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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 18 2015 12:01 GMT
#2209
Ok So I sort of went through JAT filter to just look for read information on JAT vs Wile to see if hes right that hes been pushing wile all day.

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On September 15 2015 17:37 justanothertownie wrote:
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On September 15 2015 16:13 Damdred wrote:
I'm glad that someone else saw a problem in wil post I was paranoid I was going a bit off my rocker with my long hours tonight.

I'm about to sleep but... I'm still not sure that geript is mafia like I'm in the spot where I think he's still probably town.

I just think he can be this inconsistent as town but idk....meh I'm sleeping on it

Yep, Wiles post was bad and he might be mafia.
For geript I also share your concerns. For most people I would call rayns case a pretty damn strong case for day1. But geript is extremely calculated and careful as mafia with very thought out posts while his towngame is nonsensical at times.


On September 15 2015 20:00 justanothertownie wrote:
He is in the geript/Wile/Onegu/(Palmar) pile of people who did not seem towny so far.


On September 17 2015 00:51 justanothertownie wrote:
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On September 17 2015 00:50 marvellosity wrote:
can't agree at all on Wile i'm afraid.

Me neither.


On September 17 2015 02:43 justanothertownie wrote:
I started reading Wiles filter fully expecting to convince myself that he is the best lynch today but I just can't seem to. I still disagree strongly with a lot of the stuff he said but I am not sure it actually makes him mafia. I can see some sort of train of thought reading his filter.
This is annoying.



End of D1
Start N1
On September 17 2015 17:41 justanothertownie wrote:
Disclaimer: I did not really read what happened since I left yesterday yet. Only took a glance over the result and some posts that caught my eye so far.

So background stuff:

I said this at the beginning of the game:
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On September 15 2015 07:58 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 15 2015 07:55 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
On September 15 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 15 2015 07:45 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
so no one answered my question. I didnt care that much but it was a free town read and kind of a test

Why would you townread someone for giving you information (I assume that's what you are talking about?)?

Why are you smurfing if you are new here or do people in this game in fact know you?


I never said I was smurfing but I sapose I am. I just have not played here or forum mafia in along time. I even forgot my tl login.

People who want to solve the game will include me and try to interact with me, and help me. Mafia who just want my easy mislynch will ignore me as an outsider

I just think it is weird to ask slam for his smurf instead of making your own account even if you lost your old one. It also means you knew slam had a smurf in the first place which is weird if you really haven't played here for a long time.

And I still very much think so. SL played video mafia and knows a lot about it so this kind of backstory makes sense for him to invent. He also knows this particular smurf of slam and that other people can use it since I did so when I carried his useless ass as scum in void mafia. His condescending attitude and weird opinion on certain things (mentioning mathematics etc.) also fits perfectly.

Now to the juicy part:
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On September 15 2015 11:30 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
I think koshi is a villager hes just doing wild things that I feel like a person would not do if there a wolf/mafia. I feel most people have comfort lines they wont cross when they get that mafia pm and him going after no posters a couple hours into the game is one of those stupid lines a person would not cross.

This is a typical SL mistake and it happens multiple times in his filter. I already wondered when I saw it but decided to give him the benefit of the doubt because he isn't the only one I ever saw doing this.
This one however I only ever saw Sicklucker make and nobody else:
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On September 17 2015 06:29 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Yes if this is are last chance to talk gerpit and onegu probably best veg shots

Absolutely characteristic of him. He did a decent job at hiding for a while but yesterday he slipped up.

I am confident this is Sicklucker.


On September 17 2015 19:57 justanothertownie wrote:
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On September 17 2015 19:51 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
You guys say alot of things that dont make sense. Im going to be gone this weekend too I kind of forgot about it. Gone from friday to monday afternoon with limited access.

This guy will have to die sooner rather than later.


On September 17 2015 20:05 justanothertownie wrote:
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On September 17 2015 20:01 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Thats not a very nice thing to say to someone that helped keep you in the game. Like do you guys listen to yourselves. You both town read me and now i am apparently mafia because im a different person. Your taking meta to a whole new level

I never ever townread you broski.


On September 18 2015 00:10 justanothertownie wrote:
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On September 17 2015 23:10 Palmar wrote:
On September 17 2015 22:22 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 17 2015 05:26 Damdred wrote:
On September 17 2015 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And Wile is never going to be mafia ffs.


Yo add onto this there's this moment that just happened. He was obviously catching up in thread and he had this ah ha moment when he thought he caught moosey.

It just seemed so legitimate and honest and such a town reaction. Pretty sure rayns right on him.

But I think we lynch jat

Why the fuck did people sheep this retarded argument? Wile/SL wasn't even the first one pointing it out. A big chunk of this game was about that shit.


Because it is not a retarded argument. Yes, people had already discussed that, but that doesn't make the argument invalid.

The argument goes like this

wile is reading thread
wile reads something and goes "hey, fuck yeah I got this guy"
wile reads on realizes that "oh wait, people already talked about it and it's been explained why it's not relevant"

The idea is, wile is less likely to be mafia because he was

1) actually reading the thread
2) trying to find things that look off
3) excited when he thought he found something

It's not really a complicated concept. It doesn't mean he's guaranteed to be town, but it means he's more likely to be town.

On September 17 2015 22:22 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 17 2015 06:02 Damdred wrote:
Jats the best lynch probably he doesn't care it seems pushed nothing all day.

See point 3). Blatant lie.

Painting this as blatant lie is at best dumb and at worst scummy. He's not even stating a fact, he's stating an opinion. And I agree (although this post comes after you admittedly had started contributing more). I even said as much at least twice in the thread.

On September 15 2015 18:57 Palmar wrote:
I feel like JAT has basically been a non-entity this game. Maybe I should tunnel him to see what happens.


On September 16 2015 19:40 Palmar wrote:
JAT could also be mafia. I am actually serious that he could be. There's a lot of argumentative loud people in this game and there is plenty to stuff I talk about. I just get this overall feeling that he's always sort of in the background. Maybe I'm just ignoring his posts but whenever people are talking in the thread (for example this morning) it feels like he is offering way less to the discussion than everyone else who is talking.



On September 17 2015 22:22 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 17 2015 06:26 Palmar wrote:
Also his "I'm not gonna tell you how to live your life" post was gold.

What was good about that? He clearly missed the point of the post entirely.

That was more about the humor value of the post.

You even admit it yourself. I HAD done stuff at the point damdred made that post. Therefore it IS a lie. And notice how damdred never ever talks about anything I said all game. He simply does not care, he just wants to lynch me.

And to the Wile thing:

Moosy was Wiles top mafiaread almost all game right? The thing we are talking about is the main reason why people scumread Moosy before rayn went full retard. And it wasn't a throwaway comment someone made at some point. It was actually said by multiple people and was a big point of discussion. So you are telling me Wile does not know why his top mafiaread is being scumread.
The conclusion is that he is either totally disinterested in his top mafiaread or that he is acting. Both heavily point towards him being mafia.



Ok context sake the no jat doesn't agree on wile was when Rayn hard town read him, and jat also put him in a lynch list as well.

The D1 push on wile isn't much of a push at all, and he ends up sorta town reading him deciding the lynch is between me and ceph d1.

N1 he does have a more concerted push on Wile, but just for context he does decide that I am a better lynch on several occasions and pushes for me over wile during the night. But his push does look better during the night.

Overall it doesn't quite clear JAT, and if wile is SL its nai because obviously jat hates him and always busses him as scum meh. But n1 does look slightly better than jat, but I don't think he can say that he was pushing wile super hard all game either meh. Especially with the bolded which I want an explanation on.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 18 2015 12:13 GMT
#2211
It didn't bold meh. But I am pretty sure I was your prefered lynch todya over wile and you spent more posts disparaging me then pushing wile.

mber 17 2015 02:43 justanothertownie wrote:
I started reading Wiles filter fully expecting to convince myself that he is the best lynch today but I just can't seem to. I still disagree strongly with a lot of the stuff he said but I am not sure it actually makes him mafia. I can see some sort of train of thought reading his filter.
This is annoying.


This post is the exact opposite of hard pushing him why did you decide this specifically.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 18 2015 12:29 GMT
#2213
Gotta explain why his filter didn't seem as scummy as mine and cephs.

Or how not pushing d1 and pushing ok n1 makes you town.

And to the comment you don't really treat scum partners this way void says you do. You bussed Hts I believe while hard bussing SL at the same time.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 18 2015 12:39 GMT
#2216
Tbh I'm not super sold on it being jat but its possible. If its two mafia jat probably has to be in it. If one ehhh
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 18 2015 12:44 GMT
#2219
Ummm you do understand that nobody really town reads you? And most of the game town reads me or town leans on me right?

You aren't explaining your positions.

You say that you hard pushed wile all game when you soft pushed for some of d1 but then eliminated him for reasons you refuse to explain fully.

You say you don't bus when you obviously do.

And instead of playing mafia you are only personally attacking people which is nai for you.

So overall you look like a decent lynch
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 18 2015 13:13 GMT
#2227
If you had been reading the thread before you started attacking people you would know I was considering other pairings that did not include jat in it.

You weren't forced to bus in void and you did.

Also rayn town read me what are you on about
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 18 2015 13:17 GMT
#2228
On September 18 2015 21:46 Koshi wrote:
I remember because normally Damdred always put himself in the "not confirmed" pile of people even if he is confirmed town to himself, and that game he didn't for the first time in his analysis, and this game he also left himself out. And he explained why he left himself out.


meta bois

it

is

real


XXX is one game I did the exact same thing, holy guardians I believe as well and guardians of the galaxy. So nah this isn't right sadly.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 18 2015 13:53 GMT
#2235
On September 15 2015 07:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But Damdred is town why would you want to lynch him?


On September 15 2015 08:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
townpile:
Cephiro
Palmar
Damdred
Koshi
ritoky

maybe town pile:
marvellosity

idk pile:
Onegu
Wile E. Coyote
justanothertownie
TheWarWaffle

scumpile:
MoosyDoosy
geript


On September 15 2015 10:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
who cares? Damdred is town.


On September 17 2015 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wile E. Coyote
Palmar
marvellosity
TheWarWaffle
Damdred
ritoky
Koshi

i am really really really sure these people are town.
Onto Wile and Waffle, i am really good at reading people from other places because i actually do play in other places aswell, and i can play quite well there aswell;

Wile's play makes no sense as mafia and it doesn't look like he has a team behind him, like he is not pushing any agenda. Regardless of if his reads are good or not or if he makes sense or not.

Waffle is almost definitely town because he had this really ridiculous "if Moosy flips mafia then rayn is godfather" thought process. It doesn't make any sense for him to make the post as mafia because he would have to explain the logic behind it (there literally is no logic lol) and he would know he is fucked. Basically the most likely answer is he actually has some bad reason to think so and it makes him town.


On September 17 2015 01:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On September 17 2015 01:08 marvellosity wrote:
On September 17 2015 01:07 geript wrote:
You can blame this on me and my business I'm sure isn't helping, but I really think at least 1 of the vet circle is mafia. I'm not mafia, and I don't think Palmer makes that read as mafia. I'm pretty sure Marv is town.

You can blame me afterwards if I'm wrong. Idc. But I'm really struggling to townread the people I usually have an easy time reading (Rayn/Damdred). IDc about JAT or Koshi as idk how to read them and cba to think about it currently.

But I'm really sure moosy/Tww are both town. I hopefully will be home ~1.5 hr prior to lynch but no promises as if we go long I'll be stck on phone. But please take a look at your reads on each other (I will too when I get back) because I think this lynch is spinning wrong and I can't figure out why I think that.

can you splain? or tell me you already did so i can go search for it.

like you/rayn have said so but i just don't get it. like i understand there are reasons that he *could* be town, i mentioned one myself, but i don't understand the certainty about it floating around

One of the vets is mafia.
Doesn't have a clear read on me/Damdred (both are obviously town).
Doesn't CARE to figure out if it is Koshi/JAT.

conclusion; rayn is most likely mafia from the vet circle.



On September 17 2015 02:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
hmm is Damdred actually mafia?

(this one needs thread context but we had a disagreement over a geript read and he said fair enough later)

On September 17 2015 04:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
like i am waffling between jat/damdred/cephiro.
and i don't think cephiro is the scummiest of those people. there is 3 mafia soo.......


(this one is during our disagreement)

On September 17 2015 18:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On September 17 2015 18:32 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 17 2015 18:29 marvellosity wrote:
yeah, if Wile is sl, he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt for the thing that Damdred pointed out.

Damdred has been spectacularly wrong or mafia (more likely) anyways.

But damdred is not mafia if wile + cephiro are.
Because geript is scum aswell.


On September 17 2015 18:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think i am pretty good at reading damdred and i thought he was town early on.


So yeah heres all rayns reads on me... Sooo where does he hard scum me?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 18 2015 14:12 GMT
#2237
On September 18 2015 22:48 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, rayn did not hard scumread damdred night1 but he called him mafia day1 and continued to say this:
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On September 17 2015 18:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 17 2015 18:35 marvellosity wrote:
can you explain why you think it's more likely? i kinda subscribed to the Palmar train of thought on him, for as much as i thought about him

I think i wrote a post about him on d1.
You should read it.

The only post that even closely resembles a townread is this but he is talking about the early game here:
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On September 17 2015 18:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think i am pretty good at reading damdred and i thought he was town early on.

And it is easily overwritten by this:
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On September 17 2015 18:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 17 2015 18:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Like, why does he think he "needs protection" against me if I am obvious mafia like he claims?

Hmmm okat that makes sense rofl.



Jat you said rayn called me scum d1 and continued to say it when he never did.

You can read into that post all you want but he didn't call me scum and he said town just that your post is logical...

Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 18 2015 14:16 GMT
#2239
Geript can you please look at what me and jat are saying and five opinions and some kind of read on me.

Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 18 2015 16:22 GMT
#2329
I didn't realize I even had such a good stat. But wow the gb stat
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 18 2015 17:20 GMT
#2334
Would be nice tbh if ceph was last mafia and just got mod killed for not voting
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 20 2015 22:00 GMT
#2480
You both are dumb and bad.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 20 2015 22:05 GMT
#2484
Nope not working today at all so you can just vote me. But you are dumb this game obviously
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 20 2015 22:18 GMT
#2489
Let me at least refute sometging

1) You are reading mw scum for a passive voice when the exact opposite has been true this game. I have given reads some in great detailed when asked for. Have pushed my reads and tried to get the lynch I wanted.

None of these things have been passive.

2) Your an idiot ritoky because you are lynching someone with what amounts to a green check at this point. When you just got done getting lynched in another game with a green check on you.

3) I haven't read any of the game tbh since Friday afternoon maybe Thursday idk when my last post was. But I do know mafia needs two lynches to win the game and anyone who says it doesn't latter which two we lynch is playing dangerous game shrug.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 20 2015 22:26 GMT
#2492
On September 21 2015 07:21 ritoky wrote:
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On September 21 2015 07:18 Damdred wrote:
Let me at least refute sometging

1) You are reading mw scum for a passive voice when the exact opposite has been true this game. I have given reads some in great detailed when asked for. Have pushed my reads and tried to get the lynch I wanted.

None of these things have been passive.

2) Your an idiot ritoky because you are lynching someone with what amounts to a green check at this point. When you just got done getting lynched in another game with a green check on you.

3) I haven't read any of the game tbh since Friday afternoon maybe Thursday idk when my last post was. But I do know mafia needs two lynches to win the game and anyone who says it doesn't latter which two we lynch is playing dangerous game shrug.


you were passive prior to me saying you were passive, then you stopped doing it.

i am not lynching you right now. i am trying to fucking pressure people into doing shit since they have been fucking off with minimal effort for a decent while now. sorry for trying to win the damn game for town.

case and point.


then lynch me either I'll do something when I feel like it after I've recovered or I won't pressure won't work on me.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 20 2015 22:26 GMT
#2493
And uh no I wasn't passive at all I've been giving reads since the start of the game.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 21 2015 16:01 GMT
#2540
Obviously oneg would be mafia in that world?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 21 2015 16:06 GMT
#2542
I actually think it is sorta likely that oneg was mafia with the amount of cares and the somewhat resistance to switching to him over town moose.

Though town damdred pushed against that as well so not as iron clad. But I'm pretty sure that's partly palmars reasoning
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 21 2015 16:10 GMT
#2545
I'm just saying what I think palmars reasoning is since he said it earlier to one regards.

But yes if Marv is the last mafia id think he would just concede at this point.
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