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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 20 2015 21:51 GMT
#61
##unvote
##Vote ruxx

Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
August 20 2015 21:53 GMT
#62
##unvote
##vote ruXxar
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
August 20 2015 21:54 GMT
#63
Day 1 Votecount

Chezinu (5): geript, JudgeJudy, ObiWanShinobi, WaveofShadow, Lord Tolkien, Tubesock, Fidei86, yamato77
ruXxar (5): Breshke, Half the Sky, Rels, ObiWanShinobi, WaveofShadow, Lord Tolkien, ObiWanShinobi, Lord Tolkien, Damdred, Half the Sky
Tubesock (4): The Shining, Rels, Chezinu, WaveofShadow, Lord Tolkien
Fidei86 (2): ritoky, Tubesock, The Shining, Tictock, Rels
Damdred (2): Fecalfeast, Fecalfeast, ruXxar, Chezinu, Fecalfeast, KelsierSC
ObiWanShinobi (1): ruXxar

Not Voting (2): VayneAuthority, Beneather

Currently, Chezinu is set to be lynched with 5 votes in . Please do not forget to vote. You may vote for yourself, and a vote of "no lynch" is allowed.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/492852-the-new-personality-voting-thread

Please vote in the voting thread if you want your vote to be counted.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
August 20 2015 21:55 GMT
#64
##unvote
##vote ruXxar
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
August 20 2015 21:55 GMT
#65
##Unvote
##Vote ruXxar

Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
August 20 2015 21:56 GMT
#66

##unvote
##vote chezinu
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 20 2015 21:56 GMT
#67
[b]
##unvote
##vote chezinu[/b
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 20 2015 21:56 GMT
#68

##unvote
##vote chezinu
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 20 2015 21:57 GMT
#69

##unvote
##vote Half The Sky
Zerg for Life
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
August 20 2015 21:59 GMT
#70
##unvote
##vote waveofshadow
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
August 20 2015 22:08 GMT
#71
FINAL Day 1 Votecount

ruXxar (7): Breshke, ObiWanShinobi, Lord Tolkien, Damdred, Half the Sky, Chezinu, Rels
Chezinu (5): geript, JudgeJudy, Tubesock, Fidei86, yamato77
Tubesock (2): The Shining, WaveofShadow
Fidei86 (2): ritoky, Tictock
ObiWanShinobi (1): ruXxar
WaveofShadow (1): Fecalfeast
Half the Sky (1): KelsierSC

Not Voting (2): VayneAuthority, Beneather

Ruxxar has been lynched with 7 votes.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 21 2015 00:17 GMT
#72
(Btw remember to also post "Night 1" and "Day 2" here on the voting thread before D2 starts or the game will need to be re-entered!)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
August 21 2015 01:16 GMT
#73
Night 1
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
August 21 2015 17:33 GMT
#74
On August 20 2015 08:20 rsoultin wrote:
Day 1 Votecount

ruXxar (6): Breshke, Half the Sky, Rels, ObiWanShinobi, WaveofShadow, Lord Tolkien
Fidei86 (2): ritoky, Tubesock, The Shining
ritoky (1): geript, Chezinu
Damdred (1): Fecalfeast, Fecalfeast, ruXxar, Chezinu
Fecalfeast (1): Damdred
yamato77 (1): Fecalfeast
Tubesock (1): The Shining

Not Voting (8): Fidei86, yamato77, ruXxar, JudgeJudy, VayneAuthority, Tictock, Beneather, KelsierSC

Currently, ruxxar is set to be lynched with 6 votes in . Please do not forget to vote. You may vote for yourself, and a vote of "no lynch" is allowed.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/492852-the-new-personality-voting-thread

Please vote in the voting thread if you want your vote to be counted.

On August 21 2015 06:54 rsoultin wrote:
Day 1 Votecount

Chezinu (5): geript, JudgeJudy, ObiWanShinobi, WaveofShadow, Lord Tolkien, Tubesock, Fidei86, yamato77
ruXxar (5): Breshke, Half the Sky, Rels, ObiWanShinobi, WaveofShadow, Lord Tolkien, ObiWanShinobi, Lord Tolkien, Damdred, Half the Sky
Tubesock (4): The Shining, Rels, Chezinu, WaveofShadow, Lord Tolkien
Fidei86 (2): ritoky, Tubesock, The Shining, Tictock, Rels
Damdred (2): Fecalfeast, Fecalfeast, ruXxar, Chezinu, Fecalfeast, KelsierSC
ObiWanShinobi (1): ruXxar

Not Voting (2): VayneAuthority, Beneather

Currently, Chezinu is set to be lynched with 5 votes in . Please do not forget to vote. You may vote for yourself, and a vote of "no lynch" is allowed.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/492852-the-new-personality-voting-thread

Please vote in the voting thread if you want your vote to be counted.

On August 21 2015 07:08 rsoultin wrote:
FINAL Day 1 Votecount

ruXxar (7): Breshke, ObiWanShinobi, Lord Tolkien, Damdred, Half the Sky, Chezinu, Rels
Chezinu (5): geript, JudgeJudy, Tubesock, Fidei86, yamato77
Tubesock (2): The Shining, WaveofShadow
Fidei86 (2): ritoky, Tictock
ObiWanShinobi (1): ruXxar
WaveofShadow (1): Fecalfeast
Half the Sky (1): KelsierSC

Not Voting (2): VayneAuthority, Beneather

Ruxxar has been lynched with 7 votes.

So a few interesting things from the voting patterns on D1.
The initial Ruxxar push was comprised of: Breshke, HtS, Rels, OWS, Wave and LT. When you look at where the votes moved, however, HTS, Rels and Wave ended up moving over to Tubesock before switching back. Whereas LT moved to Chez before moving back. Unfortunately, I dont' think this says anything about LT's alignment. I kinda think Wave is town; if he's not I'm just going to policy lynch him from now on whenever I think he's town. But the series of switches makes me think there's at most 1 mafia between Rels and HTS. The voting together early on, switching together and ending together makes it highly unlikely that both are mafia. So if one of those two flips mafia, the other should be considered confirmed town period. Of those two, I think Rels is pretty obviously mafia for a few reasons.
1.
On August 19 2015 18:30 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2015 18:26 ritoky wrote:
While awoken by a screaming baby at 2:30 am, I felt the compulsion to refresh everyone on what they should be doing right now. There is nothing in the thread more compelling than this, anyone not voting for fidei should explain why who they are voting for has a greater than 30% chance of being mafia; and why fidei isn't mafia when clearly RNG has shown such.

On August 19 2015 10:18 ritoky wrote:
We should lynch Fidei

After reviewing the game, I have arrived at the same place. Fidei is the best candidate for lynch both objectively and subjectively.

The Objective Case:

RNG has selected fidei, he is mafia. If you need an explanation of how he was selected please reference my filter. Outside of that RNG is PARTICULARLY suited for this game. This is a closed setup, and historically in closed setups there is an incredibly strong likelihood that there are more anti-town players than are normally in an open setup. So with that alone our probability of hitting mafia from RNG has already increased by a significant margin. However, there is more. We are playing a game in which people are attempting to act like other people and mask their own play as someone else's. This means that day 1 reads and particularly day 1 meta reads have a diminished rate of accuracy. Meaning RNG is the optimal line of play. A situation with increased odds of hitting mafia and diminished validity of meta reads clearly points to RNG being the objective best line of play.

The Subjective Case:

Outside of RNG declaring fidei mafia, he is actually mafia. Consider his posting thus far:

On August 19 2015 08:33 Fidei86 wrote:
Ritoky, I can't get a read on you and usually we soul read each other. I think that basically means you're confirmed mafia, because if I can't read you then it means you're mafia, and usually we can tell each other's read a scarily uncanny amount of the time. Also, pushing scum doesn't make me mafia, it makes me town. Come on people.

[serious]This game started while I was out with friends, and am currently quite toasty. Will read tomorrow and revert.[/serious]


There are 3 aspects to this post that I would like to highlight:

1) The most classic mafia play ever: "Notice me senpai -> excuse about activity". His final sentence has no point other than to say hi I am here and fade away.

2) He is drunk or at least partially. This is important because drunk people are more prone to letting slip things or not being careful with their wording. Will be revisited later.

3) His immediate entrance response into the thread is to seek out me and essentially claim a personality to me in a very half-assed manner. First and foremost there is not point to this because he knows who I am and once RNG has declared him mafia, appeals to emotion are pointless only hard logic can deter me. Secondly, it may be coincidence but singling out the only person calling him mafia and appealing to them directly reads as an over-response to pressure. And finally the half-assed imitation. This will require some explanation.

I think people who are committing heavily to trying to act the part of the player they got rolled into and are sticking to it for a decent portion of time are very likely to be town. I feel that it is a risky play to play in a manner unlike yourself and in one that could potentially draw lynch attention to you for not playing "serious". Mafia are averse to both risk and lynch pressure on day 1, and thus would be less apt to fully commit to acting the part of someone else. I do not necessarily read legitimate frustration with the game type or completely ignoring who you rolled as scum though, I don't think the converse works. However, the half-ass attempts read as scum to me because it seems as if it is a mere "LOL"/attention grab for a few moments for them or a tool to further their agenda. This is the area fidei falls into in my mind.

Continuing on, and credit to Tubesock on the find here:

On August 19 2015 08:51 Fidei86 wrote:
The person who has Chezinu should be pretty obvious, and they haven't revealed themselves yet.


On August 19 2015 09:00 Fidei86 wrote:
The only Chezinu I have been exposed to is the Onegu version of Chezinu. No hate because I haven't seen the true Chezuinu in action.


On August 19 2015 09:09 Tubesock wrote:
On August 19 2015 09:00 Fidei86 wrote:
The only Chezinu I have been exposed to is the Onegu version of Chezinu. No hate because I haven't seen the true Chezuinu in action.


Then what was the purpose of your Chezinu is obvious and no one's outed yet post?

Seems to many in the thread that Damdred is obviously Chezinu...


This goes hand in hand with point #2 from above, that fidei is drunk. He made an obvious error that speaks for itself. I can elaborate further, but I feel these consecutive quotes are very self explanatory. Not only did tubesock find it important but so did others:

On August 19 2015 09:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 19 2015 09:09 Tubesock wrote:
On August 19 2015 09:00 Fidei86 wrote:
The only Chezinu I have been exposed to is the Onegu version of Chezinu. No hate because I haven't seen the true Chezuinu in action.


Then what was the purpose of your Chezinu is obvious and no one's outed yet post?

Seems to many in the thread that Damdred is obviously Chezinu...


super important question


On August 19 2015 09:12 ruXxar wrote:
On August 19 2015 09:09 Tubesock wrote:
On August 19 2015 09:00 Fidei86 wrote:
The only Chezinu I have been exposed to is the Onegu version of Chezinu. No hate because I haven't seen the true Chezuinu in action.


Then what was the purpose of your Chezinu is obvious and no one's outed yet post?

Seems to many in the thread that Damdred is obviously Chezinu...


^


And what was fidei's response to this important question?

On August 19 2015 09:18 Fidei86 wrote:
Assuming at some point that that will stop and this will revert to a regular mafia game?


Ignoring it and complaining. I hate to break it to you, but this is a regular mafia game already, and this is a real accusation; and you really are mafia.

Fidei is objectively and subjectively the best lynch in the game, anyone not voting for him is taking a sub-optimal line of play and is bad.


Back to bed. The truth is like a warm glass of milk.

RNG part is stupid. You RNG formula is not public.

The other part is good though. ruxxar asking tons of questions and doing nothing is scummier I think. Would be happy with the both of them.

Rels has played with Ruxxar before in a student game. He was able to get a decent townread on him. Part of the reasoning for said town read was Rels was asking "good" questions and lots of them. This post by rels seems exceptionally off of how Rels has previously red ruxxar.
2. New mafia tend to ask more questions to appear active. When you look at Rel's newbie game, he was reasonably active and aggressive. What you see in this game is far more commenting on the game and being an asshole. There's not pressuring anyone. There's not flat out giving reads and posting thoughts.
3. How he's posting is drastically different. Not only is his activity significantly lower ( barely 3 pages as compared to most of 5). His posts in general are significantly shorter. He's not including a quote in almost every post he makes. How he's playing is drastically different.
4. Rayn said so. Rayn's a good player and can recognize scum quite well. Usually when he and I agree on someone, they tend to be mafia.

So if there's a vigilante, Rels should the the shot far and away.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
August 21 2015 21:21 GMT
#75
Day 2
Try TL Mafia!!!
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
August 21 2015 22:20 GMT
#76
##vote: fecalfeast
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Bill Murray
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United States9292 Posts
August 21 2015 22:36 GMT
#77
##Vote FecalFeast
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
August 21 2015 22:43 GMT
#78
##vote: fecalfeast
I can take that responsibility.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 21 2015 22:46 GMT
#79
##vote: Rels
Zerg for Life
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
August 21 2015 23:26 GMT
#80
##vote rels
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