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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On September 11 2015 11:51 MoosyDoosy wrote: Or at least someone very low profile and very townie read right now. There's still plenty of opportunity for scum this farm. I think I am learning your meta. Try looking into Superbia, I am still undecided between him and Boxer, over having thought you were scum based on Rayn and your reaction to his death. I think Scott is generally on the right track this game, but check out his filter and see if we haven't made cases using stuff he has done as points. I think we need to re-evaluate how we read people. I will look into CopCake again, but as we are from the same area (yes, Coachella-Thermal-Imperial does in fact = north Mexico... I have also been to Tijuana and plan on visiting Mexicali a LOT soon) I "get" a lot of her cultural outlook shining through. In a lot of ways we make the same mistakes and have similar insights and reactions. This also makes me biased in her favor though XD Especially as she reminds me of someone very dear to me, who has been a jerk to me lately (by accident). So Nonetheless I will see | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
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scott31337
United States2979 Posts
On September 11 2015 11:58 MoosyDoosy wrote: -sigh- I'm going to write up a mini case on CopCake and see if it goes anywhere. Won't bother with quotes because then people just don't read it. I read your case and gave my opinion, so don't just write it off like that. I'm not going to go on each point unless I feel the need or it's on me or something. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On September 11 2015 11:57 MoosyDoosy wrote: Well then I am that EliteBlueHunter indeed. No. VA is a whole different level of acidic and very very much better than we are at mafia. I was mentioning earlier how much I wanted to see him and noobking go at it. Might be a humbling experience for noobking, as VA is a very disgruntled and moody psychologist. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On September 11 2015 12:42 scott31337 wrote: I read your case and gave my opinion, so don't just write it off like that. I'm not going to go on each point unless I feel the need or it's on me or something. o.O didn't even point you out buddy. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
just skimming through, copcake, superbia and boxerfred, if all town, need to step it up. fidei pretty sure you mistook boxerfred for breshke in my last set of reads - I townread Breshke and nulled boxerfred, unless you were referring to my n1 reads. and if my writing style doesn't make sense just ask away. reads (regardless how you do it), and boxerfred, I think you missed my last round of questions. reading through more in depth what I missed. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On September 11 2015 12:51 NocturneMage wrote: night shift over. I'm back. as for rayn flipping vt, holy shit. that is crazy. just skimming through, copcake, superbia and boxerfred, if all town, need to step it up. fidei pretty sure you mistook boxerfred for breshke in my last set of reads - I townread Breshke and nulled boxerfred, unless you were referring to my n1 reads. and if my writing style doesn't make sense just ask away. reads (regardless how you do it), and boxerfred, I think you missed my last round of questions. reading through more in depth what I missed. I ain't steppin' up to nothin' Nocturne already knows what's up | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
Also ##Vote Superbia | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On September 11 2015 11:40 Breshke wrote: I'm almost home so probably. Idc if you call it wifom but cake killing yam and rayn is fairly sub optimal for her wouldn't you think? I saw this. thought about this. yes....and no. the only two people that were really scumreading her all game (aside from n00b I think?) were myself and md. here's the thing, I don't really know her, dunno about md. rayn is someone who from what I understand given his town game (reference my last newbie game, we shot at him n1 and n2) he's going to get shot by ANY mafia team n1 or early on. as for shooting yamato/rayn, there's another angle of it...let's say she is mafia. if anyone could catch her or have the thread pull to lynch her at latter stages of the game, it would be the people that know her best, the people that have some thread pull because of that partially. I mean it's wifom but to some extent I could see it both ways, but admittedly, considering I was pushing her based on how she was giving out her reads and moosy combined tone, arguments and whatnot...I'd say the yamato kill might be suboptimal for her being mafia, and only because he had less thread pull. I think I remember him saying something along the lines of him complaining that no one was listening to him when we were nearing the d1 lynch. rayn is someone that any team should kill as he will re-evaluate reads, just the way he hung back d2/n2 is a good example of that. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
continuing on.... boxerfred......if you are reading this, the main contention with you right now is that you don't have any original content or ideas. we realise you are a bit short on time here, but if you could set your priorities in terms of why YOU think MD/Superbia are mafia, that would help town if you are town. like rayn said earlier your posting earlier was good, but currently town or mafia could just sheep a case and if you are wrong on someone then where do you go from there? | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
your last scumreads were md and breshke (1) what do you think of them now (particularly breshke with his latest posting) (2) let's say we lynch md. or he loses his head and gets modkilled. he flips town. where do you go from there? | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On September 06 2015 06:10 CopCake wrote: For the list so far that has been participating: MoosyDoosy: He has an obsessions with my posts and i don't know why. When I arrived he said "rayn calmed down when cake arrived" which is like ???? he claims it is because rayn got happy in the sign up thread but it kinda looked like he was waiting for me. Since then he hasn't fucked stopped. He claims that my posts are "useless" and I beg to differ. He also says that I have been pocketing people (lol the workd pocketing) which is NOT TRUE because I am like, getting my own info on my own way, if I was POCKETING people I have my own ways and I have been doing a bad job pocketing if people have eyes on me, no? Oh the irony, so yeah you also fucking need to stop people to ASK WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND SHARE WHAT THE FUCK YOU THING BESIDES ME if you are fucking town, i don't know why rayn thinks you are town, effort? that's what people is saying so far but you just checking every step i do with a giant glass is what i don't call effort. When you asked glowing bear about what he thinks your answer was just "mmm" I mean it looks like you REALLY TRIED and CARED for his opinnion, I think you are pretending to put effort but you are actually doing nothing, you are just doing a mimic of what a town looks like. "HEY LOOK AT ME I AM ASKING QUESTIONS HEY EMINEM SONG" and guess what? you stopped to share eminem songs or whatever when i called out your bullshit. n00bKing: I didn't like his entrance nor I liked how he is interacting with rayn. Rayn is pretty town in my opinion and i think it's fucking obvious, he is also closed minded with his "oh but a town shouldn't react the way rayn is doing so" Dude if you are town, you should know rayn is town, i have shared the meta when he is mafia and i guess someone else has done it too, you might have your opinion but the fact rayn is attacking you or someone else doesn't make him mafia, why don't you sit, drink some tea and think in a word in which rayn is town, if he is mistaken prove to ALL OF US why you are TOWN but.... but BUT you have been trying to frame rayn all the fucking way, omg that is absolutely a very townie thing to do. Prove yourself and don't blame anyone of your mistakes. You might say "oh but it is exactly what moose is doing with you", it's different, rayn is looking at other places, moose isn't. CoughingHydra replaced by NocturneMage Day 1: I didn't like him, felt odd and now is replacing, will say neutral but i want to see his replacement. CopCake: Town forever Alakaslam: I know some of you have him as a little scum lean earlier but I think he is town. You might say "oh he is faking his meta" or "he sucks at faking" but from my point of view he would try to blend in and pretend to be town if he was mafia. Like if a strong player has a meta on him, wouldn't he try to be the most possible to look as his town meta? He also doesn't feel agressive or like trying to throw dirt unlike noobking and moose. Fidei86: Uh he is like, he exists but at the same time he doesnt. Little scum lean since i doubt the three mafia are active. scott31337: Town so far. Superbia: The few she has made look pretty town so far, she is trying to solve the game and give her perspective. GlowingBear: I don't like how fucking wishy washy he is with his reads and votes, he is also focusing on useless details. It's like he doesn't care who he is voting for. His also "omg i am town vigilante" looks like yeah dude, doesnt care if he dies because if he aint the vig the vig will vig him and if you were the vig you would shut up so mafia wouldn't attack you, you are pretty much an "i dont care lol" this whole game. But with everything you have caused with your claim you should have at least for now try to be serious but you haven't changed, mafia lean. boxerfred: Don't remember him. yamato77: Domo arigato mr yamato is town, I was mafia with him last game, he sucks as mafia. He would also be epic mia. Breshke: Uhhhh nothing has stood up a lot with me with this person. raynpelikoneet: Town. This prophecy and anyone is still pushing CopCake Explain | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
-_- Ah, it is curse of Alakaslam. We will probably lose Scott soon too. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
He has been super townie and super scummy this game. No reference to naming puns and stuff intended. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
That was really one of her few if not only substantive posts of the game. I personally had issues with her reasonings for some of her reads early game and I have re-considered. Scott made a point that the rest of her filter was sparse and both of us took issue she wasn't answering (this was earlier) some of the questions brought up. Fidei brought something up about her not getting as much town cred and (may have?) suggested soft pushing or bussing was more likely or at least town cred wasn't as likely. For me now it's just an issue of her updating her reads. In any case those are legit questions to ask of her. Her thought process. As for MD even breshke has said he won't change his read (regardless of alignment imo) so it's honestly on her to just carry on and provide the guidance/reads she's capable of. I mean look at her filter she set those standards for herself. Same thing tbf applies to boxer and superbia as I said before. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On September 05 2015 08:39 Superbia wrote: I think he might do this as town though. In addition I will say this. Do not believe GB is the vigi today. Evaluate him like any other. Do not give him a pass whatsoever. This is from D1 after GlowingBears claim. This post is an answer to rayn who hit the truth in his "claiming vig D1 is a great thing to call out a town role, get a blue kill in exchange for the goon." (though rayn couldn't know that GB is the goon at that point. This post is strange in many ways. Superbia thinks GB might do a (serious!) vigi claim at the very beginning of D1. To me, claiming blue D1 is like the stupidest thing you can do if you truely are a blue. How does Superbia come to that conclusion? The bolded part contradicts the initial meaning of the post ("nah guys GB is stupid not scum") however. It's 100% wishywashy. Also, the initial post (the quote in the quote) - why is Superbia disliking rayn for his reaction to GB? He should be disliking GB for the initial blue shenanigans. This post really feels like it's coming from someone who has to hide something. Time for the tinfoil hat: On September 05 2015 07:33 Superbia wrote: Counterclaim. What if that was a serious response to a claim that Superbia thought was real? Also, WHY did GB claim Vigi if he DID know about the setup? This makes me feel really (really!) unsure if there is indeed a doctor in. We have two people D1 (GB, Superbia) that are willing to think that there is a Vigi in. However, GB claimed Doctor and Rayn claimed Doctor. There was NO counterclaim up to this point, keep that in mind guys! We have two setup slips from GB (Vigi, Doc) and we do not know which one is true. Out of this, I extract two scenarios. a) Doctor setup. Superbia's CC to GB was pure bullshit, making him look townie. b) Vigi setup. Superbia's CC to GB was the truth, making him, well, look townie. c) Vigi + Doc claim was absolutely bullshit (which is the unlikeliest to me) I'm kinda surprised that I come to this conclusion. I'll continue with the setup before going back to Superbia: Vigi setup feels the most likely to me TBH. 2/3 goons in scum - that means the chance that GB would flip scum as goon is higher than in any other setup. Also, we have no DOCTOR counter claimed except the rayn yolo, which was risky but great however it was not a Doctor. Basically, ANY rule could've counterclaimed the doctor that is Vigi, Veteran or Jailkeeper. So GB's claim EoD1 could have played out awesome for scum, ESPECIALLY in Setup B (1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 2 Mafia Goons). Mafia would've exchanged a simple goon with a strong town blue, potentially Jailkeeper. I think at this point I have a pretty good theory who another blue role is but I won't tell since I don't want the guy to get killed. Okay, back to Superbia. As I said above - the behaviour from this post is conclusively townie. Maybe my logic is flawed somewhere, somehow, so please test the waters. Another point that makes Superbia look townie D1 is that he instantly jumped on GB's claim - why would a fellow scum member do this given that he'd know GB's plan of outing a blue? It doesn't make sense. On September 06 2015 05:37 Superbia wrote: 1. Look at opening posts. 2. Look at rayn/yamato interaction. 3. GB (fake) claim. 4. Look at rayn/noobking interaction. Following people: - noobking - copcake - slam Comments on them in near future pls. Although noone brings up the claim after all D1, Superbia does so when NM enters the thread. This could be out of "yo maybe NM replaced a blue and GB's trick might work here" (which I don't think tbh - feels way to unrealistic) or is indeed a "look at this and tell me what you think". Genuine. + Show Spoiler + On September 07 2015 03:35 Superbia wrote: I'm here. Haven't read past few pages. Game kinda feels hard. rayn/yamato still very town. Stuck on moosy's alignment. Something feels off compared to previous game filters. Not sure what, still reading. His associative read triggered all sorts of re-evaluations. Stuck on noobking's alignment. His post style feels different from his mafia post style. Planning on reading into his meta after moosy. Feels like moosy may have spewn him town if moosy is mafia. IDK copcake tied into this. Also stuck on her alignment. Don't know about slam/gb. Both seem very much on the sidelines. bf superlurk. Last game he did this he was PR and got lynched d1 for it. To be honest, I think I may have the PRs down to a small circle already (of either mafia or PR) and he's not among them. Need to hear from people who have played with him. So yeah. Still very much in the process of evaluation. Here for questions and talking if people are around. Specifically the 3 above. Very busy tabbing between game filters though. So don't expect a superquick response. First kind of list post from Superbia. While he's not talking about GB in this, he puts a null/scum lean on MoosyDoosy. Which makes me feel like they have different alignments however I'm not too sure if that holds. Putting this in spoilers to not draw attention from the main parts of the post. Here is more interaction from GB which makes Superbia change his read of scott from town. This looks important: On September 07 2015 03:55 Superbia wrote: Why is scott the lynch for you, GB? On September 07 2015 04:04 Superbia wrote: I had scott as town early but re-viewing his filter idk why. GB can you flesh this out? On September 07 2015 04:04 GlowingBear wrote: Yes I can. I'm going to write a case once I get home. And indeed, Superbia brings up GB's case on Scott: At this point of filter diving, I have to say that Superbia's filter is full of oneliners, full of questions that lead to nowhere and don't do a thing. Not liking this at all. Also, he really likes GB's case on scott (this is one of the rare occasions where Superbia actually says his opinion). Here, he says it even multiple times: On September 07 2015 05:53 Superbia wrote: You guys really think GB's case is terrible? On September 07 2015 05:58 Superbia wrote: I think GB's view on scott is pretty okay. On September 07 2015 06:01 Superbia wrote: I'm actually pretty confused this d1. I usually have a direction I want to push the game, but rayn has kind of taken over the role I usually take in a game. Which leaves me stranded. I'm kind of okay with noobking getting lynched at this point and seeing where he flips takes us. Simply because I don't have any strong mafia reads. My gut would say moosy and go from there, but it may very well be wrong. Scum read on Moosy, again (consistent!). However lateron, Slam calls Superbia out on his growing wishy-washyness: On September 07 2015 06:16 Superbia wrote: I don't fucking know at this point man. Gut says it's one between moosy or copcake. One between scott/GB. And maybe someone like you. But it could also easily be someone like noobking in there. But here's the problem, noobking doesn't look like his mafia meta on this site, but the fact that he has played on other sites (and judging from what he's said, played a lot) makes me believe he can probably play mafia in multiple ways. So I don't know about noobking's alignment. He doesn't really seem to want to contribute at all, which doesn't help me at all. Like the problem is that I'm stucking between worlds right now. And this is mostly caused by the fact that both rayn and yamato believe in a world which I don't really believe in right now. Like they both think copcake is town, and they both think scott is town. I think they're both town and decent/good players. This leaves me confused. This is accurate. How big is the chance the scum!superbia would call out both of his team mates in one post (scott/gb vs. moosy/copcake)? This makes me feel he's town. On September 07 2015 06:35 Superbia wrote: I don't know about GB to be honest, but it's sort of mafia to go afk instead of participate in EoD discussion. I kind of liked what he had to say about scott in his case thingy. You guys disagree. You guys know more about GB-meta. I think I'm keeping my vote on noobking, but if we have a vigi I wouldn't be heartbroken about a GB shot so we can get that shit out of the way. This is huge. Again that makes me feel Superbia is town. I am now at his huge list post and will refer to this in a different post for the sake of readability. tl;dr - I actually think Superbia is not a good lynch this day. He appears townie to me after I fully evaluated his filter. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/493411-newbie-student-mafia-xiv-firefly?page=82#1628 I've read through and I can see where he comes from. I strongly suggest a MoosyDoosy lynch at this point. His behaviour last night/day was just shit. He's OMGUS'ing wherever he can. He has been scumread by Superbia and Fidei and Rayn and me. This feels like a good thing to start. I'm running out of time again so I have to do the work on MD later this day (however there are 24+ hours to go so I think I'll manage to do so. no promise though). I'm here for another 30 minutes or so. | ||
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