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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 17 2015 13:13 GMT
#1781
My battery is dyinh. Bear wm.
table for two on a tv tray
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16326 Posts
September 17 2015 13:22 GMT
#1782
On September 17 2015 05:26 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And Wile is never going to be mafia ffs.


Yo add onto this there's this moment that just happened. He was obviously catching up in thread and he had this ah ha moment when he thought he caught moosey.

It just seemed so legitimate and honest and such a town reaction. Pretty sure rayns right on him.

But I think we lynch jat

Why the fuck did people sheep this retarded argument? Wile/SL wasn't even the first one pointing it out. A big chunk of this game was about that shit.
On September 17 2015 05:37 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 05:29 ritoky wrote:
On September 17 2015 05:26 Damdred wrote:
On September 17 2015 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And Wile is never going to be mafia ffs.


Yo add onto this there's this moment that just happened. He was obviously catching up in thread and he had this ah ha moment when he thought he caught moosey.

It just seemed so legitimate and honest and such a town reaction. Pretty sure rayns right on him.

But I think we lynch jat


why jat?


Basic run down

1) isn't doing a lot to try to push the thread
2) His scum reads are taken off the table if thread sentiment is against lynching them. Pushing east targets to a point.
3) Has complained most of the game about being scum read even though he isn't doing anything besides arguing.
4) Has a filter a bit usually when he's town he says whatever and is curious... Here he is amendable and lacks curiosity to a point.


1) is not alignment indicative
2) is bullshit - why would I try to lynch someone who is never going to be lynched when I have to leave way before deadline?
3) is not alignment indicative and a blatant lie after I evidently went through quite a few filters and posted very clear and concise reasoning about who I want to lynch and who not
4) erm, what? bullshit

On September 17 2015 06:02 Damdred wrote:
Jats the best lynch probably he doesn't care it seems pushed nothing all day.

See point 3). Blatant lie.

On September 17 2015 06:26 Palmar wrote:
Also his "I'm not gonna tell you how to live your life" post was gold.

What was good about that? He clearly missed the point of the post entirely.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16326 Posts
September 17 2015 13:23 GMT
#1783
I am caught up now and Damdred/Wile pushing the lynch away from Cephiro is really fucking scummy.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 17 2015 14:02 GMT
#1784
No.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 17 2015 14:10 GMT
#1785
On September 17 2015 22:22 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 05:26 Damdred wrote:
On September 17 2015 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And Wile is never going to be mafia ffs.


Yo add onto this there's this moment that just happened. He was obviously catching up in thread and he had this ah ha moment when he thought he caught moosey.

It just seemed so legitimate and honest and such a town reaction. Pretty sure rayns right on him.

But I think we lynch jat

Why the fuck did people sheep this retarded argument? Wile/SL wasn't even the first one pointing it out. A big chunk of this game was about that shit.


Because it is not a retarded argument. Yes, people had already discussed that, but that doesn't make the argument invalid.

The argument goes like this

wile is reading thread
wile reads something and goes "hey, fuck yeah I got this guy"
wile reads on realizes that "oh wait, people already talked about it and it's been explained why it's not relevant"

The idea is, wile is less likely to be mafia because he was

1) actually reading the thread
2) trying to find things that look off
3) excited when he thought he found something

It's not really a complicated concept. It doesn't mean he's guaranteed to be town, but it means he's more likely to be town.

On September 17 2015 22:22 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 06:02 Damdred wrote:
Jats the best lynch probably he doesn't care it seems pushed nothing all day.

See point 3). Blatant lie.

Painting this as blatant lie is at best dumb and at worst scummy. He's not even stating a fact, he's stating an opinion. And I agree (although this post comes after you admittedly had started contributing more). I even said as much at least twice in the thread.

On September 15 2015 18:57 Palmar wrote:
I feel like JAT has basically been a non-entity this game. Maybe I should tunnel him to see what happens.


On September 16 2015 19:40 Palmar wrote:
JAT could also be mafia. I am actually serious that he could be. There's a lot of argumentative loud people in this game and there is plenty to stuff I talk about. I just get this overall feeling that he's always sort of in the background. Maybe I'm just ignoring his posts but whenever people are talking in the thread (for example this morning) it feels like he is offering way less to the discussion than everyone else who is talking.



On September 17 2015 22:22 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 06:26 Palmar wrote:
Also his "I'm not gonna tell you how to live your life" post was gold.

What was good about that? He clearly missed the point of the post entirely.

That was more about the humor value of the post.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 17 2015 14:12 GMT
#1786
Btw Onegu got completely ignored last night.

Just so it's out there.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 17 2015 14:15 GMT
#1787
I still think rayn is town. here's my reason:

On September 15 2015 20:28 Palmar wrote:
For the uninitiated.

This is rayn's absolute forte as town. Both the pushes he has made so far (jat/geript) are based on spotting something that is inconsistent or not sensible and attacking it. This is literally how he finds mafia every time he does so. This is the most rayn thing in the universe.

I even have an IRC log between rayn marv and I where we're discussing exactly this. I have no faith rayn can be faking this.


On top of that. He got his lynch on moosy and he was wrong, but mafia rayn would never try to lynch someone like that. Like I think that is out of rayn's mafia range.

Mafia rayn: I'm going to explain very clearly why he's mafia so I can point to that when I'm wrong
Town rayn: Just trust me, he's mafia. I'm so convinced he's one that I'm not gonna worry about what happens if I'm wrong

That's sort of the short version of it.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 17 2015 14:18 GMT
#1788
geript could be mafia based on the rage post.

As I explained, it was super out of character with the nice helpful geript encountered just earlier that day. Like I know he's stressed out irl, but that attack on cephiro was completely uncalled for. It just doesn't fit the narrative at all, it was a massive overreaction.

On the other hand, his attack on rayn tonight is so scummy that he could be town. Which is totally a thing.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 17 2015 14:21 GMT
#1789
marv should be checked. He was wrong yesterday and voted the wrong wagon against not only mine, but his own better judgement. Yes I know sheeping rayn is a thing (I did it myself last game for great success) but still. This is marv.

Here's the thing. Marv did nothing yesterday that was super scummy throughout the day. he wasn't forced, awkward or anything that makes him mafia. This does not mean he's not mafia. It simply means he didn't fuck up if he is. Also just be permanently suspicious of him until he starts delivering mafia left and right.
Computer says mafia
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 17 2015 14:35 GMT
#1790
Palmar defends me... That touches me right here *oats chest*.

First things first there was 0 reason really to town read jat d1 and a decent amount of reasons to kill him. He might say things I've sad are blatant lies but even if he is town he's the most biased person in the thread in that regard and I'm not lying.

Secondly I might be wrong but I haven't been spectacularly wrong this game most my reads have been pretty good.

Most of the things jats pulling against me is pretty nai.

Also I've talked a lot about geript for a few reasons
1) I'm generally good at reading geript
2) he was a point of contention for a lot of the early thread
3) when I was talking about other things near eod rayn kept asking me about geript up to a point.

Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 17 2015 14:44 GMT
#1791
refresh my memory damdred, what is your read on geript?
Computer says mafia
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 17 2015 14:49 GMT
#1792
He could be scum but I wasn't and am not sure at the eod.

Like his moosey read felt like town geript and to a lesser extent even his rayn scum read while lacking some logical jumps seems like something he would do as town.

a lot of his reads feel like what he does as town.

I'm still leaning town tbh but I want to hedge
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 17 2015 15:01 GMT
#1793
On September 17 2015 23:35 Damdred wrote:
Palmar defends me... That touches me right here *oats chest*.

First things first there was 0 reason really to town read jat d1 and a decent amount of reasons to kill him. He might say things I've sad are blatant lies but even if he is town he's the most biased person in the thread in that regard and I'm not lying.

Secondly I might be wrong but I haven't been spectacularly wrong this game most my reads have been pretty good.

Most of the things jats pulling against me is pretty nai.

Also I've talked a lot about geript for a few reasons
1) I'm generally good at reading geript
2) he was a point of contention for a lot of the early thread
3) when I was talking about other things near eod rayn kept asking me about geript up to a point.


based on... ?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 17 2015 15:02 GMT
#1794
which moosy read. Provide links and explanations please.

Also are you saying his "rayn is scum" theory LACKS logical jumps. As in, are you saying it's "maybe too reasonable" to be town geript?
Computer says mafia
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 17 2015 15:03 GMT
#1795
when I was quickly reading Ceph last night, i was being all mature and thought that ceph's suspicions of me at least seemed to be developing somewhat naturally.

the fact he didn't follow through on them at all is basically megashit, though.

i'm pretty sure he will write stuff at SOME point, but it's kinda convenient to bring up suspicions and then not follow through on the content promised within some sort of reasonable timeframe. that's super easy to do.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
September 17 2015 15:05 GMT
#1796
On September 17 2015 18:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I actually had really good reasons to think moosy is mafia.
I will tell you them some day.

But this is the town!jat i have been waiting for.
Thank you.

That would be boring.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
September 17 2015 15:07 GMT
#1797
Looks like JAT/Rayn/Palmar and marv are doing things. Therefore I didn't read past 5 pages.
I had a good night of sleep.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 17 2015 15:10 GMT
#1798
On September 17 2015 04:30 scott31337 wrote:
I have to travel to another building so I won't be on for a bit (I'll try to get on before lynch)

Replacing before deadline and having 50+ pages to read and work is impossible.

JAT looks the worst from what I've read so far - so that's where my votes going right now.

I'll be back in a bit.

boo.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16326 Posts
September 17 2015 15:10 GMT
#1799
On September 17 2015 23:10 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 22:22 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 17 2015 05:26 Damdred wrote:
On September 17 2015 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And Wile is never going to be mafia ffs.


Yo add onto this there's this moment that just happened. He was obviously catching up in thread and he had this ah ha moment when he thought he caught moosey.

It just seemed so legitimate and honest and such a town reaction. Pretty sure rayns right on him.

But I think we lynch jat

Why the fuck did people sheep this retarded argument? Wile/SL wasn't even the first one pointing it out. A big chunk of this game was about that shit.


Because it is not a retarded argument. Yes, people had already discussed that, but that doesn't make the argument invalid.

The argument goes like this

wile is reading thread
wile reads something and goes "hey, fuck yeah I got this guy"
wile reads on realizes that "oh wait, people already talked about it and it's been explained why it's not relevant"

The idea is, wile is less likely to be mafia because he was

1) actually reading the thread
2) trying to find things that look off
3) excited when he thought he found something

It's not really a complicated concept. It doesn't mean he's guaranteed to be town, but it means he's more likely to be town.

Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 22:22 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 17 2015 06:02 Damdred wrote:
Jats the best lynch probably he doesn't care it seems pushed nothing all day.

See point 3). Blatant lie.

Painting this as blatant lie is at best dumb and at worst scummy. He's not even stating a fact, he's stating an opinion. And I agree (although this post comes after you admittedly had started contributing more). I even said as much at least twice in the thread.

Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 18:57 Palmar wrote:
I feel like JAT has basically been a non-entity this game. Maybe I should tunnel him to see what happens.


Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 19:40 Palmar wrote:
JAT could also be mafia. I am actually serious that he could be. There's a lot of argumentative loud people in this game and there is plenty to stuff I talk about. I just get this overall feeling that he's always sort of in the background. Maybe I'm just ignoring his posts but whenever people are talking in the thread (for example this morning) it feels like he is offering way less to the discussion than everyone else who is talking.



Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 22:22 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 17 2015 06:26 Palmar wrote:
Also his "I'm not gonna tell you how to live your life" post was gold.

What was good about that? He clearly missed the point of the post entirely.

That was more about the humor value of the post.

You even admit it yourself. I HAD done stuff at the point damdred made that post. Therefore it IS a lie. And notice how damdred never ever talks about anything I said all game. He simply does not care, he just wants to lynch me.

And to the Wile thing:

Moosy was Wiles top mafiaread almost all game right? The thing we are talking about is the main reason why people scumread Moosy before rayn went full retard. And it wasn't a throwaway comment someone made at some point. It was actually said by multiple people and was a big point of discussion. So you are telling me Wile does not know why his top mafiaread is being scumread.
The conclusion is that he is either totally disinterested in his top mafiaread or that he is acting. Both heavily point towards him being mafia.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16326 Posts
September 17 2015 15:12 GMT
#1800
On September 17 2015 23:21 Palmar wrote:
marv should be checked. He was wrong yesterday and voted the wrong wagon against not only mine, but his own better judgement. Yes I know sheeping rayn is a thing (I did it myself last game for great success) but still. This is marv.

Here's the thing. Marv did nothing yesterday that was super scummy throughout the day. he wasn't forced, awkward or anything that makes him mafia. This does not mean he's not mafia. It simply means he didn't fuck up if he is. Also just be permanently suspicious of him until he starts delivering mafia left and right.

Agreed. Except for the part where he is delivering mafia left and right since he doesn't do that anymore because he is a lazy jerk.
On September 17 2015 23:35 Damdred wrote:
Secondly I might be wrong but I haven't been spectacularly wrong this game most my reads have been pretty good.

How the fuck would you know?
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