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geript
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On September 17 2015 05:10 ritoky wrote: okay, what about the question i just asked rayn. both the top 2 wagons come in and vote on coyote, say anything about their alignments? I don't think moosy is a real wagon except perhaps in rayn's world. Overall, it's an interesting thought. But meh. I don't think it's really related to either of their alignments. | ||
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On September 17 2015 05:17 Damdred wrote: hiws moosey not a real wagon when he's tied for lead I believe in votes b/c I think rayn wants to lynch him basically over bs and I dont' think that type of wagon really ever stays together. Like Moosy is either excluding the other current game, which means he's telling the truth most likely regardless of his alignment in this game. Or Moosy is telling the truth because he's town in the other current game, which is completely NAI for this game. Or moosy is lying because he's mafia in the other game, which is completely nai because it's something you'd have to lie about if he's mafia in that game or else you out yourself in one game to save yourself in another. So I don't see how people don't see that and not decide to move elsewhere. Especially when there's lots of random reasons to think Moosy is town this game. | ||
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On September 17 2015 05:36 Wile E. Coyote wrote: i know enough about this site to tell you the top half of the list is the expert players and the bottom is the not. Im not gonna tell you how to live your life but its not always that easy  dat hurts, but I understand it w/ my recent games. Still hurst | ||
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On September 17 2015 05:44 Cephiro wrote: By still not giving any reasoning (even to the extent of "I'm just a lazy fuck and sheeping"), and still voting on me, you're currently consolidating your position in the bottom list to be even stronger. For someone that hasn't said jack shit about me, you seem fairly confident I'm the best lynch for today. Get the fuck out of here with that shit. I'm not a lazy fuck. Yes I'm sheeping. That's not fucking lazy. I'm not fucking ignoring the thread. I'm actively reading it. I've recognized that I don't have to time like I usualyl do to spend 8-10 hours actively in the thread and pressuring, reading and rereading, thinking, etc. I have a life to live. I get fucked over by interviewing for job that the place supposedly already has filled and gets put back to PRN. I want to extend my abilities as a nurse to be more marketable and get more pay/better job. Fuck you. Fuck Damdred too for posting that. It's not a nice thing to say; I'm not even sure it's even fucking true. But I'm not going to fucking waste my time playing a game where people don't fucking value my opinions. Fuck that. I'll go over and do soemthing that actually furthers my life instead of get stuck here being a loser trying to find scraps of work to pay for food, a place to stay, chip away at my college debt and if I'm lucky pay for a doctor's visit when I need one. Fuck you. Seriously go fuck yourself. | ||
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2. I'm 99% sure Rayn is mafia. | ||
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On September 17 2015 05:23 geript wrote: b/c I think rayn wants to lynch him basically over bs and I dont' think that type of wagon really ever stays together. Like Moosy is either excluding the other current game, which means he's telling the truth most likely regardless of his alignment in this game. Or Moosy is telling the truth because he's town in the other current game, which is completely NAI for this game. Or moosy is lying because he's mafia in the other game, which is completely nai because it's something you'd have to lie about if he's mafia in that game or else you out yourself in one game to save yourself in another. So I don't see how people don't see that and not decide to move elsewhere. Especially when there's lots of random reasons to think Moosy is town this game. This is why. | ||
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1. Moosy conflating games and thinking Rayn was in a game that he wasn't in. This isn't something uncommon. It happens all the time in my experience. It's something that's quite literally not alignment indicative. 2. Moosy saying he hasn't rolled mafia before and talking like he has. Yet, regardless of whether or not Moosy is lying about that, it has 0 bearing on his alignment this game. 3. Rayn listens to his townreads. Marv kinda thought moosy was town. Palmar was pretty sure moosy was town. IIRC he thought Damdred was town and damdred thought moosy was town. In the least, Rayn will get out of a bad tunnel like that AS TOWN when other people he's townreading say that shit's stupid/terrible/NAI. 4. I gave at least 3-4 other reasons to think Moosy was town. This doesn't include things other people said. These are all things that Rayn could have and should have picked up on. I don't think the Moosy read was that hard of a read. Honestly, I think it was pretty obvious. 5. The other game. Rayn died scumreading Moosy and someone else. Even if Rayn is sure of his read in the other game; that game and this game look reasonably different. Different enough that I don't think it's reasonable to think that Rayn's memory is merging the two games. Rather, it's more reasonable for him to get to "I'm really sure he was mafia in that game; therefore he's likely town in this game." There's a lot of other little stuff; how he bounces between reads, what he drives at, etc. Some of which I can explain and some of which I can't. There is however, one important thing I want to point out: Come near the end of the day, when people aren't sheeping him, Rayn isn't driving home points on Moosy. Rayn isn't calling 3 people mafia and trying to get all 3 lynched at once. I think it was JOAT where Rayn caught me because he didn't know my "these are the people I want to lynch list"; and it was a valid read. Here, near the end of the day, we get an idea of who Rayn wants to kill, but there's no long (or even tldr point by point) case on a handful of people who need to die AND WHY. That's why Rayn is mafia. | ||
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On September 17 2015 19:04 marvellosity wrote: like i'm considering various alignment scenarios. so the thing being discussed is damdred being potentially mafia, so i'm thinking if damdred is mafia making that post, then geript is mafia or town if geript is town, then i think it's exceptionally odd to kinda build suspicion on him to make that post that ends up with him "definitely" not wanting to lynch geript, it's very decisive and closing doors so if geript is mafia, it makes a little more sense in that you're manufacturing an about turn on your scumbuddy? but i don't get why he'd say all the things he said about geript already if that were the case And when Damdred is town and I'm town and Rayn is mafia? | ||
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You could just look at your read like asked. | ||
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On September 17 2015 19:17 marvellosity wrote: the thing is, geript, when rayn is mafia he doesn't push his mislynches based on mysterious stuff floating in the air that no-one/few people are quite grasping he's clear and picks on things that you can evaluate yourself, he'll push on inconsistencies that don't make that player mafia. it would be a quite remarkable push as mafia, one that i'd love to replicate myself as scum sometime, but i'm not sure it's even possible to do I'm pretty sure I explained how he pushed on things that didn't make Moosy anything. Like go back through. Where is there a single damn thing that moosy did that Rayn pushes him for that makes him mafia? You're telling me, no he's town and here's what he does as scum. Yet I pretty specifically outlined what he did and it aligns with your scumread of him??????? Wtf | ||
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On September 17 2015 19:33 marvellosity wrote: as an aside, i find it quite funny that you always ask me to "trust" your reads. but here you're trying to convince me that one of the best historic reads that TL Mafia has ever seen is bound to be wrong. this relationship is very one-sided. I agree. You never help me lynch and I always help you lynch. | ||
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On September 17 2015 20:12 Palmar wrote: lol. There's 2 options here. this guy is sicklucker and sicklucker has a massively small penis. this guy isn't sicklucker and doesn't know sicklucker is literally never going to be nightkilled this game. 1 is true and he's literally to dumb to realize 2 will never happen. Like NKing SL is like bussing a mafia partner. He could be claimed cop with a red check and it's literally more worthwhile to keep SL around as mafia than NK him. | ||
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Ok. His penis is only normally small not massively small. | ||
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On September 18 2015 03:29 Palmar wrote: Comment on why my analysis of rayn is wrong. Because mine is right  | ||
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On September 17 2015 23:15 Palmar wrote: I still think rayn is town. here's my reason: On top of that. He got his lynch on moosy and he was wrong, but mafia rayn would never try to lynch someone like that. Like I think that is out of rayn's mafia range. Mafia rayn: I'm going to explain very clearly why he's mafia so I can point to that when I'm wrong Town rayn: Just trust me, he's mafia. I'm so convinced he's one that I'm not gonna worry about what happens if I'm wrong That's sort of the short version of it. I'm going to presume you me this read. I'm honestly not sure what to argue with here than, Yes, he can do that as mafia. Like rayn and I think very similarly as mafia. We both try to emulate our town play. To give an example, a week ago or so on voice, we were playing I'm a cop you idiot. Rayn was mafia with Yamato. Rayn claimed a green check on cephiro IIRC and SL I think it was claimed a red on Rayn. I was pretty sure Rayn was mafia. He pushed SL as mafia but there were a few reasons why Rayn was the obvious mafia in the pair. 1. Because he wasn't sure on my alignment. 2. Because he didn't want to sleep in a 4v2 scenario which provides more info overall. 3. Because his focus was on why he's town. Eventually, he got Cake to trust him. It's similar here. His focus isn't on finding why I'm mafia. Can you think of a reason why he's called me mafia other than "I don't recognize Rayn as town"? When does town rayn not stretch and contort in order to get people to sheep him? Seriously??? Yes, town!Rayn will rant and rave about people being bad, palying stupid, but he will also do his damnedest to make sure that people 100% understand why he's fucking reading people as scum so that the wagon can't in any way be moved off of his target. Where is town!Rayn preventing notMoosy from being lynched because Moosy is 1000% mafia? Rayn as a town player is a bully and an asshole and completely full of himself; he's also usually right. And I like and accept all those aspects of him. But he's not doing that here. He's not done that here. He's not burying who he thinks is scum. He's not trying to make it clear WHY I'm mafia or why Damdred is mafia or WHY Moosy was mafia. When in the fuck does town rayn do that? He wants his lynches. He will do anything to get his lynches from begging and pleading to arguing to bullying, etc. Those things... aren't in this game. What we see in this game is Rayn affirming himself as town. He's hiding behind Marv's read. He's hiding behind your read. He's not actively pushing why you should lynch his targets. So basically, your read is bad. Now if you ahve another read on Rayn you'd like me to tear a new asshole in, I'm game. | ||
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On September 18 2015 04:24 Palmar wrote: actually this is now the second time geript throws out a random read (the first one was me yesterday) that has two problems with it. a) it's probably wrong b) he doesn't push it at all. Also, geript still hasn't seen fit to respond to my point about his rage post (or apologize about it, to my knowledge). So yeah geript is mafia. 1. It's hard to respond when I'm playing league 2. I have pushed it I will push it. 3. Not mafia, not now, not ever | ||
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