On September 11 2015 17:33 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 08:39 Superbia wrote:On September 05 2015 08:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:33 Superbia wrote:
Think rayn's response to GB's claim is over the top. I don't think there is any need for any blue to out at the moment. Pretty sure we can get productive d1 going without any blue shenanigans. Actually kinda makes me dislike rayn, but I had townie vibes from him early on so whatever. Also he just called me town so I'm fine with him being town for now.
keep it simple.
if you can get a 50-50 chance of lynching mafia on D1 by outing one blue role you should ALWAYS take is in any game.
I think he might do this as town though.
In addition I will say this. Do not believe GB is the vigi today.
Evaluate him like any other. Do not give him a pass whatsoever. This is from D1 after GlowingBears claim. This post is an answer to rayn who hit the truth in his "claiming vig D1 is a great thing to call out a town role, get a blue kill in exchange for the goon." (though rayn couldn't know that GB is the goon at that point. This post is strange in many ways. Superbia thinks GB might do a (serious!) vigi claim at the very beginning of D1. To me, claiming blue D1 is like the stupidest thing you can do if you truely are a blue. How does Superbia come to that conclusion? The bolded part contradicts the initial meaning of the post ("nah guys GB is stupid not scum") however. It's 100% wishywashy.
Also, the initial post (the quote in the quote) - why is Superbia disliking rayn for his reaction to GB? He should be disliking GB for the initial blue shenanigans. This post really feels like it's coming from someone who has to hide something.
Time for the tinfoil hat:
What if that was a serious response to a claim that Superbia thought was real? Also, WHY did GB claim Vigi if he DID know about the setup? This makes me feel really (really!) unsure if there is indeed a doctor in. We have two people D1 (GB, Superbia) that are willing to think that there is a Vigi in. However, GB claimed Doctor and Rayn claimed Doctor. There was NO counterclaim up to this point, keep that in mind guys!
We have two setup slips from GB (Vigi, Doc) and we do not know which one is true.
Out of this, I extract two scenarios.
a) Doctor setup. Superbia's CC to GB was pure bullshit, making him look townie.
b) Vigi setup. Superbia's CC to GB was the truth, making him, well, look townie.
c) Vigi + Doc claim was absolutely bullshit (which is the unlikeliest to me)
I'm kinda surprised that I come to this conclusion.
I'll continue with the setup before going back to Superbia:
Vigi setup feels the most likely to me TBH. 2/3 goons in scum - that means the chance that GB would flip scum as goon is higher than in any other setup. Also, we have no DOCTOR counter claimed except the rayn yolo, which was risky but great however it was not a Doctor. Basically, ANY rule could've counterclaimed the doctor that is Vigi, Veteran or Jailkeeper. So GB's claim EoD1 could have played out awesome for scum, ESPECIALLY in Setup B (1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 2 Mafia Goons). Mafia would've exchanged a simple goon with a strong town blue, potentially Jailkeeper. I think at this point I have a pretty good theory who another blue role is but I won't tell since I don't want the guy to get killed.
Okay, back to Superbia. As I said above - the behaviour from this post is conclusively townie. Maybe my logic is flawed somewhere, somehow, so please test the waters. Another point that makes Superbia look townie D1 is that he instantly jumped on GB's claim - why would a fellow scum member do this given that he'd know GB's plan of outing a blue? It doesn't make sense.
Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 05:37 Superbia wrote:On September 06 2015 05:32 NocturneMage wrote:On September 06 2015 05:05 Superbia wrote:
Also hi replacement.
Hey everyone. Just started reading. If there is anything in particular I should pay attention to as I catch up, give me a shout.
Also RL related - I work in the ER so if I'm at work overnight and something pops up, I will be forced to suddenly disappear from the game. The coming week should not be too crazy hopefully.
1. Look at opening posts.
2. Look at rayn/yamato interaction.
3. GB (fake) claim.
4. Look at rayn/noobking interaction.
Following people:
- noobking
- copcake
- slam
Comments on them in near future pls.
Although noone brings up the claim after all D1, Superbia does so when NM enters the thread. This could be out of "yo maybe NM replaced a blue and GB's trick might work here" (which I don't think tbh - feels way to unrealistic) or is indeed a "look at this and tell me what you think". Genuine.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 07 2015 03:35 Superbia wrote:
I'm here. Haven't read past few pages. Game kinda feels hard.
rayn/yamato still very town.
Stuck on moosy's alignment. Something feels off compared to previous game filters. Not sure what, still reading. His associative read triggered all sorts of re-evaluations.
Stuck on noobking's alignment. His post style feels different from his mafia post style. Planning on reading into his meta after moosy. Feels like moosy may have spewn him town if moosy is mafia. IDK
copcake tied into this. Also stuck on her alignment.
Don't know about slam/gb. Both seem very much on the sidelines.
bf superlurk. Last game he did this he was PR and got lynched d1 for it. To be honest, I think I may have the PRs down to a small circle already (of either mafia or PR) and he's not among them. Need to hear from people who have played with him.
So yeah. Still very much in the process of evaluation. Here for questions and talking if people are around. Specifically the 3 above. Very busy tabbing between game filters though. So don't expect a superquick response.
First kind of list post from Superbia. While he's not talking about GB in this, he puts a null/scum lean on MoosyDoosy. Which makes me feel like they have different alignments however I'm not too sure if that holds. Putting this in spoilers to not draw attention from the main parts of the post.
Here is more interaction from GB which makes Superbia change his read of scott from town. This looks important:
Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 03:55 Superbia wrote:
Why is scott the lynch for you, GB?
Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 04:04 Superbia wrote:
I had scott as town early but re-viewing his filter idk why.
GB can you flesh this out?
Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 04:04 GlowingBear wrote:On September 07 2015 04:04 Superbia wrote:
I had scott as town early but re-viewing his filter idk why.
GB can you flesh this out?
Yes I can. I'm going to write a case once I get home.
And indeed, Superbia brings up GB's case on Scott:
Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 05:50 Superbia wrote:On September 07 2015 05:36 GlowingBear wrote:Superbia, I'm home but I'm not feeling well, so I'm not going to format it well so I can take a quick nap quicker:
On September 05 2015 09:15 scott31337 wrote:On September 05 2015 08:29 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 08:20 CopCake wrote:
In which page the game started?
9
@rayn. I just think your expectations are too high too early like yes I get you want people to play seriously but that is difficult from the get go especially for some people and i would imagine it would lead to the game kind of fizziling out early because WTF are people going to be talking about. That coupled with the fact that you asked for a blue claim so we could lynch GB IN A NEWBIE GAME is just wrong. I get none of the "newbies" are that new but did you really think the optimal play was for someone to claim a blue role.
I can understand that you want people to play seriously but I don't understand asking a blue role to claim The scenarios you suggested after someone claims are jsut as bad because any claim outside of the vigi setup is a doc, cop or JK which will just get RB'd to eternity and poof you've lost your power role on D1. Even if GB flipped scum it would hardly be worth it.
On September 05 2015 08:29 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 08:20 CopCake wrote:
In which page the game started?
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@rayn. I just think your expectations are too high too early like yes I get you want people to play seriously but that is difficult from the get go especially for some people and i would imagine it would lead to the game kind of fizziling out early because WTF are people going to be talking about. That coupled with the fact that you asked for a blue claim so we could lynch GB IN A NEWBIE GAME is just wrong. I get none of the "newbies" are that new but did you really think the optimal play was for someone to claim a blue role.
I can understand that you want people to play seriously but I don't understand asking a blue role to claim The scenarios you suggested after someone claims are jsut as bad because any claim outside of the vigi setup is a doc, cop or JK which will just get RB'd to eternity and poof you've lost your power role on D1. Even if GB flipped scum it would hardly be worth it.
A quote and so much talk from Breshke day 1 makes me wonder if he wants to try to change his ways - which for a D1 - townlean.
More Breshke walls of text -
GB smoking/drinking again - and follow his opposite
On September 05 2015 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:12 Superbia wrote:
Do you really think GB is mafia here?
I don't care i stopped reading his posts.
I hope a vigilante shoots him.
Ok, you're mafia
##Vote: Rayn Re-read Supers post here
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24820236- + Show Spoiler +On September 05 2015 08:33 Superbia wrote:
I'm about to head off. Won't be around tomorrow until around this time. Some incoherent thoughts (pretty tired).
Think rayn's response to GB's claim is over the top. I don't think there is any need for any blue to out at the moment. Pretty sure we can get productive d1 going without any blue shenanigans. Actually kinda makes me dislike rayn, but I had townie vibes from him early on so whatever. Also he just called me town so I'm fine with him being town for now.
Curious to see what comes off rayn/yamato co-op stuff.
Initially disliked yamato's opening. After what rayn just said it's okay for now. Interested in rayn's follow up opinion.
Don't really like moosy I think. Especially the purposely random typing (different from pre-game). Also can't really find a reasoning behind his posts yet (might be bc I'm tired).
Dislike breshke who feels bitter in his latest post (mafia trait imo). Feels weird to see him admit to scummy-esque things. IDK what he's doing as either alignment. Have to see later.
GB is idk. Don't really care about the (fake) claim that much tbh.
Rest also IDK.
So yeah. Follow rayn for now probably. Don't claim blue though. No matter what he says. I'll see where you guys are at tomorrow.
Good information but I'm already blitzed.
N00bking's posts bad like last game.
He's my worst right now.
Rayn town
Yamato doing shit - town
This post may appear contributive at first glance but it's basically a summary of the thread at that point and reads accordingly to thread sentiment, bringing nothing new to the table. Why is Rayn town, why he is so quick to give yamato a townread like that? Why just saying I'm "drinking" again, discrediting me? It's a bunch of rehash with an attempt of looking contributive without actually contributing.
He then starts to post reads accordingly to his progression on the pages of thread, cluttering the thread with partial and outdated information he keeps further reevaluating instead of just giving his opinion on one big post. My problem with this is that he is again trying to look contributive while not actually being contributive. Worse. He is cluttering the thread just to show "look, I'm doing stuff!" instead of interacting and actually search for Mafia.
He is very bold when he gives reads. Calls Nocturne "town" with no back reqsoning when he was suspicious of mage's slot. He gives 3 names of people he thinks are Mafia and he could lynch (sayinf maybe I'm not Mafia an cake is) but posts this:
On September 06 2015 23:48 scott31337 wrote:
I could lynch boxer but it feels like policy really.
For someone who has 3-4 scumreads, this is extremely scummy. Why is he okay with boxer's lynch if he has THREE better targets and he even ADMITS boxer is only a policy?
I see no better lynch.
People's opinions on this?
At this point of filter diving, I have to say that Superbia's filter is full of oneliners, full of questions that lead to nowhere and don't do a thing. Not liking this at all. Also, he really likes GB's case on scott (this is one of the rare occasions where Superbia actually says his opinion). Here, he says it even multiple times:
Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 05:53 Superbia wrote:
You guys really think GB's case is terrible?
Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 05:58 Superbia wrote:
I think GB's view on scott is pretty okay.
Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 06:01 Superbia wrote:
I'm actually pretty confused this d1. I usually have a direction I want to push the game, but rayn has kind of taken over the role I usually take in a game. Which leaves me stranded. I'm kind of okay with noobking getting lynched at this point and seeing where he flips takes us. Simply because I don't have any strong mafia reads. My gut would say moosy and go from there, but it may very well be wrong.
Scum read on Moosy, again (consistent!). However lateron, Slam calls Superbia out on his growing wishy-washyness:
Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 06:16 Superbia wrote:On September 07 2015 06:07 Alakaslam wrote:On September 07 2015 06:05 Superbia wrote:On September 07 2015 06:05 Alakaslam wrote:On September 07 2015 06:01 Superbia wrote:
I'm actually pretty confused this d1. I usually have a direction I want to push the game, but rayn has kind of taken over the role I usually take in a game. Which leaves me stranded. I'm kind of okay with noobking getting lynched at this point and seeing where he flips takes us. Simply because I don't have any strong mafia reads. My gut would say moosy and go from there, but it may very well be wrong.
:/
Please participate. No excuses.
How am I not participating? Why did your opinion change? You were fine calling me town a few hours ago.
You were making good points, now you are like "meh I am cool with a noobking lynch and see where that takes us"
NO! Who do you think is scum? You don't seem to be confident it is noobking. That post was just bad, I would scum read you for it outside your past flow.
Weigh in on stuff please
I don't fucking know at this point man.
Gut says it's one between moosy or copcake. One between scott/GB. And maybe someone like you. But it could also easily be someone like noobking in there.
But here's the problem, noobking doesn't look like his mafia meta on this site, but the fact that he has played on other sites (and judging from what he's said, played a lot) makes me believe he can probably play mafia in multiple ways. So I don't know about noobking's alignment. He doesn't really seem to want to contribute at all, which doesn't help me at all.
Like the problem is that I'm stucking between worlds right now. And this is mostly caused by the fact that both rayn and yamato believe in a world which I don't really believe in right now. Like they both think copcake is town, and they both think scott is town. I think they're both town and decent/good players. This leaves me confused.
This is accurate. How big is the chance the scum!superbia would call out both of his team mates in one post (scott/gb vs. moosy/copcake)? This makes me feel he's town.
Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 06:35 Superbia wrote:
I don't know about GB to be honest, but it's sort of mafia to go afk instead of participate in EoD discussion. I kind of liked what he had to say about scott in his case thingy. You guys disagree. You guys know more about GB-meta. I think I'm keeping my vote on noobking, but if we have a vigi I wouldn't be heartbroken about a GB shot so we can get that shit out of the way.
This is huge. Again that makes me feel Superbia is town.
I am now at his huge list post and will refer to this in a different post for the sake of readability.
tl;dr - I actually think Superbia is not a good lynch this day. He appears townie to me after I fully evaluated his filter. 
EPT
