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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 26 2015 16:48 GMT
#674
On August 27 2015 01:46 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2015 01:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
On August 27 2015 01:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 27 2015 01:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
On August 27 2015 01:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 27 2015 01:04 Vivax wrote:
On August 27 2015 00:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 27 2015 00:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Catching up.
Frigging euro dominated game

##unvote
Should have just said marv/Palmar dominated game.
Which is fine I suppose since they're both extremely likely to be town at this point.


On what basis?

On the basis that they took over the thread entirely.
Unless they are BOTH scum and are playing beyond both of their usual abilities which to me frankly seems near impossible, it's extremely unlikely based on their interactions that one of them is scum and the other isn't.

What about their interactions makes it unlikely that one is scum and the other isn't? Because from the looks of it to me it could be either both town or one/one...I agree that mafia/mafia makes no sense in any world.

Because they can both read each other extremely well and due to the amount of back-and-forth they have already had, it's likely that one would have found something about the other strange already.

It's EXACTLY the amount of back and forth that I find disconcerting. Like, they have back and forth every game but it's a LOT in this game and they IMMEDIATELY townread one another (at least it looks that way to me.) In my experience that's a result of one of them being mafia and trying hard to get the other to townread them, saying all the right things, etc. Both Palmar AND Marv are capable of fooling the other, it just takes effort that generally neither of them are willing to put in. Who's to say they aren't willing to put it in this game?

I only mention it because it looks like you're building town/town marv/Palmar as the foundation of your thought process this game and I'm getting bad feels from Palmar.

red: please show where i did this

green: please provide one instance of this happening, because as far as i'm aware this is never how it works and you're making things up

He is wrong. But the general idea is good. You have absolutely fooled Palmar before and even if you are both town it is extremely lazy and bad to use this as a foundation for reads on other people.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 26 2015 16:50 GMT
#679
On August 27 2015 01:49 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2015 01:48 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 27 2015 01:46 marvellosity wrote:
On August 27 2015 01:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
On August 27 2015 01:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 27 2015 01:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
On August 27 2015 01:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 27 2015 01:04 Vivax wrote:
On August 27 2015 00:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 27 2015 00:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Catching up.
Frigging euro dominated game

##unvote
Should have just said marv/Palmar dominated game.
Which is fine I suppose since they're both extremely likely to be town at this point.


On what basis?

On the basis that they took over the thread entirely.
Unless they are BOTH scum and are playing beyond both of their usual abilities which to me frankly seems near impossible, it's extremely unlikely based on their interactions that one of them is scum and the other isn't.

What about their interactions makes it unlikely that one is scum and the other isn't? Because from the looks of it to me it could be either both town or one/one...I agree that mafia/mafia makes no sense in any world.

Because they can both read each other extremely well and due to the amount of back-and-forth they have already had, it's likely that one would have found something about the other strange already.

It's EXACTLY the amount of back and forth that I find disconcerting. Like, they have back and forth every game but it's a LOT in this game and they IMMEDIATELY townread one another (at least it looks that way to me.) In my experience that's a result of one of them being mafia and trying hard to get the other to townread them, saying all the right things, etc. Both Palmar AND Marv are capable of fooling the other, it just takes effort that generally neither of them are willing to put in. Who's to say they aren't willing to put it in this game?

I only mention it because it looks like you're building town/town marv/Palmar as the foundation of your thought process this game and I'm getting bad feels from Palmar.

red: please show where i did this

green: please provide one instance of this happening, because as far as i'm aware this is never how it works and you're making things up

He is wrong. But the general idea is good. You have absolutely fooled Palmar before and even if you are both town it is extremely lazy and bad to use this as a foundation for reads on other people.

yes, I have fooled Palmar for a while before (usually a cycle or two) but never, ever as a result of me saying things to Palmar that he wants to hear.

And the distinction is important, because VE is talking about Palmar-marv interactions in particular.

Hence why I said he is wrong.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 26 2015 16:59 GMT
#692
On August 27 2015 01:56 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2015 01:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On August 27 2015 01:38 rsoultin wrote:
Message to a non-jatty jat:

When do you plan on showing up to this game?

-your not-so-friendly neighborhood raoul

rsoul, do you think Palmar could have read marv based on "heya" and "this is delightful"?

If you say yes, then that means Trfel's question was valid.

If you say no, then that means Trfel's question was weird and we need to take action on it.


i know that truffle's question did not raise red flags with me, which generally means that the context

(and y'all are taking this out of context lovelies)

makes the question make sense. when i review it i fully expect to find someone else scumreading marv (wave/ve?) and him saying well i want to wait and see what palmar thinks

in that context which as i said since no red flags when i read it, i completely expect to find, there is not a damn thing weird about this supposed "question" and jat pinging him out on it is puke-worthy

it's possible i misread. doubt it

There is literally 0 reason for rfel to say that at this point. It is pure filler. You pinging me out for this is puke-worthy.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 26 2015 17:03 GMT
#706
On August 27 2015 02:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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On August 27 2015 01:58 Palmar wrote:
On August 27 2015 01:34 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On August 27 2015 01:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't really have much to say about that specifically.
Palmar and marv have a super special bromance together that I can't explain accurately in any real detail. The way it seems to me is that Palmar tosses out reads super early just 'cause, some of which may be accurate and some of which might not be but he sticks with them and forces them if necessary, and re-evaluates in secret. In the scumgame where he caught me even though he forced his read on me all game he was actually constantly re-evaluating based on what was going on in game as was evidenced by his posting.

For a read on marv if I had to guess it's easier to assume he's town (even based on very little/nothing) and take it back later on if he just so happens to be wrong, but all of the posting they have done has in all likelihood shown that he is right.

As for how this relates to Trfel/rsoul.....dunno.

So you think Palmar could have read marv based on "heya" and "this is delightful"?

If you say yes, then that means Trfel's question was valid.

If you say no, then that means Trfel's question was weird and we need to take action on it.

To be perfectly honest, the townread on marv is in large based on his "this is delightful" post, because I was also enjoying that conversation a lot.

Huh. Then that does make Trfel's question relevant in that context.

No, it really doesn't. Because Trfel did not know this.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 26 2015 17:05 GMT
#708
On August 27 2015 02:03 Palmar wrote:
jat say "trfel is confirmed town" and maybe I'll back off.

No, you won't and I am sick of your trolling. Go do something useful. So far you only tunneled on a townie and acted like a total asshole about it.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 26 2015 17:07 GMT
#713
On August 27 2015 02:03 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2015 01:59 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 27 2015 01:56 rsoultin wrote:
On August 27 2015 01:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On August 27 2015 01:38 rsoultin wrote:
Message to a non-jatty jat:

When do you plan on showing up to this game?

-your not-so-friendly neighborhood raoul

rsoul, do you think Palmar could have read marv based on "heya" and "this is delightful"?

If you say yes, then that means Trfel's question was valid.

If you say no, then that means Trfel's question was weird and we need to take action on it.


i know that truffle's question did not raise red flags with me, which generally means that the context

(and y'all are taking this out of context lovelies)

makes the question make sense. when i review it i fully expect to find someone else scumreading marv (wave/ve?) and him saying well i want to wait and see what palmar thinks

in that context which as i said since no red flags when i read it, i completely expect to find, there is not a damn thing weird about this supposed "question" and jat pinging him out on it is puke-worthy

it's possible i misread. doubt it

There is literally 0 reason for rfel to say that at this point. It is pure filler. You pinging me out for this is puke-worthy.


prove it ^^

How am I supposed to prove that to you? It is on YOU to prove that what he said makes sense and why. It is a completely unwarranted comment.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 26 2015 17:09 GMT
#717
On August 27 2015 02:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2015 02:03 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On August 27 2015 01:58 Palmar wrote:
On August 27 2015 01:34 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On August 27 2015 01:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't really have much to say about that specifically.
Palmar and marv have a super special bromance together that I can't explain accurately in any real detail. The way it seems to me is that Palmar tosses out reads super early just 'cause, some of which may be accurate and some of which might not be but he sticks with them and forces them if necessary, and re-evaluates in secret. In the scumgame where he caught me even though he forced his read on me all game he was actually constantly re-evaluating based on what was going on in game as was evidenced by his posting.

For a read on marv if I had to guess it's easier to assume he's town (even based on very little/nothing) and take it back later on if he just so happens to be wrong, but all of the posting they have done has in all likelihood shown that he is right.

As for how this relates to Trfel/rsoul.....dunno.

So you think Palmar could have read marv based on "heya" and "this is delightful"?

If you say yes, then that means Trfel's question was valid.

If you say no, then that means Trfel's question was weird and we need to take action on it.

To be perfectly honest, the townread on marv is in large based on his "this is delightful" post, because I was also enjoying that conversation a lot.

Huh. Then that does make Trfel's question relevant in that context.

No, it really doesn't. Because Trfel did not know this.

Yes it does. Because it means that Trfel probs knew about the Palmarv bromance and felt that Palmar could have read marv based on those two posts. Either way, I'm getting tired of you just throwing things at everyone's posts with no purpose behind it. eh, I'll just sheep wave/rsoul.

##vote justanothertownie

No, it does not mean that at all.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 26 2015 17:10 GMT
#722
On August 27 2015 02:09 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2015 02:05 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:03 Palmar wrote:
jat say "trfel is confirmed town" and maybe I'll back off.

No, you won't and I am sick of your trolling. Go do something useful. So far you only tunneled on a townie and acted like a total asshole about it.

Hi mafia.

I am not trolling. I am not being an asshole.

I have also done fuckton else. I have an entire array of people I'm townreading!

Yes, you are. There is no way you can seriously consider Trfel confirmed town. There is no way you would back off me for calling Trfel confirmed town. The only intention you have is making me mad.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 26 2015 17:18 GMT
#732
Well, I am leaving now. It is wednesday and wednesday night is pubquiz time. Maybe I will return for a short while later, maybe I won't. Can make any promises about tomorrows activity since it is my birthday.

When I return I will flat out ignore any further bullshit brought up against me unless I think it is alignment indicative.

Currently I would look for scum between WoS, Trfel, Moosy and possibly CC between the people that have posted a little.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 26 2015 17:19 GMT
#733
On August 27 2015 02:15 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2015 02:10 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:09 Palmar wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:05 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:03 Palmar wrote:
jat say "trfel is confirmed town" and maybe I'll back off.

No, you won't and I am sick of your trolling. Go do something useful. So far you only tunneled on a townie and acted like a total asshole about it.

Hi mafia.

I am not trolling. I am not being an asshole.

I have also done fuckton else. I have an entire array of people I'm townreading!

Yes, you are. There is no way you can seriously consider Trfel confirmed town. There is no way you would back off me for calling Trfel confirmed town. The only intention you have is making me mad.


what you are doing is throwing a tantrum. i am even willing to remove my vote if that will allow you to be less tantrum-y, but throwing a tantrum and saying people are bad does not make you town

your trfel push is shit

do something that isn't. that's what i'm looking for. i've yet to see it

Your push on me is shit. My Trfel point is still one of the best ones that have been brought up this game. But we already established that you are having a bad game if you are town and ftr I still kinda think you are.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 26 2015 17:22 GMT
#740
On August 27 2015 02:19 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2015 02:19 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:15 rsoultin wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:10 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:09 Palmar wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:05 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:03 Palmar wrote:
jat say "trfel is confirmed town" and maybe I'll back off.

No, you won't and I am sick of your trolling. Go do something useful. So far you only tunneled on a townie and acted like a total asshole about it.

Hi mafia.

I am not trolling. I am not being an asshole.

I have also done fuckton else. I have an entire array of people I'm townreading!

Yes, you are. There is no way you can seriously consider Trfel confirmed town. There is no way you would back off me for calling Trfel confirmed town. The only intention you have is making me mad.


what you are doing is throwing a tantrum. i am even willing to remove my vote if that will allow you to be less tantrum-y, but throwing a tantrum and saying people are bad does not make you town

your trfel push is shit

do something that isn't. that's what i'm looking for. i've yet to see it

Your push on me is shit. My Trfel point is still one of the best ones that have been brought up this game. But we already established that you are having a bad game if you are town and ftr I still kinda think you are.


it's shit. i debunked it. move on

reasons

You haven't debunked anything and no, I won't give you any reasons. You will have to find something to talk about that's not me. Suck it. I am off.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 26 2015 17:23 GMT
#742
On August 27 2015 02:22 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2015 02:18 justanothertownie wrote:
Well, I am leaving now. It is wednesday and wednesday night is pubquiz time. Maybe I will return for a short while later, maybe I won't. Can make any promises about tomorrows activity since it is my birthday.

When I return I will flat out ignore any further bullshit brought up against me unless I think it is alignment indicative.

Currently I would look for scum between WoS, Trfel, Moosy and possibly CC between the people that have posted a little.

Explain exactly why you think CC is mafia.

He is a little too correct I think. Very very clean posts.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 26 2015 21:49 GMT
#816
On August 27 2015 02:25 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2015 02:24 rsoultin wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:22 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:19 rsoultin wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:19 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:15 rsoultin wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:10 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:09 Palmar wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:05 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:03 Palmar wrote:
jat say "trfel is confirmed town" and maybe I'll back off.

No, you won't and I am sick of your trolling. Go do something useful. So far you only tunneled on a townie and acted like a total asshole about it.

Hi mafia.

I am not trolling. I am not being an asshole.

I have also done fuckton else. I have an entire array of people I'm townreading!

Yes, you are. There is no way you can seriously consider Trfel confirmed town. There is no way you would back off me for calling Trfel confirmed town. The only intention you have is making me mad.


what you are doing is throwing a tantrum. i am even willing to remove my vote if that will allow you to be less tantrum-y, but throwing a tantrum and saying people are bad does not make you town

your trfel push is shit

do something that isn't. that's what i'm looking for. i've yet to see it

Your push on me is shit. My Trfel point is still one of the best ones that have been brought up this game. But we already established that you are having a bad game if you are town and ftr I still kinda think you are.


it's shit. i debunked it. move on

reasons

You haven't debunked anything and no, I won't give you any reasons. You will have to find something to talk about that's not me. Suck it. I am off.


you fail to understand why i'm scumreading you and you also fail to note that i've been talking about plenty of things not you ^^ this looks more like a dodge to me than anything else

enjoy your bday


can i get like a summary of what else you said.

not that I don't love reading all your posts but...it's easier if it just one place

The summary is the following: Rsoultin does not think I am "jatty" enough. Evidently she hasn't even the slightest idea of what jatty is.

And wow you guys produced like 2 pages since I left. I bet I will se an incredible amount of scumhunting upon reading this.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 26 2015 21:52 GMT
#818
On August 27 2015 06:50 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2015 06:49 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:25 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:24 rsoultin wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:22 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:19 rsoultin wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:19 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:15 rsoultin wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:10 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:09 Palmar wrote:
[quote]
Hi mafia.

I am not trolling. I am not being an asshole.

I have also done fuckton else. I have an entire array of people I'm townreading!

Yes, you are. There is no way you can seriously consider Trfel confirmed town. There is no way you would back off me for calling Trfel confirmed town. The only intention you have is making me mad.


what you are doing is throwing a tantrum. i am even willing to remove my vote if that will allow you to be less tantrum-y, but throwing a tantrum and saying people are bad does not make you town

your trfel push is shit

do something that isn't. that's what i'm looking for. i've yet to see it

Your push on me is shit. My Trfel point is still one of the best ones that have been brought up this game. But we already established that you are having a bad game if you are town and ftr I still kinda think you are.


it's shit. i debunked it. move on

reasons

You haven't debunked anything and no, I won't give you any reasons. You will have to find something to talk about that's not me. Suck it. I am off.


you fail to understand why i'm scumreading you and you also fail to note that i've been talking about plenty of things not you ^^ this looks more like a dodge to me than anything else

enjoy your bday


can i get like a summary of what else you said.

not that I don't love reading all your posts but...it's easier if it just one place

The summary is the following: Rsoultin does not think I am "jatty" enough. Evidently she hasn't even the slightest idea of what jatty is.

And wow you guys produced like 2 pages since I left. I bet I will se an incredible amount of scumhunting upon reading this.


blame wine

It's ok. I will exclude everyone that is legitimally drunk. Like myself.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 26 2015 21:58 GMT
#822
On August 27 2015 06:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JAT I need your top scumread. I could lynch you because I think you are being objectively scummy by sulking that Palmar is being a meanie pants. So if you're town please brush yourself off and behind anew like a phoenix rising from it's ashes. Produce all that content that others are not providing.

Haha, you are a funny one. Weren't you the guy harddefending me earlier? And now you want to lynch me for being "objectively scummy" even though I wasn't even in the thread since then? It's midnight, I am drunk and I have to get up early tomorrow. If you think I will put any serious effort in right now you are delusional.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 26 2015 22:05 GMT
#823
On August 27 2015 04:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2015 00:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 27 2015 00:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Catching up.
Frigging euro dominated game

##unvote
Should have just said marv/Palmar dominated game.
Which is fine I suppose since they're both extremely likely to be town at this point.

Let's see.
Welcome back CC.
First thoughts are that he's town because I remember him posting similarly to this in a couple of towngames we played together, that being said there is ONE old-as-hell scumgame of his I want to look back at (where he ragequit eventually 'cause his team was shitty or something?) because what someone (marv?) said about him being more coherent as scum could be true but I truly don't remember. 2-year-old meta meh anyway but I have re-embraced the use of meta recently to decent effect so we'll see. Tentative townread for the moment.

Rsoul extremely likely to be town from interactions.

Scummiest people stand out to me as JAT because the last time I remember Palmar going like this on anyone, it was on me when I was scum when nobody else ever catches me.
Moosy because pocketing efforts when I am the only one in this game he knows to be 'good.'
I say 'good' because I have been SUPER on point in the last whole bunch of games I've played (as both alignments for once) and Moosy correctly realizes that I could be a threat based on that.

Which brings me to
On August 26 2015 23:14 marvellosity wrote:
On August 26 2015 23:13 Palmar wrote:
Wave is a shitty has-been player anyway

can't be a has-been if you're a never-was

^ wow, what a bitch

Fucking brutal guys.
Is all of that really necessary?

I actually have gained some confidence in my play for once and I refuse to let it be crushed by the likes of you. Unfortunately the fact that I'm not here means if either of the aforementioned are scum I won't have contributed at all to their lynches which is super bleh.

##vote: JAT


This post makes Wave scum. Specifically, the text in bold. Wave comes back to the thread to see the popular scum-candidate JAT sitting on a wagon driven by Palmar. His read takes no consideration for JAT's actions this game. In fact, he says he respects Palmar's play enough on day 1 to sheep him without regard.

Wave claims that he has gained some confidence in his play. If wave truly has gained confidence in his play (I.E. reads), then why is he letting Palmar, who may very well be mafia or just plain wrong about JAT, decide the lynch for him? Wave is blindly assuming that Palmar is town and correct without A) Assessing the lynch candidates motivations / actions and B) Looking at Palmar's push in and of itself. He doesn't even quote a post by Palmar and agree with the reasons.

##Vote: Wave

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On August 27 2015 01:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 27 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, Wave is voting me because Palmar caught HIM as mafia in the past. Makes a huge post and talks about everything but me except for this statement. This might be the first mafia joining the push.

You're sweet.
I'm way better at scum than to blindly sheep.

I've only ever been officially caught ONCE as scum and it was by Palmar, therefore I afford him a measure of respect on his D1 bullshit, enough to sheep him on what appears to be a fairly decent read.


JAT hits the nail on the head here. Wave's defense against this is basically "I'm better than this", which I find lazy. Regardless, Wave still fails to situate why he thinks Palmar's case is good.

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On August 27 2015 01:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't really have much to say about that specifically.
Palmar and marv have a super special bromance together that I can't explain accurately in any real detail. The way it seems to me is that Palmar tosses out reads super early just 'cause, some of which may be accurate and some of which might not be but he sticks with them and forces them if necessary, and re-evaluates in secret. In the scumgame where he caught me even though he forced his read on me all game he was actually constantly re-evaluating based on what was going on in game as was evidenced by his posting.

For a read on marv if I had to guess it's easier to assume he's town (even based on very little/nothing) and take it back later on if he just so happens to be wrong, but all of the posting they have done has in all likelihood shown that he is right.

As for how this relates to Trfel/rsoul.....dunno.


When Wave extrapolates upon how Palmar plays, he admits that Palmar's early reads are 'just 'cause' and may/may not be accurate.

How can Wave seriously think JAT is his top scumread / top vote for the day if he: 1) Has not evaluated JAT's actions, or explained why Palmar's case is good 2) Knows that Palmar's early reads are often 'just cause' 3) Is not sure of Palmar's alignment? It makes no sense to me. Palmar may have caught Wave as scum day 1 in another game and he respects him, but this course of action is scummy regardless of how you package it. It's incredibly convenient if JAT flips town, and then Wave can take no responsibility for the lynch.

All I want you to answer @WaveofShadow:

Why is Palmar's case good. Not Rsoultin's, or anyone else's, but Palmar's case. What does Palmar say that is convincing and makes the case against JAT generate a "fairly decent read"?

This post and the following ones are very good. I don't even think that it makes CC town because from my limited experience with him he is not an incredibly good town player (no offense man) but it's all absolutely true.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 26 2015 22:09 GMT
#824
On August 27 2015 02:55 rsoultin wrote:
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On August 27 2015 02:52 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:50 rsoultin wrote:
meh so like

the semi-townie thing on jat i dunnae actually was townie tbh

he's kind of a bully when he's caught as scum, in that he just flails around, and i'm not seeing anything particularly brilliant to make me think he's actually town here. did anyone else see something that would counter that impression?

ftr, what i expect from a jat is essentially

agreement sometimes with no elaboration, sometimes with an extra point that introduces a new perspective
or
disagreement and why that's fairly well-reasoned

instead i see a lot of flailing and a refusal to admit that his push on truffle isn't good or an attempt to revisit that section and see if he was wrong/prove that i'm wrong about the context of truffle's comment


basically for JAT, i saw the point he made about trefl, it wasn't a great point and i offered an explanation for it, but i don't think his rebuttal was too bad, then you gave another explanation for it and palmar went off on him. point is we have multiple explanations and trefl hasn't even come back to give the actual explanation so it's hard to make a read off it.
I was expecting JAT to come back and give reads on the game but it's been as you said, more of a tantrum than anything else.
the only interesting area was about wave I think and I think his reentry to the game has been a bit awkward
then moosy who I scumread decides to vote JAT despite being null on him, but i'm not sure if he is just incompetent town rather than scum.


ye i just don't see that point in context at all. out-of-context, sure. and to tout it as the "best point in the thread" this late in the game is at best deluded, imo

ye, i'll admit, i was curious about who he was scumreading for jumping on his wagon but in the end i don't know how alignment indicative it is and i'm really curious about his CC read cause it's either really awful or actually somewhat townie lol >< but he hasn't clarified what he meant so i can't say one way or the other

If you do not understand my post about CC then I am questioning that you have a functional brain.
On August 27 2015 02:50 rsoultin wrote:
meh so like

the semi-townie thing on jat i dunnae actually was townie tbh

he's kind of a bully when he's caught as scum, in that he just flails around, and i'm not seeing anything particularly brilliant to make me think he's actually town here. did anyone else see something that would counter that impression?

ftr, what i expect from a jat is essentially

agreement sometimes with no elaboration, sometimes with an extra point that introduces a new perspective
or
disagreement and why that's fairly well-reasoned

instead i see a lot of flailing and a refusal to admit that his push on truffle isn't good or an attempt to revisit that section and see if he was wrong/prove that i'm wrong about the context of truffle's comment

The push on Trfel IS good and even if it wasn't that would never make me scum. The rest is a result of people tunneling me for retarded reasons. I will always get annoyed by this and react the same way regardless of my alignment which is why it is an incredibly stupid thing to do in the first place. Shame on you.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 26 2015 22:18 GMT
#829
On August 27 2015 07:15 rsoultin wrote:
^ obvious

now

do something jat

**** you. You go do something. Of course that's the obvious thing Trfel would say but that still is NO reason to say it in the first place.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 26 2015 22:19 GMT
#830
On August 27 2015 07:16 rsoultin wrote:
also explain

constructed posts as "too clean"?

No. Too clean basically means "too correct"/"too reasonable".
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 26 2015 22:21 GMT
#833
On August 27 2015 07:20 rsoultin wrote:
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On August 27 2015 07:19 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 27 2015 07:16 rsoultin wrote:
also explain

constructed posts as "too clean"?

No. Too clean basically means "too correct"/"too reasonable".


too correct in what way?

Are you really this stupid or are you playing it?
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