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On September 03 2015 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: wow so long until game start.  goodluck frands. It's only a day or so, rayn. You'll survive. | ||
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On September 04 2015 02:21 yamato77 wrote: Don't worry, I have been assured by tina that the game will be RNG'd, despite my perfectly reasonable suggestions about who should get what roles. Did you assign yourself veteran cop PGO? | ||
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On September 04 2015 03:22 MoosyDoosy wrote: I like this line up. Especially the first two sign ups. By the way, I will try and stick true to my Day 1 meta folks so get ready for a roller coaster ride. It doesn't work if you tell people you're going to do it. | ||
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In terms of my experience, I have played a fair bit of voice mafia with rayn, but I don't think we've ever been in a forum game together. I've played with scott before, but he AFKd through most of our most recent game. I was town with GB back in Himalayas, but he was killed before I really started contributing in a meaningful way. I was town with Moosy and n00b in newbie mafia XII, although that game ended kinda abruptly (and all of us were basically confirmed town d1). The rest of the players I wouldn't say I know much about. I like to get this sort of thing out at the start as it will hopefully give you more of a sense of where my reads come from. I'm going to read back over some filters, and give some thoughts. My initial read through made me most sceptical of Moosy and n00b, especially as their play seemed very different to last time I played with them. One thing I do want to say now is that this is supposed to be a Newbie Game, and you guys have managed to fill 40 pages in a day and a bit. This is just a quick plea to make sure you think before you post - active town is great, but over-active town means that people can just sort of hide in the noise. | ||
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I hate n00b's style of posting, because there's really no reason to be so rude. I get it, you think that you're better than us all. That's fine, you might well be. But you can't honestly be surprised to find people don't like arrogant, superior people. And you're doing both in spades. If you're town, you're just digging your own grave at the moment. The post I most disliked from n00bking was #801. I think it's worth me quoting it in full: On September 06 2015 07:47 n00bKing wrote: The importance of the distinction between calling rayn's points bullshit and making a case for why he should be lynched cannot be overstated. You're right, "all that matters" is that rayn's points were being called bullshit (and they were bullshit). rayn mislabeled it as being something else, so I corrected him. Just as I corrected him when he tried to pretend I had said at some point that he is Scum. I'm sitting here reading this post, and I just keep asking myself "why does a town n00b make this post?". The only reason to call people's posts bad, without following with a read on the poster, is if you're trying to stop momentum on a wagon you think is wrong. Otherwise, you're just soft-scumming the poster. I would say probably half of n00b's filter up to now is his fight with rayn. And through all of that, he hasn't actually formed a read on him yet? How does that even make sense? If n00b is town, I don't get why he essentially causes the entirety of d1 to be about his fight with rayn, someone he doesn't even seem to have a scum read on ??? n00b is a scum-read for now. That said, there are a ton of other interesting things about this fight that are worth pondering. Yamato's thread is one I think is worth parsing a little more. He again seems to have been swept up in the fight, and is taking lots of swings at n00b. I've spent a fair amount of time talking to Yamato on TS, and I would say off the bat that his posts sound like him. But at the same time, he's a strong player and his absolute focus on n00b this early seems a little off. I'm also not sure that his post #598 makes a ton of sense. Rayn's read on Yamato is flimsy, at best. Even rayn would surely have to admit that trying to discern someone's alignment from how excited they are in their first post is pretty difficult. For two people who only know each other over the internet, it would be basically impossible. So why is yamato so keen to emphasise that he and rayn are hard town-reading each other? I think I will read Moosy and GB's filters, then head to bed. Any questions, fire away in the meantime. | ||
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On September 06 2015 08:47 n00bKing wrote: Nah, it's only a little scummy. But it's interesting that he's doing some of the same things that one of the Scum players did IN the game he's talking about (Newbie XII) that I used as reasons to lynch that exact Mafia member. Meanwhile, agree that NocturneMage comes off as Town, for the moment. ? Care to elaborate? | ||
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On September 06 2015 08:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: james' last post was super towny. First of all <3 that you're calling me James. Second of all can you give a more detailed response? If you just say you like it or you don't, it's difficult to figure out whether you agree with it, or you're just trying to pocket me. | ||
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On September 06 2015 05:12 MoosyDoosy wrote: -.- i detailed a post where i lumped people into categories but here you go: town: raynpelikoneet, yamato77 town lean: Superbia, Alakaslam null: Breshke, boxerfred, GlowingBear, scott31337, Fidei86 people to look into: nocturnemage/coughinghydra, copcake ???: n00bKing Okay, so this post. WTF. I started off by running through all the reads one by one, but the thing that really sticks out here is that MD's previous five pages of filter are basically just a defence of n00b. MD goes as far as to say that he has the best read on n00b of everyone in the game, and that he is basically SURE that this is n00b's town meta. But now that there's a wagon picking up on n00b, he's trying to walk that back? Huh? MD you really need to explain this read for me, because at the moment it really stinks. | ||
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On September 06 2015 08:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: nvm here: And nothing has made me think otherwise after i made the post. Meh. I didn't think I'd missed anything further you had on him. I dunno, that just seems like a pretty bad reason to town read someone. What people say BEFORE a game has no impact at all on their alignment, and trying to match their play with their talk before hand is a fools errand in my opinion. All of the above comes with the reasonable proviso that my read on Yamato is a bit all over the place at the moment. He's either mafia-tryharding, or he's super obvious town and I'm being overly suspicious... | ||
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On September 06 2015 09:03 Fidei86 wrote: Okay, so this post. WTF. I started off by running through all the reads one by one, but the thing that really sticks out here is that MD's previous five pages of filter are basically just a defence of n00b. MD goes as far as to say that he has the best read on n00b of everyone in the game, and that he is basically SURE that this is n00b's town meta. But now that there's a wagon picking up on n00b, he's trying to walk that back? Huh? MD you really need to explain this read for me, because at the moment it really stinks. So I went back and re-read MD's filter to put this post in context. In summary, MD's read evolution on n00b is: 1. "I know him best, this is obviously his town meta" 2. ??? 3. "Everyone else has him as scum, so I don't know" 4. "Okay so he's actually town" This doesn't seem like a logical evolution to me - especially not for someone who claims to have better insight to n00b than everyone else. I would say that it was scum setting themselves up for a mislynch, except that it's so blatant that it's sort of difficult to believe that a scum MD is that stupid... | ||
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Who do I want to lynch? I dunno. Recognise that that's kind of suboptimal from town, but I'm just not sure. I really need more time to go back through filters. If the deadline was in two minutes I'd vote for boxerfred (who seems to be the most egregious lurker), but I've got time to hopefully get a bit further tomorrow. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=30#595 | ||
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And yes, see you did respond. Skimmed up after refreshing and missed it was you as the numbering looked the same as mine. I'm unconvinced that that is a natural read progression, especially because it was so out of kilter with your posts before. That said, erratic play is probably more town indicative than Mafia indicative, so I'll treat this as a wash for now. | ||
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On September 06 2015 10:52 GlowingBear wrote: I think there is the possibility of him being Mafia. Some of his replies are really off, his tone is over the top, the dismissal of some questions and that unexplained vote on Rayn while not scum reading him are very fair indicatives. GB I have thought about this overnight and I don't know if it makes sense for scum n00b to post in the way that he has. Like, the points he makes are *okay* and a lot of them against Rayn I actually made myself. People seem to be scumming him more for his tone, and I agree he has been very obnoxious. But isn't that more likely to come from town than Mafia? Why does Mafia come in and generally make as many enemies as possible? I'm also acutely aware that it's a newbie town error just to lynch the most outspoken player d1. As to GB, I read his filter and nothing really jumped out at me. I agree with Rayn that his thread entry was highly counter-productive, and I do not agree with his outlook on blue roles in general. But anyone who was in the "why are scum winning" thread won't need me to rehash the whole GB fake cop check thing. TL:DR is that town GB makes fake blue claims which do reveal information but which also get him lynched. The whole thing is NAI for now. | ||
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Meh. I need to reflect on this game a little because right now I have a bunch of people I don't want to lynch and not many I do. Usually I'd default to policy lynch lurkers here, but I want to get a handle on the slam/Bresh/Yamato axis first. All three are experienced players, all three seem to have been playing guardedly so far, and my intuition is that at least one of them is Mafia. Anyone else around? | ||
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Has anyone here played with him before? | ||
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Does that make sense? | ||
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Just finished at my parents', so back online. | ||
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So, yeah, I won't vote to lynch her today. I'm going to go back to Slam's filter again. You said he plays with a lot of filler always - I need to try and find some of his substantive posts to really wrestle with. | ||
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His reasoning against n00b is not convincing. Whatever else you think of n00b (and I've said plenty), he hasn't shied away from dealing with specific issues. I've already said at length that I think there are issues with n00b's play, but I just think his overall play style makes more sense from a town perspective. So we've got two wagons that I think are probably town, and BF is happy with both? I think we'd be better off lynching BF. | ||
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What the hell are you talking about? Information on a BF lynch? The dude has made like two posts, and the only people who have said anything are Scott and Cake. This is just such a bad argument, I don't even know where to begin. I was pretty sure you're town, but you keep digging yourself deeper and it's getting harder and harder to keep town reading you. All that sort of contradicts with my view that we should lynch BF. Policy and posting are two totally valid reasons to lynch him imo. "Information" just isn't. | ||
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On September 07 2015 01:38 boxerfred wrote: You do realize I've read until 17 only and didn't vote, right? I answered a question that was raised towards me. Tryhard? I always try hard. I don't buy your explanation though. n00b has been playing the same the whole way through. I really have issues with it, but whatever else it is it really isn't lacking specificity. I think you're Mafia. I think you're hedging on the two lynch wagons so you can jump on whichever later and look good in the process. I think town finds the time over the last day and a half to actually read the thread (page 17 is what, 7 pages of game filter?). I need to come out of posting view now to see which questions you're talking about, because if they're after p17 then that only makes me more skeptical. | ||
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I definitely think you're a better vote than Cop or n00b though. | ||
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On September 07 2015 02:06 boxerfred wrote: Erm also I want to clarify: I'm not happy with a Cake lynch. How do you come to this? I clearly say that I don't give a scum lean! Yeah, but your arguments on her all suggested that you thought her play was scummy. That's another thing that bothered me, it's like you lost four reasons why her filter is bad, then say "maybe not a scum lean". That's about as weak and unhelpful as a read can be, and it also doesn't fit with what you said about her before. | ||
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It's trite that associative stuff d1 is very meh. What, so if BF flips Mafia cake is Mafia for saying I was scummier than BF before we both started? Or is Scott Mafia for scum reading him? I just think this argument is bad. I think BF is scummy based on his play so far. But if you're going to vote him for information, that makes me want to rethink. | ||
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I'm going to park my vote on BF for now. I think he's a much better option than either of the two leading wagons. I guess I could also move onto scott - I don't have much of a read on him and his level of contribution has been pretty weak. | ||
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But I'm actually starting to think that one of the mafia might be Superbia. A quick flick through his four page filter gave me very little sense of where he actually stands, despite the fact that he keeps pushing everyone else for their views. He also seems to be on n00b, but he isn't chiming in with a read thereon. Wondering if anyone else has any thoughts on this? I haven't seen many Superbia reads. | ||
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##Vote: GlowingBear I'll be here towards EOD. | ||
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On September 07 2015 07:44 Superbia wrote: Also Fidei86's switch to some random wagon was pretty scummy. What, because I didn't want to be on the n00b wagon? Meh. I'm not sure that GB's claim left town much choice, and I should have gone straight to n00b, but only because I liked him less than Cake, not because I thought he was Mafia. | ||
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On September 07 2015 07:48 MoosyDoosy wrote: ?? then why did u vote on me if cop and n00b were ur top lynch targets? They weren't my top targets, they were the only viable non-GB wagons. In theory I could have worked harder on my wagon on you, but it went down like a lead balloon in the thread. | ||
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On September 07 2015 07:50 Superbia wrote: Nah, because you should be switching to save the doctor. At 10m before EoD you chose to believe the claim and switched. Which means you wanted to save the doctor. But you go on some wagon no one is on. Makes me feel like "hey guys at least I switched lol". IDK. All I can say is that I'd been town-reading Cake and NK all day, basically, and I really didn't want to vote for either. You're right, I had to, but I was stubborn at first. Not much more I can say about it really. | ||
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On September 06 2015 18:53 Fidei86 wrote: GB I have thought about this overnight and I don't know if it makes sense for scum n00b to post in the way that he has. Like, the points he makes are *okay* and a lot of them against Rayn I actually made myself. People seem to be scumming him more for his tone, and I agree he has been very obnoxious. But isn't that more likely to come from town than Mafia? Why does Mafia come in and generally make as many enemies as possible? I'm also acutely aware that it's a newbie town error just to lynch the most outspoken player d1. As to GB, I read his filter and nothing really jumped out at me. I agree with Rayn that his thread entry was highly counter-productive, and I do not agree with his outlook on blue roles in general. But anyone who was in the "why are scum winning" thread won't need me to rehash the whole GB fake cop check thing. TL:DR is that town GB makes fake blue claims which do reveal information but which also get him lynched. The whole thing is NAI for now. @BF The post you're quoting from is basically my first substantive contribution of the game. After I made that post, I made the one I quote above, where I said that, on reflection, I thought n00b was town. That was my thought/read progression. I suppose you could say that it wasn't true that I had been town reading him *all day*, but I thought that was a fair enough reflection of my thought pattern, and was quicker than saying "well I did think he was initially scum, but then I thought he was town relatively early on and then I maintained that thought through EOD". Regarding your criticism more generally - I think D1 was hamstrung by the fact that rayn, n00b, MD and Cake more or less set the potential wagons quite early. Town was mostly discussing n00b v Cake all day. GB came up very late as a potential wagon. Now I will admit that I didn't strongly push my scum read on you, or on MD, but regarding you it quickly became clear that (i) nobody really agreed with my read on you, and (ii) people weren't going to move off n00b/Cake anyway. In those circumstances, it would have been a waste of time to keep pushing you. Re MD, I was panicking. As I've said before, I didn't want to vote n00b or Cake, but I basically had to choose one of them in order to save GB (when you get to reading EOD you'll notice that I got berated pretty quickly after I moved to MD). I chose MD in the heat of the moment, because there has been something that has been bugging me about his posting style all day - some of his posts are non-serious (using weird spellings, using strange phraseology) but some of his posts have been serious. I also wasn't a fan of his Cake read. But I didn't have time to make a full post on it, it was just a hunch, but it felt better than voting n00b or Cake. I quickly realised I was being stubborn and switched to n00b. I voted for him so I obviously can't avoid responsibility entirely for what happened. I should have done better at finding scum reads during D1. But if you're going to point fingers at people for not pushing their reads, you're going to have to scum read everyone except rayn, Moosy, Cake and Yamato basically, as they're the people who mostly drove discussion d1. Since that leaves eight people -- including yourself -- I'd say that it's not the best reasoning to scum read someone. Plus, you know, I'm town, so there's that. Clearly the GB claim and the n00b flip has mixed things up quite a bit. I think we're all going to need to sit down and think very carefully about who we pressure moving forward. I'll be doing that too, once I get a breather from the pressure you and scott are putting on, and probably once I get home from work this evening. | ||
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For what it's worth, I really like your case on me and how you reacted to my response. It's totally understandable to retain suspicion on me (for the reason I give above, and also because it's dumb to hard-town read someone n1), but you seem to be thinking about what I said. I think you're probably a worthy town-lean at the moment, although yeah ... we'll need help to get this train back on the tracks tomorrow, so try and get caught up asap. Sorry you're still sick. If it makes you feel any better, I'm still at work. | ||
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A) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon B) 1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 2 Mafia Goons C) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Jailkeeper, 1 Town Unaware Miller, 7 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Framer, 1 Mafia Goon Given the above roles, I definitely do not think that it makes sense that the vig, veteran or jailkeeper CC. The vig will be able to claim as soon as the vig takes his shot, which I understand they tend to quite early in games anyway (is that right? HTS always advocated shooting lurkers, but we haven't had any absolutely trash-tier lurkers this game, really, except BF who has picked it up overnight). No need to rush. There's only a 1/3 chance that if GB is mafia he's the RBer anyway, and even then, the RBer has to double-stack with the KP anyway, and all he'd be blocking would be the veteran, so it's hardly a priority to kill him. The veteran doesn't need to claim because the vig *will* claim at some point, following his shot. I don't think the jailkeeper should claim because his role is too valuable to trade for just one mafia's life AT THIS STAGE. As I said above, the flips mean that if you're the JK and you die, the information you have viz GB comes out anyway. I'd rather have you doing work in the background. The only CC that might be valuable is if we have an actual doctor. My reasoning here is that GB has 2/3 chance (assuming his was a panic and not pre-planned claim) of being either the GF or the roleblocker. Both have a big chance of screwing over the cop checks - the cop being the other blue role. The only downside is that the doc probably gets NKd N2, unless of course GB flips RBer, in which case he can save himself anyway. IDK, I wanted to riddle the above out, but I'd like to hear what others thing. Getting another mafia now would be huge, and given the mafia power roles, it might just be worth trading the doctor for. That said, I've never really been through a claim-counterclaim scenario, so others will no doubt have more thoughts than I do. | ||
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On September 07 2015 22:06 Breshke wrote: So fidel do you not think the inconsistency I pointed out is a big deal or? This is an honest question (for some reason it feels like that came off as agressive) because i feel like it is fairly damming but no one else is really talking about it. Um, I don't think I really follow your point. Could you talk me through it? | ||
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Yes it is an inconsistency, although you are assuming that GB had the same thing in mind as you did re his "Breshke knows". You're probably right on that. The trouble I have is that both points are super dumb. GB must have known that making a claim your first post was going to draw scrutiny from town. If he is the medic, Mafia would probably ignore a vig claim in their blue hunt, or alternatively would kill townies most likely to solve the game anyway. Also, using a claim as a way of getting conversation IF YOU ARE A BLUE only serves to make you look scummier (leading town to "lynch all liars"). My view on this is that, given the set up, if GB's claim is fake then it will come out in due course anyway. Either we'll get a vigi shot, or we'll get a blue flip. Or, we'll get to Lylo-1 and someone will CC. The only reason to CC now is if there is a medic out there who thinks that the chance of GB being the RBer or GF plus the utility that gives the cop is worth trading their life for. My thinking on this now is tending towards no, although it's pretty finely balanced. If I was a weaker town player, I'd consider claiming just because that keeps stronger town alive longer. If GB is the real medic, Mafia have to kill him at some point, or alternatively use their RB exclusively on him, meaning the cop can operate unmolested. So, in answer to your question, yes it is super dumb, and it probably means that GB is Mafia. But game mechanics will eventually out him or exonerate him, and town would be better advised trying to find other scum. Lynching him and finding out he's medic would be super disastrous, and I don't think his flip gives us enough associative info to make it worthwhile. | ||
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On September 08 2015 02:00 scott31337 wrote: I think it's shit that will sort itself out a lot more on D2 and we have two more mafia to find anyway. I think it's fake if you want the real answer. Why do you think it's fake? | ||
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On September 08 2015 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you are town no, there arem't. so you are probably mafia. ? | ||
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I'm going to read back over some filters, and give some thoughts. My initial read through made me most sceptical of Moosy and n00b, especially as their play seemed very different to last time I played with them. I'm sitting here reading this post, and I just keep asking myself "why does a town n00b make this post?". The only reason to call people's posts bad, without following with a read on the poster, is if you're trying to stop momentum on a wagon you think is wrong. Otherwise, you're just soft-scumming the poster. I would say probably half of n00b's filter up to now is his fight with rayn. And through all of that, he hasn't actually formed a read on him yet? How does that even make sense? If n00b is town, I don't get why he essentially causes the entirety of d1 to be about his fight with rayn, someone he doesn't even seem to have a scum read on ??? n00b is a scum-read for now. GB I have thought about this overnight and I don't know if it makes sense for scum n00b to post in the way that he has. Like, the points he makes are *okay* and a lot of them against Rayn I actually made myself. People seem to be scumming him more for his tone, and I agree he has been very obnoxious. But isn't that more likely to come from town than Mafia? Why does Mafia come in and generally make as many enemies as possible? I'm also acutely aware that it's a newbie town error just to lynch the most outspoken player d1. So BF, hearing his name get mentioned as a possible policy lynch, enters the thread and basically gets on board with the n00b and the Cake wagons, then calls Rayn town for meta reasons. His reasoning against n00b is not convincing. Whatever else you think of n00b (and I've said plenty), he hasn't shied away from dealing with specific issues. I've already said at length that I think there are issues with n00b's play, but I just think his overall play style makes more sense from a town perspective. @n00bking What the hell are you talking about? Information on a BF lynch? The dude has made like two posts, and the only people who have said anything are Scott and Cake. This is just such a bad argument, I don't even know where to begin. I was pretty sure you're town, but you keep digging yourself deeper and it's getting harder and harder to keep town reading you. Ugh. Rayn, I'm concerned you're too tunnelled on n00b. I don't want to have to choose between voting Cake and n00b. I'm going to park my vote on BF for now. I think he's a much better option than either of the two leading wagons. I guess I could also move onto scott - I don't have much of a read on him and his level of contribution has been pretty weak. Right, okay. So, I have pretty serious reservations about this lynch, but I think it's probably a better lynch than n00b or Cake, and those seem to be my other options. ##Vote: GlowingBear I'll be here towards EOD. yeah, you guys were right, no way I build a wagon on MD now. So I have to move to NK. Ugh. | ||
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I'll admit to not having any good reads d1, and to flailing around a bit wildly. Those are probably good reasons to scum read me. But I wish you'd stop misrepresenting my read evolution on n00b!! | ||
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On September 08 2015 07:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: The only other option is Moosy is mafia. There is no way yamato dies over me otherwise. NK WIFOM best WIFOM? | ||
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On September 08 2015 07:38 Breshke wrote: Fidei without the claim do you want to lynch GB? Even with the claim like it is a shit claim if he was actually a doctor I have no doubt he would claim blue there not "doctor". But no claiming the specific role have him a better chance of survival. You have to just sack up and lynch the fake claim sometimes I dunno - claiming "blue" is so much harder to counter-claim. If he claims blue, it's so much safer for him as mafia, because then he is only really a confirmed liar once at least one, but perhaps two of the blues flip. Now if he's mafia, he knows the setup, so he obviously doesn't claim any of the roles that aren't here. But even then, if he claims blue then neither the doctor or the cop can prove he's lying until their counter-part flips. I just flicked back through his filter. I actually thought some of his reads were okay. He had read evolution on rayn (from scum, to scum-lean/null), his read on n00b was right and he pointed out some sharp things about scott's filter and a couple of the other less-read people. FWIW, I also agree with his early flame post on rayn - the things rayn started off saying were so over the top, it wasn't even real. I don't think GB was right to instantly scum-read rayn for them, but he can be forgiven I think, because he pulled his read back later. The biggest black mark against him is definitely his drop off in activity - particularly in the time leading up to the vote and the vote itself. That, and he seemed content to park his vote on scott rather than making a decision about the two wagons that actually had a shot of going somewhere. That is pretty scummy behaviour (yes, yes, I did the same on BF, but I wasn't indifferent about the lynch at all, whereas GB did seem that way). And if he really was sleeping, it's super convenient that he came back at exactly the right time to claim and get an alternative wagon going. And the contradiction you pointed out earlier was telling. IDK, I'd say he's probably null for me because it all just balances out. And his weird early claim thing totally fits with the meta I've seen from him, which is to make weird fake claim plays to try and bait out mafia (he did it in Himalayas, for example). I definitely thought he was a better lynch than n00b or Cake, but I wasn't super enthusiastic about it then either. But all of that is sort of irrelevant - he's claimed now and my view is that, mechanically, lynching into the fake check is a risk we don't have to take - the flips will reveal his alignment in due course, and it's not like we can get rid of KP. Yeah, getting the RBer or the GF would be nice, but I don't know if it's worth the trade, given that there is no miller and the RBer is unlikely to find the cop this early. | ||
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On September 08 2015 07:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Then why do you suggest yamato dies over me? there is literally zero reason for that regardless of how good/bad my reasons are unless you think either: 1) GB is mafia 2) i am mafia so which one is it? I thought yamato was much more towny than you. I know that when you're town, you always think that it must be BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS to everyone that you are also town. But there is no reason for mafia yamato to move his vote from n00b (confirmed town) onto GB so late in the day, in a manner that's going to force his scum-mates to make a difficult decision under pressure. His read evolution on GB was also very organic. I think he was much townier than you. And even if you call it a wash, at least he was posting thoughtful posts. You're posting some thoughtful stuff, but you're also posting a lot of hyperbole that's distracting town and that's useful for mafia. I agree, your alignment probably isn't the same as GBs. But I've seen too many bus attempts to rely solely on that to read someone. | ||
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Okay, well that makes d2 a little more ... interesting. Easier too! It's not really a hard decision for me here. I see no reason for a scum rayn to CC. We're not likely to lynch him this turn, and it's waaaaaay too early for him to be using the CC to try and save his mafia allies. It's just way to sub-optimal. Also, rayn's rage, while kind of ... you know ... cluttering ... makes sense from what I read of his meta. His switch off GB right at the end is a little bit suspect - if he is actually the cop then why move your vote? But maybe he figured that if he stayed on it then he would out himself as the cop? IDK. I think if I'm in his position then I probably just stay on GB. But, it's not like this game has been played optimally so far. It's gotta be GB boys. ##Vote: Glowing Bear | ||
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What I meant was that, before rayn's CC, there's no way town lynch him. Zero. And it's also totally unclear who town *would* have lynched. The only reason mafia CC's the actual doctor is if he or his scum partners are in danger. Why trade 1 for 1, when you can just keep RBing GB and kill other townies? If rayn is mafia, that CC is so hilariously sub-optimal that I refuse to believe he makes it. So it has to be GB. | ||
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On September 08 2015 08:11 CopCake wrote: Dude, which game are you playing? Rayn claimed doctor I meant doctor. Actually made that mistake in my last post before changing it. In my defence ... uh ... it's late in the UK and I meant to go to bed a while ago? | ||
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Apart from the doc/cop confusion, what part of this don't you understand? | ||
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On September 08 2015 08:13 GlowingBear wrote: His claim is obviously fake. It's clearly out of rage, wether it's forced or not. Why would he be raging if he was mafia? If rayn *is* mafia, before the CC he's at home with his slippers on laughing over some whisky about how dumb town are. He's got it made. The doctor has claimed N1, he's universally town-read and he can probably choose his lynch for today (looks like a push on me would have got a lot of traction, for example). But instead he CCs? No. You're mafia. | ||
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Okay, please explain to me in small words with few syllables exactly what part of that post you don't like/understand? | ||
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On September 08 2015 08:17 GlowingBear wrote: I don't understand how you can not identify that his claim is fake. He voted me, then Moosy doosy, then he said I am the most anti town player. Use your mind. If he was really the doc, would he move out of my lynch on day1? Your sheep here is extremely bad and opportunistic IDK. That's the only reason I have for even doubting his CC for a second. But it's nowhere near enough to go against the fact that his CC makes absolutely no sense from a mafia perspective whatsoever, and although rayn is raging, he's not an idiot. | ||
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On September 08 2015 08:58 MoosyDoosy wrote: eh. i still think it's copcake + fidei with someone else but i might be getting too tunneled. fidei comes off looking worse from this. BEFORE I GO TO BED I WANT TO POINT OUT IN ALL CAPITALS THAT MOOSY HAS NEITHER OF THE CLAIMED F****** DOCTORS IN HIS F****** SCUM LIST. LIKE IT MIGHT NOT BE EITHER OF THEM? Are you kidding me with this shit? | ||
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I've got to say I found your post on Rayn v GB unconvincing. You said that you believe GB's case on me (which is basically "how could he believe Rayn?"), and that you think there is a flaw in rayn's argument, but that you still want to vote GB because you're town reading Rayn? I mean, the claims change everything. I don't think "I'm town reading Rayn" is sufficient reason to choose him. The claim context analysis is far more important - rayn's claim makes no sense from a Mafia perspective, whereas GB's does. But more importantly than that, I want to know why Scott is in your town circle? Has he done something particularly towny that I missed? | ||
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IDK, what is there for Bresh to re-evaluate? He already thought GB's claim was fake. Rayn's CC just confirms it in his mind. That totally makes sense to me from a town perspective. It is possible he was trying to bus. Need to read his filter quickly. | ||
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But that actually changes my view somewhat - I'd also thought he was on the GB wagon for some reason. In the circumstances where GB already fake claims, mafia Bresh would have nothing to lose by pressuring him, especially because it was reasonable to assume town would not lynch into him without a CC. So, yeah. Bresh loses his town Jesus cred for now. | ||
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On September 08 2015 17:45 boxerfred wrote: Fidei seriously start stepping it up. You're active but you have so many mis-calls, misreading stuff over and over, arguing really bad - I really didn't like your "rayn's claim is real" stuff especially since you argued so try-hard "I'm naive and instabelieve it". Sorry, I think before the post that I quoted, there was no way to know that it's a true CC. Only way to know that it's a real CC is if you'd be scum and GlowingBear would be your ally. Well I can't really respond to the first one, other than to say yes, I've made a couple more typographical and comprehension errors than usual here. They're all innocent, and I've admitted to all of them. IDK, I would argue that that's more of a town tell, since mafia are usually more concerned about what they post and whether it makes them look bad, and this would be my first time as mafia too. Still, point taken. But as to your second point - please explain to me what you don't like about the case. A few people have said this and I really don't get it. Like, from a claims analysis perspective, rayn's CC makes *no* sense if he's mafia. Why tie himself so closely to the GB flip, when literally everyone is town-reading him? If he was mafia and knew GB's claim was real, why on earth would he make it so that he is auto-lynched D3? GB's claim, by comparison, was made in the heat of the moment to save his life. In those circumstances, a fake claim to get a townie killed makes perfect sense. I'm genuinely confused now why this isn't obvious to everyone. Am I making some leap of logic somewhere? | ||
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On September 08 2015 09:28 MoosyDoosy wrote: no this can be false because i think you are angry as you are right now and that you're putting enough faith into your gb read to try and kill him. Moosy, I'm trying to get a handle on whether you actually believe what you're saying here. Let me get this straight - you think that it is possible TOWN Rayn is fake counter-claiming DOCTOR GlowingBear, because Rayn is so angry at GB? Let's consider that for a moment. When you get a claim/counter-claim situation as town then you absolutely have to, 100% of the time, lynch whichever of the claimers you don't believe. If they flip blue, you lynch the other claimer. You do this because there is no reason to think that the town claimer is lying. The reason for THAT is because if Rayn is VT and he's CCing GB, he will know we willl have to lynch them both. Town don't lie on these sorts of CCs because if they are wrong, it means two guarantees mislynches, and it ALSO means that town waste two days. Let's say GB flips blue. We then lynch Rayn. We have to as he is a confirmed liar. If Rayn then flips green, we're in triple lylo with no doctor. Put another way, town Rayn would be staking the entire game on his read of GB. More or less. Rayn might be emotional, but he's not a moron. I just refuse to believe that he's that idiotic and egotistical. I have been in voice-Mafia games where he has done this (I think), but those are just quick throwaway games for fun - this is a huge forum game where everyone is putting in hours and hours of time. It's very different. The only reason not to scum read Moosy is that his read of the situation is so far off the beaten path, and makes so little sense, I don't see scum pushing it. Rayn - if you are VT then you will need to personally apologies to every town member for throwing. Everyone else- the vote today is GB 100%. Please read what I said earlier above about the context of Rayn and GB's claim, if you're unsure. | ||
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On the basis that GB flips Mafia (which I'd put at 94.9%, with the 5% being that Rayn is more arrogant than I thought and is fake claiming as town, and 0.1% Rayn is actually mentally retarded and is CCing as mafia), I see no world where Slam is Mafia. Slam was on the GB wagon before it was cool. And it wasn't just a throwaway read, he continually pushed him all day and even tried to keep people on him at the end. And he wanted to lynch him today regardless. I have other reasons to town read him. His read on n00b was similar to mine - he thought n00b was town, or at least was not convinced he was Mafia - but he was frustrated with noob's play. His explanation of his Bresh read was weird, but weird in a good way, like he was thinking something dumb that he thought better of. Finally, he mixes filler-type posts with analysis, and his comments are both probing (ie asking questions), pro-active (ie here's what we should do) and responsive. Also he seems to be one of the few people who is correctly town reading me, so he gets points for that. | ||
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On September 08 2015 21:20 MoosyDoosy wrote: no i never said that. i said gb's claim makes little sense in the first place and that he was probably lying. but i do think rayn is VT and just super confident in his read enough / angry enough to counter claim to get gb lynched. For the reasons I've already given, I would be VERY surprised if Rayn isn't the doctor. But whatever. I disagree with you pretty strongly on this, but being wrong (in my eyes) doesn't make you Mafia. I'll read your Cake case later. Phone is about to die. | ||
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MD: "reads" aren't the most important thing here. We have a claim and a counter-claim. Look at the circumstances. Rayn's makes sense, GB's doesn't. reads can feed into that, but having a "read" on someone like Cake, be stronger than the claim analysis just strikes me as super-duper weird. I shouldn't have to explain this. | ||
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"Peter, do you want the mystery box or the boat?" "Well a boat is a boat but the mystery box could be anything! It could even be a boat! You know I've always wanted one of those." | ||
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On September 08 2015 22:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have literally zero reason to post until EoN2. Doesn't help i would most likely end up arguing with scummydoosy. False. We need to keep looking for the other 2 scum. Wasting a day is what the Mafia are hoping we'll do. Wow, the 1% on my phone has gone a while... | ||
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On September 09 2015 00:55 GlowingBear wrote: LOL I wake up to see that you guys are really voting me after all. After I'm lynched, please go after Rayn and fidei. After Rayn flips Mafia, go after fidei. I was voting fidei because I thought that Rayn could be angry VT fake claiming because he wanted me dead. It's not the first time I would see it. But Rayn had enough time to reevaluate and play pro-town. He didn't. It should be crystal clear that Rayn isn't the doctor even if I hadn't claimed. Maybe you'll have to explain why it should be clear that rayn isn't the doctor, since nobody else seems to be seeing it... | ||
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On September 09 2015 01:26 GlowingBear wrote: Again? I'll gonna explain in a list because it seems people don't read full posts. 1) at day1 asks power roles that doesn't have a vigi on their setup to claim. This doesn't makes sense if he is the doctor 2) I claim doctor, he moves away from my lynch. If he is the doctor he never does that. 3) at the start of day2, places a vote in me, but changes to moosydoosy. If he is the doctor, he places his vote on me and never let go. 1. IDK, this is strange, since he'd basically be outing the cop. One explanation is that, as the medic, he'd be able to save the cop n1. But yeah, this is sub-optimal play because the medic can't save the same person on consecutive nights. Just as well the cop didn't claim, I guess. Still, this doesn't make him mafia, it just makes him wrong. 2. If he hadn't moved, he would have made himself an excellent choice for blue-sniping. He was an okay choice for mafia to shoot anyway, honestly, but still. If he says "I am never ever moving off GB ever", he definitely wears the shot and the roleblock. IDK, trying to WIFOM mafia night actions is hard, but this is probably the explanation that makes most sense. 3. Meh, maybe he thought that my argument (don't lynch GB because flips will out him in due course anyway) made him think that people weren't going to be up for lynching you today, so he thought he'd lead town in a more productive direction. In conclusion, yes, I agree the above are sub-optimal play / strange. But there is no way that they outweigh the fact that the other two options are: - rayn is mafia, and he CC'd you, thereby ensuring his death D3, where he would have been in no difficulty otherwise. Also his CC was so early in the day that it can't have been intended to save a scum-mate under pressure - nobody was under any pressure yet! This is just a terrible, terrible, terrible play from a mafia rayn, and it seems super unlikely. - rayn is VT. In which case he gets the aforementioned nad kicking for being the worst townie ever in the history of my experience in mafia. | ||
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Actually, no, because if there's a vig in the setup, whoever it is, then they 1,000,000,000,000% shoot GB overnight, unless they're really really dumb. IDK whether the other setup (cop/JK is possible either) ... in that scenario if he was the JK he doesn't claim because he can't save himself I don't think, and if he's the cop then he doesn't know you're not the actual medic. So yeah, those possibilities aren't worth discussing. | ||
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Anyway, yeah. Like I said, you're 95% Mafia. No chance I move off you. I've heard your arguments and I think mine are stronger. I liked Superbia's effort in his list post earlier, but I totally disagree with his Slam read. I basically think I need to get to grips with Cake, because I think figuring out her alignment will make this a bunch easier. I'm out this evening but I'll be back on tonight. | ||
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On September 09 2015 06:21 NocturneMage wrote: damn I lost my last post gah md, her top scumreads were you/nk/gb I faulted her for her reads on you/slam/gb, the n00bking read was reasonable and so didn't cite it it's possible she's mafia for pushing n00bking, would easily be able to take advantage of that but again at face value it's reasonable, I and plenty others saw fault with nk's gameplay to scumread or vote him but yet again, this conflicts with her interactions with gb, again assuming gb flips scum so therefore it's not reasonable to top read her now, not in your current world and not unless you think gb is flipping town The thing is dude that yes, she did read GB as scum, but the mentions of him were pretty sparse, and she said on more than one occasion that she much preferred to lynch n00b or Moosy. I don't think she gets nearly as much town cred from her GB read as you are giving her. The issue I have with Cake ... Well there are two. 1. She clearly has her own way of playing and of typing, and I personally find it quite difficult to follow. I just read her entire filter, and it's all so conversational and responsive that it's difficult to get a real sense of where she stands. It's not that this makes her Mafia, it means that my read on her is likely to be bad. 2. I'm kind of confused by her and Rayn having "ride or die" town reads on each other. I think Rayn is about to be exonerated by the GB flip, but cake came into the thread and straight away was convinced Rayn was town. I find that ... Suspicious. Like, you can be friends OOG, like me and HTS (<3) but we're never gonna give each other a free pass in Mafia. Yes, I have a Rayn town read- everyone does. But if you read Cake's filter, you'll see that a LOT of the posts are based on the premise that Rayn is town. If Rayn were to flip Mafia, her filter would be just awful. And that's the best reason to scum read her imo. So yeah, I think Cake is a scum read for me now. i think before I was taken in by her conversational style, which seemed towny (see point 1 above). The only reason I hate this read is that it probably makes Moosy town. But my read on Moosy is evolving in the same way as my read on n00b - his posts are too dumb to be Mafia. Still, that leaves me with only Slam and Rayn as solid town reads, Moosy as 'probably dumb town' and a whole lot of null and cake as a very slight scum lean. | ||
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On September 09 2015 06:34 CopCake wrote: For the people who think I am mafia: WHY THE FUCK WOULD I KILL YAMATO WHO FUCKING TOWNSREADS ME AND WOULD PROTECT ME FOREVERS? In that scenario he wouldn't be a treat to me. Cake, can you please link us to the post where Yamato says he town-reads you? I just went back through his filter and I saw one post where he said "I don't like MD, therefore I don't like the Cake lynch", but that's hardly ... like a strong read. But I may have missed it. NK WIFOM is always dangerous, but if there's something I missed where Yamato said that then that would be kinda strong evidence the other way. | ||
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On September 09 2015 06:58 NocturneMage wrote: she didn't say much fidei but it was early but then take into account what she did with him at eod - she voted him over n00bking, who was mislynched - she called out gb for claiming too late do you really think partners would do this? Sure. It's typical mafia play to include your scum buddies as soft-scum reads early on. It's not what your reads are, it's what you do with them and how you push them. Obviously people have scum reads, and having a scum read and not pushing them is hardly a reliable mafia tell. That said, you don't get *town* cred for having your mafia buddy on your scum list. You get town cred for jumping onto a mafia wagon early, or for pinging out a mafia player early AND pushing them. That's why yamato was the NK, imo. No way he ever gets MLed after he pushes GB. It's also why I think Slam is a pretty safe townread. Even scott gets some too, although less. I don't think Cake gets very much. | ||
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On September 09 2015 07:51 CopCake wrote: He said i was hard to read but now he says I am easily scum :D ... I said that I thought you were a scum-lean. I didn't say you were "easily scum". And I said you were potential scum because of your read on rayn, not because of your meta or your tone or your style. Other people have based their reads in part on that stuff, but I don't know how reliable it is BECAUSE I think you are hard to read. | ||
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Scott was the second vote, so he gets lots of town points. Scott was also getting quite a lot of flack from GB, which is kinda convincing too. Seems unlikely that GB would throw his vote onto his scum buddy when nobody else was really on scott. Rayn is basically the confirmed doctor. Cake gets *some* town cred, but her reads on GB were pretty weak, so it's nowhere near as much as Slam or scott. I need to read Superbia, NM and Breshke's reads on GB. Breshke AFKing in such a contested lynch is suspicious, but he's on a different timeline. Moosy refusing to vote GB, despite the overwhelming evidence that he was mafia following rayn's CC is just so dumb, IDK, it feels like arrogant town play, rather than incredibly dense mafia play. I remind you all that I was pretty early onto the GB wagon, for what it's worth. It's not like I had a good read on GB, I'll admit, but I was like third or fourth or something. I also was the one who riddled out the hardest against GB's claim. I really feel that the scum team is most likely two of Cop, NM, Superbia and Breshke. | ||
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"Bussing" is thrown around a lot here, but honestly I've seen mafia pile on to plenty of mafia wagons. The thing to look out for is: 1. Does their vote feel organic and well supported by reasoning, or does it seem opportunistic; AND 2. Was their vote early enough that it actually made a difference, either in gaining the lynch momentum or pushing it over the edge? For me, I honestly had a pretty poor read on GB d1. I did post that his reads were all over the place, but it wasn't a hard read or anything. My reasoning for switching onto him was basically "I hate the Cake and the Rayn lynches", and GB seemed like the much better option to me. I was fourth or fifth onto him. So I was either the hammer, or I was near enough. On d1. I think it was fairly obvious that a big wagon was going to build on him (scott, for example, hadn't voted yet but he was scum reading GB), so I get less town cred than otherwise. But yeah, I think I should get a fair bit. I was also the only one making the obvious argument that GB's claim was rubbish and rayn's claim was correct. I get WAY less credit for that, because it was so frikkin' obvious. I've been playing voice all evening, so I'll have to follow-up the filters in the morning. | ||
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"I hate the Cake and the n00b lynches". Not "I hate the Cake and the Rayn lynches." | ||
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On September 10 2015 10:05 MoosyDoosy wrote: cool. superbia/boxer/breshke/moosy? Like, what even is this post? You've been scum reading Cake all game, and I feel like you've been softing me for a while. Then you come out after Rayn says he thinks we're both town (idk how doctor would even confirm someone when the night kill went through n1), and basically say "oh cool, I've been wrong all game, but happy to take your word for it!" And then you include yourself in the possible scum list?!? ... Ugh. If you're town, you're playing such a weird game, I don't even know. I thought you were too dumb to be Mafia, but you're testing that read now. | ||
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On September 10 2015 10:13 Breshke wrote: I was just considering this. Superbia was the only town lean he justified like why? Who who justified? GB or Moosy? | ||
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1. I thought his thread entry was NAI. 2. I sort of agreed with him that rayn was being *way* over the top in the early part of the game. 3. I thought that his reads and his votes were all over the place, which I thought was strange. 4. I thought that the n00b and the cake lynches were bad, and I figured that GB was more likely to flip mafia. I was also sort of re-assured that rayn was willing to switch, as I was town reading him. So basically my reservations were "I really don't have a strong read on this guy", so it's sort just a percentage play. | ||
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On September 10 2015 21:26 MoosyDoosy wrote: fidei, you also still haven't given thoughts on the people you listed earlier. if it helps, i liked your filter a lot more than i thought i would after reading through it and this might be my last set of interrogations for you in a while. I played voice till 2am with rayn, superbia and Cake (superbia's actually a really strong player, guys, just in case you didn't know him from before), then I passed out, then I ran to get to work and then I've been working all morning. I just logged in on my lunch break. Now I need to go back to work. I double promise that I will filter dive the people I pinged out last night, and you can lynch me if I don't. | ||
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I think this game is actually really easy. I think the GB flip gave us a lot of information. TOWN Slam. He's on GB early, he never believes him, he doesn't want to move off him. Rayn. RIP buddy. Scott. I don't see any reason for a scum GB to cast suspicion on scott in a situation where neither of them looked like they were going to be the lynch at all. Scott also posted that he thought the early GB wagon was pure - no reason to confirm that many town as mafia. Fidei. Town Moses. I shall take us to the promised land! MEH MoosyDoosy. I really don't think it's possible to be this dumb and be mafia. Everything he has posted has been so laughably stupid that I think it probably comes from a place of genuine confusion. Cake. Nocturne Mage pointed out that she was early on the GB wagon. IDK about that - GB was one of her top three scum reads. But I think that town Cake likely just borrowed her reads from rayn. She also said some pretty rude things about GB in her list post, which was WAY before the GB wagon started. Boxerfred. He has been so inactive that it's difficult to get a good read on him. Also, he posted he had "no idea" on GB (#1163), which is usually a mafia-esque way to read your mafia buddy. He also made this really weird post at (#1169) where he asked me to give my reads on n00b and Cake, even after I feel like I'd said quite a few times that I didn't like the lynch on either of them. He is super meh. I have no particular reason to scum read him or town read him. NocturneMage. NocturneMage's writing style really grates me. It comes across as quite polished and clipped, but not fluid. His reads are also quite strange. At one point he town-read Bresh, but later said that it would be good for the cop to check him? I didn't like a lot of his posts, but he's clearly putting effort in. Also, he had an early post where he town-read Superbia and Bresh, so I don't see him being on a team with them. SCUM The main reason why I'm "meh" reading all of the above is because I'm pretty sure that the mafia pairing is Bresh and Superbia. Superbia. His early reads on GB are poor. He says "Do you really think GB is mafia here?" (#216) and then he later says "GB is idk". As I said above, this is a classic way for mafia to read mafia. He later says "Don't know about slam/gb. Both are very much on the sidelines." Pretty much all of his early filter are questions, and they don't seem massively pertinent ones either. They're mostly just prodding. On d2, right at the start, he asks for the CC without *any* reasoning whatosever. Then, again, he says at the beginning of N2 that the cop should post their checks EON 2, IN A SITUATION WHERE RAYN IS 99% THE DOCTOR AND WILL GET SHOT. He has a late cake town read that comes out of nowhere. Breshke. This one is easy, IMO. He has an early town read on GB which he doesn't explain, and which he takes back once GB comes under suspicion. He early votes on Slam with little/no justification. However, crucially, he basically rescinds his Slam read, but then LEAVES HIS VOTE ON SLAM TO EOD. He says he slept in. But his Slam vote went in super early. That makes no sense, particularly when he seems to indicate he has a scum read on n00b early on, and n00b is plainly a lynch candidate. Once GB fake claims, mafia know he's dead, so I don't think you get very much/any cred for that. I would say I'm much more certain on Bresh than I am on Superbia, but I still think this is by far the most likely scum team. | ||
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Rayn. Jesus dude. | ||
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Also, is your case on MD "three people are scum reading him"? | ||
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He AFKs through the day 1 vote, which was hugely important, then he comes back just a little bit afterwards, claiming he overslept. But in the meantime, he had left his vote on Slam, who he was town reading. That to me is super scummy, and I think we should be voting him off first. | ||
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No I've never played with Slam before. But hang on a sec, you think that I'm an "unknown" and that I'm pocketing you by calling you a good player (IDK, I was impressed by you on voice, but then I always think voice players are good, other than LightningStrike :-) ). But then you say that you think we should lynch my #1 scum read, who is also someone nobody else really seems to have been on at all? | ||
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On September 12 2015 01:03 Breshke wrote: Who is the doctor? Would you not think this information is good for town since mafia probably RB them last night since there is no reason for them not to save rayn Give a reason why you think so aswell No no no no. 1. We don't know for sure what the set up is. You have tmi. 2. The doctor cannot save someone two nights in a row. If there is a doctor, they probably saved Rayn n1 BECAUSE RAYN WAS BEGGING THE MEDIC TO SAVE HIM. There is no need for blue claims today. It's still 7-2. If we ML today and it's not a blue, and the Mafia don't kill a blue overnight, both blues should THEN claim imo, because we're at Lylo-1 and if they don't claim then there isn't enough time to lynch the competing claims (if any). But claiming today is dumb, since the Mafia RBer is blind and so there is an okay chance of whatever power roles we do have achieving something useful. Pretty sure Bresh is Mafia now. Still think he could well be with Superbia - they are both now more active than they've been all game, and it's on the back of me linking them in my big post. They might well be fighting to try and distance themselves from each other. This sort of spam arguing is super unhelpful to town because it clutters the thread and gets tiresome. | ||
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On September 12 2015 01:16 Alakaslam wrote: I have also moved on from scum reading Moosy. Moosy may be right on Boxerfred, frankly. If I was right about Breshke too, imma throw bricks Slam what's your read on Breshke/Superbia right now? | ||
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On September 12 2015 01:17 Alakaslam wrote: Har har. Iow you think he is town but playing scummy. Then help him instead of this Ugh. You're right. Still at work phone posting, but I'll look over MD's filter this evening. I didn't look at it during my filter dives yesterday. But why does MD keep pushing CopCake? It's fairly clear by now that nobody but him and NM want that lynch. If he's not going to start playing the game properly, he's beyond my help. | ||
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On September 12 2015 01:18 MoosyDoosy wrote: Fidei follow up on your list of promised reads. Like you haven't given them yet lol. I posted them just before the N2 flip. Tl;Dr it's Bresh and Superbia. | ||
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On September 12 2015 01:21 Superbia wrote: You're obviously wrong. Why are you wrong? *deep breath* Okay, then please explain to me the towny motivation for taking up the last four pages of thread time with a totally pointless fight with Bresh about who the doctor is, and an even more pointless fight with Moosy, who really needs to take a knee for five minutes and collect his thoughts. I don't see how it is in any way obvious that I am wrong. And I don't need to convince you that you're Mafia, I need to convince everyone else. | ||
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On September 12 2015 01:24 Alakaslam wrote: FWIW, if that is what he believes he IS playing properly. Touché. | ||
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On September 12 2015 01:27 Superbia wrote: Are you serious? How was it pointless? Do you still think breshke and me are together after that? Or Breshke and MD? Or me and MD? Yes, I still think it's you and Bresh. As I said, it's perfectly possible for Mafia to coordinate this sort of thing, and it makes sense as I have linked you together. If you'd done this d1 or d2, you'd have a point. Now, you don't. And honestly, the fact that the only thing you can think of to justify the fight is that it distances you from Bresh/Moosy just fortifies me in that belief. | ||
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And to top it all off, the topic you chose (is there a doctor, who are the PRs) just isn't helpful to town, at all. And at the end of it all you don't seem to have taken anything out of it. And, at the end of it, you both instantly turn your guns on me and seemingly forget what just went on before between you. That's my read on this situation. There's obviously a ton more work to do in this game, but, yeah. | ||
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On September 12 2015 02:45 MoosyDoosy wrote: Fidei, that argument was worth it. If you can't at least get 3 reads out of it then you're speculating too much and not actually critically analyzing stuff. Which honestly seems like what you're doing anyway. I'm not going to argue with you, Moosy. I've given my reads and thoughts on the game, and the argument, and I'll keep giving them as and when necessary. I've nothing else to say to you at the moment. I think I've already made my thoughts on your play perfectly clear. | ||
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On September 13 2015 05:10 Superbia wrote: Oh man. Can we just kill fidei and hope he flips mafia so it confirms me as town? Superbia can you please talk me through your scum read on me (if you have one? It seems like you just want to lynch me for associative purposes, which is super dumb). | ||
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Being wrong on Breshke doesn't make me mafia. I'm mafia if you think my reasons were bad. By your logic then I should be *sure* that you're mafia, because you're scum reading me and I'm town. I also wasn't the only one who complained about your fight - NM or BF came back in and said that they agreed, it wasn't productive. Are you scum reading them too? I don't see why you're making such a big deal of me calling you a good player - I played voice with you and I thought you were good. And having a scum read on you is obviously not inconsistent with you being a good player. And I said I was re-evaluating. Right now it feels to me like you're just searching around for the correct mislynch wagon to get on. | ||
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1. His EOD1 is EXTREMELY suspicious. He doesn't really scum read n00b until after everyone else votes onto him. He says at #1093 that he thinks n00b is posting "[not] like his mafia meta on this site", but then literally in his next post starts scum reading him. Interestingly, he is only convinced on n00b very late, but he then becomes VERY convinced. He also refuses to switch off GB, despite his top town reads (Rayn and Yamato) moving onto GB. He also scum reads n00b for being absent at EOD, when GB was *also* absent. 2. Throughout D1 he continually asks questions of everyone. He asks everyone for their reads on everyone. But he actually doesn't give any reads of his own really. He says THREE DIFFERENT TIMES that his read on GB is some variant of "IDK". 3. He asks for the doctor and the cop to both claim, well in advance of when they should. 4. He moves onto Breshke after I list him as scum, seemingly out of nowhere. | ||
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On September 13 2015 06:55 NocturneMage wrote: For #1 I am reading around the post you cite. n00bking says he'd vote superbia to save himself, superbia says he can die, that was presumably in response to what n00b said. How is that a problem? Also on Superbia refusing to switch off GB, we have this: (1103/1106) Do you think mafia would openly admit the bolded? Sure. Being wrong is NAI. Being wrong for bad reasons is scummy. I think it is the latter. Reading back again through D1, it really hammers home that Superbia didn't really seem to know what to do, until he got hard onto the n00b wagon, even though his top two town reads were moving onto GB for pretty good reasoning. | ||
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Ugh. Superbia, if you don't lynch me, who do you want to lynch? | ||
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I'm thinking I could move onto BF ... or maybe even Cake honestly. I think Superbia is mafia, but honestly I've been wrong before a fair bit and going this far into the game with two intense lurkers is filling me with apprehension. My Cake read was based on stuff from D1, but she's done next to nothing since. I'm also kind of confused as to why Slam is AFKing, and why most of his posts over the last day or so have been spammy. This game is hard. | ||
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Okay well moving onto either of those is dumb. Those two are definitely entitled to ride their town-cred on their GB reads for at least one more night. If we mL today then I re-evaluate, I think. | ||
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On September 13 2015 07:12 Superbia wrote: I was never sure dude. But his mafia read on GB seemed to come out of nowhere and seemed to follow the general direction. That's not how I remember it. It seemed to me to be a reaction to GB reading him (IE it started as OMGUS). | ||
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Also, I really don't see how we've got ANOTHER fake claim. If it was fake, the real doctor should 100% claim. But I think they already would have. | ||
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But this interaction from Superbia seems pretty townie to me. Ugh. | ||
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Also, I have to hand it to Moosy, he stuck with his Cake read all game despite a lot of us sheeping rayn's town read. GJ. I feel like such a tool for rubbishing your reads. Obviously we need to re-read filters etc on the back of this new information. However I still think Scott is town. I think his cop read on me makes sense, because I do feel like I've been playing more cagey this game, for whatever reason. Moosy's insanely good push on Cake more or less confirms him too. So for me, it's between Slam and Superbia. I think Superbia makes a ton more sense, but as I said I need to re-read stuff. These are just my gut feelings. | ||
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On September 14 2015 07:48 NocturneMage wrote: honestly I don't think it's Fidei. Fidei is the one that brought up that Copcake bussed GB AND that she should not get the towncred she tried to collect. Ultimately that's what helped me swing my decision towards checking her. This made me smile :-) | ||
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On September 14 2015 14:13 Alakaslam wrote: You'll have to be. I am not mafia and refuse to fight that fight, or be that tool for the mafia. Lynch me before lylo. Scott is 100% right. If you're Mafia, and you feel that way, you should concede. It literally makes no sense for me for you to be town and to say something like that. It would have to mean that you didn't sign up to play the game, or that you couldn't be bothered to see it through. It's a pretty desperate Mafia play, but if it is slam then he's probably feeling the heat now, especially as Scott, NM and MD are all so strongly likely to be town and they all seem to have town reads on me (apart from Scott <3). Woke up late but work not too crazy so I might have time at lunch for more filters. | ||
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On September 14 2015 19:19 NocturneMage wrote: It's a bad thing to say really regardless of alignment really. I should be catching a break again in an hour, more diving when I do. Meh, I sort of feel like if you're mafia, it's fine to say pretty much anything if you think it will help you achieve your wincon. It's why afterHimalayas I wasn't upset with HF for all the crap he gave me during the game - he was mafia and he was trying to throw everyone off. It's like, if Slam *is* mafia but we don't lynch him after saying this, then we're dumb town. If he's town, however, that's when I have an issue with it. | ||
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On September 09 2015 07:12 Alakaslam wrote: CC- I was reading the nested quote, I have been townreading fidei. I want to see if you can find what is scummy about it. That post is textbook scum. Going back to this post is interesting. This is about five posts or so after Slam gave me a town read (which was unexplained). He scum reads me for my read on Cake, and then gloats with Cake in thread, but then he apparently immediately forgets this and moves on, even though I was seriously discussed as a lynch candidate day 3. He also doesn't ever really seem to form a read on Cake, but they chat at length about OOG stuff very happily. IDK, there is an argument there that they were overly familiar because they were also chatting in the mafia QT. On the other hand there is the fact that Slam voted GB early (although for meh reasons) and didn't move off him until right at the end, after everyone else had. It could easily be that Slam just parked his vote early when he didn't think GB was a target (he wasn't until very late on), and then once the wagon formed realised that GB was dead anyway. It's not ... like a huge bus, but it would be kind of large. One of the reasons these last minute wagons get started is if there seems to be latent thread sentiment on someone, and Slam's early vote on GB definitely set that tone. Anyway, I don't think much more work is required on the whole Superbia v Slam thing. I'd be pleased if it was Superbia, because that would make my earlier post at least half right. But I think it's more important for me to read scott and MD's filter, just to double check their town status. Provided it's not either of them, then it's easy for me to solve as either Superbia or Slam. | ||
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The other option that he's actually town and actually doesn't care. If that's true, we STILL have to vote him off, because we can't send someone who doesn't care to LYLO to make the decision ... we honestly might as well not have bothered putting all the work we have into this game if we're gonna trust it to essentially Slam's coinflip. So, yeah. For me it's Cake, then Slam, then probably Superbia, although we still have bunch of time to get to the bottom of that, and it'll be LYLO anyway so we'll have to reconsider to some degree anyway. | ||
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This probably doesn't matter much to you, but if you don't help and you flip town, I'll lose all respect for you. | ||
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I'll check this evening. | ||
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They call me "Nostradamus". | ||
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On September 15 2015 03:28 Alakaslam wrote: Then ban me you shit I just got that news; life happens We all signed up to play this game, and some of us have literally spent hours and hours reading filters and making posts. It's a huge amount of effort, and it's really annoying to have someone just decided that they CBA to play any more. So I'm not going to apologise for calling you out. Because it's really annoying. | ||
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On September 15 2015 13:53 Alakaslam wrote: I can't sleep even though I have to. Benefit is I can come in here. I don't know why you want my reads when I have been this wrong but gut tells me Superbia or Scott are the last ones. Moose is town. Nocturne? Duh So by PoE it is one of them. What about me? | ||
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On September 16 2015 03:37 scott31337 wrote: This is basically the only interaction CopCake has with Alakaslam. Didn't they have a whole long conversation about travelling to California or something? | ||
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I really think that town need to kick it back up a notch tonight. There's one mafia left, and we're in serious danger of AFKing through a Slam/Superbia lynch. Not that I don't currently think that that's a bad plan - I absolutely think we should lynch IN THAT ORDER (slam first, no quitters allowed at LYLO plox), but there is still tons of time for them to pick this up and turn it around if they're town. And at least one of them has to be. Anyway, realise that it's scummy to demand action and not take any myself. But really, without Superbia trying to find scum outside of Slam and me (which is useless to me, because I know I'm town and obviously Slam is the other lynch target), or Slam ... you know ... explaining his attempted seppuku, we're kind of stuck. | ||
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From my perspective, I always thought it was likely to be Superbia. But then, out of nowhere, Slam comes out and says that he wants out of the game, having racked up 19 pages of filter. That threw me a lot. So all of a sudden, I really am not sure about whether it's Superbia or Slam. I hope we lynch correctly first off, but since I'm not sure now, I'm not confident we will. I've been really busy these last couple of days, and I just got dragged into another game. But this evening I will re-read MD and Scott's filters. Because I'd be a lousy town if I didn't at least consider the possibility. | ||
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I don't see what advantage Mafia me has in saying we're going to LyLo? I mean, it's not like I'd want to show off that predictive power. I said it because we've had two players basically stop playing at the same time, coinciding with the red check on CC. That's super super super scummy, from both of them. I think it could be either. And Sod's law says that we'll get the wrong one, and ergo we'll go to LyLo. Anyway, will be home this evening at a sensible time for filters. | ||
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On September 14 2015 06:35 Superbia wrote: Also if you think a mafia would do what I did at EoD you really really need to reconsider. Like I know it's tinfoil town to question everything, but this is as alignment indicative a situation as you would get outside of PR-shenanigans. This is another post I have issue with, and it flows from the others naturally. I don't get why Superbia was so keen to claim town cred for this? Yes, establishing yourself as town is important. But this feels waaaaaay over the top. | ||
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Here's my thing. All other things aside, Superbia and Slam abandoning us at the same time as the Cake flip (more or less) is suuuuuuuuuuuuper scummy. But two of them did it. So we all have assumed it's one of them. And that's a very very fair assessment imo. And I think we'd be in serious danger of over thinking things if we deviated from that. At the same time, I really really don't want to lose this game. I don't think it's you. Honestly, if it's you, then you've played amazingly, because it would be so so so difficult to keep the frenetic act you've got going on all game as mafia. But it *could* be scott. He and GB had a shit-fight d1, but that's w/e really. He's had a couple of weird posts (his thread entry about wanting to be mafia with me was super meh, looking back on it). And his filter is only 8 pages, which is quite short for a game this long. Really, what I need to do, is go back with an absolute fine tooth comb through his filter and think about how and when he posted stuff. I don't think I'll have time to do that now until Friday evening. But we can't just let this thread die in the meantime. Because if, by some miracle, it is you or Scott, we're just sleepwalking to a loss. And we def owe it to ourselves to at least think about who else it could be. Honestly, I want to know what Superbia thinks of scott. Also, I'm interested that Slam now thinks it's scott. Honestly, that is quite interesting. There are a couple of ways I could read that, but I don't want to set them out now for reasons. | ||
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- I still think it's Superbia 90%, Slam 5%, others 5%. Roughly. - We need to hear more from Superbia, because if he's town he's throwing the game. - I want to hear more from scott about Slam's push on him. - We need to do our best to keep the thread going, and I'll try, but I'm busy at work and IRL atm. | ||
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On September 18 2015 06:40 scott31337 wrote: So I've been really swamped at work - networks going down all the time I have to babysit for - so haven't had much time to play. I see Slam's thought process - and I've done a number of "Ctrl F" filter finds this time and posted all of my thoughts. So just to clarify- Slam looked worse until he actually posted his AFK reasoning AND out'ed of the other game that I know he wanted to play in due to who was in the game. I saw the /out - I waited for him to say it in the thread (So I don't get any crap for OGI) and then I replied to it and it all made sense. I re-read Superbia's, Slam's, Fidei's and GB's filter - I came to the conclusion that Superbia was scummier with his voting, interactions with GB/CopCake, the waffle on both - confirmed town posting, etc. Slam looked more natural, but you would be the first one I'd review if the game made it to LYLO and somehow Superbia is town (which is quite doubtful). I'll try to get some more time on later. Scott - one thing that bugs me slightly about the above is that you've said you read everybody's filters, but your output from it seems pretty slim - you don't even talk about me at all! Care to explain? | ||
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At the moment, the biggest scum tells on both of you are that you AFK'd more or less immediately after the Cake check was revealed. This is very, very, very, very, very, very scummy, particularly in circumstances where four players (me, NM, scott and MD), all of whom were town reading each other, said that they would lynch you in order. I am town and I really want to win this. If you are town, you are letting town sleep-walk into a loss. If you are town, please come back and answer the many questions that have been raised of you over the last 20 pages or so. Please explain which of the other players you think are scummy, and explain why you are actually not mafia. I still owe a filter dive on scott. I will do that this evening, I double promise. But this is on Superbia and Slam to pick town up, if they're town. Please!!! | ||
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Weird thread entry. On September 05 2015 09:00 scott31337 wrote: Fucking town - I wanted to be mafia with Fidei and someone else - We'd bus the shit out of #3 and claim our victory. Okay, so these aren't always alignment indicative. In fact, they probably usually aren't. This jarred me though because Scott and I have been town together twice, but the second time he was utterly useless (sorry bud, but you were). It's not like we've played together loads, or that our games have been great, or that we've really interacted that much. Early pocket, possibly? Early weird read on GB: GB smoking/drinking again - and follow his opposite (#279)Scum reads GB, but votes n00b, without really scum reading n00b at all: ##Vote N00bking GB probably mafia too for his - GB thing and defending Post #631 is all over the place. He basically gives two good reasons to scum read Slam, but then town reads him. He continued to vote n00b without offering a read on him. Emphasises that he is scum reading GB, but continues to vote n00b. His list post here really is interesting: On September 06 2015 03:14 scott31337 wrote: MoosyDoosy - town, wants to solve game n00bKing - mafia - CoughingHydra - null - even posted? CopCake - slight townlean trying to solve Alakaslam - really posty - tinfoil like Breshke - actually want to win or change it up? Fidei86 - null - posts? scott31337 - town Superbia - a little townlean from what I read earlier started well died off GlowingBear - OMGUS smoking crack voting me - mafia lean - not interested in solving boxerfred - no posts? yamato77 - townlean - doing his yamato town "meta" Breshke - townlean - but posting wayyy too much - laid off or changing it up - townlean not D1 lynch raynpelikoneet - town hero as usual - <3 Time to make sure I did not forget anybody So he town reads Cake as "trying to solve"?? All I remember her doing is yelling at people and buddying with rayn. He then goes on a run of posts calling GB mafia. Next interesting post is this: On September 06 2015 03:53 scott31337 wrote: I was posting my townie thoughts along the way and adding my thoughts and quotes up in notepad. Do you have any specific questions for me? Is n00bking toast and you are bussing him now? What about boxerfred, who's only made one post, why do you mention nothing of him? Asking questions of a mafia buddy is pretty standard play, but the questions here are quite barbed. However, the next post (#650) he CONTINUES to have n00b as his scum read, depite having not really mentioned him at all. Next interesting post is #845, where he pings me out for numbering my post references. I found that super weird. At 21:27BST he votes for GB. He's the second one onto the wagon, after Slam who'd been on it for ages. This was early. It was at least half an hour before the Yamato wagon thing started. Honestly, if this was a bus, it was SUPER risky. Scott started momentum that later came to fruition. This post is interesting too: On September 07 2015 06:19 scott31337 wrote: It's a little more than OMGUS - He calls Rayn mafia for really bad reasons - His reads are basically opposite of mine (except for Noobking, but then he votes me instead) - a lot of one liners for a 6 page filter/etc. So I ask why Scott is voting GB. These are all really good reasons to be voting GB. And his response really gets the GB wagon going, in circumstancs where it wasn't before. Yes, this could be a mad bus strat. But I don't see why mafia would bother this early. Realistically, mafia don't have to sell out that hard to achieve the n00b lynch. A little more pressure on n00b and they make it, I think. However, he *is* still town-reading Cake for basically no reason: I think Copcake's town and am not seeing the reasoning for him. Similar response in #1170. But I'm not sure why he has a town read on me at this point? If he does, he hasn't said it up till now. This reasoning for moving onto n00b from GB is pretty towny: On September 07 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote: Done - Can't let Cake get lynched If you're mafia, you can easily just say "no lyncherino doctorino". But saying that you're doing it in order to save your mafia buddy? I dunno. This would be weird. And it does fit into his Cake town read. Not going to copy and paste scott's post on GB's claim. It all makes sense, and sort of accords with what I thought: "probs fake, but it'll sort itself out". I thought this post was weird: I haven't rolled mafia in how many games? six or seven? - and from what I've learned, I want to again sometime. Probable typo, but still... After Yamato dies, scott flips his read on boxerfred, and says he could sheep his read. He then starts saying he could lynch me, for no given reason. He does later give a reason though. His response to MD's case on Cake is basically to deflect off it "case is okay - rather lynch GB". But hang on a sec, now he has a town read on Cake? Huh? On September 11 2015 02:54 scott31337 wrote: My thoughts for now - Superbia-my #1 Scum right now - very little followup - not voting the right wagons - first vote for n00bking - beyond any magic blue work - want to lynch tomorrow MoosyDoosy - His Night 2 is espically weird - he thinks rayn's claim is fake - gets called out for bluehunting (which I sure thought he was doing as well) and then backpedals quite hard on it. My gut calls him #2 right now. boxerfred-quiet and in the stands - although has some good posts and points - just above null. Breshke-I've like his play n2 with moosy - trying to prod and get answers out of him - bad voting d1. He'd be above boxer. CopCake - I just want this guy to do some more as town if he is - what are your thoughts on everybody? slight townlean, please help  Fidei86 - Helped get GB lynched, but just has been a little off - maybe he's overworked like he said in a few messages? townlean Alakaslam - did the super phat bus on GB (voted first on him day 1, never left until he claimed, was suspicious of him all game) or he's town - not lynching anytime soon. raynpelikoneet-Da man - I will keep the town in line and accomplish victory for us in your name! Oh and IRL excuse - I'll be traveling out of town tomorrow/Friday and then a pool party afterwards - so expect very little posting. And now I'm a town read again? Huh? And he wants to lynch Superbia out of literally nowhere. Post #2292 gives me pause. Scott sheeps my "Superbia/Bresh fight was pointless" read. His read on Cake shifts like three times IN THE SAME POST. He starts off saying "CC not confirmed town, better fish to fry", but then puts Cake in his town team? He's still defending Cake here: On September 12 2015 18:01 scott31337 wrote: Moosy we are not lynching Copcake tomorrow so tell me your #2 when I wake up tomorrow. CopCake Alakaslam Superbia boxerfred Each tell me your #1 lynch. MoosyDoosy, CopCake, Alakaslam, Superbia, boxerfred Superbia (2): scott31337, Breshke Breshke (2): Fidei86, NocturneMage MoosyDoosy (0): Alakaslam Not Informing (5): MoosyDoosy, CopCake, Alakaslam, Superbia, boxerfred Mafia love to wait on their vote BTW This next post makes no sense to me if scott is mafia with Cake: On September 13 2015 03:56 scott31337 wrote: Let me try to explain this a little better - so your voting speaks town - but your talking does not - and it's not because of ESL (English as a second language) - You should just say what's on your mind as town but you don't. You have to be prodded for reads every time and even that does not work. When I posted my townteam - "CopCake/Slam/Fidei/scott/nm" it's what I'm feeling at the moment (that's not in order btw, if you want order it'd be like "Scott/Slam/NM/Fidei/CopCake" - You're my weakest townread, but it is one, basically because the others are scummier. Does that make sense? Why would Cake shift her vote onto Scott, unless they were mad into their bus strat? Cake's point on scott was legit, but why would mafia make it? #2438, Scott is back on the boxerfred wagon, despite having repeatedly read him as town. He also wants to save me over BF? And how does this make sense: On September 13 2015 07:24 scott31337 wrote: I think boxer is worse out of the two. Copcake calling me mafia and voting seems unnatural for the reasons (I believe because I put him in the weak side of the town circle, but didn't understand this and I explained it) He thinks BF is worse than Cake, despite these reasons why Cake is bad? And no reasons for BF? Here scott continues to wrestle with Cake's alignment. On September 14 2015 07:30 scott31337 wrote: Breshke should die, but just in case he does not and I do - CopCake - Please just fucking help, frustrating Superbia - think you are town but the "sicklucker confirmed town" shit is bullshit. Stop. Help us out today. MoosyDoosy - He brought a better D3 and gets a few points for sure - I went to a null on him though for unexplained reasons NocturneMage - He's brought his game up tremendously if he's mafia unlike his last game - when he's free he acts town feels town. Alakaslam - Phat magic bus theory or town but You can't ride it forever either. Fidei86 - He's been a little off/overworked but pretty sure he's town Breshke- 99% sure he's the doctor and probably dead with no CC After the NM reveal, scott says that he thought I was the cop. That actually makes a bunch of sense - he had been soft defending me for meta reasons for a while. He later says he wants to filter dive Cake, but I'm not sure why anyone would bother as NM's claim was like 100%. After that he starts pushing Superbia. But yeah, that makes sense. He asks Superbia to give other reads, which I agree with. He also continues to defend Slam, which is going to make it difficult if he gets to 2v1 with me and him. He's checked out a bit recently. IDK. TL;DR Scott *could* be town. But there are just too many weird things that wouldn't make sense from a mafia perspective. The GB was 100% a bus. His interactions with Cake were weird, but understandable from a town perspective. | ||
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LOL. Should read Scott *could* be mafia. Derp. | ||
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I actually think it's more likely to be scott than Slam, honestly. | ||
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2. Your reads on GB were weird. 3. You afk'd once we got the check on Cake. 4. You have no scum reads even though we're literally about to lynch you. | ||
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Moosy why are you on Scott now? You haven't been on him at all. Same for Slam. | ||
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I wish I'd pushed harder to lynch Slam yesterday, honestly. It honestly could be any of you guys. All bets off. Time to re-assess. | ||
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On September 08 2015 09:05 Fidei86 wrote: BEFORE I GO TO BED I WANT TO POINT OUT IN ALL CAPITALS THAT MOOSY HAS NEITHER OF THE CLAIMED F****** DOCTORS IN HIS F****** SCUM LIST. LIKE IT MIGHT NOT BE EITHER OF THEM? Are you kidding me with this shit? Kind of want to lynch Moosy for this quote. | ||
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Right, time to stop filling up my filter. I will probably not be on until EON or later, as I'm going to watch a rugby match with my Dad in South London. I'm not going to leave a will, because I don't want to let Mafia WIFOM my death. But mak sure if you live you consider EVERYONE. Don't sleep walk into a lynch. Otherwise I will be raging super hard once I solve from obs. Shout out to my town bros. peace. | ||
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On September 07 2015 06:55 MoosyDoosy wrote: okok i haven't finished reading thru but this is what i think: n00bKing - town GlowingBear - null CopCake - scum lean *picks up mic* MD at this point had literally been on Cake so hard, he'd basically said nothing else. And his two top town reads, Rayn and Yamato, we're all over GB massively. | ||
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If I was Mafia here, I would obviously just NK you and then laugh as Scott/Slam fought it out tomorrow. Idk if superbia is right that I'm confirmed town because I didn't switch to Scott, but he was town so you can't impugn his motives. | ||
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Okay I'm done now. | ||
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Do you have any reasons to scum read Scott other than reasons you aren't allowed to talk about? | ||
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On September 19 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: So you're saying you're not taking something into account that could have been a slip? Hm...I'll stop pressing the topic if it makes you that uncomfortable. Someone please explain to me how this post comes from anyone other than Mafia. There is 0 reason for town MD to make this post. | ||
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That makes so much sense to me. | ||
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On September 20 2015 02:18 MoosyDoosy wrote: I just don't see why you wouldn't take into account something that could have been a possible slip. O.O Are you actually trying to get yourself modkilled? | ||
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On September 20 2015 02:22 Fidei86 wrote: I actually think you should be modkilled, tbh. Whatever your alignment. The rules in this game aren't that complicated, and we've been warned twice now. The above not a criticism at all of Tina by the way. This isn't an easy call, and I obviously respect your decision. Sorry if it comes across as otherwise. | ||
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On September 20 2015 02:23 MoosyDoosy wrote: Again, I already shared my suspicions on scott early on. Just because the reasons are "forbidden" doesn't mean that they're still not suspicions lol. In fact, I was the first person to be suspicious of scott. THEN it was NocturneMage, THEN Alakaslam, THEN you. There's a reason why I was so skeptical about Slam being suspicious of scott in the first place BECAUSE I saw it as an attempt as Mafia taking a suspicion that I pointed out and trying to use that to force a mislynch. I actually don't think this is true. I think this is a lie. But I can't prove it because I'm going to the rugby game. If I live through the night, I'll look into it. If I don't live, Scott and Slam need to consider this post VERY CAREFULLY. Also saying we shouldn't consider earlier parts of the game is stupid. What are we supposed to consider? Things in the future? | ||
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On September 20 2015 02:24 MoosyDoosy wrote: Okay, well, this is pretty clear. You say you want to win the game and now you're saying you want me to be modkilled? The game is over if I'm modkilled and town loses the game. I'm actually not so sure where your drive to win disappeared to unless you're Mafia and trying to close the game as quickly as possible. Let's talk about this part after the game. I shouldn't have said anything. | ||
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On September 20 2015 02:32 MoosyDoosy wrote: Like, this goes beyond the confused town mass typo persona you had this whole game. This is pretty much deliberately taking what's happened and what I've been doing and trying to twist it to fit yourself. Please explain to me my Mafia motivation for pushin you. If I'm Mafia, I kill you and then I vote whoever of slam and Scott I like. And I win because slam is basically afk. You must know I'm town. | ||
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I wasn't "throwing stuff at Md". I was pointing out his read on you came out of nowhere. And his response was rubbish. In my view. | ||
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On September 20 2015 07:45 MoosyDoosy wrote: haha this is actually really funny. I'd like to apologize to Superbia for talking him out of the Fidei lynch. Damn this game could have run away pretty easily. When did that even happen? | ||
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Interesting. I'm 60 Moosy 40 Scott atm, I think. But I really need to wade my way through MDs filter. | ||
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On September 20 2015 07:43 MoosyDoosy wrote: lol Fidei you screwed up. Talk me through the reasons why I don't kill you. | ||
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Slam was on Scott. Maybe he moves. But chances are he doesn't because he didn't have much time and he seemed pretty sure. If I'm Scott, I think I kill ... Slam? If he kills you I re-evaluate. I really was only scum reading slam for fucking off, I think. If he kills me, I think you do the same. If I'm you I think I kill me. My reasoning for why I wouldn't kill slam is the same as why you wouldn't either. Also I was pushing you and clearly slam and Scott weren't interested. So the NK WIFOM analysis makes it much much more likely that it's Scott. I need to go back to the filters. | ||
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On September 20 2015 08:27 MoosyDoosy wrote: Also, the night kill makes sense. Think of a world where he lynches you or me, Fidei. If he does that, he'll be stuck with Slam who's hard scum reading him here and who literally remained tunneled despite how I tried to make him think otherwise. This is bad for him so he has no choice BUT to lynch Slam here. I agree, although I made this point earlier. Interesting case though. Very plausible indeed. It's late and I need to sleep, but I'll reconsider tomorrow. | ||
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Gonna choose to believe the former :-) Friends round today, but this evening is clear for MAFIA | ||
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On September 20 2015 08:05 MoosyDoosy wrote: Oh shoot. Fidei, I mean scott is Mafia here. @MD you made THREE posts where you said you were sure it was me and not Scott. That can't be a typo. Surely. Please explain. | ||
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On September 08 2015 09:26 MoosyDoosy wrote: rayn counterclaims because he's angry and thinks gb is bad at the game. i still think gb claim is BS. @MD so you thought that the rayn claim was fake, but that rayn was town, and you thought GB's claim was bad, but you also thought he was town? | ||
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On September 10 2015 00:13 MoosyDoosy wrote: -.- i actually think NocturneMage has a good point. Despite how weak CopCake's filter is, it is weird if she's bussing GB that early. I am just waiting for GB's flip which is unfortunately most likely Mafia. ??? | ||
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On September 20 2015 23:59 MoosyDoosy wrote: Okay, let me explain this scott. You say I’m going after the low hanging fruit here which would be you in your head. This is just absolutely false. As Slam says, the order in which it’s easy to make a case is: me, Fidei, scott. You are literally the hardest person to make a case on. Also, it’s false to say I’m not afraid to pressure Fidei. I’ve already done so during Night in fact when Fidei was admittedly saying terrible things. I actually was thinking it was Fidei and was looking through filters while stirring up conversation UNTIL he started trying to throw dirt at me. Then he was town in my eyes which was only proven more by Slam’s death. I also don’t believe your voting right now. I was literally hard town in your eyes then all of a sudden you say I’m Mafia from this move? That change just does not happen so quickly. At most I would have to be town with a wrong read on you. All I see is you having a knee-jerk reaction and moving to kill me as quickly as possible. Also, do you really think I would kill Slam here if I was Mafia? I could literally kill Fidei then sheep Slam to the ends of the word and lynch you scott. No. You’re Mafia. I’m 100% sure of this. Moosy. The thing I don't understand about this is that during our fight yesterday, you were basically saying you thought I was mafia. But then, with very little else happening, you were sure that I was town. You never said any of that before the night flip. Please talk me through. I've read your filter (all 32 pages ...), and now I'm going to be tired for work. But I will come home early tomorrow from work. | ||
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On September 21 2015 09:01 MoosyDoosy wrote: I was pretty sure GB was going to flip Mafia. But if that happened, then people would do flip WIFOM and say that CopCake was town which is what did end up happening. Luckily for us, NocturneMage was the only one who listened to me and was the cop, and got a red check on her. Okay, can you please explain to me how GB fake claiming -- a claim you THOUGHT WAS FAKE -- makes him less confirmed mafia than Cake, who ... yeah, was pretty meh ... but. I just don't understand this. I'm not sure I'll ever understand this. If your reasoning was "lynching into an unCCed cop is dumb, and I think rayn is fake claiming" then that would make sense. But you didn't say that. You said that rayn was fake claiming, you thought GB's claim was fake, but after ALL THAT you still wanted to kill Cake more, someone nobody else was talking about at that stage? | ||
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On September 21 2015 09:29 MoosyDoosy wrote: Fidei, any more questions? Would also like your thoughts on my interaction with scott so far. I wasn't expecting you both to be at each other's throats so quickly. I've been pressed all day, and I haven't digested fully yet. I need to re-read and reconsider. But yeah, honestly you saying in three posts that you were sure it was me, and then flipping once scott said he thought it was you, was pretty weird. Like, I get you can get confused between Slam and Superbia -- they were both AFK and their names both start with S. But me and Scott? This far into the game? I need to re-read the thread flow. It's 1:30am and I have to work tomorrow. | ||
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On September 20 2015 03:46 scott31337 wrote: I pretty much went with town sentiment that CopCake was town d1/d2ish and then started being useless so she went downhill - and then the red check confirmation. I was suspicious of you basically the whole game - your d3 showed pretty townie (you stepped it up quite a bit) and with your tunnel on CopCake basically the whole game - after the check you basically have to be town or you did some next level award nomination mafia play. You are my #1 town read. Not much has really changed - I was pretty confident of Superbia being the last mafia - He finally steps it up when he's the lynch which is disappointing. (Work has sucked all week, usually it's been slow, but I've had to put out fires all week basically and haven't had time for the game, I apologize for that) Fidei seems like he's trying to solve the game. It pretty much has to be Alakaslam. How did I go ahead of MD in your scum read list Scott? | ||
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On September 21 2015 21:54 scott31337 wrote: That's what I thought at first, and why I made that post just before deadline. What's his other option? Shoot you? That makes him look suspicious. Yes, me and slam can argue it out, but what's even better? The yolo play. I give him props for it. It's guardians all over again. Deja fucking vu. It's also more than the vote - it's how he came to the conclusion, how his beginning of day play was, and then the vote sealed it for me. It's also how he went after me fairly quickly in the day. If he was town he would be playing like you, unsure, rereading, etc. I know I'm town, I got a town pm. He knows I have a town pm. You are the investigator. You are the town's hope. I'll be at work in about an hour, and I'll try to check into the thread when I can. Scott - you'll forgive me if I'm struggling with this a little. It seems to me that your progression is that at EON you had me as your number one scum. Yes, it was weak, but still. You said you were "most suspicious" of me. Or something like that. Anyway, Slam then flips, and all of a sudden you're town reading me. But only after Moosy comes out and says it's me. And the reasons you have seem to be related to my interactions with Moosy BEFORE the EON, and before your post. I recognise this is very frustrating if you are town, but I really need you to walk me through in as much detail as you can exactly the timeline of the last EON. Use short sentences and simple words if you think it necessary. | ||
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On September 22 2015 02:34 Fidei86 wrote: Scott - you'll forgive me if I'm struggling with this a little. It seems to me that your progression is that at EON you had me as your number one scum. Yes, it was weak, but still. You said you were "most suspicious" of me. Or something like that. Anyway, Slam then flips, and all of a sudden you're town reading me. But only after Moosy comes out and says it's me. And the reasons you have seem to be related to my interactions with Moosy BEFORE the EON, and before your post. I recognise this is very frustrating if you are town, but I really need you to walk me through in as much detail as you can exactly the timeline of the last EON. Use short sentences and simple words if you think it necessary. EBWOP: Scott - you'll forgive me if I'm struggling with this a little. It seems to me that your progression is that at EON you had me as your number one scum. Yes, it was weak, but still. You said you were "most suspicious" of me. Or something like that. Anyway, Slam then flips, and all of a sudden you're town reading me. But only after Moosy comes out and says it's I recognise this is very frustrating if you are town, but I really need you to walk me through in as much detail as you can exactly the timeline of the last EON. Use short sentences and simple words if you think it necessary. | ||
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Just want to point out how dumb you'll both feel if it turns out I'm mafia. I'm not. But the thing I really can't get my head around is how I came to be the established town in this scenario. Couldn't whichever of you was mafia have done the decent thing and scum read me instead? At least then my job would be a little easier. Except it wouldn't really, because I'd still have to figure out if you were mafia. So yeah, I don't understand how neither of you are re-evaluating on me. I think the thing I have to look for is which of you seems to have the more natural read progression at the end. And, Moosy's freaking awful triple "typo" aside, it looks like him at the moment. Gotta go back through scott's filter first. And I may wade through MD's again, and perhaps Yamato and rayn's as well. | ||
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On September 22 2015 03:01 MoosyDoosy wrote: Also, I already said that I reviewed you but my scott case was stronger. I posted that first to see his reaction and because it was stronger. That's not what you said earlier though? | ||
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EVERYONE FREAK OUT. Once you stop freaking out, my reasoning is on the Superbia/BF/Slam read progression you had after the Cake lynch. Like, you were hard-core scum reading Superbia, but then you choose to go for BF, when you could have easily hammered Superbia (or, you know, voted for him). Then you start hard scum-reading Superbia for POE reasons, in circumstances where Slam was hard town-reading you. It really came out of nowhere. Then you keep posting that it has to be slam, right up until EOD, when you're all of a sudden totally unsure of him. Now need to go read GB and Cake's filters. FML. | ||
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Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrg. | ||
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I need to take a break from filters, I'm not taking it any more. Back in 25 mins. | ||
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I'm taking like a 15 minute more break. Then will be back. Please post thoughts in the meantime. | ||
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On September 22 2015 04:18 scott31337 wrote: I need to eat lunch as well. I'll be back. I'll try my best when I get back - sorry Obs QT - It's Guardians all over again. If this game is like Holy Guardians, then does that make me Onegu? Seriously, this game is nothing like Holy Guardians. You guys solved in that game for GOOD reasons (to do with vote switching). This is just regular lylo. Also I'm not Onegu. | ||
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On September 22 2015 05:15 scott31337 wrote: I remember you commenting on this before Fidei, that a mafia would not "confirm" so many townies. Do you disagree with this now? Meh, the people on the town were me, Slam, you, and the two towniest players in the game. If you were bussing GB, it makes sense you'd try and take the credit for it. | ||
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On September 22 2015 05:21 Fidei86 wrote: Meh, the people on the town were me, Slam, you, and the two towniest players in the game. If you were bussing GB, it makes sense you'd try and take the credit for it. *wagon, not town | ||
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On September 22 2015 05:23 MoosyDoosy wrote: Also scott, like I'm pretty sure your big post on how busing is unlikely was an attempt to cover your own bus and CopCake's bus on GB. Linkerino please? | ||
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Scott, pick me up here buddy. What's your top three reasons for scum reading Moosy? Apart from the fact that you're town reading me, I guess. | ||
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On September 21 2015 09:55 MoosyDoosy wrote: Look at the answer I already gave you and my expectation of your question. At that point in the game, I was pretty hard tunneled on CopCake. Like, I even made the deal post about her and n00bKing because I was 100% sure she was Mafia. Then GB did his fake claim shenanigans and with most of my town circle giving good points on him, I accepted that he was Mafia. But I was only ~90% sure because I actually hadn't looked into him in depth because I was working on my CopCake case. It seemed a hell of a lot better for me to push someone that no one was reconsidering into the light rather than just sheep rayn on GB mindlessly. If it's actually MD, I feel that rayn is literally going to fly to the UK and kick me in the nuts | ||
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On September 22 2015 05:58 scott31337 wrote: #1 - His quick push on me Day 6 - If he was town - he would take a wider view of the situation and the game of what's happening. #2 - His reluctance for GB and voting CopCake since he knew they were both Mafia but he comes out like roses after the red check (or when if/when we finally lynch them) #3 - His Blue hunting on N2 and not believing Rayn's fakeclaim after we lynched GB and flipped Mafia - There was no town agenda here. #1 IDK not sure I agree with this. And he made the same point on you as well. As town, it might actually be better to push someone early and see how they respond. He pushed me and I was like "omg that's dumb", and he town read me. So POE it's you. Although that's not his explanation for why he misspoke like three times. #2 IDK, that whole thing was just so weird I sort of just want to lynch him for it. But it seems like such a weird play for mafia to make, that his bullshit excuse sort of has to be true #3 He was bluehunting N2? Wasn't that Superbia? | ||
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Agree, rayn is definitely going to kick me in the nuts if it's you. | ||
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Yea. What of it? | ||
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EVEN ONEGU. I'M SORRY ONEGU. THIS IS THE WORST THING EVER. | ||
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Did GB ever say anything about Moosy at all? | ||
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IDK if it makes you mafia. But yeah. You've been so sure about everything all game. | ||
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On September 22 2015 07:23 scott31337 wrote: When are you buying your cup Fidei? metaphorical kick in the balls | ||
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