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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 19 2015 23:05 GMT
#3281
I'll explain. Let me write it up.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
September 19 2015 23:06 GMT
#3282
ObsQT give me the strength I need to figure this out!
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
September 19 2015 23:08 GMT
#3283
On September 20 2015 08:05 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Oh shoot. Fidei, I mean scott is Mafia here.


Ummm, yeah... rofl
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Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 19 2015 23:11 GMT
#3284
Okay. Let me get deep into the WIFOM for a second. The night was basically me fighting with Md, and slam accusing Scott. Scott was basically quiet.

Slam was on Scott. Maybe he moves. But chances are he doesn't because he didn't have much time and he seemed pretty sure.

If I'm Scott, I think I kill ... Slam? If he kills you I re-evaluate. I really was only scum reading slam for fucking off, I think. If he kills me, I think you do the same.

If I'm you I think I kill me. My reasoning for why I wouldn't kill slam is the same as why you wouldn't either. Also I was pushing you and clearly slam and Scott weren't interested.

So the NK WIFOM analysis makes it much much more likely that it's Scott.

I need to go back to the filters.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 19 2015 23:13 GMT
#3285
Md if you could figure out which of us you are certain it is, that would be handy :-)
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 19 2015 23:17 GMT
#3286
On September 20 2015 08:13 Fidei86 wrote:
Md if you could figure out which of us you are certain it is, that would be handy :-)

it's scott. but you are an important part of the case which is why i mixed u up with him.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
September 19 2015 23:18 GMT
#3287
Fidei, ask me any questions you need clarification on.
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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 19 2015 23:26 GMT
#3288
Okay, so there is one important fact that I want to outline here which Slam hit on perfectly.

- There is no world where I am confirmed town.

There is actually a fairly easy case to be made on me as Slam says. After the initial rush to make alignment cases from the cop claim, I made an effort to note how people read me. It’s very VERY easy to town read me in this situation. Those that did immediately were the most suspicious. So the days that came after were very important.

A major part of why I scum read Superbia was actually because he hard town read me. I had a lot of power to throw around at this point, so it made sense for him to try and appeal to me if I was Mafia. I obviously was wrong.

Then Fidei started throwing stuff at me. Unfortunately, it was baseless but it showed me an important fact. It was that Fidei was willing to re-evaluate the game.

It’s very easy for Mafia here to go with the flow and sheep town sentiment. This is why I made an effort to stir up conversation and a bit of chaos. When Fidei tried to make a few points on me, I was very very happy because it showed he was town.

Then Slam made his post about how it was very easy to make a scum case off of me which is very, very true. The rest of that post was actually on point with my thoughts so he was a town read immediately.

The way this night turned out just confirmed my reads. Slam was town, and I’m pretty sure Fidei was too. It’s important to look at scott’s reaction too. He has a world where there is Fidei and me together. He has to keep his options open in order to easily sheep a read. Unfortunately, he’s been rather hard town reading me this whole time which is why right after the flip he tries to write something out on me.

ALSO, when I asked him for his read progression on me, he said that he was generally suspicious of me this whole game. Unfortunately for him, he forgot how he read me as town for basically D1 then all of a sudden switched his read to mafia lean on me. I actually noted this back when it happened but passed it away as I was so focused on Cop. Glad that I still remember it.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 19 2015 23:27 GMT
#3289
Also, the night kill makes sense. Think of a world where he lynches you or me, Fidei. If he does that, he'll be stuck with Slam who's hard scum reading him here and who literally remained tunneled despite how I tried to make him think otherwise. This is bad for him so he has no choice BUT to lynch Slam here.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 19 2015 23:28 GMT
#3290
Boom. Moosy the town savior.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 19 2015 23:30 GMT
#3291
I'll clean it up and compile it with evidence. I was a bit rushed to just post this.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 19 2015 23:33 GMT
#3292
There is a way that I could think of Fidei as a possible Mafia but it's so weak in comparison to scott.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 20 2015 00:14 GMT
#3293
On September 20 2015 08:27 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also, the night kill makes sense. Think of a world where he lynches you or me, Fidei. If he does that, he'll be stuck with Slam who's hard scum reading him here and who literally remained tunneled despite how I tried to make him think otherwise. This is bad for him so he has no choice BUT to lynch Slam here.

I agree, although I made this point earlier.

Interesting case though. Very plausible indeed. It's late and I need to sleep, but I'll reconsider tomorrow.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 20 2015 01:32 GMT
#3294
On September 20 2015 09:30 scott31337 wrote:
##Vote: Moosydoosy

This is Mafia play. Like there is no reason for him to vote for me and I don't even see him reviewing a world where Fidei is Mafia. He's just responding to my vote and case on him without thinking.

This is basically tacitly that Fidei is town lol.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
September 20 2015 01:58 GMT
#3295
You already know Fidei and I are town. The Slam kill is to frame me and I'm the lower of the hanging fruit in your mind. It's obvious. Hopefully Fidei sees it. I spent a good hour writing up that post for 3:29pm. Didn't even think the Slam kill would happen - but it all makes sense now.

Because of your push on Copcake the whole game I was drinking the kool-aid. I wish I could've seen it sooner though.

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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
September 20 2015 02:28 GMT
#3296
On September 05 2015 09:30 GlowingBear wrote:
Well, if rayn is really ignoring me just because I made a joke I'm happy where my vote is placed at. I gave my opinion on why I think he is mafia and I invite everyone to read it.

I also think MoosyDoosy might be mafia.

I think Breshke looks townie.
I think Superbia looks townie.

I didn't like yamato's opening but I have nothing against his posts. His alignment gets clearer as the game goes by, so I won't worry about it now.


I was wrong here, it's all true.

On September 05 2015 14:56 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2015 14:47 Alakaslam wrote:
GB only voting lurkers lol

Srs man, no more scummy than that? No wonder I was under pressure.

Still am for that matter, because I am deathbattling which always looks stupid if you are thuu


Slam, he is the scummiest lurker.

I have a slight scumread on Moosy doosy. It is for his earlier posts but his latest posts are contentful. I do know what to do out of his answer about noob king tho

I have a slight scum read on Rayn, but he is reevaluating stuff like I would expect from a townie and he has been productive.

I'm still forming my read on noobking. My problem is: if I admit he is scum, then Rayn is town. They are probably not Mafia together.

Now I have scott who posted a bad reads post and pissed off. He played very poorly last game we played together tho. But I don't think I should give him leeway out of that.


Where the fuck did his Moosy scumread go? He had no problem voting for me though.

On September 06 2015 06:38 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2015 06:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I'm fairly confident in my n00bKing read that he's town. I don't think CopCake and n00bKing are Mafia together.

If n00bKing is lynched D1 and he flips town, then I want you all to consider CopCake as a serious candidate for a D2 lynch.

If n00bKing is lynched D1 and he flips Mafia, then I will drop all grounds that CopCake could be Mafia.

On D2 I will provide my case on CopCake to show that she is Mafia.

But I am fairly certain in my reads on these two people.


This honestly looks like you know that noobking is town.




Mafia don't like having to lie, because it's easier to keep the story straight.

On September 07 2015 05:05 CopCake wrote:
noobking, moosy and gb.


It was a fat bus the whole fucking game - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480965-mafia-mini-mafia2-another-miniature-game-of-mafia - Damdred would be proud.
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
September 20 2015 02:39 GMT
#3297
+ Show Spoiler [For Reference] +

Day 1 Votecount


GlowingBear (7): Alakaslam, scott31337, raynpelikoneet, Yamato77, Fidei86, CopCake, boxerfred
CopCake (3): n00bking, MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage
n00bking (1): Superbia
Alakaslam (1): Breshke
scott31337 (1): GlowingBear

Not Voting (0):

Currently, GlowingBear is fixin' to be jettisoned out the gorram cargo bay with 7 votes in . Please do not forget to vote.

-Final Day 1-

Final Day 1 Votecount


n00bking (7): Superbia, Fidei86, raynpelikoneet, Yamato77, scott31337, GlowingBear, Alakaslam
CopCake (2): MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage
GlowingBear (2): boxerfred, n00bking
Alakaslam (1): Breshke
scott31337 (1): CopCake

Not Voting (0):

Currently, n00bking was jettisoned out the gorram cargo bay with 7 votes.

-Final Day 2-

Day 2 Votecount


GlowingBear (9): raynpelikoneet, Fidei86, scott31337, Breshke, NocturneMage, Alakaslam, boxerfred, CopCake, Superbia
CopCake (1): MoosyDoosy
raynpelikoneet (1): GlowingBear

Not Voting (0):

In GlowingBear will be abandoned on the nearest moon with 9 votes. Please do not forget to vote.

-Final Day 3-

boxerfred (3): MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage, scott31337
Superbia (3): Breshke, Fidei86, Alakaslam
Fidei86 (1): Superbia
MoosyDoosy (1): boxerfred
scott31337 (1): CopCake

Not Informing (0):

Day 4 Votecount


CopCake (6): scott31337, NocturneMage, MoosyDoosy, Superbia, Alakaslam, Fidei86
NocturneMage (1):
CopCake

Not Voting (0):

If CopCake doesn't watch it, they are liable to handelin' the wrong end of a pistol in with 6 votes. Please do not forget to vote.

Day 5 Votecount


Superbia (3): scott31337, MoosyDoosy, Fidei86
scott31337 (2): Alakaslam, Superbia

Not Voting (0):

Currently Superbia is set to be fired by the flies.
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
September 20 2015 02:47 GMT
#3298
It's just like http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486008-holy-guardians-chapter-1 - At the end I already who the mafia are. It's just about convincing the others. VE was too close-minded this game though.
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
September 20 2015 02:48 GMT
#3299
On September 20 2015 05:13 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2015 04:18 scott31337 wrote:
Day 1 Votecount


GlowingBear (7): Alakaslam, scott31337, raynpelikoneet, Yamato77, Fidei86, CopCake, boxerfred
CopCake (3): n00bking, MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage
n00bking (1): Superbia
Alakaslam (1): Breshke
scott31337 (1): GlowingBear

Not Voting (0):

Currently, GlowingBear is fixin' to be jettisoned out the gorram cargo bay with 7 votes in . Please do not forget to vote.

-Final Day 1-

Final Day 1 Votecount


n00bking (7): Superbia, Fidei86, raynpelikoneet, Yamato77, scott31337, GlowingBear, Alakaslam
CopCake (2): MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage
GlowingBear (2): boxerfred, n00bking
Alakaslam (1): Breshke
scott31337 (1): CopCake

Not Voting (0):

Currently, n00bking was jettisoned out the gorram cargo bay with 7 votes.

-Final Day 2-

Day 2 Votecount


GlowingBear (9): raynpelikoneet, Fidei86, scott31337, Breshke, NocturneMage, Alakaslam, boxerfred, CopCake, Superbia
CopCake (1): MoosyDoosy
raynpelikoneet (1): GlowingBear

Not Voting (0):

In GlowingBear will be abandoned on the nearest moon with 9 votes. Please do not forget to vote.

-Final Day 3-

boxerfred (3): MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage, scott31337
Superbia (3): Breshke, Fidei86, Alakaslam
Fidei86 (1): Superbia
MoosyDoosy (1): boxerfred
scott31337 (1): CopCake

Not Informing (0):

Day 4 Votecount


CopCake (6): scott31337, NocturneMage, MoosyDoosy, Superbia, Alakaslam, Fidei86
NocturneMage (1): CopCake

Not Voting (0):

If CopCake doesn't watch it, they are liable to handelin' the wrong end of a pistol in with 6 votes. Please do not forget to vote.

Day 5 Votecount


Superbia (3): scott31337, MoosyDoosy, Fidei86
scott31337 (2): Alakaslam, Superbia

Not Voting (0):

[b]Currently Superbia is set to be fired by the flies.

What does this prove?

No matter what, scum have to be involved in a phat bus.

And you were much faster leaving flowing bear, and the CopCake lynch is pure NAI obviously. You also voted Superbia, NAI! Me not voting him is just as NAI; as scum it makes more sense to repeat the CopCake lynch so that there is more ambiguity. Then scum can point anywhere; I voted with my belief.
[/b]

I left Bear because he claimed with very little time left. There was no CC.
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
September 20 2015 02:49 GMT
#3300
On September 20 2015 02:15 Fidei86 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On September 19 2015 23:34 Fidei86 wrote:
BECAUSE WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE WERE THREATENED WITH A MODKILL. I ASSUME IF WE AREN'T ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT IT, WE AREN'T ALLOWED TO TAKE IT INTO ACCOUNT.

So you're saying you're not taking something into account that could have been a slip? Hm...I'll stop pressing the topic if it makes you that uncomfortable.

Someone please explain to me how this post comes from anyone other than Mafia. There is 0 reason for town MD to make this post.

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