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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On September 24 2015 08:23 justanothertownie wrote: Read the end of rayns filter. He is clearly strongly townreading me and it is not hard to see. Gone for real now. let him make his case and posts. then i'll go see if it is a pile of hot air or not. | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
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Damdred
15669 Posts
More than likely geript is going to be lynched today with an outside shot of me. I believe geript is town and I know I'm town. Here's the reasons I think geript is town. 1) A real lack of a drive to survive. If he's scum he needs to get a mislynch to get into mylo and then another to win the game. The obvious play here is to push either Damdred or Ceph today. Instead he takes the much more suicidal way of going about the voting he tackles jat. 2) Building on that Geeipt has one person who thinks he has a shot of not being scum here (me). And I don't have the thread presence to save him obviously so what's the play? Poke at what most consider town jat and hope you get ignored? While this is somewhat nai and a bit of conjecture I don't believe geript would do this as scum he would more than likely start pushing ver or myself to get into a winnable situation. And its not where he's at or where he's going. Besides that he has been incredibly wrong this game has had 0 impact on the lynch and just doesn't care as much and I see this coming from a more town aligned geript. Its a lot of feelings and what I expect from geript but id he's just going to suicide he would just concede probably. | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
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Damdred
15669 Posts
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
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Damdred
15669 Posts
and honestly if I trust you on your ceph read I have to lynch palm today yea? | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On September 24 2015 09:23 Damdred wrote: Will you at least give opinions on what I wrote. and honestly if I trust you on your ceph read I have to lynch palm today yea? i am open to hearing contrary reads on ceph and seeing if he responds to them with anything other than "that's dumb, you're dumb". i will give an opinion on it a bit later tonight if geript doesn't respond to the question i asked him. i was going to see his response first and kinda roll how i felt about your post and his response into one. if he doesn't come back i will just respond to your post. btw who is the person you feel you have the loosest read on this game? like you have a read but 0 confidence in it? | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
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Damdred
15669 Posts
The super combativeness to some extent even goes in his favor I guess. Some of the pushes look pretty good, the wile push looks good. But its tempered with the thought rayn is in the game and I'm arguing for another lynch so its a bit difficult to see anything else foing through besides those two...but its still a point in his favor. His Marv push by memory isn't as good as he was making it to be to a point. But he did say he thought Marv was scum. But Marv got off him fast and idk if Marv tried to push anything on him d2. And activity is still me which is just meh... | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
Like I'm fairly certain geript is town Rit is lock town I was reading marvs filter and its pretty filled with wifom. Reading his filter his lynch order if he could lived seemed to be, geript, cerph then me. He was super hedgy on me and contradicted what he thought of geript at points. His read progressions on hat feel flawed to a poin, goes from a decent sized acum read to a town read. Like maybe rits right about ceph Marv did push him a good bit even after wile was found out. He would be in danger of getting lynched the next day especially with his attitude. Even his palmar interactions seem strange to me. Bad idea to read his filte ri think. just have to read jats filter again and palmar and see what I can find | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
When Marv/Palmar are mafia together, I've always seen them confirm each other and work to utilize their thread capability with each other. You know, they use their names and ability to push to get people lynched; often they'll push two people and consolidate on one. It's basically how Marv operates with any vet who can control a thread in the slightest. But Marv was happy to not coordinate with Palmar and vice versa. Marv seconded my early read on Palmar (although not to the same extent) and was happy to remove the townreads on him (or try); Palmar was happy to question Marv from D2. I'm town for lots of reasons: 1. Mod confirmed on N1 when I blew up on Ceph. 2. Gave power to Marv. I'm good at mafia; but I don't think I'm good enough to simulate my town game by just sheeping (scumbuddy) Marv. I'd pull a Kita and just be less active while trying to be pushy. 3. I've been super wrong. I think I made 1 comment on thinking Wile was scum and it wasn't even fleshed out. As scum, I bother to be at least partially right. I dont' push it, but I at least bother to save room in case my partners are complete fucking retards and I have to hard carry another game. 4. Zero fucks given. I can't think of a single scum game where I've given zero fucks. I think I actually try harder as mafia than as town on average because it's just more fun. 5. I've been in no way reasonable the entire game. When have I been scum and not been at least reasonably reasonable? 6. JAT can suck my big hairy town balls. 7. Because I'd just kill Scott and not risk it. Also, i wouldn't have rb'd Koshi. Like I have really solid NKs; I lost a game because Rayn modkilled himself and I deferred to Palmar for NKs even though I knew mine were better (and would've won us the game btw). There's literally no reason for me to kill Koshi over Scott. On the other hand, there's every reason for JAT to kill him to shut him up because JAT will just try to spam his way to victory 8. I'M FUCKING MODCONFIRMED. HOW CAN DECONDUO BE SURE IF i'M FUCKING STRESSED IF I'M FUCKING SCUM???? 9. Because I don't care how I look. I haven't at all. When I'm mafia, I care to be well ahead of the "front" of the kill list line. Often, I'm leading the kill list. 10. Do I really need more. I don't know if it's Ceph or JAT, but honestly, JAT needs to die 100% because there's no way people would lynch him in lylo and there's no way town wins then. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
I'm pretty sure he's town in this situation. He seems to waver about Marv a good bit. Pushes Marv at good times for town palmar to do so and while it is in his wheel house especially the pressure n1 just seems way out of place for a palmar and Marv scum team. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
I'll read him in the morning | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On September 24 2015 08:23 ritoky wrote: dear mod, is sleeping/no lynching allowed this game? No, see voting rules in the OP | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On September 24 2015 08:27 Damdred wrote: this is somewhat nai and a bit of conjecture I don't believe geript would do this as scum he would more than likely start pushing ver or myself to get into a winnable situation. And its not where he's at or where he's going. I assume ver = ceph? The point is, while definitely the path of least resistance, this jat lynch isn't out of the blue. ritoky is confirmed he has committed (for a while I think) to thinking I'm not mafia. So pushing that is a suicide he's not gonna push himself so that leaves a) he pushes ceph. I think ritoky has been fairly open about defending ceph. b) he pushes you, and has to argue with me c) he pushes jat, and really only has to argue with jat. Like I don't think anyone has come out and called jat confirmed town or something. I think my half-assed endorsement with like 5 points of evidence that I might be wrong is the strongest speech of calling jat town anyone has. Also, remember, he has to lynch two people. Might as well not go for the easiest lynch today. | ||
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Palmar
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justanothertownie
16324 Posts
On September 24 2015 08:27 Damdred wrote: Ok so, this is a bit wifom argument to a degree but I think its correct. More than likely geript is going to be lynched today with an outside shot of me. I believe geript is town and I know I'm town. Here's the reasons I think geript is town. 1) A real lack of a drive to survive. If he's scum he needs to get a mislynch to get into mylo and then another to win the game. The obvious play here is to push either Damdred or Ceph today. Instead he takes the much more suicidal way of going about the voting he tackles jat. 2) Building on that Geeipt has one person who thinks he has a shot of not being scum here (me). And I don't have the thread presence to save him obviously so what's the play? Poke at what most consider town jat and hope you get ignored? While this is somewhat nai and a bit of conjecture I don't believe geript would do this as scum he would more than likely start pushing ver or myself to get into a winnable situation. And its not where he's at or where he's going. Besides that he has been incredibly wrong this game has had 0 impact on the lynch and just doesn't care as much and I see this coming from a more town aligned geript. Its a lot of feelings and what I expect from geript but id he's just going to suicide he would just concede probably. The reason to do what he is doing is exactly this. People calling him town for it. To the bolded: and that's why you do not do this. If he is the last mafia pushing for the easy lynches will get him scumread. His only chance of winning is being townread enough to survive today which he thinks he can achieve by being retarded and irrelevant again. On September 24 2015 13:17 geript wrote: So for why Palmar is town. When Marv/Palmar are mafia together, I've always seen them confirm each other and work to utilize their thread capability with each other. You know, they use their names and ability to push to get people lynched; often they'll push two people and consolidate on one. It's basically how Marv operates with any vet who can control a thread in the slightest. But Marv was happy to not coordinate with Palmar and vice versa. Marv seconded my early read on Palmar (although not to the same extent) and was happy to remove the townreads on him (or try); Palmar was happy to question Marv from D2. I'm town for lots of reasons: 1. Mod confirmed on N1 when I blew up on Ceph. 2. Gave power to Marv. I'm good at mafia; but I don't think I'm good enough to simulate my town game by just sheeping (scumbuddy) Marv. I'd pull a Kita and just be less active while trying to be pushy. 3. I've been super wrong. I think I made 1 comment on thinking Wile was scum and it wasn't even fleshed out. As scum, I bother to be at least partially right. I dont' push it, but I at least bother to save room in case my partners are complete fucking retards and I have to hard carry another game. 4. Zero fucks given. I can't think of a single scum game where I've given zero fucks. I think I actually try harder as mafia than as town on average because it's just more fun. 5. I've been in no way reasonable the entire game. When have I been scum and not been at least reasonably reasonable? 6. JAT can suck my big hairy town balls. 7. Because I'd just kill Scott and not risk it. Also, i wouldn't have rb'd Koshi. Like I have really solid NKs; I lost a game because Rayn modkilled himself and I deferred to Palmar for NKs even though I knew mine were better (and would've won us the game btw). There's literally no reason for me to kill Koshi over Scott. On the other hand, there's every reason for JAT to kill him to shut him up because JAT will just try to spam his way to victory 8. I'M FUCKING MODCONFIRMED. HOW CAN DECONDUO BE SURE IF i'M FUCKING STRESSED IF I'M FUCKING SCUM???? 9. Because I don't care how I look. I haven't at all. When I'm mafia, I care to be well ahead of the "front" of the kill list line. Often, I'm leading the kill list. 10. Do I really need more. I don't know if it's Ceph or JAT, but honestly, JAT needs to die 100% because there's no way people would lynch him in lylo and there's no way town wins then. The marv/Palmar thing is pure speculation. If marv feels Palmar isn't towny enough he will feel the need to call him mafia/not townread him - it was the same in assassination. 1. Wrong. The host will moderate this kind of post each and every time regardless who posts it. It doesn't matter if he thinks the person in question really feels this way or not. 2. WIFOM and bullshit. 3.-5. Yes, and that's why you are mafia. You do not give a fuck about being right this game. You act retardedly to not have to push something good and later you try to clear yourself by saying this shit. If it is so clear to you now that you haven't been reasonable then why the fuck were you like this in the first place and continue to be right now? 7. I have 0 fucking reason to shoot Koshi there. Koshi wanted to lynch marv above all and then Palmar. He said he would sheep my case on marv. So what you are trying to sell is that I not only did not shoot the tracker I was convinced was multi-shot (enough reason to clear me alone) but Koshi instead who would have sheeped me that day. Ok, you might argue "well, if he wants to kill marv then it makes sense to shoot him". That is true. But then why the heck am I killing him and STILL push and lynch marv? It makes absolutely no sense for me to do that. 8. See 1. 9. See 3.-5. 10. Yes, yes you do. People won't lynch me now and they also won't in LYLO because I am obviously town. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On September 24 2015 13:17 geript wrote: So for why Palmar is town. When Marv/Palmar are mafia together, I've always seen them confirm each other and work to utilize their thread capability with each other. You know, they use their names and ability to push to get people lynched; often they'll push two people and consolidate on one. It's basically how Marv operates with any vet who can control a thread in the slightest. This is semi-true. Generally marv figures out my alignment (especially when I'm being useful like this game). I sometimes figure him out (and I have been trying lately to be less waffly), but most of the time (I think) I waffle on him for a long time until we lynch mafia together. Like historically that has been the point where I start trusting marv. This sentence is just an introduction to a (directionless) point geript is making. Nothing in here suggests anything about my alignment, one way or the other. On September 24 2015 13:17 geript wrote: But Marv was happy to not coordinate with Palmar and vice versa. He basically avoided talking to me too much. He just wasn't there very much. In hindsight I should've thought more about it, but I guess knowing he was actually in real life afk (we're co-hosts of another game and he let me know) I gave him some leeway on activity/interactiveness. What's important here is that this is (in hindsight) very revealing about marv's alignment, but says absolutely nothing about mine. I always do my own shit if I feel I need to, and I'll do it no matter my alignment. On September 24 2015 13:17 geript wrote:Marv seconded my early read on Palmar (although not to the same extent) and was happy to remove the townreads on him (or try); Again, this makes marv mafia, it says nothing about my alignment. (He has to call me town as mafia) On September 24 2015 13:17 geript wrote:Palmar was happy to question Marv from D2. This is the only thing that says anything about my alignment. So let's summarize geript's reasons for why I'm town down to: "Palmar was happy to question Marv from D2" That's really the only thing in there that makes me town. It is, of course, correct, but I don't think it's a particularly insightful way of calling me town. I feel like this piece is more of a conclusion -> evidence process than evidence -> conclusion. | ||
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Palmar
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