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On September 15 2015 05:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Oh yeah, something I forgot to mention was that the night kill WIFOM doesn't make sense. Like, there are other teammates besides CopCake that exist and they were the ones who probably wanted to kill yamato/rayn as the town leaders. Like sure, it did help to clear her, but it doesn't make her confirmed town in any way.
On September 14 2015 07:47 NocturneMage wrote:
Someone argued that the nightkills were suboptimal. At first I thought the Yamato kill was suboptimal for mafia copcake but then I realised the Yamato kill had to have been done anyhow because it was a medic dodge for rayn. Rayn is getting killed by EVERY mafia team out there - Copcake if mafia is not the only mafia team. So the kills as far as I realise are NAI for Copcake.
Superbia has fuck load more experience than me. I would assume he should know much better than me.
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well here's the thing.
irrespective of whom I checked.
alakaslam and superbia are objectively the most scummy compared to scott/fidei.
I already looked through scott's filter plus several games of his from the database. I give it about a 5% chance or less he's the godfather. I also saw what was a reasonable explanation for his meta read on gb.
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if you disagree and are seeing stuff on scott/fidei that I am not, let me know. I can look at it.
and if you are somehow (warning: super insane tinfoil alert) the final mafia, town will never win this game.
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Fidei is the last I need to do a serious deep dive on from start to end. But that waits until tomorrow.
I'm going to spend time with the wife and "save" her from playing shitty dota 
(no fucking idea how people enjoy that game. zero.)
good night all.
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On September 15 2015 16:30 Fidei86 wrote:
Where is Superbia anyway? Has he even posted recently?
If Superbia is final mafia as I suspect, the fact he has posted less than Alakaslam is telling at this point.
At the very least I would expect him to be able to justify or try and justify a push on Fidei. Because I smelt bullshit so far from that push once we were past n1.
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I'm very busy at work but I'll wrap up looking into Fidei and a tinfoil MD before the end of night just so I've covered everything.
Also I'm not sure it is alignment indicative but what in the actual fuck is a chupazi?
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Two down, godfather to go. 
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Finished reading up and down Fidei's filter.
We probably should just lynch Fidei for stealing HTS to play dota. The question isn't why, it's why not.
I had to go there 
Alright seriously...
The one that stuck out to me was him voting off-wagon d1.
The rest of his reads were pretty clear though and d1 he really didn't seem to have an agenda.
There were a lot of trips and typos and such but this was all explained by him being up late or tired or what have you. I've been there too many times. To me, that is not alignment indicative.
On September 10 2015 07:44 Fidei86 wrote:
I really feel that the scum team is most likely two of Cop, NM, Superbia and Breshke.
Then he had the posts about saying Cake didn't have as much or the least towncred from pinging out GB.
He's been all over the shop examining and re-examining reads and re-evaluating.
Really if Fidei is mafia, he can stand as an MP quite easily.
As for the comment on geript giving him advice, scott, I'm not sure a mafia Fidei would be dumb enough to copy and paste advice from the mafia QT. He'd be a lot smarter than that, plus he seems to have a few games under his belt where he could just saying something like that without getting advice as either alignment.
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MoosyDoosy, the tinfoil mafia.
On September 06 2015 09:03 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 05:12 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 06 2015 05:07 Superbia wrote:
moosy/noobking/copcake/others. Can you guys make some sort of list post on where you stand? Like on everyone. Specifically I would also like people to give an opinion on the whole noobking/rayn conundrum. What do you think of their alignment? -.- i detailed a post where i lumped people into categories but here you go: town: raynpelikoneet, yamato77 town lean: Superbia, Alakaslam null: Breshke, boxerfred, GlowingBear, scott31337, Fidei86 people to look into: nocturnemage/coughinghydra, copcake ???: n00bKing Okay, so this post. WTF. I started off by running through all the reads one by one, but the thing that really sticks out here is that MD's previous five pages of filter are basically just a defence of n00b. MD goes as far as to say that he has the best read on n00b of everyone in the game, and that he is basically SURE that this is n00b's town meta. But now that there's a wagon picking up on n00b, he's trying to walk that back? Huh? MD you really need to explain this read for me, because at the moment it really stinks.
Did MD have TMI on n00b?
On September 08 2015 21:11 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2015 09:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 08 2015 09:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 08 2015 09:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 08 2015 09:24 Superbia wrote:
I'm here. Moosydoosy what do you make of the claims? rayn counterclaims because he's angry and thinks gb is bad at the game. i still think gb claim is BS. fuck you i literally counter claimed because GB claimed my role and is not a doctor. If GB flips town doctor you lynch me the next day. It is simple as that. And you don't think neither of us is mafia which automatically makes you scum. no this can be false because i think you are angry as you are right now and that you're putting enough faith into your gb read to try and kill him. Moosy, I'm trying to get a handle on whether you actually believe what you're saying here. Let me get this straight - you think that it is possible TOWN Rayn is fake counter-claiming DOCTOR GlowingBear, because Rayn is so angry at GB? Let's consider that for a moment. When you get a claim/counter-claim situation as town then you absolutely have to, 100% of the time, lynch whichever of the claimers you don't believe. If they flip blue, you lynch the other claimer. You do this because there is no reason to think that the town claimer is lying. The reason for THAT is because if Rayn is VT and he's CCing GB, he will know we willl have to lynch them both. Town don't lie on these sorts of CCs because if they are wrong, it means two guarantees mislynches, and it ALSO means that town waste two days. Let's say GB flips blue. We then lynch Rayn. We have to as he is a confirmed liar. If Rayn then flips green, we're in triple lylo with no doctor. Put another way, town Rayn would be staking the entire game on his read of GB. More or less. Rayn might be emotional, but he's not a moron. I just refuse to believe that he's that idiotic and egotistical. I have been in voice-Mafia games where he has done this (I think), but those are just quick throwaway games for fun - this is a huge forum game where everyone is putting in hours and hours of time. It's very different. The only reason not to scum read Moosy is that his read of the situation is so far off the beaten path, and makes so little sense, I don't see scum pushing it. Rayn - if you are VT then you will need to personally apologies to every town member for throwing. Everyone else- the vote today is GB 100%. Please read what I said earlier above about the context of Rayn and GB's claim, if you're unsure.
More TMI?
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On September 16 2015 14:02 scott31337 wrote:
There's only one mafia left and Alakaslam and Superbia suck.
this. so much this.
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If MoosyDoosy is in three man lylo with Superbia and Fidei....oh man.
More tinfoil.
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26 pages in MD's filter. Alright this is going to wait until lunch. FML.
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Right now, I'd say <5% on Fidei and <5% on scott.
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I know Superbia (shocking, I know right?) took up the topic of TMI bussing on Slam's part. There was Slam' push on Breshke and then the drop which I really didn't care for. The push was organic I felt but the drop was not. It just felt weird.
Fidei making comments on lylo and stuff I think is just him scumreading on superbia as superbia wants him dead hard and mafia superbia may want to keep him alive.
As for MD being in three person lylo, the premise is that if someone that is super towny should be killed off and if he's alive for too long he might be mafia. Like, if there is no logical reason that he should be alive over X then there's an issue. The downside to this is that mafia may have legit reasons for picking that person to be alive, he may be tunnelled on their target of choice/whatever or might be more persuadable or whatever.
And if you are mafia (Scott) then you have severely broken meta but even ignoring that you just overall have a very towny game.
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On September 16 2015 18:36 Fidei86 wrote:
The weird thing is that scott, MD, NM and me all seem to have reached exactly the same conclusion, and only one of us, if any, can be mafia. That makes me think that if you guys *is* mafia, you're a lot lot lot better than I'm currently giving you credit for.
There's zero chance I'm alive after the daypost. If I am still alive it makes no sense as I am borderline confirmed (not truly confirmed until I die) and it's a severely suboptimal play for mafia. The only reason I can even think of an outed blue being kept alive is if they are playing otherwise very poorly for town where it's worth killing off a more threatening or influential VT than they, but we are in a late enough stage in the game where this isn't the case.
rayn/yamato are long gone and nearly everyone else now are on the same page.
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Yeah regarding MoosyDoosy, it is severely suboptimal for mafia MD to be bussing the roleblocker the entirety of the game. Now maybe he realised no one would listen to him or he could openly get away with it, but that also requires him to know other players in this game well enough where he knows no one will take him seriously. Per database, he's had four games, 3 of them newbies. Player lists don't indicate most of those same players in this current game.
It's just way the hell out there.
Also MD has never played as mafia, so we don't know if he pulls crazy shit as mafia as he would town. That's the only other problem.
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On September 16 2015 22:12 Superbia wrote:
I'll probably try tomorrow and see if I can get you guys on the right path again. We'll probably end up lynching me though. Meh. We'll see.
We all agree to some extent it is Slam. But why are you so damned sure it's Fidei?
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The only thing I recall being weird about MD is when I tried to research Copcake in the database and he talked about a game with rayn and Copcake about them both being mafia, and I couldn't find Copcake in the database.
And rayn grilled him on where that game was - it didn't exist. It was weird.
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On September 16 2015 22:17 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 22:16 NocturneMage wrote:On September 16 2015 22:12 Superbia wrote:
I'll probably try tomorrow and see if I can get you guys on the right path again. We'll probably end up lynching me though. Meh. We'll see. We all agree to some extent it is Slam. But why are you so damned sure it's Fidei? This. I don't know how you're scum reading scott and Fidei. hm...I'd really like to know because they both just made really weird posts which is kind of freaking me out.
eh, Superbia sort of explained it before, but it's not really making sense besides the argument that Fidei voted off wagon d1.
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On September 16 2015 22:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:
scott, how do you know geript is the Mafia coach?
That would be a pretty hilarious scum slip if this was true and he was final mafia.
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