Like here's what is going to happen. I have a visitor arriving later today, which means I probably won't be here until near EoD. I will be around more or less for 2-3 hours, on and off. If you have any questions, ask them directly and I will answer.

I am currently looking at copcake interactions.

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

September 18 2015 12:46 GMT

#3080

I'm also not going to read walls of text regarding my alignment. Ask me direct questions only.

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

September 18 2015 13:01 GMT

#3081

I think I'm willing to lose if moosy is scum at this point. I think copcake spewed him town.

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

September 18 2015 13:06 GMT

#3082

On September 07 2015 06:16 Superbia wrote:

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I don't fucking know at this point man. Gut says it's one between moosy or copcake. One between scott/GB. And maybe someone like you. But it could also easily be someone like noobking in there.

But here's the problem, noobking doesn't look like his mafia meta on this site, but the fact that he has played on other sites (and judging from what he's said, played a lot) makes me believe he can probably play mafia in multiple ways. So I don't know about noobking's alignment. He doesn't really seem to want to contribute at all, which doesn't help me at all.

Like the problem is that I'm stucking between worlds right now. And this is mostly caused by the fact that both rayn and yamato believe in a world which I don't really believe in right now. Like they both think copcake is town, and they both think scott is town. I think they're both town and decent/good players. This leaves me confused.

How fucking sick is this post btw. Rofl.

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

September 18 2015 13:06 GMT

#3083

I kind of want to lynch slam just to see if I was right haha.

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

September 18 2015 13:13 GMT

#3085

I'm evaluating sson. Copcake very spastic reads EoD3 (? end of her filter). Calls scott mafia for small thing but pretty much forgets it and goes on fidei/moosy.

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

September 18 2015 13:14 GMT

#3087

Moosy you're going to tell me in short sentences why you think I'm mafia. Like exactly what lines of play/interactions. I will break it apart. I think you're town btw.

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

September 18 2015 13:18 GMT

#3090

As for slam, copcake/slam interaction at EoD3 might've been awkward (going to look into it right now) and mafia-mafia interaction. People once told me that happy slam = town slam. But he has been somewhat unhappy at times (iirc). Also him trying to take leadership during d3 felt awkward.

Also called him out EoD1 when I had decent reads so I probably had a reason haha. But that's more curiosity.

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

September 18 2015 13:19 GMT

#3091

On September 18 2015 22:14 MoosyDoosy wrote:

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Pretty sure Fidei is town tho.

Maybe. Maybe I was too focused on him being wrong. I'm currently trying to evaluate everyone from the ground up.

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

September 18 2015 13:29 GMT

#3092

Brb.

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

September 18 2015 13:48 GMT

#3098

Okok real quick then back to brb:

1. I was confused early on due to conflicting worlds with yamato/rayn. Both of whom I townread and respected. They townshielded copcake and mafia-read GB. My worlds were opposite (though I was unsure on GB, but I don't really know how to read him. But I despise sheeping since it generally leads me nowhere). The questions never really went anywhere because I never got a hard mafia tell on people. The post that I quoted above shows where I was at EoD1. Definitely in the correct direction, but yet unable to distinguish the mafia out of the pairings.

2. Here's the problem right. I was really just hoping Boxerfred wouldn't be the other lynch because I thought he was the cop. I really did not want to out him because I thought he was the cop. In my opinion, you can clearly see my struggle at that end of day. Again I do not want to out the cop. I even ask boxerfred if he's here when I'm already scared the wagon will eventually go on him. Essentially why I out it so late is because that's the exact time when the wagon on him has more votes than the wagon on me and I do not want to out the cop for no reason.

3. I can't help this. I think she townread me to pocket me. But whatever.

4. Ok. So early on d1 I am somewhat scumleaning Copcake but yamato/rayn are hard defending her so I have no fucking idea what to do. I re-evaluated her alignment somewhere during n1 iirc. Which is around the time when I started playing voice mafia. I play voice mafia with copcake numerous times and I believe she was scum twice (maybe once). I correctly identify some scum/towntells (has partially something to do with pro-activity. I usually gut/soul-read people, with a bit of logic behind it. I don't take posts at face-value, but instead I analyze rational behind the posts, so it's harder to explain reads.). I believe she had a town-tell here in this game (from her big post) and the fact that rayn/yamato were townshielding her so hard (I called her out at EoD1 about a bad scum-read on I believe moosy) so I town-read her. Obviously should've stuck to my early gut/guns and have now refined my scum-read on here I believe (not that that matters now).

5. Mistake. Probably forgot d1 read.

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

September 18 2015 13:49 GMT

#3099

On September 18 2015 22:36 MoosyDoosy wrote:

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This is bad mindset man. Especially when you said you'd evaluate everyone.

I evaluated you + copcake. I'm saying I'm fine ride or dying with you. It doesn't mean I didn't evaluate you or whatever. I just believe from numerous occasions (there's a decent generic town-tell that's never been wrong and you had it too, not going to say what it is) that you are town.

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

September 18 2015 13:49 GMT

#3100

Ok brb.

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

September 18 2015 13:51 GMT

#3101

Oh yeah.

On September 18 2015 22:47 MoosyDoosy wrote:

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It doesn't benefit scum but it's a common reaction. I don't see it far from this world for you to be demotivated after scummate CopCake basically gives up and doesn't even fight off the lynch

Look at my scum/town games. I pick up slack when my alignment is losing. That's when I go ham. I slack when I'm winning.

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

September 18 2015 14:36 GMT

#3103

On September 18 2015 23:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:
1. I’m talking about in general. Your whole D1 game was questions and you didn’t give any reads. Not just the whole yamato/rayn debacle which made you waffle. Like, you cannot deny your early game was rather subpar. Sure you spurred conversation, but it’s a mystery to read you because all you did was questions.

2. But see, boxerfred would have been lynched anyway with only 3-5 minutes left to go when you outed him. Like, your out made no sense at that point in time. He would have been lynched anyway and he WAS lynched anyway. If you really cared about letting who you thought was our cop “live” then you should have outed him earlier. You cannot deny that if boxerfred was our cop he would have died anyway. You get no town cred for showing you were hunting blues and outing one super late enough that he would have died anyway.

3 is WIFOM so I agree it can only be used as confirmation. 4 is still a point. It’s no reason to hard townread someone based off of meta and in a different variant of Mafia. 5 is a point too.

1. That's not true. I gave some reads at EoD but I was still clear that I was still unsure about who the actual scum was. This is why most of my d1 consisted of questions. Most of them were answered but did not amount to much.

2. That's bullshit and complete hindsight. Everyone who was voting on BF was there. If anyone besides slam would've switched I would've been dead and, if you believe I was mafia, the godfather would've died. My out makes complete sense if I believe boxerfred to be the cop. This is such a ridiculous point you're hammering home dude. Evaluate that EoD from my PoV believing me to be town and believing BF to be the cop. Again. I don't want cop to be outed AND I don't want cop to die. The fact that you believe me to be MAFIA for this is bonkers. Absolutely insane. (Also you should try and read PRs as either alignment).

3. You read people based on whatever you can. If I think I can read someone (as whatever alignment) based on meta, I will. I turned out to be wrong. Big deal. I turned out to be right EoD1, but nobody gives a shit about that.I also don't see how 5 is still a point?

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

September 18 2015 15:29 GMT

#3105

Moosy. Boxerfred was not in the lead so I did not want to out the cop. Do you not understand my predicament at EoD3? This is actually really fucking frustrating. You need to re-evaluate. I can not know whether you or NM would switch. Would it have mattered if I had been 10m earlier? No fucking idea. This is such an incredibly bad point dude, realize this. I can not know how you guys will react to my PR-read on boxer. I can not know that you guys will not switch on me. 3 minutes is plenty of time to switch.

5 is more townie than NAI. It clearly shows I am unclear about copcake's alignment in my opinion. But take that as you want.