save himself.
Ok, let's say you are wrong and Cephiro is town. Who is mafia then? Like, there are only very few people who could be a 3rd mafia from your pov. Why don't you at least make a post explaining your reads on those people? That would be a good start and it's not that hard to do.
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On September 23 2015 02:23 Damdred wrote:
Listen JAT,
There's only three possibilities in Ceph, palmar, and geript. (if I exclude you)
Geript is the most likely lynch after me if I'm lynched and ceph gets another day pass. I don't think he's scum, he hasn't cared and been as aggressive as he normally would bit he has no self preservation or end game that I can see besides getting lynched quite possibly tommorow or in lylo there is no real win there I think. What would his plan be, would be lylo with ceph, geript and jat in that world... And the only play is try to convince town ceph that jat is the mafia.
I just don't see a scum geript not trying to get on more peoples good sides meh. He's probably the least likely.
Palmar is the scariest in this situation. I think he's been decently town the whole game but I don't think that this whole game is outside his wheel house. There's been a plan of action, d1 he is generally town read has two town wagons up. D2 busses wile. D3 helps drive bus on Marv. Has at least two mislynches still in game is in a good spot. Its pretty scary tbh.
I've went over ceph.
ATM I'm in the world where its
Ceph, palmar, jat, geript from most to least likely
I have no idea why geript is so unlikely mafia for you. Nothing he has said since the Wile lynch made even the slightest bit of sense. Even for geript this should be too much.
Sure, Palmar is scary. And he definitely could be mafia. But as long as the rest of you isn't even trying to win the game I will certainly not lynch the only one who does.
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On September 23 2015 02:28 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 01:39 marvellosity wrote:On September 17 2015 01:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
If no one is willing to entertain a Coyote lynch I guess I might switch to Cephiro as promised. I am entertaining it. if ceph produces townie content and wile doesn't especially. Like what prompts this statement and totally ends with Marv unvoting with no explanation at all? And tells ceph he's super scumm right before it
I doubt marv would bus both his buddies like that though. It's probably a bad reason but I don't really see marv trying this much with a team of SL and cephiro. And marv kinda has to be on one of the main wagons eod.
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But I guess it is somewhat possible that he just said "fuck it, I am not living for a long time anyways and at least you 2 will look good":
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On September 23 2015 02:34 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 00:19 marvellosity wrote:On September 17 2015 06:18 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
like ceph is never mafia here I think. he doesint even wanna return a vote on onegu when his life is on the line. So unless there partners and onegus doing some sort of terrible afk bus ceph is always going to be town here On September 17 2015 06:27 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
moosys not really doing anything to warrant unvotes. moosy/jat/ceph i think is my pref order er?? Yeah I think Ceph gets a point up after reading Marv's filter - I wouldn't lynch Ceph tomorrow.
I am currently thinking I would go with geript or damdred tomorrow. But we need to force Cephiro to do shit at some point.
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On September 23 2015 02:39 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2015 02:36 justanothertownie wrote:On September 23 2015 02:34 scott31337 wrote:On September 18 2015 00:19 marvellosity wrote:On September 17 2015 06:18 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
like ceph is never mafia here I think. he doesint even wanna return a vote on onegu when his life is on the line. So unless there partners and onegus doing some sort of terrible afk bus ceph is always going to be town here On September 17 2015 06:27 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
moosys not really doing anything to warrant unvotes. moosy/jat/ceph i think is my pref order er?? Yeah I think Ceph gets a point up after reading Marv's filter - I wouldn't lynch Ceph tomorrow. I am currently thinking I would go with geript or damdred tomorrow. But we need to force Cephiro to do shit at some point. And how should we accomplish that?
I have no idea tbh. dude seems content with being useless lynchbait if he is town.
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On September 23 2015 02:48 geript wrote:
A summary of Jat's play today:
Pushes people while ignoring evidence to the contrary.
This sentence doesn't even make sense.
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On September 23 2015 02:53 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2015 21:47 Palmar wrote:
Cephiro drops hard hitting analysis on the guy we're lynching anyway and isn't even trying to defend himself. 1) This happened to be the best time for me to post my thoughts on marv as I refused to do so earlier, it being irrelevant. What should I defend myself from? "Cephiro might be mafia because of his activity?" That's not even worth addressing, that's how bad of a case anyone thinking I'm scum is currently. 2) My read hasn't "conveniently changed" to marv or anything of the sort as you can point from my scarce posting history. I've been thinking he's a good lynch for a while, and I posted my reasons now that it's relevant and I had the time to do so. Or do you seriously think that me just joining in the wagon saying "Well we're voting marv anyway and I've said he's scum for a while now so I'll just roll with it", then fucking off would've been reasonable? I don't think so. As a sidenote, I have to say I find it amusing what the "best" reasoning for considering me as potential mafia is so far. Show nested quote +On September 23 2015 02:11 Damdred wrote:
And I am playing in pretty well documented that I think ceph is the last mafia at this point with Marv.
It is pretty apparent with how quickly Marv jumped off cephbfor non reasons and hammered someone who he didn't want to lynch earlier. Though this could point to your being mafia as well I think its more likely its ceph in that situation.
We gave him a decent amount of credit for trying to push another lynch in scum mate wile but it is a bit wifom since he gave up the push on wile so quickly especially when two other wagons were fighting and it was possible to go on someone else. And he was really concerned about saving his own neck staring he would vote moosey to save himself.
I mean, just look at this. I gave the push up on wile so quickly? My vote stood on wile as long as it was feasible, and with people defending him (INCLUDING YOU, who told marv he did a very towny thing which marv just took for granted), I wasn't going to get him killed after trying a while. I ended up voting jat whom I felt was very scummy back then instead of voting for moosey. Sure, I didn't necessarily vote for my #1 scumread because I did not have the luxury of doing so. Voting so happens to be the greatest power I have this game, and wasting it by voting on someone who isn't going to get lynched is worse than voting for another scumread of yours that IS up for lynch. Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 03:12 Cephiro wrote:but I'm getting a fairly good idea of how I'd like to lynch today. Assuming nothing significant to change my mind comes up: Wile > JAT > marv/geript And I stood on to what I said. Concerned about saving myself? Last time I checked, getting oneself killed isn't very much of a pro wincon move. You could argue that sacrificing oneself over a blue as a non-powerrole could be worth it in some scenarios, but for something that you can't be sure of, that's fairly far-fetched. So I didn't jump on the mislynch wagon, but changed my vote from #1 scumread to #2 scumread because it was getting clear we weren't getting my #1 scumread killed, but #2 had a chance of happening. Talk about being super concerned about myself and trying to get nothing done, right? As wifom, I really don't understand how someone could imagine a marv/Ceph scumteam at this point. I mean I like to make big plays, but I'm not a fan of retarded plays (well, except when I'm town and get an idea that I believe is genius when it clearly isn't). If I was scum with my marv, why on earth would you assume I'd have bussed both my scumbuddies since the start of the game? Sure, it's well within my reach to do so, but even I'm not stupid enough to think that I'd come out on top of a 1v5+1 (one confirmed town, ritoky) starting N3. Especially as if you assume both me and marv to be scum, that would mean scott is confirmed town also. Which would mean I'd go into a 1v4+1conftown situation on D4. I'm sure I could get at least one mislynch even at that point if I was mafia, but two when the town has the option of no-lynching on D5 to make it a D6 1v2? Yeah, just no. Not with how much presence I've had in the game so far. I can also assure you that I'd never have approved of a Koshi kill if I was scum. I would've just gone for the actually confirmed town and discredited koshi, given roleblocking into mafia team itself is something I've done several times in the past. Marv may have easily left pursuing my lynch near the deadline, but he did just as much so with Wile. Do you really think marv would've started off with a scum/scum bus only to waffle himself on a town mislynch? Just no. Feel free to point out reasons you disagree, but trying to think of it from a neutral PoV, I honestly can't see how someone would ever think me+marv is a possible scumteam at this point. In theory sure, in practice no. I don't mind if a townie genuinely misreads me as scum for valid reasons, people make mistakes all the time. But when the reasoning is absolute crap and spells "Opportunistic and far-fetched" all over it, you'll have to wonder if that's a case coming from a town player or a scum player.
Noone would ever have discredited Koshi. He was obviously town and there is nothing mafia could do about it. And besides that there really is no discrediting that he didn't already do himself. :p
Can you give detailed reads on geript, Palmar, damdred and me please? That would actually be useful unlike your marv post.
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On September 23 2015 02:55 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2015 02:50 justanothertownie wrote:On September 23 2015 02:48 geript wrote:
A summary of Jat's play today:
Pushes people while ignoring evidence to the contrary. This sentence doesn't even make sense. Must be hard for you to understand such a simple concept. But I'll use small words so everyone can understand. 1. You say you don't see how X can be town 2. It gets explained to you multiple ways 3. You continue to push X. I'll make it really simple. It's a classic scum tactic to ignore evidence that isn't favorable (oops a big word... It means 'good') for their ability to win.
The irony. Oh god it is killing me.
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Geript just basically called himself mafia.
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Pushes rayn all the time while people tell him he is town. Ignores it and keeps pushing.
Pushes me while people tell him why I am town. Ignores it and keeps pushing.
Says marv is town while people tell him why he is mafia and being lynched. Keeps saying marv could be town.
And then this fucking post:
On September 23 2015 02:55 geript wrote:
I'll make it really simple. It's a classic scum tactic to ignore evidence that isn't favorable (oops a big word... It means 'good') for their ability to win.
just lol
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On September 23 2015 03:25 ritoky wrote:
i am awake and it appears marv still doesn't care...
He is clearly just rolling over.
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On September 23 2015 03:28 Cephiro wrote:
Without going into deeper analysis yet, I currently feel a Dam+marv pairing is a fairly possible case. (with marv being a GF and delivering kill)
The thing is, I don't feel as strongly about Dam being mafia if marv flips town (which I very much doubt will happen).
It's honestly really hard to read into the rest of the players at this point.
I'm still not 100% on scott, but on the other hand I think it's extremely unlikely that if scott was scum, he'd claim tracker to basically confirm a kill on his scumbuddy. I mean, it's a possibility for extreme lategame cred, but I don't think Wile was boned enough by that point that it would've been a no-loss play. So while I'm ignoring the small possibility and giving him a townread for now, it's something that should be kept in mind as the game goes on.
jat - The amount of sheer activity and presence he has is a double-edged sword. I'm having trouble deciding if it's sincere or not. On the other hand it could be trying to do his best from a townjat, but then again I'm also feeling vibes of "Lack of goal", as in what he's trying to achieve with some of all that activity, not to mention he doesn't seem to mind cluttering the thread with useless crap or arguing back and forth either, which isn't exactly productive (although I would have to say useless posts seem to be a thing in this game and something almost everyone can be called out for...).
I do feel it's a bit more likely for him to be town currently, but I just can't seem to get rid of the thought he could also be mafia making the best out of his thread presence. (Although if marv flips mafia, I think it's slightly less likely for JAT to be mafia, even if still within reach of being a reasonable possibility.)
geript seems too chill to be scum. I'm not saying he's getting a lot done, but I feel like he'd try to assert more control over town if he's scum. Currently he seems to prefer measuring dicks with the occasional opinion (which is reasonable, but I'd also expect him to be doing more analysis / more pushing for his scumreads?). It's more of a gut feeling but there isn't enough proper content from him for me to reach a proper conclusion.
Palmar is kind of under-the-radar. In a way I feel that he's playing extremely similarly to marv, but for me the key difference is that rather than asking questions, he seems to prefer posting insightful points of view and then being non-conclusive about it (if you read his filter, there are many points where he comes off raising a point, then says he doesn't really make anything out of it either way?). But there are some good points among those he has raised, and I still prefer that to asking questions you're not doing anything with (marv this game).
So in short, I'm feeling it would be likely to be damdred (assuming marv flips mafia), but it's honestly really hard for me to pinpoint anything in jat/geript/palmar at the moment. They all have things that point out that they could be town, but they all have reasonable possibilities in which they could be scum as well.
Sorry, I know that's not probably very useful but it's really hard for me to find something concrete to make a read from when geript seems to just be chillposting, palmar is going under the radar without committing, and jat makes up 20% of the thread by himself with half of his posts being useless filler.
Lack of goal. Sure. It's not like I made the case on the mafia we lynch today and started the push on him. If what I am doing lacks a goal this game then noone has one.
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On September 23 2015 03:40 Cephiro wrote:
I didn't say everything you do has a lack of goal, but a lot of your posts do feel like they do lack a goal. I know you've been pushing marv for a while and also made a fairly decent case against him as well which I've read as points in your favour, but you can't deny that you've also cluttered the thread up with a ton of absolutely irrelevant back and forth arguing with no goal (I'm not saying you're the only one, I'm saying that just because you have a goal in some of your posts doesn't mean all the other useless ones should not be taken into account)
Well, who cares then? Sure, I won't even deny that but it is absolutely irrelevant as far as my alignment is concerned.
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Well cephiro, then you will need to put in more effort to get better reads. You say damdred would be your #1 scumread but then you go on talking about everyone but him.
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Btw. if marv flips GF I will be extra suspicious of cephiro. He dropped that more than once now for very weird reasons.
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On September 23 2015 04:06 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2015 03:58 Damdred wrote:
Like, if you read filters these are the reasons to read people town.
JAT: Though thread prescense was insanely down d1 and he lacked his normal flair and push his n1 push on confirmed scum wile was insanely good. His continued effort through d2 and into d3 and his early push and continued push on Marv is great for him. THERE IS A SLIGHT TINFOIL that he bussed both but the pushes came at a horrible time for a bus and I highly doubt it at this juncture. Probably town. Hahaha, just what? What is this bullshit you're saying? Jat pushed wile in what universe? Look at the votecount thread. JAT did not even vote for wile a single time. Guess who where the only two votes on Wile on D1? Me and moosy, yeah. But somehow you keep saying a lot of people (but not me??) have pushed the wile lynch so hard on D1. That's just fucking hilarious. Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 02:43 justanothertownie wrote:
I started reading Wiles filter fully expecting to convince myself that he is the best lynch today but I just can't seem to. I still disagree strongly with a lot of the stuff he said but I am not sure it actually makes him mafia. I can see some sort of train of thought reading his filter.
This is annoying. Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 02:48 justanothertownie wrote:
Because I might prefer lynching damdred over all the people in the poe list I posted earlier. Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 02:55 justanothertownie wrote:
I could also lynch Cephiro. There was this one post that seemed kinda honest to me early on but 90 % of his posts are about himself and once people started townreading him he just disappeared and only returned when he was being pushed again to complain about people pushing him. It doesn't seem like he is interested in finding or lynching mafia. Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 03:08 justanothertownie wrote:
Yeah, so damdred is very wishy washy and inconclusive throughout his filter. Until his recent posts he just fell off completely and it doesn't really seem like he cares about getting his scumreads lynched or figuring them out.
Like he called me mafia all game for no reason, but did he ever question me? Did he ask me things or did he in any way try to figure me out? Nope.
Did he do it for Waffle who he is also calling mafia? Nope.
Then there is the fact that neither ritoky nor geript are townreading him which is very interesting. I think he is a decent lynch. Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 03:09 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, so I think I want to lynch between Cephiro and Damdred. Any recommendations? I have to leave in a few minutes :/ Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 08:49 justanothertownie wrote:
Why on earth did you lynch moosy? Wtf happened to the Cephiro wagon? Why the fuck did rayn lynch moosy after saying mafia is most likely between damdred, cephiro and me? Good job, you made a town/town lynch happen. Don't even consider for a nanosecond that the people on my wagon are more towny than the people on moosy.
If there is a vigilante shoot me. Did I make my point clear enough? I think you should read before you spout out nonsense.
Maybe YOU should learn to read. Damdred was talking about night1. You are quoting posts from day1.
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But holy shit what an outburst. I don't even get why cephiro would go this ham.
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On September 23 2015 04:22 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 00:10 justanothertownie wrote:
And to the Wile thing:
Moosy was Wiles top mafiaread almost all game right? The thing we are talking about is the main reason why people scumread Moosy before rayn went full retard. And it wasn't a throwaway comment someone made at some point. It was actually said by multiple people and was a big point of discussion. So you are telling me Wile does not know why his top mafiaread is being scumread.
The conclusion is that he is either totally disinterested in his top mafiaread or that he is acting. Both heavily point towards him being mafia. ^ I'll agree that this was a good post/case, but as a whole, I don't see how it's "insanely good", when it wasn't even the main reason we lynched Wile. Especially when you take into account he didn't give a fuck about getting Wile lynched D1. For the activity part: If you're going to read me as scum because I'm not interested in comparing my dick with yours, then go ahead and do so. And look at me when I don't give a fuck. I prefer having less posts with more substance, instead of joining the who has the biggest dick competition and arguing "no you" back and forth for pages and pages. If that's what you people think makes someone town, then I sure as hell wish I wasn't town now right now. Don't see any of you asking me anything productive, so I'm out until closer to lynch time.
The problem is you aren't only lacking posts - the post you made do not even have much substance.
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And of course that wasn't the reason we lynched Wile because he got outed by our tracker. Like what?
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On September 23 2015 05:32 Palmar wrote:
suspense killing
suspense very killing indeed
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No. Marv could have killed Koshi.
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But scott must die tonight which is nice. This flip basically means they fucked up the last nightkill.
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On September 23 2015 06:33 scott31337 wrote:
Oh yeah unless Onegu was the Janitor, it possibly clears him, but not 100% - I got you.
Onegu is confirmed town bro.
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Who would be so insane/dumb to leave scott alive night2? What the fuck?
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On September 23 2015 06:38 Palmar wrote:
Also we got him boys.
This is like the first time in 2 years marv gets lynched as mafia (excluding palmar-lynches-marv-day1)
You can thank me later.
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On September 23 2015 06:39 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2015 06:38 justanothertownie wrote:On September 23 2015 06:38 Palmar wrote:
Also we got him boys.
This is like the first time in 2 years marv gets lynched as mafia (excluding palmar-lynches-marv-day1) You can thank me later. Thank you for being, once again, a loyal supporter and a great 3rd in command of lynching marv. Your service, no matter how insignificant, is appreciated.
Called it day1. You wanted to lynch me instead.
:p
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Poor ritoky has to keep on playing. Noone else than scott will get shot unless mafia really just wants to troll us.
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On September 23 2015 06:53 scott31337 wrote:
I'd put it at about 95% - I wifom'ed out of tracking Marv - would he carry though? but I think I'm going to run with that Damdred is town for now. They had no time to switch the kill with my post - I made sure of that. Marv would've been toast anyway so I'm glad I didn't really..
I had the same thought but we really should not rely on this.
You also said after your first track you were glad that you didn't listen to Palmar about tracking marv.
:/
Might prefer geript tomorrow. We'll see.
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On September 23 2015 06:55 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2015 06:45 justanothertownie wrote:
Poor ritoky has to keep on playing. Noone else than scott will get shot unless mafia really just wants to troll us. don't remind me lol....sux i mis-shot onegu. but at least it got rid of a potentially easy ML target for the mafia this game.
Shot still good. He was honorary mafia member.
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I doubt Palmar is dumb enough to not kill scott there... but who is really? Weird.
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On September 23 2015 07:04 ritoky wrote:
didn't someone post something about if marv is mafia and not alone he HAS to be with palmar? you should post that case tonight. thanx
I don't know if someone did that.
I posted the only way Palmar can be mafia is if marv is too but that does not mean the same.
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On September 23 2015 07:08 Damdred wrote:
Here's something I'm thinking.
Its tinfoil though but halfway plausible.
First the proposed setup this game is
Masons(rayn and koshi)
Tracker (scott)
Unaware Miller_(moosey)
Vigilante (ritoky)
Vs
Goon(marv)
Rb(wile)
Janitor(?)
This is an insanely imbalanced set up for town. Its true if janitor hits like,he did and blocks out the big information shot its a slight win for,mafia.
It just seems like a lot of blues for a thirteen person game vs a relatively weak mafia team that can't even negate the tracker and doesn't care about killing him.
Part of me wants to say that sl/wile and Scott devised this plan in qt for ultimate town cred. Obviously if he's town Scott has to die
Well, good thing we lynched marv today. We won't entertain this world before LYLO so scott has 2 nights to die in. If he doesn't we lynch him but until then he is confirmed town.
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Not trying to be a dick about it but day1 you voted on town and day2/3 you voted the claimed mafia like everyone else.
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Scott should track whoever the heck he wants to track and he also shouldn't tell us a word about his choice. If he is not killed tonight it is his job to lynch the final mafia tomorrow because if we mislynch and he survives another night there will be problems. Tomorrow is his day to shine if he is alive.
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On September 23 2015 07:47 Palmar wrote:
I'm out for tonight.
^
same
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On September 23 2015 08:46 geript wrote:
But idk who is mafia. I think I'm going to vote for Scott tomorrow.
I think I am going to vote YOU tomorrow. Wtf.
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On September 23 2015 07:48 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2015 07:34 scott31337 wrote:
EZPZ question - Who do you want to lynch tomorrow? Irrelevant until I have information of what happens during the night. Show nested quote +On September 23 2015 07:36 Damdred wrote:
And night is the best tile to scum,hunt .. Any information available during the night is there just as much for scum as it is for town. It's a good time to re-evaluate and analyze your own reads on different people, but there's not much of a reason to share it with town unless you come up with something significant that would likely affect the way a power role would act that night. Otherwise it's best to keep things to yourself and post anything of relevance before the deadline. That combined with whatever the results of the night cycle are gives a good start for the following day to continue upon. What happens during the day is much more relevant for scumhunting than what someone says during the night in most cases. Feel free to disagree, but this is how I see it.
This is horseshit.
You will not gain any information tonight. Either scott dies or ritoky dies. It doesn't matter who - we will treat scott as confirmed town tomorrow anyways. There is no reason not so say anything because YOU will not influence the nightkill anyways.
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So the only possible information you could gain is if mafia is retarded, leaves scott alive and he gets a check. That is no reason to hold back any analysis. You are just making it impossible for one of the confirmed townies to form an opinion on you before getting shot. Which is quite idiotic since if you are town you are definitely one of mafias mislynch targets.
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On September 23 2015 19:42 Palmar wrote:
We're lynching geript tomorrow.
I can't remember if I pointed it out but at some point he said something like "I'm doing all I can with the time I have" when he was literally talking about penises.
He has to be mafia.
Yes, even geript can't be this wrong and bad. This has to be intentional at this point.
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On September 24 2015 01:11 geript wrote:
Anyone who lynches me tomorrow is stupid/bad/mafia. Pick 2.
Maybe, but not as stupid/bad/mafia as you are :p
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On September 24 2015 02:00 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2015 01:18 Palmar wrote:On September 24 2015 01:11 geript wrote:
Anyone who lynches me tomorrow is stupid/bad/mafia. Pick 2. Good defense. If you are somehow town, you need to explain why you are town. I have multiple times. But here's another new wrinkle. Do I really hard sheep mafia buddy Marv d1? Nope.
Why not? Any other reasons that aren't WIFOM?
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On September 24 2015 02:45 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2015 02:01 justanothertownie wrote:On September 24 2015 01:11 geript wrote:
Anyone who lynches me tomorrow is stupid/bad/mafia. Pick 2. Maybe, but not as stupid/bad/mafia as you are :p I'll take stupid/bad. I'll give you bad/mafia.
yaaaaaawn
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On September 24 2015 03:26 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2015 03:23 Damdred wrote:
Lets actually play instead of getting yourself auto lynched geript.
If you could just humor me and post why people should read you town. And why you think Scott is scum of course. I have. I'm pretty sure multiple times. I'm about to head into work. For people who are spending so much time on the game, they give zero time to read my filter or anything I post. I could give zero fucks what those players think. I don't have time to keep repeating shit. What I really need is a massage because my legs are killing me.
Maybe if you made any actual arguments I would consider them.
But things like "I would not make this retarded rayn push as mafia" when you were convinced your arguments where good even after rayn flipped aren't. Now that it suits you suddenly all you did is stupid.
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On September 24 2015 04:20 ritoky wrote:
also jat are you here?
No, not really - it is wednesday.
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But feel free to ask me something, if you are lucky I might read it before deadline.
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On September 24 2015 05:18 ritoky wrote:I don't think you're mafia as of now. But I am not 100% on you not being mafia either. So I am gonna list what I feel are the best reasons in the thread you could be mafia, and I want you to tell me why they're wrong. I don't care about calling them bad, I want to know why they are wrong. 1) The guy tryharding the most when no1 else is -> mafia. I did this in DU2, judgejudy did this recently. It is not always true, but it can be true in a lot of cases. 2) Overselling your Wile push. It is not that you didn't push on Wile, it is that the way you described your push on Wile is way more glorified than what you actually did. 3) Destructive day 1 play. Day 1 you were snarky and more concerned with tearing arguments down than building arguments and moving town in a positive direction. 4) The disappearing cephiro read. Disappearing might be a strong enough word, but you felt he was mafia enough to deserve your vote day 1 over moosy, marv, and wile; but since you haven't really done a lot of pushing of him in any particular direction. 5) Koshi list. Koshi's list of people he wanted lynched before he died was essentially you, marv, palmar. He had slightly softened on you, but still #koshisays. No but seriously this post: Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 06:13 Koshi wrote:On September 16 2015 06:11 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 06:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 16 2015 06:00 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 05:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 16 2015 05:53 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Not really, jat on the other hand is still not doing shit and apparently is not doing shit for the rest of the phase... Which does not make me mafia :p well then it would make you bad and i don't think you are bad... so i don't pretty much have a choice here. Yes, you absolutely have a choice. You can choose not to be terrible and lynch someone who you don't have any reason to scumread and who will become easy to read as the game progresses. But if you decide to be retarded I won't stop you from doing it because I am really sick of this shit happening again after gaiden 2. I am a bit confused. Even if we discount what i have said on you and what Damdred has (which i agree with btw), why should i read you town? You have done absolutely nothing to help. I have done stuff. Not much but I have. And I am not saying you should absolutely townread me. I am saying there is 0 reason to mafia read me. I don't even know what it is you agree with concerning damdred since he never really gave a reason for scumreading me. I actually have a real read. If it isn't true I will spoil it when you flip. But it is real and worked twice. 2/2. I can proof it. 6) A few too many "I wouldn't do x as this alignment" kind of posts that stand out in your filter. A lot of self-meta examination even under very little fire. 7) Marv was kinda deflecting you pretty substantially around the lynch time day 1. Could be spew, could be deflection. That's all I remember for now. Your filter is a behemoth so I might have forgotten some shit. Just start here telling my why this is all wrong.
Cool, this is all wrong and if you seriously think I would bus both of my buddies you are retarded.
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lol, he was really 2-shot. Nice!
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On September 24 2015 05:18 ritoky wrote:I don't think you're mafia as of now. But I am not 100% on you not being mafia either. So I am gonna list what I feel are the best reasons in the thread you could be mafia, and I want you to tell me why they're wrong. I don't care about calling them bad, I want to know why they are wrong. 1) The guy tryharding the most when no1 else is -> mafia. I did this in DU2, judgejudy did this recently. It is not always true, but it can be true in a lot of cases. 2) Overselling your Wile push. It is not that you didn't push on Wile, it is that the way you described your push on Wile is way more glorified than what you actually did. 3) Destructive day 1 play. Day 1 you were snarky and more concerned with tearing arguments down than building arguments and moving town in a positive direction. 4) The disappearing cephiro read. Disappearing might be a strong enough word, but you felt he was mafia enough to deserve your vote day 1 over moosy, marv, and wile; but since you haven't really done a lot of pushing of him in any particular direction. 5) Koshi list. Koshi's list of people he wanted lynched before he died was essentially you, marv, palmar. He had slightly softened on you, but still #koshisays. No but seriously this post: Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 06:13 Koshi wrote:On September 16 2015 06:11 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 06:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 16 2015 06:00 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 05:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 16 2015 05:53 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Not really, jat on the other hand is still not doing shit and apparently is not doing shit for the rest of the phase... Which does not make me mafia :p well then it would make you bad and i don't think you are bad... so i don't pretty much have a choice here. Yes, you absolutely have a choice. You can choose not to be terrible and lynch someone who you don't have any reason to scumread and who will become easy to read as the game progresses. But if you decide to be retarded I won't stop you from doing it because I am really sick of this shit happening again after gaiden 2. I am a bit confused. Even if we discount what i have said on you and what Damdred has (which i agree with btw), why should i read you town? You have done absolutely nothing to help. I have done stuff. Not much but I have. And I am not saying you should absolutely townread me. I am saying there is 0 reason to mafia read me. I don't even know what it is you agree with concerning damdred since he never really gave a reason for scumreading me. I actually have a real read. If it isn't true I will spoil it when you flip. But it is real and worked twice. 2/2. I can proof it. 6) A few too many "I wouldn't do x as this alignment" kind of posts that stand out in your filter. A lot of self-meta examination even under very little fire. 7) Marv was kinda deflecting you pretty substantially around the lynch time day 1. Could be spew, could be deflection. That's all I remember for now. Your filter is a behemoth so I might have forgotten some shit. Just start here telling my why this is all wrong.
1) What do you expect me to say to this? It's an utterly retarded argument and the fact that this might have been the case once or twice does not mean it is a general rule.
2) I never did this. I said I called him mafia all game and I did. Other people later called me out for saying I hardpushed him which I never actually said.
3) Doesn't make me mafia.
4) I had to compromise day1 because I knew I would not be able to push a lynch. Cephiro did not seem towny and was a realistic lynch (I had to consider that I wouldn't be able to switch my vote and that I was a possible lynch myself). After the day1 lynch cephiro did next to nothing while other people were actively scummy.
5) lol, just lol - Koshi never caught me, he does not have a tell on me and is just spewing the same bullshit he spews every fucking game
6) Doesn't make me mafia.
7) Marv wasn't aware the lynch was so soon. He couldn't justify lynching me after saying I was kinda towny. He probably thought the lynch would change in the last 30 minutes to someone else and if he didn't say I was towy I would go after him later which I still did.
8) Yes, everyone voted for mafia twice, but if I was mafia I bussed both of them BEFORE they were claimed mafia. I do not bus like this.
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On September 24 2015 07:58 geript wrote:
I'm voting for JAT. Because I trust Rayn's reads. And Rayn scumread JAT for all of D1.
Ok, you can die then. Because you trust Rayns read. Rayn, the one who hard townread me when he died. Just die.
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On September 24 2015 08:06 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2015 08:03 justanothertownie wrote:On September 24 2015 07:58 geript wrote:
I'm voting for JAT. Because I trust Rayn's reads. And Rayn scumread JAT for all of D1. Ok, you can die then. Because you trust Rayns read. Rayn, the one who hard townread me when he died. Just die. You first. I've covered why Rayn's N1 read on you is irrelevant and incorrect.
No, you didn't. You said it had something to do with his read on you when it had literally nothing to do with it. Even you can't be this retarded. I refuse to believe this.
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Lynch this clown and good night.
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Let's all trust rayns read of geript being 100 % mafia.
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On September 24 2015 08:20 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2015 07:58 geript wrote:
I'm voting for JAT. Because I trust Rayn's reads. And Rayn scumread JAT for all of D1. that's cool, what specific post by rayn or parts of his read do you find compelling? cuz rayn's been dead so long i don't particularly remember his reads...so i am assuming you dug through some filters or notes to find this.
Read the end of rayns filter. He is clearly strongly townreading me and it is not hard to see.
Gone for real now.
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On September 24 2015 08:27 Damdred wrote:
Ok so, this is a bit wifom argument to a degree but I think its correct.
More than likely geript is going to be lynched today with an outside shot of me. I believe geript is town and I know I'm town. Here's the reasons I think geript is town.
1) A real lack of a drive to survive. If he's scum he needs to get a mislynch to get into mylo and then another to win the game. The obvious play here is to push either Damdred or Ceph today. Instead he takes the much more suicidal way of going about the voting he tackles jat.
2) Building on that Geeipt has one person who thinks he has a shot of not being scum here (me). And I don't have the thread presence to save him obviously so what's the play? Poke at what most consider town jat and hope you get ignored?
While this is somewhat nai and a bit of conjecture I don't believe geript would do this as scum he would more than likely start pushing ver or myself to get into a winnable situation. And its not where he's at or where he's going.
Besides that he has been incredibly wrong this game has had 0 impact on the lynch and just doesn't care as much and I see this coming from a more town aligned geript.
Its a lot of feelings and what I expect from geript but id he's just going to suicide he would just concede probably.
The reason to do what he is doing is exactly this. People calling him town for it. To the bolded: and that's why you do not do this. If he is the last mafia pushing for the easy lynches will get him scumread. His only chance of winning is being townread enough to survive today which he thinks he can achieve by being retarded and irrelevant again.
On September 24 2015 13:17 geript wrote:
So for why Palmar is town.
When Marv/Palmar are mafia together, I've always seen them confirm each other and work to utilize their thread capability with each other. You know, they use their names and ability to push to get people lynched; often they'll push two people and consolidate on one. It's basically how Marv operates with any vet who can control a thread in the slightest. But Marv was happy to not coordinate with Palmar and vice versa. Marv seconded my early read on Palmar (although not to the same extent) and was happy to remove the townreads on him (or try); Palmar was happy to question Marv from D2.
I'm town for lots of reasons:
1. Mod confirmed on N1 when I blew up on Ceph.
2. Gave power to Marv. I'm good at mafia; but I don't think I'm good enough to simulate my town game by just sheeping (scumbuddy) Marv. I'd pull a Kita and just be less active while trying to be pushy.
3. I've been super wrong. I think I made 1 comment on thinking Wile was scum and it wasn't even fleshed out. As scum, I bother to be at least partially right. I dont' push it, but I at least bother to save room in case my partners are complete fucking retards and I have to hard carry another game.
4. Zero fucks given. I can't think of a single scum game where I've given zero fucks. I think I actually try harder as mafia than as town on average because it's just more fun.
5. I've been in no way reasonable the entire game. When have I been scum and not been at least reasonably reasonable?
6. JAT can suck my big hairy town balls.
7. Because I'd just kill Scott and not risk it. Also, i wouldn't have rb'd Koshi. Like I have really solid NKs; I lost a game because Rayn modkilled himself and I deferred to Palmar for NKs even though I knew mine were better (and would've won us the game btw). There's literally no reason for me to kill Koshi over Scott. On the other hand, there's every reason for JAT to kill him to shut him up because JAT will just try to spam his way to victory
8. I'M FUCKING MODCONFIRMED. HOW CAN DECONDUO BE SURE IF i'M FUCKING STRESSED IF I'M FUCKING SCUM????
9. Because I don't care how I look. I haven't at all. When I'm mafia, I care to be well ahead of the "front" of the kill list line. Often, I'm leading the kill list.
10. Do I really need more.
I don't know if it's Ceph or JAT, but honestly, JAT needs to die 100% because there's no way people would lynch him in lylo and there's no way town wins then.
The marv/Palmar thing is pure speculation. If marv feels Palmar isn't towny enough he will feel the need to call him mafia/not townread him - it was the same in assassination.
1. Wrong. The host will moderate this kind of post each and every time regardless who posts it. It doesn't matter if he thinks the person in question really feels this way or not.
2. WIFOM and bullshit.
3.-5. Yes, and that's why you are mafia. You do not give a fuck about being right this game. You act retardedly to not have to push something good and later you try to clear yourself by saying this shit. If it is so clear to you now that you haven't been reasonable then why the fuck were you like this in the first place and continue to be right now?
7. I have 0 fucking reason to shoot Koshi there. Koshi wanted to lynch marv above all and then Palmar. He said he would sheep my case on marv. So what you are trying to sell is that I not only did not shoot the tracker I was convinced was multi-shot (enough reason to clear me alone) but Koshi instead who would have sheeped me that day. Ok, you might argue "well, if he wants to kill marv then it makes sense to shoot him". That is true. But then why the heck am I killing him and STILL push and lynch marv? It makes absolutely no sense for me to do that.
8. See 1.
9. See 3.-5.
10. Yes, yes you do.
People won't lynch me now and they also won't in LYLO because I am obviously town.
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On September 24 2015 17:58 Palmar wrote:This is a weak but clever point: Damdred decided to check up on me (ok fair enough). He said he should read my filter. My filter is 17 pages of some hard hitting analysis. Time analysis is actually quite valid: Show nested quote +On September 24 2015 12:21 Damdred wrote:
just have to read jats filter again and palmar and see what I can find Show nested quote +On September 24 2015 13:31 Damdred wrote:
I just read palmars filter.
I'm pretty sure he's town in this situation. He seems to waver about Marv a good bit. Pushes Marv at good times for town palmar to do so and while it is in his wheel house especially the pressure n1 just seems way out of place for a palmar and Marv scum team.
He basically didn't fall into the mafia trap of saying "I read someone's filter" in 5 minutes. This is super weak though.
Yes, it is. Because regardless of his alignment it most likely takes the same time to read it if he really does. And he would be pretty stupid not to at this point.
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This is very real btw.:
On September 23 2015 21:54 Palmar wrote:
There's also the strong urge to lynch him because I would never forgive myself for losing to a scum geript trolling through the game.
It's awful but it's true. I don't want to reward retarded play.
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On September 24 2015 12:21 Damdred wrote:
Game is hard though...
Like I'm fairly certain geript is town
Rit is lock town
I was reading marvs filter and its pretty filled with wifom.
Reading his filter his lynch order if he could lived seemed to be, geript, cerph then me. He was super hedgy on me and contradicted what he thought of geript at points.
His read progressions on hat feel flawed to a poin, goes from a decent sized acum read to a town read.
Like maybe rits right about ceph Marv did push him a good bit even after wile was found out. He would be in danger of getting lynched the next day especially with his attitude.
Even his palmar interactions seem strange to me. Bad idea to read his filte ri think.
just have to read jats filter again and palmar and see what I can find
That's the problem. One of Marvs strengths as scum is that he doesn't leave connections with anyone when he gets lynched. When I read his filter yesterday or the day before I also came to the conclusion that it doesn't really tell us that much.
His read progression on damdred could be mafia/mafia - I think I explained that more than enough. But it also makes sense to agree with him trying to clear geript if geript is his partner. His push on Cephiro wasn't strong enough to clear him (although I think marv might have stpped playing earlier if he was mafia with cephiro - not sure on it though). Basically every one of damdred, geript, palmar and cephiro could be mafia with marv.
To the underlined: where did you get that from? I do not recall marv wanting to lynch geript or you at all. He wanted to kill cephiro or me and then stopped playing as far as I recall it.
To the bolded: Of course it's flawed. I told you as much in my case on him. That's why he was obviously mafia.
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On September 24 2015 22:31 Damdred wrote:
Don't do that jat near the end of his filter Marv says
I'd probably lynch geript first but id reverse ceph and damdred in your list and lynch ceroh over damdred.
But he was going pretty 50/50 on me keeping options open meh
No, he doesn't?! I think you are misunderstanding the post where he answers me.
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He agrees with me about geript being the LEAST scummy. And he wants to lynch ceph before you while he doesn't say where he would put you while he substitutes himself with me behind cephiro.
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On September 24 2015 22:52 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 19:54 marvellosity wrote:On September 18 2015 19:52 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 19:50 marvellosity wrote:On September 18 2015 19:49 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 19:46 marvellosity wrote:
alright, you're god, these other players are trash, you're obviously right about everything because you're so awesome etc.
srsly enough of this one. I am not saying anything like that. Those are just the facts. If Palmar and me both think you are mafia it means something. But sure, we can stop this so you can start figuring out that it basically has to be damdred/cephiro or maybe geript if it's not you. Palmar hedging/waffling on me/suggesting it's possible i'm mafia means absolutely nothing. figure it out yourself my love. I already said my part. I think geript is the least likely. Damdred probably the most likely followed by you and cephiro. I would lynch Cephiro above Damdred fo sho. And we agree on geript. fiddle you/me, and voila. I just misremembered this post since it said it agreed with you on geript which I'm curious what changed exactly between here and now to take geript from least likely to top scum by a mile? Its not like his d1 or 2 was super town to most anyway?
It's not by a mile but yes, I want to lynch him the most. The reason for the change is that earlier in the game I read his wrongness and multiple dumbtells as towny (the more calculated as mafia argument) but now he is just overdoing it and I am not buying it anymore.
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On September 24 2015 22:53 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2015 22:45 Palmar wrote:
I would probably not try to rely too much on marv's filter to make reads. I agree with this also there's a lot of wifom in there
Yes.
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On September 24 2015 23:12 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2015 22:52 Damdred wrote:On September 18 2015 19:54 marvellosity wrote:On September 18 2015 19:52 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 19:50 marvellosity wrote:On September 18 2015 19:49 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2015 19:46 marvellosity wrote:
alright, you're god, these other players are trash, you're obviously right about everything because you're so awesome etc.
srsly enough of this one. I am not saying anything like that. Those are just the facts. If Palmar and me both think you are mafia it means something. But sure, we can stop this so you can start figuring out that it basically has to be damdred/cephiro or maybe geript if it's not you. Palmar hedging/waffling on me/suggesting it's possible i'm mafia means absolutely nothing. figure it out yourself my love. I already said my part. I think geript is the least likely. Damdred probably the most likely followed by you and cephiro. I would lynch Cephiro above Damdred fo sho. And we agree on geript. fiddle you/me, and voila. I just misremembered this post since it said it agreed with you on geript which I'm curious what changed exactly between here and now to take geript from least likely to top scum by a mile? Its not like his d1 or 2 was super town to most anyway? It's not by a mile but yes, I want to lynch him the most. The reason for the change is that earlier in the game I read his wrongness and multiple dumbtells as towny (the more calculated as mafia argument) but now he is just overdoing it and I am not buying it anymore.
Like I made this argument very early in the game and geript saw that he would be townread this way. Marv even jumped on this too. So he just kept acting as retarded and illogical as possible.
It sounds farfetched but it really isn't. Normally you can at least see some sort of thought process from geript even if you disagree with his logic. But there is no thought process in this game. I don't think he really explained any of his stances since his rayn push. He just wanted to lynch me for ages now without ever really saying why except for an unexplained "poe" list and without caring about other peoples opinion on me or the points brought up by them. He also doesn't care about what I am doing this game/my contributions in the slightest. He is content with calling me mafia/voting me and doing nothing else while sliding by.
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On September 24 2015 23:18 Damdred wrote:
I mean I hope you guys are right and I'm just dead wrong, but its pretty obvious that geript isn't going to really try to move the lynch off of him there might be some rumblings and maybe I'll convince him to move to ceph but I don't think it matters today..
Total wifom this situation I just can't see geript not conceding I guess.
but I hope I'm wrong and games over
I don't think any of the alive players would concede in this situation. Why would they? Mafia needs 2 mislynches and there are 5 unconfirmed people. 3 of them are really scummy (geript, damdred, cephiro) so even if the mafia is one of them he can still win the game by lynching the other 2.
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On September 24 2015 23:21 Damdred wrote:
Well geript foes the tunnel on someone and not get off it alot lately student game we were in. He even was going to fake a red check on Yamato when yam was being pretty towny so that's null at worse meh.
Yes, but there usually is a thought process. There is none here. I just lynched mafia marv. Does geript care? NOPE. JAT is still mafia.
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This post is a perfect description of geripts play this game:
On September 23 2015 02:55 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2015 02:50 justanothertownie wrote:On September 23 2015 02:48 geript wrote:
A summary of Jat's play today:
Pushes people while ignoring evidence to the contrary. This sentence doesn't even make sense. Must be hard for you to understand such a simple concept. But I'll use small words so everyone can understand. 1. You say you don't see how X can be town 2. It gets explained to you multiple ways 3. You continue to push X. I'll make it really simple. It's a classic scum tactic to ignore evidence that isn't favorable (oops a big word... It means 'good') for their ability to win.
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He just invents reasons to call people mafia. He did it with Palmar day1, he did it with me today. He wants to lynch me because of rayn of all people. When rayn was the one calling me almost definitely town while all you other idiots said I might be scum.
Tell me, why does a townie do this shit?
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On September 24 2015 23:29 Damdred wrote:
Lynching mafia Marv is nai here though he just pushed in his chips with no extra info.
Tgere are better things to point to. And no sometimes geript doesn't have trains of thoughts and he does have some on you if I agree or disagree that's not important.
but if geript needs 2 lynches he's not escaping this one so what's the plan
It's not like geript can magically escape this one just because he is mafia.
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Like, if I am wrong and geript is choosing to play this way as town then I have 0 problems mislynching him for it. He would fuck up or get lynched in LYLO anyways.
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On September 24 2015 23:36 geript wrote:
If everyone's so convinced I'm mafia, how about this. How about everyone not bother reading tomorrow and just lynch JAT?
Or maybe not because I am not mafia and for people who have even half a brain this should be very obvious by now.
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On September 24 2015 23:42 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2015 17:37 Palmar wrote:Geript's analysis calling me town has literally 0 reasons to call me town in it, On September 24 2015 13:17 geript wrote:
So for why Palmar is town.
When Marv/Palmar are mafia together, I've always seen them confirm each other and work to utilize their thread capability with each other. You know, they use their names and ability to push to get people lynched; often they'll push two people and consolidate on one. It's basically how Marv operates with any vet who can control a thread in the slightest. This is semi-true. Generally marv figures out my alignment (especially when I'm being useful like this game). I sometimes figure him out (and I have been trying lately to be less waffly), but most of the time (I think) I waffle on him for a long time until we lynch mafia together. Like historically that has been the point where I start trusting marv. This sentence is just an introduction to a (directionless) point geript is making. Nothing in here suggests anything about my alignment, one way or the other. On September 24 2015 13:17 geript wrote:
But Marv was happy to not coordinate with Palmar and vice versa. He basically avoided talking to me too much. He just wasn't there very much. In hindsight I should've thought more about it, but I guess knowing he was actually in real life afk (we're co-hosts of another game and he let me know) I gave him some leeway on activity/interactiveness. What's important here is that this is (in hindsight) very revealing about marv's alignment, but says absolutely nothing about mine. I always do my own shit if I feel I need to, and I'll do it no matter my alignment. On September 24 2015 13:17 geript wrote:Marv seconded my early read on Palmar (although not to the same extent) and was happy to remove the townreads on him (or try); Again, this makes marv mafia, it says nothing about my alignment. (He has to call me town as mafia) On September 24 2015 13:17 geript wrote:Palmar was happy to question Marv from D2.
This is the only thing that says anything about my alignment. So let's summarize geript's reasons for why I'm town down to: "Palmar was happy to question Marv from D2" That's really the only thing in there that makes me town. It is, of course, correct, but I don't think it's a particularly insightful way of calling me town. I feel like this piece is more of a conclusion -> evidence process than evidence -> conclusion. No you're flat out wrong. There are two ways to read people. 1. By waht they do. 2. By what they don't do. Best example of a recent game where you were scum was Ver's game. Palmar and Marv were both mafia and I was traitor. Palmar and Marv were both happy to call each other town and use that to direct town KP and direct lynches. The point about Marv not treating Palmar like confirmed town (and even trying to prevent such) shows that his alignment is the same as Palmar's. It's actually a very clever read and I'm rather proud of it.
No, they were not happy to call each other town. In fact marv called Palmar mafia for his retarded push on Sandro which ultimately lost us the fucking game.
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On September 24 2015 23:45 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2015 23:38 justanothertownie wrote:On September 24 2015 23:36 geript wrote:
If everyone's so convinced I'm mafia, how about this. How about everyone not bother reading tomorrow and just lynch JAT? Or maybe not because I am not mafia and for people who have even half a brain this should be very obvious by now. Nope. Don't be a pussy scum. You're 100% sold that I'm mafia. So agree to get lynched at LYLO. I'm even agreeing to be lynched first. Literally just lynch JAT. He does not care about trying to see if who he's lynching is any alignment. He's literally shit all over every reason (which has been many good reasons) for why I'm town. Palmar made the argument that I'm taking the "path of least resistence" for me considering previous reads. Which is an understandable PoV. The problem with that argument, is that it's exactly the same for JAT.
I am not 100 % sold and I said as much a few posts ago. But there are 0 good reasons to think you are town.
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On September 24 2015 23:47 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2015 23:44 justanothertownie wrote:On September 24 2015 23:42 geript wrote:On September 24 2015 17:37 Palmar wrote:Geript's analysis calling me town has literally 0 reasons to call me town in it, On September 24 2015 13:17 geript wrote:
So for why Palmar is town.
When Marv/Palmar are mafia together, I've always seen them confirm each other and work to utilize their thread capability with each other. You know, they use their names and ability to push to get people lynched; often they'll push two people and consolidate on one. It's basically how Marv operates with any vet who can control a thread in the slightest. This is semi-true. Generally marv figures out my alignment (especially when I'm being useful like this game). I sometimes figure him out (and I have been trying lately to be less waffly), but most of the time (I think) I waffle on him for a long time until we lynch mafia together. Like historically that has been the point where I start trusting marv. This sentence is just an introduction to a (directionless) point geript is making. Nothing in here suggests anything about my alignment, one way or the other. On September 24 2015 13:17 geript wrote:
But Marv was happy to not coordinate with Palmar and vice versa. He basically avoided talking to me too much. He just wasn't there very much. In hindsight I should've thought more about it, but I guess knowing he was actually in real life afk (we're co-hosts of another game and he let me know) I gave him some leeway on activity/interactiveness. What's important here is that this is (in hindsight) very revealing about marv's alignment, but says absolutely nothing about mine. I always do my own shit if I feel I need to, and I'll do it no matter my alignment. On September 24 2015 13:17 geript wrote:Marv seconded my early read on Palmar (although not to the same extent) and was happy to remove the townreads on him (or try); Again, this makes marv mafia, it says nothing about my alignment. (He has to call me town as mafia) On September 24 2015 13:17 geript wrote:Palmar was happy to question Marv from D2.
This is the only thing that says anything about my alignment. So let's summarize geript's reasons for why I'm town down to: "Palmar was happy to question Marv from D2" That's really the only thing in there that makes me town. It is, of course, correct, but I don't think it's a particularly insightful way of calling me town. I feel like this piece is more of a conclusion -> evidence process than evidence -> conclusion. No you're flat out wrong. There are two ways to read people. 1. By waht they do. 2. By what they don't do. Best example of a recent game where you were scum was Ver's game. Palmar and Marv were both mafia and I was traitor. Palmar and Marv were both happy to call each other town and use that to direct town KP and direct lynches. The point about Marv not treating Palmar like confirmed town (and even trying to prevent such) shows that his alignment is the same as Palmar's. It's actually a very clever read and I'm rather proud of it. No, they were not happy to call each other town. In fact marv called Palmar mafia for his retarded push on Sandro which ultimately lost us the fucking game. No. The sandroba push was not what lost the game. It was BM and You doing stupid shit with your excess KP. Palmar's Sandro push didn't come until later in D1. The early game however, they were happy to townread each other. Not only that; Marv did the exact opposite here. So check yourself before you wreck yourself bitch.
Wrong.
I did not use my excess KP before day2 when Palmar was dead and we had already made up our minds to concede. Marv called Palmar mafia before that. Palmars death lost us the game because he was the bluesniping role and all the blue roles claimed.
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On September 24 2015 23:49 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2015 23:46 justanothertownie wrote:On September 24 2015 23:45 geript wrote:On September 24 2015 23:38 justanothertownie wrote:On September 24 2015 23:36 geript wrote:
If everyone's so convinced I'm mafia, how about this. How about everyone not bother reading tomorrow and just lynch JAT? Or maybe not because I am not mafia and for people who have even half a brain this should be very obvious by now. Nope. Don't be a pussy scum. You're 100% sold that I'm mafia. So agree to get lynched at LYLO. I'm even agreeing to be lynched first. Literally just lynch JAT. He does not care about trying to see if who he's lynching is any alignment. He's literally shit all over every reason (which has been many good reasons) for why I'm town. Palmar made the argument that I'm taking the "path of least resistence" for me considering previous reads. Which is an understandable PoV. The problem with that argument, is that it's exactly the same for JAT. I am not 100 % sold and I said as much a few posts ago. But there are 0 good reasons to think you are town. And there are even fewer reasons to think someone who will 100% spam the thread and out post people, who will be more than willing to bus players who won't be able to keep up and will get lynched regardless is town too. So eat a dick scum. Deal with it. They should and will lynch you next.
I will never be lynched this game and there is nothing you can do about it regardless of if you are mafia or just retarded.
:p
The fact that I can spam up the thread says nothing about my alignment and if you knew the slightest bit about my mafia play you would know that I can't stand bussing at all.
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On September 24 2015 23:52 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2015 17:35 justanothertownie wrote:On September 24 2015 08:27 Damdred wrote:
Ok so, this is a bit wifom argument to a degree but I think its correct.
More than likely geript is going to be lynched today with an outside shot of me. I believe geript is town and I know I'm town. Here's the reasons I think geript is town.
1) A real lack of a drive to survive. If he's scum he needs to get a mislynch to get into mylo and then another to win the game. The obvious play here is to push either Damdred or Ceph today. Instead he takes the much more suicidal way of going about the voting he tackles jat.
2) Building on that Geeipt has one person who thinks he has a shot of not being scum here (me). And I don't have the thread presence to save him obviously so what's the play? Poke at what most consider town jat and hope you get ignored?
While this is somewhat nai and a bit of conjecture I don't believe geript would do this as scum he would more than likely start pushing ver or myself to get into a winnable situation. And its not where he's at or where he's going.
Besides that he has been incredibly wrong this game has had 0 impact on the lynch and just doesn't care as much and I see this coming from a more town aligned geript.
Its a lot of feelings and what I expect from geript but id he's just going to suicide he would just concede probably. The reason to do what he is doing is exactly this. People calling him town for it. To the bolded: and that's why you do not do this. If he is the last mafia pushing for the easy lynches will get him scumread. His only chance of winning is being townread enough to survive today which he thinks he can achieve by being retarded and irrelevant again. On September 24 2015 13:17 geript wrote:
So for why Palmar is town.
When Marv/Palmar are mafia together, I've always seen them confirm each other and work to utilize their thread capability with each other. You know, they use their names and ability to push to get people lynched; often they'll push two people and consolidate on one. It's basically how Marv operates with any vet who can control a thread in the slightest. But Marv was happy to not coordinate with Palmar and vice versa. Marv seconded my early read on Palmar (although not to the same extent) and was happy to remove the townreads on him (or try); Palmar was happy to question Marv from D2.
I'm town for lots of reasons:
1. Mod confirmed on N1 when I blew up on Ceph.
2. Gave power to Marv. I'm good at mafia; but I don't think I'm good enough to simulate my town game by just sheeping (scumbuddy) Marv. I'd pull a Kita and just be less active while trying to be pushy.
3. I've been super wrong. I think I made 1 comment on thinking Wile was scum and it wasn't even fleshed out. As scum, I bother to be at least partially right. I dont' push it, but I at least bother to save room in case my partners are complete fucking retards and I have to hard carry another game.
4. Zero fucks given. I can't think of a single scum game where I've given zero fucks. I think I actually try harder as mafia than as town on average because it's just more fun.
5. I've been in no way reasonable the entire game. When have I been scum and not been at least reasonably reasonable?
6. JAT can suck my big hairy town balls.
7. Because I'd just kill Scott and not risk it. Also, i wouldn't have rb'd Koshi. Like I have really solid NKs; I lost a game because Rayn modkilled himself and I deferred to Palmar for NKs even though I knew mine were better (and would've won us the game btw). There's literally no reason for me to kill Koshi over Scott. On the other hand, there's every reason for JAT to kill him to shut him up because JAT will just try to spam his way to victory
8. I'M FUCKING MODCONFIRMED. HOW CAN DECONDUO BE SURE IF i'M FUCKING STRESSED IF I'M FUCKING SCUM????
9. Because I don't care how I look. I haven't at all. When I'm mafia, I care to be well ahead of the "front" of the kill list line. Often, I'm leading the kill list.
10. Do I really need more.
I don't know if it's Ceph or JAT, but honestly, JAT needs to die 100% because there's no way people would lynch him in lylo and there's no way town wins then. The marv/Palmar thing is pure speculation. If marv feels Palmar isn't towny enough he will feel the need to call him mafia/not townread him - it was the same in assassination. 1. Wrong. The host will moderate this kind of post each and every time regardless who posts it. It doesn't matter if he thinks the person in question really feels this way or not. 2. WIFOM and bullshit. 3.-5. Yes, and that's why you are mafia. You do not give a fuck about being right this game. You act retardedly to not have to push something good and later you try to clear yourself by saying this shit. If it is so clear to you now that you haven't been reasonable then why the fuck were you like this in the first place and continue to be right now? 7. I have 0 fucking reason to shoot Koshi there. Koshi wanted to lynch marv above all and then Palmar. He said he would sheep my case on marv. So what you are trying to sell is that I not only did not shoot the tracker I was convinced was multi-shot (enough reason to clear me alone) but Koshi instead who would have sheeped me that day. Ok, you might argue "well, if he wants to kill marv then it makes sense to shoot him". That is true. But then why the heck am I killing him and STILL push and lynch marv? It makes absolutely no sense for me to do that. 8. See 1. 9. See 3.-5. 10. Yes, yes you do. People won't lynch me now and they also won't in LYLO because I am obviously town. Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 05:54 deconduo wrote:
Less of the aggressiveness please. I understand things can be stressful, but no need to start insulting people. What they don't do is post the underlined. The reason why is because it confirms I'm stressed (which btw, I don't get stressed as scum ever). It's called mod confirmed for a reason. This is quite literally the worst fucking post ever and JAT shoudl 100% be lynched for it.
There is no reason why your rl wouldn't stress you just because you are mafia, lol.
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On September 24 2015 23:52 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2015 23:51 justanothertownie wrote:On September 24 2015 23:49 geript wrote:On September 24 2015 23:46 justanothertownie wrote:On September 24 2015 23:45 geript wrote:On September 24 2015 23:38 justanothertownie wrote:On September 24 2015 23:36 geript wrote:
If everyone's so convinced I'm mafia, how about this. How about everyone not bother reading tomorrow and just lynch JAT? Or maybe not because I am not mafia and for people who have even half a brain this should be very obvious by now. Nope. Don't be a pussy scum. You're 100% sold that I'm mafia. So agree to get lynched at LYLO. I'm even agreeing to be lynched first. Literally just lynch JAT. He does not care about trying to see if who he's lynching is any alignment. He's literally shit all over every reason (which has been many good reasons) for why I'm town. Palmar made the argument that I'm taking the "path of least resistence" for me considering previous reads. Which is an understandable PoV. The problem with that argument, is that it's exactly the same for JAT. I am not 100 % sold and I said as much a few posts ago. But there are 0 good reasons to think you are town. And there are even fewer reasons to think someone who will 100% spam the thread and out post people, who will be more than willing to bus players who won't be able to keep up and will get lynched regardless is town too. So eat a dick scum. Deal with it. They should and will lynch you next. I will never be lynched this game and there is nothing you can do about it regardless of if you are mafia or just retarded. :p The fact that I can spam up the thread says nothing about my alignment and if you knew the slightest bit about my mafia play you would know that I can't stand bussing at all. Really you can't stand it? You do it often enough.
Nope.
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Look geript, I have 0 intention of fighting your stupid bullshit any further. I will leave work now and go afk for a while.
If you are town feel free to tell the thread why you are wrong on me or something like that. Or do something useful and give detailed reads on damdred or cephiro, you know people who could actually be mafia besides you.
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On September 24 2015 23:54 geript wrote:
Nope. RL doesn't stress out my mafia play ever. Because I"M FUCKING MAFIA. There's nothing to ever stress about there. Like if I had been mafia, I'd probably have replaced out to make sure that someone with more time could play.
Well, if that was true you are just an awful human being for favoring mafia teams over town teams. Fortunately if you are mafia you are probably lying.
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On September 25 2015 00:00 Palmar wrote:
I am 100% in favor of this plan.
Today we lynch geript and tomorrow I promise to lynch jat.
No, you don't.
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Tell me Palmar, if you think I am town - which you said earlier - why the hell do you agree to this shit? Why does lynching geript make me scum if he is town? You are better than this.
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On September 25 2015 00:04 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2015 00:02 justanothertownie wrote:
Tell me Palmar, if you think I am town - which you said earlier - why the hell do you agree to this shit? Why does lynching geript make me scum if he is town? You are better than this. lol
You never know with you.
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On September 25 2015 00:05 geript wrote:
I can't wait to roll vigi. I'm just goign to end up shooting people who annoy the fuck out of it. Like JAT. Or players who are so goddamn awful at both sides. Like JAT. Or people who post a lot but have 0 thoughts ever in their filter. Like JAT.
Who is the awful one? I called both flipped mafias mafia. You didn't. You chose to call town mafia all game so far. 0 thoughts in their filter, lol. Now you are just trolling.
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On September 25 2015 00:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2015 00:07 justanothertownie wrote:On September 25 2015 00:05 geript wrote:
I can't wait to roll vigi. I'm just goign to end up shooting people who annoy the fuck out of it. Like JAT. Or players who are so goddamn awful at both sides. Like JAT. Or people who post a lot but have 0 thoughts ever in their filter. Like JAT. Who is the awful one? I called both flipped mafias mafia. You didn't. You chose to call town mafia all game so far. 0 thoughts in their filter, lol. Now you are just trolling. I know you wanted me on your mafia team, so I tried to help you out so you could win. I knew that you needed it.
Ah, now everything makes sense finally.
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On September 25 2015 00:19 Damdred wrote:
Lol... This looks like town geript even more now I hope he flips town so I can consider his meta read as good as the one I have on ritoky.
Why on earth would 1 correct game mean your meta read is that good?
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On September 25 2015 00:22 Damdred wrote:
Though I hate how jat flies off the handle every time someone calls him scum and tries to argue them into the ground even though he thinks they are scum.
Its so pointless if he's town zzz... If he's scum ot has a point I suppose.
It is not pointless at all. There are other people in this game besides geript and when he spews bullshit ut is my duty as a townie to point it out to get him lynched.
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On September 25 2015 00:23 Damdred wrote:
You do realize that I've read geript correctly in like our past 6 games or something crazy with my new way to read him. So its just not one game
Then show us why. For having such a good read on him you do not seem very concerned about him getting lynched right now.
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On September 25 2015 00:28 Damdred wrote:
Not really you've been on the same path the whole game anyone who mentions jat as scum gets torn down and argued in the ground over some things that are legitimate.
Geript might be wrong on some things or interpreting things differently than others but... Eh its not worth it at all to turn the thread into jat trying to beat down anyone who thinks he might be scum.
so I'll go eat lunch
It absolutely is worth it and I do it as either alignment which you know so I have no idea why you even bring this up.
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On September 25 2015 00:36 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2015 00:29 justanothertownie wrote:On September 25 2015 00:23 Damdred wrote:
You do realize that I've read geript correctly in like our past 6 games or something crazy with my new way to read him. So its just not one game Then show us why. For having such a good read on him you do not seem very concerned about him getting lynched right now. I've shown you why and talked about it but its discounted so I really don't care and I hope I'm wrong and the games over but I'm pretty sure I'm right shrug. k bye
You said because he is suicidal. That cannot be your meta read.
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On September 23 2015 07:48 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2015 07:34 scott31337 wrote:
EZPZ question - Who do you want to lynch tomorrow? Irrelevant until I have information of what happens during the night. Show nested quote +On September 23 2015 07:36 Damdred wrote:
And night is the best tile to scum,hunt .. Any information available during the night is there just as much for scum as it is for town. It's a good time to re-evaluate and analyze your own reads on different people, but there's not much of a reason to share it with town unless you come up with something significant that would likely affect the way a power role would act that night. Otherwise it's best to keep things to yourself and post anything of relevance before the deadline. That combined with whatever the results of the night cycle are gives a good start for the following day to continue upon. What happens during the day is much more relevant for scumhunting than what someone says during the night in most cases. Feel free to disagree, but this is how I see it.
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On September 25 2015 05:59 ritoky wrote:
The stuff from the old mafia game was regarding night kills and some other shit. I have only been mafia with palmar once. In that game palmar basically sat around blue hunting and in the QT someone suggested some wifom kill and palmar basically said "fuck no, we're killing the claimed pr". Part of the reason I had him on the lower end of the pile this game outside of my lack of a read was simply that he was disengaged from the game around the scott kill and I thought he might have just bought the # of uses at face value and thus killed koshi instead. After reviewing that game, I have a harder time maintaining that mindset.
Outside of that, I like his play today and he seems to be the person least playing to set up a f4 (other than ceph who isn't playing). I can see potential motives in jat, I see potential motives in damdred, I see potential motives in geript. This phase I don't really see a long game from palmar....he just seems to want to lynch the person he finds scum this phase.
You are aware that scum doesn't need to set up anything, right? The remaining mafia just has to survive and does not care who else gets lynched.
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On September 25 2015 06:26 Palmar wrote:
I agree with ritoky btw, I townread me.
How confident are you in this read?
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On September 25 2015 06:28 ritoky wrote:
The more time elapses the more likely I am to lynch cephiro for being a liability.
If it was that easy.... we have 2-3 liabilities. Only one of them can be mafia.
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On September 25 2015 06:30 ritoky wrote:
also here's how palmar is town in other words jat:
my soul says damdred is mafia
my tinfoil says jat is mafia
my rage says cephiro is mafia
my head says geript is mafia
my heart remains undecided.
palmar appears on no list -> town
The thing with palmar is he could absolutely be mafia (him townreading me and being all nice is weirding me the fuck out) and your list there does not suggest otherwise. If he is he will win this game by being reasonable while a few townies just do not care about winning. But if that's the case I am fine with it. I am not fine with losing to geript or cephiro for example and if those 2 think this is acceptable townplay then well, we will lose.
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And by not fine I mean I would be fucking pissed to lose to someone playing like this.
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On September 25 2015 06:44 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 06:27 deconduo wrote:Day 1 Votecount Cephiro (3): Koshi, Onegu, marvellosity, Koshi, Palmar, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, geript MoosyDoosy (4): raynpelikoneet, Wile E. Coyote, Palmar, marvellosity, Koshi, ritokyjustanothertownie (3): Koshi, raynpelikoneet, Koshi, scott31337, Damdred, Cephiro Wile E. Coyote (1): MoosyDoosy, CephiroOnegu (1): Palmar Palmar (0): geriptmarvellosity (0): Koshi, Onegu, justanothertownie, KoshiDamdred (0): Onegugeript (0): raynpelikoneet, PalmarNot Voting (1): marvellosityVoting ends in at 21:30 GMT (+00:00). Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 06:42 deconduo wrote:Day 1 Final Votecount MoosyDoosy (5): raynpelikoneet, Wile E. Coyote, Koshi, ritoky, marvellosityjustanothertownie (4): scott31337, Damdred, Cephiro, Palmar Cephiro (3): Onegu, justanothertownie, geript Wile E. Coyote (1): MoosyDoosy like this is all that matters from my spreadsheet and i don't see much useful here. anyone else?
Maybe it makes Cephiro a little more towny that marv was sorta pushing his lynch before eod. Maybe.
But that's about it.
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On September 25 2015 06:50 ritoky wrote:
if palmar is mafia do you think he moves his vote from an afk town to a town jat there with 3 mins left?
I don't really see a reason why not. Outlier votes are generally perceived as scummy.
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On September 25 2015 07:02 ritoky wrote:idk that's just kinda bleh. last minute palm -> jat; instantly marv -> moosy. can be read as marv floating then ensuring teammate doesn't die. but if jat is mafia there with 3 mins left and risk of shennanie, i have to believe he is more self-preservationist...which makes it end up being a wash and kinda useless like i said. anyone else got any opinions on those votes or is it useless? damdred? ![[image loading]](http://www.unsolicited.guru/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/bueller.jpg)
You can ignore the self preservationist approach since I simply wasn't around. You could make the argument that I would probably have checked my phone once in a while as mafia but I also wasn't aware the deadline was :30 instead of :00.
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Not that any of this is relevant.
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Wow, such convicing. Geript many good player.
At this point I don't even care about your alignment anymore. We have to lynch you anyways because if you aren't mafia and just trash instead you will lose us the game in LYLO anyways if we miss today.
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I mean as much as I love the babyrage - if you are town and want to win this game then you need to post something of substance at some point, geript. You will just get lynched like the scrub you are otherwise.
Your contributions since the Wile lynch:
JAT is mafia (wrong) and here are the reasons for it:
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rayn said he might be mafia at some point before he changed his mind and called him almost definitely town
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Everyone else is town, even marv the most obvious mafia ever. Reasons? Fuck reasons.
You are acting like a toddler when someone takes away the pacifier.
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On September 26 2015 00:37 Damdred wrote:
Lets talk about ceph.
JAT Oalmar and Ritoky, is his last post town or mafia? Ignore geript and lets go from there for a bit
It's hard to tell. I think I will take a look at some of his other games later and see if I find something.
Why aren't you interested in geripts opinion?
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On September 26 2015 00:55 Damdred wrote:
Which opinion that you are scum?
Firstly I think there's a chance he's right, but I think there's a chance palm could be scum to. I would much rather geript play today and five town the best chance idk why he doesn't understand that going out this way if you are scum is the opposite way.
But I don't think today is the day to look at the hat/palmar.
Yes, but why aren't you interested in geripts opinion on that cephiro post? Is the fact that he just went into nonsensical tunnel mode absolving him from contributing or what?
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Cause let me tell you what this looks like:
If you are mafia your 2 mislynches are geript and cephiro. No doubt about it. Now you want the remaining players opinion on cephiro while we are lynching geript. You do not care about his opinion since he'll likely be dead tomorrow. If you are town you should be interested in his opinion as much as in ours, yes?
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On September 26 2015 01:01 Damdred wrote:
It doesn't absolve him no, but it looks more like town feript than scum geript. And I know that I won't be able to get a real opinion out of him at this point when he's like this.
Well he gave a somewhat opinion but meh
Show me.
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And you still owe me a detailed explanation why you think this is towngeript apart from his play being suicidal.
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On September 26 2015 01:07 Damdred wrote:
Jat I've explained it in my filter across the whole thing.
1) magical reads
2) lack of thread orescense
3) no endgame plan
4) tunnels
5) who he attacks
6) suicidal
7) tone
That's basically what makes him town in short.
Secondly his somewhat opinion is if you aren't acum than ceph is.
This somewhat opinion is completely irrelevant for the question you asked.
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On September 26 2015 01:12 Damdred wrote:
I don't see how its irrelevant at all.
You want peoples opinion on that post. Geript at some points says Cephiro would be his #2 lynch. That is no opinion on that post.
Where am I wrong?
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On September 26 2015 01:38 Damdred wrote:
Its not irrelevant because it tells me what I need to know from geript. He won't move, he's town and he's going to die today.
So any form of opinion be it what I wanted or another one is fine to me. Because I won't get anything else.
Why are you so sure he is going to die today? You strongly think he is town. Why the fuck are you not trying to convince us to lynch some else (probably cephiro) instead? I doesn't feel like you are very sad about him getting lynched.
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I was about to ask you who you would lynch if geript was off the table. What do you think about damdreds defense of geript? Is he just wrong? He seems pretty convinced.
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On September 26 2015 01:43 Damdred wrote:
There is no convincing you or palmar.
You never know unless your try.
And you also suck unless you try. If you are town you cannot complain later should you be right.
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On September 26 2015 01:50 Damdred wrote:
I have tried its just what it is. Palmar doesn't want to look at others or consider and you are about as tunneled as geript is.
My reads and defense of geript are in the thread its what it is. And I don't feel like hiring a brick wall atm
So if you are town you don't feel like winning the game. Got it.
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On September 26 2015 01:52 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 01:45 justanothertownie wrote:
I was about to ask you who you would lynch if geript was off the table. What do you think about damdreds defense of geript? Is he just wrong? He seems pretty convinced. He could be wrong, and he could be right. I am in no way certain geript is scum, it's just by far the most likely. I don't think it's scummy from damdred at all.
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On September 26 2015 01:56 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 01:49 Palmar wrote:
Explain to me why geript said way back on day 1 that I was being serious and called me mafia for it when it was not true.
Explain why geript blew up on cephiro (remember, not that much before that I had given him a "maybe not mafia" read mostly because he was being nice).
Explain why geript is mad at jat for being wrong and bad when he also thinks jat is mafia in which case jat is being GOOD and not bad.
Explain why geript claimed on.... day 3? that he was doing everything he could with his little time, when in reality he spent the previous 2 days talking about dicks.
I'll listen damdred, but I'm not going to change my mind on a tonal "he sounds like town" thing. Firstly this isn't a tonal thing this is just an overarching game play thing with a mixture of meta thrown in. 1) Mistakes happen, I can't really explain it tbh geript has to answer this himself and I can't speak to how people feel about another. 2) Geeipt blows up as either alignment kinda a nai type thing and he blows up on whoever is in his path 3) idk just seems nai I understand not wanting to lose to it though. I just don't think it makes him scum. (this one about dicks) 4) This is worrying but it comes from town geript more than scum geeipt. Last newb game we played he did the same thing to Yamato and kels over misunderstanding and bad tunnels.
How does a mistake like that happen? How can geript call someone mafia for something that never happened? How can he say there is 0 analysis in my filter?
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On September 26 2015 02:01 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 01:54 justanothertownie wrote:On September 26 2015 01:52 Palmar wrote:On September 26 2015 01:45 justanothertownie wrote:
I was about to ask you who you would lynch if geript was off the table. What do you think about damdreds defense of geript? Is he just wrong? He seems pretty convinced. He could be wrong, and he could be right. I am in no way certain geript is scum, it's just by far the most likely. I don't think it's scummy from damdred at all. :/ I am just going to assume this smiley means "tell me more about why it isn't scummy Palmar". I'm mostly assuming that because it's a pretty clever reason. If damdred is mafia I expect one of two things to be his play here. 1) Take the "easy" lynch and run with it. Just vote geript, rehash some reasons given by others and watch him die. 2) Really push against the lynch and call people bad/stupid for maximum cred. But instead what he's doing is 3) sort of defend him and give reasons, while also resigning to the fact that he might just get lynched anyway. I'm not saying it's impossible he's mafia because of this, it's just that he has chosen a very specific and strange path to behave about it if he is.
Ok, but what if he goes 2)? He might succeed and we are lynching cephiro instead. Now he is backed in a corner because he can never lynch geript. That's not very clever. Better to disagree with the lynch while still letting it happen.
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Like, mafia damdred is in the ideal position if we mislynch geript today. He can just say "told ya" and keep pushing cephiro for the win later.
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On September 26 2015 02:06 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 02:03 justanothertownie wrote:On September 26 2015 02:01 Palmar wrote:On September 26 2015 01:54 justanothertownie wrote:On September 26 2015 01:52 Palmar wrote:On September 26 2015 01:45 justanothertownie wrote:
I was about to ask you who you would lynch if geript was off the table. What do you think about damdreds defense of geript? Is he just wrong? He seems pretty convinced. He could be wrong, and he could be right. I am in no way certain geript is scum, it's just by far the most likely. I don't think it's scummy from damdred at all. :/ I am just going to assume this smiley means "tell me more about why it isn't scummy Palmar". I'm mostly assuming that because it's a pretty clever reason. If damdred is mafia I expect one of two things to be his play here. 1) Take the "easy" lynch and run with it. Just vote geript, rehash some reasons given by others and watch him die. 2) Really push against the lynch and call people bad/stupid for maximum cred. But instead what he's doing is 3) sort of defend him and give reasons, while also resigning to the fact that he might just get lynched anyway. I'm not saying it's impossible he's mafia because of this, it's just that he has chosen a very specific and strange path to behave about it if he is. Ok, but what if he goes 2)? He might succeed and we are lynching cephiro instead. Now he is backed in a corner because he can never lynch geript. That's not very clever. Better to disagree with the lynch while still letting it happen. well in that case his target would have to be you (which sorta might fit). If geript survives in that would even mean damdred has at least one very likely "ally".Hell, if damdred is mafia, his optimal play (if possible) is to defend geript and lynch ceph, shoot me, then let ritoky and geript tinfoil lynch you.
That's actually a great point. But I really don't see the shot on you. And I also don't see ritoky mislynching me ever.
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I sorta feel like we absolutely need to kill one of geript and cephiro today. Potentially going into LYLO with both lynchbaity players still alive seems like a nightmare.
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The problem is though - if geript is not mafia and we mislynch someone else today then we are utterly fucked. Because geript will not suddenly grow a brain or put any thought into the game if that is the case. He will still be useless and vote me which might very well lose us the game since mafia just has to do the same and it is game over.
Not being able to nolynch is goddamn retarded btw. 2 votes are still enough to lynch someone.
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On September 26 2015 02:55 geript wrote:
Why in the fuck should I or anyone care about what Ceph says. Palmar is town. Damdred is town. Voila. Ezpz. It's the most auto thing ever. You lynch JAT/Ceph and one of them is scum. You lynch JAT first because he'll 100% wiggle out at lylo. There's only 6 people. Ritoky is confirmed. Why the fuck are people trying to find scum instead of town. It's fucking retarded.
Also JAT has asked why I'm town like 4 times today. It's been explained 4 times. Do you guys really think he's some mentally retarded player to need it that often? Like he's clearly mentally deficient but I'd expect his iq is 70-80. Like wtf?
Well, I guess you are an expert in this field so you have to be right.
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But cool. I made my decision. Today geript dies and if he isn't mafia and just an asshole/trashtier player I will figure this out in LYLO. I will not tolerate this kind of play in my town.
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On September 26 2015 03:05 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 03:04 justanothertownie wrote:
But cool. I made my decision. Today geript dies and if he isn't mafia and just an asshole/trashtier player I will figure this out in LYLO. I will not tolerate this kind of play in my town. Course you don't scum
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You should be careful about accusing other people of certain things when you aren't even able to talk in your own language dude :p
That's the last post I am wasting by talking to you.
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On September 26 2015 03:10 Damdred wrote:
Yeah geripts mad town.
Here's the thing geeipt, lets say you get lynched here no way ever jat gets lynched in lylo. If you don't get lynched palmar and I at least listen rationally. And can make a decent decision or look at others.
what's the better option lynched jat has 0 chance of lynch or take out ceph and have people listen to cases in lylo.
That won't help. The guy hasn't made a rational argument all game.
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That post is better than I expected :/
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On September 26 2015 03:30 Cephiro wrote:
Friendly reminder that no-one out of the remaining players except for ritoky voted for Moosy, so you're not really alone in that sense (even though I'll give you credit for being correct on that read.)
Rayns push on moosy was so obviously awful noone should get any credit for that. But if we are talking about it anyways - hey, who was the one fighting rayn about it? Yes, it was me. Does geript care? No. Because I obviously did no analysis all game.
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On September 26 2015 03:40 Cephiro wrote:
Like I more than well understand geript's frustration because while you have a lot of valid points and good things in your filter, there's just so fucking much unnecessary shit it makes it a pain reading through your filter and doing it properly takes forever.
That's not what geript is saying. Geript is saying I am mafia for not having any analysis in there when I probably did the most analysis out of everyone in this fucking game while all he did for days and days now is call me mafia without providing any reasons as to why. No, regardless of his alignment his frustration isn't understandable in the slightest and his read certainly isn't either. And combined they make even less sense because if I am mafia then I am playing pretty well and will probably win the game.
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On September 26 2015 03:50 ritoky wrote:
hey everybody. sorry for being gone so long, sometimes stuff gets in the way.
It's cool. Will you be availabe now? We could need an unbiased perspective here.
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On September 26 2015 03:52 ritoky wrote:
yeah, i am reading the 10-12 pages i was gone for.
You mean the 4 pages.
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On September 26 2015 03:54 Damdred wrote:
I'll try to condense
1) I don't think you can call what I did d1 talking shit about jat?
2) Lesding up to a lynch I never as town or scum really push anyone up until hour 12 left or later that's when the real wagons take off. And that's what happens.
3) your interactions with Marv and his with you aren't as concrete as people make them out to be.
4) I've explained my geript read multiple times at this point so ceph isn't reading
5) I focus on whoever I want to when I'm most suspicious. Jat looked townier d3 when I came back then he did before oh well. I'll have to look at him in lylo which will be a headache.
Overall I guess the post isn't bad but a lot of it if any doesn't make me mafia. He's calling me scum for reacting to the same situation differently over time. There's only so much cred on a wagon initially then fucking off leaves doubts its just how it works.
I really don't care if I get lynched meh.
Yes, yes you absolutely can. I don't think I will lynch cephiro today after those posts.
It's between geript and damdred. And I really cba suffering through another day of geript being alive so for me to change my vote there has to be a damn good reason to.
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On September 26 2015 04:01 Damdred wrote:
I didn't talk shit about you d1 you didn't do anything d1
We had this already. I will not repeat myself.
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On September 26 2015 04:02 ritoky wrote:
jat bitched and moaned for about 40 hours of day 1 about how everything everyone said was crap.
Your point?
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On September 26 2015 04:05 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 04:02 justanothertownie wrote:On September 26 2015 04:02 ritoky wrote:
jat bitched and moaned for about 40 hours of day 1 about how everything everyone said was crap. Your point? idk i know i talked shit on you d1 about it, dunno why he cares. it was reasonable to talk shit on you about it during the first bit.
Yes, but at that point I really hadn't done much. Damdred never changed his mind even though I put in a considerable amount of effort before I left on lynch day.
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Then who is mafia damdred?
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You just said you could see town ceph making those posts.
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On September 26 2015 04:27 Damdred wrote:
Idk maybe I'll indulsge geript and vote you
lol
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On September 26 2015 04:28 Cephiro wrote:
Palmar, if you're around you should do something more productive. You've once again pointed out your opinion today well enough, but it doesn't look like you actually care about what's happening. (You're not really trying to make anything happen even if you've said what you'd like to happen, and I'd expect you to be trying to make it happen instead of just hoping it happens.)
Or if you're not up for taking responsibility, join me in voting Damdred for today's lynch.
^
Very fair point.
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On September 26 2015 04:31 Damdred wrote:
Its great being in a game where people can't read you hehe
I fail to see what's great about that in the slightest or what the point of this post is.
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On September 26 2015 04:46 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 04:29 justanothertownie wrote:On September 26 2015 04:28 Cephiro wrote:
Palmar, if you're around you should do something more productive. You've once again pointed out your opinion today well enough, but it doesn't look like you actually care about what's happening. (You're not really trying to make anything happen even if you've said what you'd like to happen, and I'd expect you to be trying to make it happen instead of just hoping it happens.)
Or if you're not up for taking responsibility, join me in voting Damdred for today's lynch. ^ Very fair point. Why do you think this is a fair point?
Because it is true?!
On September 26 2015 04:41 ritoky wrote:
3) Mechanically bad play. If there's 1 thing geript is triggered by as town it is mechanically bad play. Last phase he was playing with a mindset of a world of 1, which was just mechanically wrong. I pointed it out to him multiple times and he did probably nothing with it. He was right about marv, but wrong about the world of 1. I don't think he would tolerate his own mindset if he was town.
err? Geript never ever said marv is mafia.
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On September 26 2015 04:55 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 04:54 justanothertownie wrote:On September 26 2015 04:46 Palmar wrote:On September 26 2015 04:29 justanothertownie wrote:On September 26 2015 04:28 Cephiro wrote:
Palmar, if you're around you should do something more productive. You've once again pointed out your opinion today well enough, but it doesn't look like you actually care about what's happening. (You're not really trying to make anything happen even if you've said what you'd like to happen, and I'd expect you to be trying to make it happen instead of just hoping it happens.)
Or if you're not up for taking responsibility, join me in voting Damdred for today's lynch. ^ Very fair point. Why do you think this is a fair point? Because it is true?! Which part, specifically is true?
That you seem content with just chilling and letting things happen today. You made it clear you want geript lynched and didn't do much/talk about much besides that.
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On September 26 2015 04:57 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 04:54 justanothertownie wrote:On September 26 2015 04:46 Palmar wrote:On September 26 2015 04:29 justanothertownie wrote:On September 26 2015 04:28 Cephiro wrote:
Palmar, if you're around you should do something more productive. You've once again pointed out your opinion today well enough, but it doesn't look like you actually care about what's happening. (You're not really trying to make anything happen even if you've said what you'd like to happen, and I'd expect you to be trying to make it happen instead of just hoping it happens.)
Or if you're not up for taking responsibility, join me in voting Damdred for today's lynch. ^ Very fair point. Why do you think this is a fair point? Because it is true?! On September 26 2015 04:41 ritoky wrote:
3) Mechanically bad play. If there's 1 thing geript is triggered by as town it is mechanically bad play. Last phase he was playing with a mindset of a world of 1, which was just mechanically wrong. I pointed it out to him multiple times and he did probably nothing with it. He was right about marv, but wrong about the world of 1. I don't think he would tolerate his own mindset if he was town.
err? Geript never ever said marv is mafia. yeah you're right. got confused. he said you were the world of 1. lack of sleep.
Exactly. We lynched Wile and then geript suddenly was convinced I was mafia and hasn't delivered a reason for it ever since except for "everyone else is town (unreasoned)" and "rayn said so at some point".
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He also never reevaluated even though he really should have after I lynched his townread marv who flipped fucking mafia.
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On September 26 2015 05:03 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 05:01 justanothertownie wrote:
He also never reevaluated even though he really should have after I lynched his townread marv who flipped fucking mafia. yeah but you've also seen geript as town hold onto some dumpster read all game and never re-evaluate it ever for lord knows what reason. don't tell me you haven't.
Sure, but doesn't he generally have an at least semilogical reason for his read which he tries to shove down everyones throat repeatedly? He does not here.
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On September 26 2015 05:05 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 04:57 justanothertownie wrote:On September 26 2015 04:55 Palmar wrote:On September 26 2015 04:54 justanothertownie wrote:On September 26 2015 04:46 Palmar wrote:On September 26 2015 04:29 justanothertownie wrote:On September 26 2015 04:28 Cephiro wrote:
Palmar, if you're around you should do something more productive. You've once again pointed out your opinion today well enough, but it doesn't look like you actually care about what's happening. (You're not really trying to make anything happen even if you've said what you'd like to happen, and I'd expect you to be trying to make it happen instead of just hoping it happens.)
Or if you're not up for taking responsibility, join me in voting Damdred for today's lynch. ^ Very fair point. Why do you think this is a fair point? Because it is true?! Which part, specifically is true? That you seem content with just chilling and letting things happen today. You made it clear you want geript lynched and didn't do much/talk about much besides that. geript is leading the vote, so yes I'm okay with letting things happen. I talked about damdred and gave a very clever insightful reason about his defense of geript. I talked about you and sort of decided to not call you mafia. The last part I'm feeling less sure on because you copied a post from cephiro that is at best misguided and just randomly agreed with it but idk if it means anything.
"At best misguided"? Explain.
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On September 26 2015 05:08 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 05:05 justanothertownie wrote:On September 26 2015 05:03 ritoky wrote:On September 26 2015 05:01 justanothertownie wrote:
He also never reevaluated even though he really should have after I lynched his townread marv who flipped fucking mafia. yeah but you've also seen geript as town hold onto some dumpster read all game and never re-evaluate it ever for lord knows what reason. don't tell me you haven't. Sure, but doesn't he generally have an at least semilogical reason for his read which he tries to shove down everyones throat repeatedly? He does not here. I think you're slightly colored bias because the read is on you. I think that of his read on you the more concerning parts are his no read on onegu -> onegu was def mafia after shot or the world of 1 and it's JAT. Not necessarily the reasoning behind it or the lack of re-evaluate. He claims a magical unexplained read on WoS every game they are in together and hardly ever changes it over the course of a game and from my experience is wrong as much as he is right.
Yes, for people he thinks he can read. But he does not think he can read me so you would expect him to have a reason, no? He said multiple times this game that he can't read me for shit.
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On September 26 2015 05:08 Palmar wrote:
like there's literally a chance that everyone except me and ritoky can be mafia, and I hate not having anyone 100% going to flip town.
I think Damdred is town
jat _should_ be town based on activity/willingness to try, but he has a bunch of warning flags.
ceph I have no idea. I'm almost entirely sheeping my day 1 read of his reaction to koshi, and just as much I am sheeping my day 1 read on geript where he called me mafia for made up reasons.
Like I'm definitely not sure, but no, i'm not going to lynch damdred today, I'm not even going to bother re-evaluating him because he's the closest thing to a townread I have on you guys.
I don't see the damdred townread at all.
I thought cephiros big post earlier seemes pretty damn towny. You disagree?
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On September 26 2015 05:13 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 05:11 justanothertownie wrote:On September 26 2015 05:08 Palmar wrote:
like there's literally a chance that everyone except me and ritoky can be mafia, and I hate not having anyone 100% going to flip town.
I think Damdred is town
jat _should_ be town based on activity/willingness to try, but he has a bunch of warning flags.
ceph I have no idea. I'm almost entirely sheeping my day 1 read of his reaction to koshi, and just as much I am sheeping my day 1 read on geript where he called me mafia for made up reasons.
Like I'm definitely not sure, but no, i'm not going to lynch damdred today, I'm not even going to bother re-evaluating him because he's the closest thing to a townread I have on you guys. I don't see the damdred townread at all. I thought cephiros big post earlier seemes pretty damn towny. You disagree? Haven't read it yet
-_-
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On September 26 2015 05:23 ritoky wrote:
i currently am 65/45 in favor of lynching geript.
the 45 being split in an undisclosed way between damdred and jat.
Good. I am not lynching anyone but geript/damdred anyways.
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On September 26 2015 05:31 Palmar wrote:
Like I know your vote is on geript, but you seem quite willing to go after damdred.
And yes, that ceph post sounds sorta townie.
Yes. Gut says damdred head say geript basically. Damdred doesn't seem interested in lynching mafia today. Geript on the other hand shouldn't be town for what he did this game. And there is the strong desire to get rid of him because I have 0 motivation to put up with his shit in case we miss.
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Damn it cephiro. Where has this effort been all game? :/
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On September 26 2015 06:11 ritoky wrote:
bleh i need to make a choice and i really don't wanna be wrong.
What about your damdred read? I can really lynch either geript or damdred. Feeling almost compelled to sheep cephiro at this point.
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One the other hand geript just fucked off.
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With this votecount I feel like damdred will vote me regardless of his alignment. So I will keep my vote on the bigger wagon and currently that is geript.
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On September 26 2015 06:25 Cephiro wrote:
The first 2 pages of damdred's filter are close to irrelevant compared to all the newer content. He's just as much away as geript is. Damdred is not here trying to argue against his lynch, because he knows he can't. He's clearly more involved in this game than geript is, so geript fucking off is much more understandable. Damdred would be trying his hardest if he believed he still had a chance. But he's not around to do so. So he's just praying that you people stick with geript as this point.
Please believe me and lynch scum with me ;_;
True.
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On September 26 2015 06:27 Palmar wrote:
like I'm being facetious but still.
I really can't deal with this game for another 72 hours, especially if geript will be alive because I am going to lynch him if he is. There is no way this game ends without me having lynched geript.
It's strictly the correct play to kill him for the reasons I gave earlier.
I really hope you are right. Would restore my faith in humanity. At least a little.
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On September 26 2015 06:29 Damdred wrote:
Honestly I wish I was lynched today.
-.-
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On September 26 2015 06:33 Cephiro wrote:
Excuse me as I go weep in a corner. I TRIED. I DID ALL I COULD.
Sorry I wasn't any better, or sorry that you all didn't believe me z_z
I am not risking making the wagons 2:2:2 like this no matter if the 2 scummy people are the ones voting me or not.
The average iq in this game just increased by a lot.
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On September 26 2015 06:45 Damdred wrote:
I'm conflicted cephs posts feel,fake. Why would tougher in a corner if you had a slight to moderate scum lean on geript.
I don't mind his lynch, I did have a tow read so in that regard it sucks but it at least gets the thread back on track.
JAT could you tell me about your read on wile,d1?
No, I already did and I will not be playing this game anymore today. It's midnight already.
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On September 26 2015 06:52 Damdred wrote:
Idc if you have already explained. This is mylo we all have to go in depth when asked.
Now please explain your scum read of wile. The resulting switch to a town read what thoughts were town and why it made you eliminate him please.
And idc what you want right now. Good night.
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Good talk guys. Impressive effort.
To answer this:
On September 26 2015 06:52 Damdred wrote:
Idc if you have already explained. This is mylo we all have to go in depth when asked.
Now please explain your scum read of wile. The resulting switch to a town read what thoughts were town and why it made you eliminate him please.
Even though it is fairly obvious and I already did so - I was scumreading/questioning Wile on day1 for things he pushed/said that I disagreed with or that made no sense to me. A few examples out of many:
On September 15 2015 07:58 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 07:55 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On September 15 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 07:45 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
so no one answered my question. I didnt care that much but it was a free town read and kind of a test Why would you townread someone for giving you information (I assume that's what you are talking about?)? Why are you smurfing if you are new here or do people in this game in fact know you? I never said I was smurfing but I sapose I am. I just have not played here or forum mafia in along time. I even forgot my tl login. People who want to solve the game will include me and try to interact with me, and help me. Mafia who just want my easy mislynch will ignore me as an outsider Or alternatively mafia will give you your information because it is easy to do and looks like they are doing stuff while they actually don't. I just think it is weird to ask slam for his smurf instead of making your own account even if you lost your old one. It also means you knew slam had a smurf in the first place which is weird if you really haven't played here for a long time.
On September 15 2015 21:46 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 21:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2015 21:20 Palmar wrote:On September 15 2015 21:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2015 21:10 Palmar wrote:On September 15 2015 20:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv is it normal for Palmar to not townread you here? Do you think marv is town? yes i am like 99% sure of it. did you see something I missed? like why? he is actually playing the game instead of being jerk to people. That's not how you read marv. Not that I disagree with your read itself so far. Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 21:29 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
I dont give a shit about your meta. I wanted to see who was cooperative. Anyway I took my medicine back to bed.
can you explain why this is unacceptable? - I did answer this question in detail. Its not right to not care if someones mafia or wrong. Im going to call you out on shit like this thats the kind of person I am its admitting your not playing to win.
can you explain to me what "unacceptable" means exactly with regards to his alignment?
I dont know what this qeustion even means but ill try . I said he could say it as town but it is a scummy trait at level 1 not knowing the guy Why do you think it is a scummy trait though? Because it really isn't.
On September 15 2015 21:52 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 21:50 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Jat I think someone not trying to find scum is a scummy trait thats what geript was doing. I dont know why your trying to argue with me that it is not.
Is this real life? You are calling him mafia for openly admitting it though. And that is generally not what mafia is inclined to do.
On September 16 2015 18:07 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 18:05 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Its hard not to sheep rayn here. I think he flips way more then 3/13 and if hes town hes vt anyway so im pretty sure hes a great mathematical day 1 lynch, oh and he jumped on my wagon when it was the cool thing to do. ALtho rayn you really gotta work on explaining things How about you explain why you think Moosy is likely mafia instead. If you think it is hard not to sheep rayn you have to understand his argument so the bolded makes 0 sense. Go ahead and explain. There is nothing mathematical about it.
On September 16 2015 18:22 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 18:20 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On September 16 2015 18:16 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 18:12 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Me thinking moosy is scummy is nothing new its in the thread. My top town also agreed at about the same time as me.
And yes math is very important on day 1 lynches. You hit mafia way less on day 1. So voting someone whos probably not a power role and the most likely to me to flip mafia is the easiest vote of my life THERE IS NO MATH HERE. What is rayns argument and why do you think it is sheepworthy? Answer the question instead of sidestepping. theres math in everything you do in life lol? A flow chart is math man. Go read my read list from yesterday. I posted rayn as my top town and moosy as top mafia. Im pretty sure this was before rayn was going after him but I might be wrong. Then rayn calls him out for lying about being mafia. Moosy denies it. I believe my town read over my scum read. Like you im not really following rayns current train of thought but I believe he believes it and thats what matters. you coulda got all that from reading me If you are town you should be interested in rayns thought process instead of blindly sheeping him though. Being town doesn't make him right. Your disinterest in this is at best retarded and at worst really scummy. How on earth does "it is hard not to sheep rayn here" make any fucking sense if you don't even understand what he is saying?
On September 16 2015 18:33 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 18:32 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On September 16 2015 18:27 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 18:26 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On September 16 2015 18:25 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 18:24 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
I explained that. I dont know the meta I have to trust me non meta on a player to decide if their meta reads are valid Rayns stuff on moosy has NOTHING to do with meta. Literally nothing. its about another game... You do not need to know the other game to evaluate his argument which should be obvious since rayn didn't even play in that game. What is this shit? How do you argue about stupid shit like this and wonder why half the game thinks your mafia. Its still meta yes I could read into it more and I still may but I told you im ignoring meta. It isn't meta. Rayn made an argument calling someone mafia for referencing another game. Rayn did NOT play in that game -> he has the same information you have. There is no meta involved.
On September 16 2015 20:12 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 20:10 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On September 16 2015 19:48 marvellosity wrote:On September 16 2015 18:12 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Me thinking moosy is scummy is nothing new its in the thread. My top town also agreed at about the same time as me.
And yes math is very important on day 1 lynches. You hit mafia way less on day 1. So voting someone whos probably not a power role and the most likely to me to flip mafia is the easiest vote of my life lol can't tell if townie or scummy when i am mafiai am not voting someone that is believed to be vt. Thats for damn sure im going after potential poweroles. I think if theres clear evidence im town its that im voting a claimed vt because i am not terrible. In the format I play protecting power roles is super important and finding them as mafia is even more. I have moosys range as vt/ lying about being vt for cheap newbie town reads. Powerroles are way less important in forum mafia. Mafia will almost never push someone because they think it is a powerrole. It is hard enough to get any kind of mislynch going without giving yourself away.
When I reread later in order to find my lynch target (I fully expected him to be it) I decided to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he is just a video mafia player and completely new to forum mafia like he claimed he was. If you read his filter up to that point in the game most of this could maybe be explained by this/it made at least a small amount of sense. Newbies often think things like admitting to not caring about scumhunting or similar stuff is scummy for example. It could also have been possible that he simply didn't understand the point about meta later.
It's not like I townread him, I just thought damdred and cephiro were more scummy at that point in time. It's not unlikely that one of them actually is mafia.
The really surefire mafia indicators in Wiles play did not exist yet when I backed off of him. The thing damdred tried to clear him for which was actually an ironclad argument for him being mafia instead came when I wasn't around anymore. This is still one of the best posts in the game:
On September 18 2015 00:10 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 23:10 Palmar wrote:On September 17 2015 22:22 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 05:26 Damdred wrote:On September 17 2015 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And Wile is never going to be mafia ffs. Yo add onto this there's this moment that just happened. He was obviously catching up in thread and he had this ah ha moment when he thought he caught moosey. It just seemed so legitimate and honest and such a town reaction. Pretty sure rayns right on him. But I think we lynch jat Why the fuck did people sheep this retarded argument? Wile/SL wasn't even the first one pointing it out. A big chunk of this game was about that shit. Because it is not a retarded argument. Yes, people had already discussed that, but that doesn't make the argument invalid. The argument goes like this wile is reading thread wile reads something and goes "hey, fuck yeah I got this guy" wile reads on realizes that "oh wait, people already talked about it and it's been explained why it's not relevant" The idea is, wile is less likely to be mafia because he was 1) actually reading the thread 2) trying to find things that look off 3) excited when he thought he found something It's not really a complicated concept. It doesn't mean he's guaranteed to be town, but it means he's more likely to be town. On September 17 2015 22:22 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 06:02 Damdred wrote:
Jats the best lynch probably he doesn't care it seems pushed nothing all day.
See point 3). Blatant lie. Painting this as blatant lie is at best dumb and at worst scummy. He's not even stating a fact, he's stating an opinion. And I agree (although this post comes after you admittedly had started contributing more). I even said as much at least twice in the thread. On September 15 2015 18:57 Palmar wrote:
I feel like JAT has basically been a non-entity this game. Maybe I should tunnel him to see what happens. On September 16 2015 19:40 Palmar wrote:
JAT could also be mafia. I am actually serious that he could be. There's a lot of argumentative loud people in this game and there is plenty to stuff I talk about. I just get this overall feeling that he's always sort of in the background. Maybe I'm just ignoring his posts but whenever people are talking in the thread (for example this morning) it feels like he is offering way less to the discussion than everyone else who is talking. On September 17 2015 22:22 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 06:26 Palmar wrote:
Also his "I'm not gonna tell you how to live your life" post was gold. What was good about that? He clearly missed the point of the post entirely. That was more about the humor value of the post. You even admit it yourself. I HAD done stuff at the point damdred made that post. Therefore it IS a lie. And notice how damdred never ever talks about anything I said all game. He simply does not care, he just wants to lynch me. And to the Wile thing: Moosy was Wiles top mafiaread almost all game right? The thing we are talking about is the main reason why people scumread Moosy before rayn went full retard. And it wasn't a throwaway comment someone made at some point. It was actually said by multiple people and was a big point of discussion. So you are telling me Wile does not know why his top mafiaread is being scumread. The conclusion is that he is either totally disinterested in his top mafiaread or that he is acting. Both heavily point towards him being mafia.
And when I found out that this is SL none of the newbie theories were valid any longer anyways so I was pretty convinced that he was mafia.
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I told myself I would read the 3 relevant filters in the ~1.5 hours I sat in the train just now like I did lat week but I barely managed to read Palmars filter in that time window. Will post thoughts later.
Ritoky you really need to get something out there. For example if you still strongly think palmar and cephiro are town then tell us why. Or ask things. Don't be a pussy silently leaving the game without taking any responsibility.
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Palmar:
After reading his filter I have to say it is completely possible that Palmar is mafia. I just don't think it is very likely. Here is why he could be mafia:
His filter is very marv centered. Still he did not figure out that marv is mafia until I pushed that guy. Pretty poor showing if he is town. In general he is defending both flipped mafia at points while not openly calling them town. He doesn't jump on either of the lynches or pushes them before it is clear they will die (he does not push marv until he sees that I am doing it and am convinced about it for example). These posts are all pretty bad:
On September 15 2015 21:41 Palmar wrote:
Although it's super tempting to just sheep rayn's townread on marv then blame rayn if marv is scum postgame.
Actually that sounds like a great strategy.
On September 16 2015 20:40 Palmar wrote:He just defended me, which I liked.
On September 16 2015 21:04 Palmar wrote:
to be fair marv told me pregame in an unrelated discussion (he is the co-host for the game I'm running) that he'd be mostly unavailable this week.
Like I don't want to townread him based on that as it's unrelated, but I've sort of been looking over the fact that his activity is slightly less than normal.
Also, @marv, do you think jat calling you out makes him mafia?
On September 17 2015 00:06 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 23:24 justanothertownie wrote:So Palmar, a few questions: How do those posts compute? You said yourself that marv is FORCED to read you town if you are town. On September 16 2015 04:47 Palmar wrote:
Like even when he's mafia he will generally be right on a lot of things. For example my alignment, rayn's too.
Like if marv thinks me/rayn are town, we should never ever ever be lynched unless you believe it's a scum/scum situation. On September 16 2015 20:40 Palmar wrote:On September 16 2015 20:35 Koshi wrote:
Palmar, want to lynch marv? He just defended me, which I liked. Do you think marvs reaction to me was a townmarv reaction? Like, you are good at this shit. Do you think townmarv would just -shrug- and let it slide? Do you think it is a townmarv reaction to instantly OMGUS myself instead of calling it weird when I push him for it? I don't like how he immediately felt the need to call me mafia for it. That's not what he usually does. Yes he will defend me when I'm town. This is irrelevant of his own alignment. In general if he doesn't look like obvious mafia and is actually defending me I'm more than willing to give him a chance to be right/useful for the day. So yes, him defending me doesn't mean he's town, but it also means he's doing the right thing and he even gave the right reasons (cited my overall tone if I recall correctly, which marv has told me multiple times is a very important factor in how he reads me. I apparently just sound like mafia when I'm mafia). I think you're mafia so I'm biased. Yes I think it's completely reasonable of marv to call you mafia. I don't think there is any reason to call him one. Koshi is sort of excused because he's bad, but why you tried to ride that train too I don't know. Also, why are you asking me to explain things that should be obvious. There is no contradiction in the statements above, you're just trying to present them as one. I'd call you 100% mafia for it if it wasn't apparenly something you do (see trfel question last game, this is comparable).
He is pushing the lynch away from Wile by sheeping damdreds awful argument about him. But I can see a townPalmar believing it is good. This post is pretty bad though - of course it makes a difference that it is SL:
On September 17 2015 20:20 Palmar wrote:
I have no idea btw why the read on him would go 180 based on nothing but his identity. I sort of understand why rayn would think it does (rayn has stronger opinions than your average jihadist), but I don't like the fact that people seem to be eating that stuff up.
marv you said "he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt". No benefit was given to him. The damdred point was about the genuine-ness of his reactions to reading the thread. There was no benefit of the doubt involved.
I'm going to try to get opinions out into the thread throughout today.
Still defending mafia without calling them town.
Most of his geript push which is more or less the only thing he pushed after the 2 mafia lynches seems reasonable to me but this post still doesn't make sense:
On September 21 2015 18:51 Palmar wrote:
About the geript thing and why it bothers me so much.
I like geript, and I think he's a nice, reasonable guy. In order for him to blow up on ceph like that because of real life stress, he has to be far more emotional than I think he is. Like I talk to geript on ts, play with him here and stuff, and it's just way out of his character range. Like if geript was really (and I believe he was) stressed out by his rl, the attitude I would have thought he brought to the game is more in the lieu of:
"dude.... please. Just back the fuck off. rl is shit and I don't have the willpower to argue with your shit right now so just stop it please"
Instead of the caps lock (it was caps, right?) tirade he went on.
Maybe I just don't know geript. But it seemed excessive.
I have no idea why anyone would expect geript to react like this. I personally have never seen him do this but I have seen him rage in a very unwarranted manner countless times.
This is also somewhat weird:
On September 24 2015 17:37 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2015 13:17 geript wrote:
So for why Palmar is town.
When Marv/Palmar are mafia together, I've always seen them confirm each other and work to utilize their thread capability with each other. You know, they use their names and ability to push to get people lynched; often they'll push two people and consolidate on one. It's basically how Marv operates with any vet who can control a thread in the slightest. This is semi-true. Generally marv figures out my alignment (especially when I'm being useful like this game). I sometimes figure him out (and I have been trying lately to be less waffly), but most of the time (I think) I waffle on him for a long time until we lynch mafia together. Like historically that has been the point where I start trusting marv.
Because it isn't true at all. Lynching mafia in my experience hasn't been the reason Palmar townread marv in ages. They were perfectly able to strongly townread each other without any dead mafia before. It's also not true that lynching mafia makes marv town or that lynching town would make him mafia.
Then there is this weird/unwarranted defense of damdred that he kept up for basically the whole game. But I don't really think it makes him mafia.
Now on to what I think is towny.
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You played well cephiro. Don't beat yourself up over this.
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You made the correct nightkill Palmar. Well played.
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On September 29 2015 06:32 justanothertownie wrote:
You made the correct nightkill Palmar. Well played.
^
People should have really considered this way more strongly btw. - there is no reason for cephiro to kill me there.
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On September 29 2015 06:33 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 06:32 justanothertownie wrote:
You made the correct nightkill Palmar. Well played. not posting the town part was a dick move though lol
I had like 3 mehish points I would have posted. The nightkill changed my mind.
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On September 29 2015 06:33 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 06:32 Cephiro wrote:
Also sorry if I'm being overly hostile, I'm just really disappointed right now. You all tried your best. your sudden shift from extreme on damdred to extreme on palmar shoved me really far away....i just couldn't grasp it.
Palmar did not leave him a choice. He wasn't reevaluating anything and just pushed cephiro without caring. He didn't consider damdred at all.
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On September 29 2015 06:35 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 06:34 justanothertownie wrote:On September 29 2015 06:32 justanothertownie wrote:
You made the correct nightkill Palmar. Well played. ^ People should have really considered this way more strongly btw. - there is no reason for cephiro to kill me there. yes there is. i had been town shielding him all game and you were more likely to consider lynching him than me if he assumed i was just going to keep the same reads.
Absolutely not. His posts eod when geript died made him my strongest townread in the game.
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On September 29 2015 06:38 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 06:36 justanothertownie wrote:On September 29 2015 06:33 ritoky wrote:On September 29 2015 06:32 Cephiro wrote:
Also sorry if I'm being overly hostile, I'm just really disappointed right now. You all tried your best. your sudden shift from extreme on damdred to extreme on palmar shoved me really far away....i just couldn't grasp it. Palmar did not leave him a choice. He wasn't reevaluating anything and just pushed cephiro without caring. He didn't consider damdred at all. I was 100% gonna consider it, but I was counting on cephiro to come in earlier.
Sure, you could have. But you didn't and as town you would have.
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On September 29 2015 06:39 deconduo wrote:
Thanks for playing everyone, and thanks to Kelsier for helping host. I'd appreciate any feedback on the setup, hosting etc.
I think this might have been a slightly town-sided setup, though the fact that the masons are not confirmed does offset that a bit.
No, the setup was fair. Not town-sided at all without townfirmed masons.
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On September 29 2015 06:42 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 06:39 deconduo wrote:
Thanks for playing everyone, and thanks to Kelsier for helping host. I'd appreciate any feedback on the setup, hosting etc.
I think this might have been a slightly town-sided setup, though the fact that the masons are not confirmed does offset that a bit. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAYeah it was townfavored to the max. To balance it town needed at least a 2 shot vigi, scum RB should have been removed, town should have gotten a real cop and after D1 you should have killed the 3 people with the highest amount of votes on them. Please speak to Artanis, Blazinghand and HalfTheSky in the future when you host again.
lol
But for reals there was tracker hate, the tracker had limited shots and a vigi can go either way (hurt us badly in this case because he cost us a mislynch). Masons who aren't confirmed to each other are pretty much useless. There is nothing town-sided about this setup.
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Well, shouldn't have lynched geript (even though lynching damdred might have been even worse because geript in LYLO would be a nightmare) should have figured Palmar out while I was still alive. Otherwise I am very happy with my play this game.
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On September 29 2015 06:55 Koshi wrote:geript legit read on Plammer btw. Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 17:09 Koshi wrote:
Palmar was way serious early game. I think geript is on the right track. I like geript. His early reads are one of the best on the site btw. Even if they look like guessing. I remember him pulling things like this off as town. He could be town. I like the idea. Geript is not mafia. So true. I recognized it. Fuck. I played a bit too carefree.
Geript also tried to clear Palmar because he did not coordinate with marv later. Rofl.
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On September 29 2015 06:56 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 06:54 Palmar wrote:On September 29 2015 06:42 Koshi wrote:On September 29 2015 06:39 deconduo wrote:
Thanks for playing everyone, and thanks to Kelsier for helping host. I'd appreciate any feedback on the setup, hosting etc.
I think this might have been a slightly town-sided setup, though the fact that the masons are not confirmed does offset that a bit. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAYeah it was townfavored to the max. To balance it town needed at least a 2 shot vigi, scum RB should have been removed, town should have gotten a real cop and after D1 you should have killed the 3 people with the highest amount of votes on them. Please speak to Artanis, Blazinghand and HalfTheSky in the future when you host again. Koshi is a serial balance whiner and has no idea how to balance games deconduo, don't worry about it. Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 06:55 marvellosity wrote:
pretty sure koshi wasn't being srs there For the people who forgot that game. That actually happened. Sadly I was scum.
At least town got an aware miller for balance. trolololol
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Goddamn it rayn, you really couldn't have been more wrong day1 ^^
Has to be a first.
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On September 29 2015 06:59 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 06:57 justanothertownie wrote:On September 29 2015 06:55 Koshi wrote:geript legit read on Plammer btw. On September 15 2015 17:09 Koshi wrote:
Palmar was way serious early game. I think geript is on the right track. I like geript. His early reads are one of the best on the site btw. Even if they look like guessing. I remember him pulling things like this off as town. He could be town. I like the idea. Geript is not mafia. So true. I recognized it. Fuck. I played a bit too carefree. Geript also tried to clear Palmar because he did not coordinate with marv later. Rofl. If he did it because he wanted to lynch marv it is legit. But that is not the point. Point is geript was right. And people gave him shit for it. You did as well. It is hard to stay right then, it was bad that people scumread geript for making the right call and didn't pressure Plammer. tldr: Koshi respected the read and townread geript. Therefore Koshi > all
Geript never wanted to lynch marv. He defended marv and Palmar until the end.
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On September 29 2015 07:03 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 07:01 justanothertownie wrote:On September 29 2015 06:59 Koshi wrote:On September 29 2015 06:57 justanothertownie wrote:On September 29 2015 06:55 Koshi wrote:geript legit read on Plammer btw. On September 15 2015 17:09 Koshi wrote:
Palmar was way serious early game. I think geript is on the right track. I like geript. His early reads are one of the best on the site btw. Even if they look like guessing. I remember him pulling things like this off as town. He could be town. I like the idea. Geript is not mafia. So true. I recognized it. Fuck. I played a bit too carefree. Geript also tried to clear Palmar because he did not coordinate with marv later. Rofl. If he did it because he wanted to lynch marv it is legit. But that is not the point. Point is geript was right. And people gave him shit for it. You did as well. It is hard to stay right then, it was bad that people scumread geript for making the right call and didn't pressure Plammer. tldr: Koshi respected the read and townread geript. Therefore Koshi > all Geript never wanted to lynch marv. He defended marv and Palmar until the end. NOT THE POINT I am sorry. You people sucked for lynching obv town geript. But still that is not the point. geript legit meta town for having that read on Plammer. And he was right. For multiple hours.
His read was completely nonsensical though :/
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On September 29 2015 07:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 07:43 sicklucker wrote:On September 29 2015 07:25 KelsierSC wrote:On September 29 2015 07:20 sicklucker wrote:On September 29 2015 07:16 KelsierSC wrote:On September 29 2015 07:14 sicklucker wrote:
I obv knew you had side skype and ignored it but misincluding a team mate is really mean thing to do. Awesome things like hey guys scott is obviously lying about being a 1 shot tracker because thats what I would do could have been shared. i'm not sure misincluding is a word who gives a fuck well obviously not you only fucking annoying/cunty people correct internet grammar its like the silliest thing to do yuor not my english teacher you're*
beat me to it
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[06:32:28] <Palmar> but irritating in the same way as aids or nuclear explosions
[06:32:48] <Palmar> not like lour people at the movies
lol
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On September 30 2015 01:42 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2015 01:40 Koshi wrote:On September 29 2015 18:57 Palmar wrote:
I actually think this was a pretty good game. I was really afraid I'd get lynched in that last phase but I wasn't mad at all. Town played well, just got a bit unlucky with how unproductive day 2/3 are. Autolynches often actually don't really help town. Cpehiro was a bad lynch because marv his case on cephiro + swing of people on Cephiro was not really that likely a buss.That and Cephiro played well. One of the few I read he posts from. Day 1 was pretty ok from town and mafia. Both played well. Moos was a well deserved lynch for both teams. geript lynch was avoidable in my eyes. But I didn't read those days. Cephiro lynch was pretty bad, like I said. But then again Palmar aka you played really well so w.e. Should have been a lynch between Damdred and Palmar more imo. Cephiro himself made a mistake though, not getting in front of his lynch early enough. He needed to exploit the fact I was away on sunday to make his case for being town, instead he sat and waited and let me take the initiative.
That doesn't make lynching him a better play. People should not only have seen what Koshi said but also and especially how cephiro played the eod when geript got lynched because that was insanely towny. And he continued to play like that in LYLO.
I could have understood a damdred mislynch to an extent but not a cephiro mislynch.
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