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Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 12 2015 12:50 GMT
#2295
My problem at the moment is that both scott's and fidei's reads are logical fallacies. They read the "shitfight" as worthless and essentially both ignore boxerfred's town case on me without as much as a thought (like they literally do not refute it). To me this shows an adamant point of view coming in from n2. Let me ask you (scott+fidei) a question, have you ever asked yourself the question "what would town Superbia do during this day?"? No. Regardless of what I would do, you would be fine calling me mafia today:
I do something -> Superbia is struggling to get townread.
I do nothing -> Superbia has given up as mafia.

This is not how town should play. I am surprised by both that you are perfectly willing to call me mafia on n2 for no good reason (I'll explain below how mafia would act after GB's fake claim, and why this would potentially finger scott). Yet only scott has played a single game with me (iirc, and I was town). So you are both willing to hard call me mafia coming into n2 and not evaluate on d3 ("lolz this game is ez boiz"(. This could be town being ignorant and arrogant, but it's likely at least one of the two is mafia.

Let me explain to you how GB's claim influences mafia play:
When GB claims doctor at the end of d1. Mafia knows glowingbear dies the next day, and flips mafia. It is therefore incredibly likely that mafia will bus GB ASAP.

In fact, it makes it more likely that there was already a bus on GB (I'm actually leaning towards scott), or that slam was bussing GB (I have a townread on slam independent of his push on GB). Scott looks so fucking good after GB flips mafia, since he was on his dick since early d1 (so early that it reeks of TMI/bussing). In fact, GB even made an entire case on scott! (and granted, in GB's meta he has not made a case on his partner d1, but he has made a case on his partner when he was about to die, iirc). But I personally feel like the case was ill-timed (train was starting on GB).

Now, this is made all the more damning by the fact that scott seems absolutely fine to see this day play out with a lynch on me (fidei too, for that matter). Let me tell you this much: I'm unsure of breshke's alignment at this point, but if he flips green today or tomorrow, I know for a fact that there's at least one between fidei and scott (though this may remain true even if he flips red).

Honestly I don't believe we should kill scott today, but I think fidei is an excellent target.

tl;dr:
- Fidei never played with me (except voice).
- Fidei fine with not evaluating my play and being adamant on lynch on me for no good reason (should not have a good read on me).
- Fidei believes I am a strong player, if I am mafia my play would have been exceptionally weak (I would have bussed GB pre-flip, as any decent mafia player would do).
- Scott played with me once (I was town)
- Scott fine with not evaluating my play and being adamant on lynch on me for no good reason (should not have a good read on me).
- Distance between scott and GB does not mean scott is town.
- Mafia for sure bussed GB pre-flip.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 12 2015 12:51 GMT
#2296
We should kill fidei or breshke today. Would prefer fidei.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 12 2015 13:08 GMT
#2297
Also don't give scott a pass if you get to final 3 w/ him.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 12 2015 13:14 GMT
#2299
On September 12 2015 22:14 Breshke wrote:
Superbia why is there one between fidei and Scott if I am green

Also nocturne were you inferring that there is deffs a mafia between me and superbia for the so called shitfight


Because I'm town and then they're both pushing on town and were confirmed fine with not evaluating on town.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 12 2015 13:15 GMT
#2300
Like fidei+nocturne is a world.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 12 2015 13:20 GMT
#2301
Actually kind of like nocturne's filter regarding gb's flip. Maybe not nocturne.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 12 2015 13:21 GMT
#2302
I'll be back later.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 12 2015 14:35 GMT
#2305
On September 12 2015 22:59 Breshke wrote:
Meh I'm still happy voting you superbia

Halp


On September 12 2015 08:54 Breshke wrote:
I'm fairly sure I would not lynch MD today

Fidei saying that myself and superbia came back to the thread is really fckn contrived I was around way early than him talking to moosey

Also the amount of people saying that mine and superbias discussion was useless is making me think he is town. It wasn't useless, you see us talking about pr's but not why it involved both of us making a read on the other and the fact that both BF and fidei come into the thread call it a shitfight and useless but don't comment on any of the reads me or superbia made from it makes me think one of them is mafia

Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 12 2015 14:35 GMT
#2306
¿¿¿
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Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 12 2015 14:49 GMT
#2307
I'll be back later, but elaborate on that pls breshke.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 12 2015 17:51 GMT
#2327
Slam I will back you up and see what scott does.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 12 2015 17:55 GMT
#2328
On September 13 2015 02:29 boxerfred wrote:
Received a voting reminder. Gonna go for MD. Don't have time to do evaluate anything.


Are you still around?
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 12 2015 18:06 GMT
#2336
Slam how do you both like my case and think I'm scum? And scott, why do you think it's okay to afk this day? x:
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 12 2015 18:10 GMT
#2344
Why do people think fidei is town btw?
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 12 2015 18:14 GMT
#2348
On September 13 2015 03:12 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2015 03:10 Superbia wrote:
Why do people think fidei is town btw?

...

You and GB play a very similar scum game.

Point fingers everywhere and then paranoid when suspected.



I've had fingers on him since yesterday.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 12 2015 18:18 GMT
#2353
On September 13 2015 03:16 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2015 03:14 Superbia wrote:
On September 13 2015 03:12 Alakaslam wrote:
On September 13 2015 03:10 Superbia wrote:
Why do people think fidei is town btw?

...

You and GB play a very similar scum game.

Point fingers everywhere and then paranoid when suspected.



I've had fingers on him since yesterday.

But everywhere and paranoia.

No, I see it now


Slam... >:|
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 12 2015 18:26 GMT
#2364
No Chupazi.
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Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 12 2015 18:26 GMT
#2367
I also unvoted btw rso.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 12 2015 18:30 GMT
#2374
Scott what was your mafia read on GB?
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 12 2015 18:41 GMT
#2385
Slam you just called me town.
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