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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 06 2015 00:24 GMT
#849
On September 06 2015 09:17 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2015 08:47 Fidei86 wrote:
It seems to me like the most important event today so far is the shit-fight between rayn and n00b. Rayn looks pretty obviously town to me. This is exactly the same as his town meta in voice-mafia, he tries to lead the discussion right from the front, ask questions, point things out and generally just be loud. I do think that a couple of his pushes have been a little questionable - the whole Breshke "yamato/rayn magic" thing was blown waaaaay out of proportion, and I think people were right to point this out. But, yeah, that's what I would have expected from town rayn.

I hate n00b's style of posting, because there's really no reason to be so rude. I get it, you think that you're better than us all. That's fine, you might well be. But you can't honestly be surprised to find people don't like arrogant, superior people. And you're doing both in spades. If you're town, you're just digging your own grave at the moment.

The post I most disliked from n00bking was #801. I think it's worth me quoting it in full:

On September 06 2015 07:47 n00bKing wrote:
On September 06 2015 07:24 NocturneMage wrote:
Reading n00bking right now. Not liking what I see so far. I know he ranted about skill level of the site in the newbie I played and the one before that so I am ignoring that. But 278, 311 and 329, those posts I really don't like. 329, he's pushing rayn on semantics, doesn't have to be a case, all that matters is that he's calling rayn's points bullshit.

The importance of the distinction between calling rayn's points bullshit and making a case for why he should be lynched cannot be overstated. You're right, "all that matters" is that rayn's points were being called bullshit (and they were bullshit). rayn mislabeled it as being something else, so I corrected him. Just as I corrected him when he tried to pretend I had said at some point that he is Scum.


I'm sitting here reading this post, and I just keep asking myself "why does a town n00b make this post?". The only reason to call people's posts bad, without following with a read on the poster, is if you're trying to stop momentum on a wagon you think is wrong. Otherwise, you're just soft-scumming the poster. I would say probably half of n00b's filter up to now is his fight with rayn. And through all of that, he hasn't actually formed a read on him yet? How does that even make sense? If n00b is town, I don't get why he essentially causes the entirety of d1 to be about his fight with rayn, someone he doesn't even seem to have a scum read on ???

n00b is a scum-read for now.

That said, there are a ton of other interesting things about this fight that are worth pondering. Yamato's thread is one I think is worth parsing a little more. He again seems to have been swept up in the fight, and is taking lots of swings at n00b. I've spent a fair amount of time talking to Yamato on TS, and I would say off the bat that his posts sound like him. But at the same time, he's a strong player and his absolute focus on n00b this early seems a little off. I'm also not sure that his post #598 makes a ton of sense. Rayn's read on Yamato is flimsy, at best. Even rayn would surely have to admit that trying to discern someone's alignment from how excited they are in their first post is pretty difficult. For two people who only know each other over the internet, it would be basically impossible. So why is yamato so keen to emphasise that he and rayn are hard town-reading each other?

I think I will read Moosy and GB's filters, then head to bed. Any questions, fire away in the meantime.


One thing I find interesting if you are numbering posts like NM did and I've never seen that before.
Who do you want tob lynch today?

Glad that I'm not the only one that picked that up.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 06 2015 00:31 GMT
#852
On September 06 2015 09:30 Fidei86 wrote:
@MD below is a link to a post I made in Personality Mafia where I used post number referencing (and I was town). But want to emphasise that that's actually the worst reason to read someone one way or another that I've ever heard. I made a bunch of points, many of which involve you. Maybe respond to them, rather than dealing with this ephemera?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=30#595

It was just a slight pick-up which I thought was NAI. And I did respond if you'd care to scroll up.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 06 2015 00:36 GMT
#854
On September 06 2015 09:35 Fidei86 wrote:
Then why comment on it?

And yes, see you did respond. Skimmed up after refreshing and missed it was you as the numbering looked the same as mine. I'm unconvinced that that is a natural read progression, especially because it was so out of kilter with your posts before. That said, erratic play is probably more town indicative than Mafia indicative, so I'll treat this as a wash for now.

ok. if u think having a read confirmed after seeing more posts from that person is "erratic" then i worry for ur reads.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 06 2015 01:33 GMT
#861
GlowingBear, do you really think n00bKing is mafia here?
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 06 2015 02:01 GMT
#868
On September 06 2015 11:00 CopCake wrote:
when is end of the phase?

First page. 20 hours 27 minutes.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 06 2015 21:40 GMT
#1138
On September 07 2015 01:05 boxerfred wrote:
Hey, just chiming in again, having read up until page 17 at least. I'm really way too tired to do serious work now.

However I'm bringing this up:

Show nested quote +
On September 06 2015 01:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On September 06 2015 00:53 boxerfred wrote:
Hello guys, just chiming in to say "yo I'm here". Currently reading up the thread, I got like 1-2 hours time as of now. Are there any questions directed to me in a direct way? Really willing to contribute here but I don't have much time until monday.

there's no way to read you when you've literally done nothing so far. but i am interested in knowing what your thoughts on CopCake and n00bKing are.


I think the best thing for me to do right now is to try to appear townie and pretty much try to not get policy lynched. As far as I've read, n00bKing appears to not contribute a thing, asking questions that are not related to anything important or even useful. Feels like a lot of fluff to appear active.

Skimming through CopCake's filter, I just see some hard to read posts and pressure on n00bKing, not too much evidence being brought up, just a vote. Nothing substantial although it feels like there's a high grade of activity (his filter is like 10% of the overall game by now) and she's also trying to argue and explain - so I probably wouldn't give it a scum lean.

However I'll take some more time and try to catch up, I'll probably be around EoD. No guarantee on that though, I'm tired as fuck and also ill, chilling with my laptop in my awesome bed.

I also want to say something about rayn: I shadowed him in one of the last games where he was town. He told me quite a lot about how he plays as town and there are some points that he told me that really hit this game: 1. he said he sucked at convincing people, and 2. he said he'd sometimes get really mad about other people. I think rayn is town.

Okay I'm back and reading from where I left off but wtf is with this post.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 06 2015 21:49 GMT
#1151
On September 07 2015 04:00 GlowingBear wrote:
If people are going against lurkers, than we should lynch the scummiest, and not someone who is most likely a question mark. Scott fits the scummy lurker cartegory

? boxerfred would be the most scummy lurker here based on his post. scott has actually posted a lot by his own standards and he's actually showing decent reads this time around.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 06 2015 21:52 GMT
#1155
On September 07 2015 06:51 Alakaslam wrote:
Moose I want to see your thoughts on the three superbia put up kthx

im still reading thru the thread.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 06 2015 21:55 GMT
#1161
On September 07 2015 06:47 Superbia wrote:
Oh yeah. Opinions on noobking/glowingbear/copcake please pre-flip. From everyone.

Noobking- Mafia
Glowingbear- Neutral (town-lean before but yamato/rayn buttfucking town-lean)
Copcake- No idea.

okok i haven't finished reading thru but this is what i think:
n00bKing - town
GlowingBear - null
CopCake - scum lean
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 06 2015 21:57 GMT
#1167
what is this from the voting thread copcake hmmm?

On September 07 2015 06:51 CopCake wrote:
##unvote
##vote: GlowingBear

"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 06 2015 22:06 GMT
#1187
i honestly don't know how to read glowingbear. i'm pretty certain about copcake though. i've seen a couple posts about her like how her posts are good which i'll address on end of n1 in case i die.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 06 2015 22:07 GMT
#1191
On September 07 2015 06:19 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2015 06:16 Superbia wrote:
But here's the problem, noobking doesn't look like his mafia meta on this site, but the fact that he has played on other sites (and judging from what he's said, played a lot) makes me believe he can probably play mafia in multiple ways.

Could, sure. But I usually just play Mafia the same way I play Town.

no u do not. ur metas for both are as different as light and day now that i've seen them both.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 06 2015 22:11 GMT
#1201
On September 07 2015 06:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
noobking let's be real you aren't pushing anything.

-.- this is very true. and this is indicative of ur scum play tbh n00bKing.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 06 2015 22:15 GMT
#1205
I'm caught up. My thoughts on lynch targets.

I like what's been said about GlowingBear especially that he's been all over the place, but he didn't fall for my traps and his responses have been fine to questions in general. This places him at a solid null for me.

n00bKing is still town in my eyes although one thing that's been pointed out is that he hasn't been assertive near EoD. idk if it's because he wants to save himself or what.

People have been saying CopCake's posts look natural and good, but there are flaws in them that I'll point out in my case.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 06 2015 22:16 GMT
#1209
On September 07 2015 07:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I'M THE DOCTOR
I WAS SLEEPING

wtf???
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 06 2015 22:18 GMT
#1221
fuck. what do we do rayn. believe him or not??
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 06 2015 22:21 GMT
#1233
On September 07 2015 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
no just lynch GB.

ok

dam i hate these eod claims.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 06 2015 22:23 GMT
#1243
On September 07 2015 07:21 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2015 07:20 n00bKing wrote:
On September 07 2015 07:17 GlowingBear wrote:
JESUS I SAID I WAS VIGI BECAUSE MAFIA KNOW THE ROLES SO I WOULDNT BE SHOT AR NIHJT

If you claim Vigilante in a ruleset where you're the Doctor, the Cop would know you are lying.


So he just checks me at night if he is smart.

Then he gets a green check on me and I keep alive.

That's why I didn't want to talk about my claim.

wtf is this??
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 06 2015 22:24 GMT
#1248
ok what GB said makes absolutely no fucking sense
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 06 2015 22:26 GMT
#1262
rayn wtf do we do. im just gonna sheep u.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
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