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Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
August 26 2015 13:24 GMT
#361
On August 26 2015 22:22 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2015 22:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I didn't actually read why palmar townread rsoultin I just saw that he said "Rsoultin is 2% mafia" and agreed :p

so getting a pretty decent townread from you is as easy as calling someone town that you think is town??


At the beginning of the game, yes. He gave a read I agreed with, and therefore I assumed he was town making the same assumption on Rsoultin.

On August 26 2015 22:22 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2015 22:18 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:16 marvellosity wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:13 marvellosity wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:11 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Methinks the JAT is town.

why


Jat is town because he didn't just fall over to Palmar's pressure. He defended his position on the Trfel read and called it the most relevant thing in the thread.

jat is one of the absolute best defenders/arguers as mafia there is on the forum


And this means I should be paranoid about him acting towny under Palmar's pressure? I find it more likely that JAT is just town. There are a lot of faces that I know are considered to play well, but I'd rather just lynch objectively and put he paranoia aside. If I lose to somebody playing well, I'm OK with that.


no it means the reason for your townread is bad, and if the reason for your townread is bad and there are reasons to think he's mafia you shouldn't be an rsoul and wait until the night before lylo to go oh shit i'm a numbnuts and now the guy who always wants to lynch me in lylo has to be convinced i'm just a numbnuts and not mafia and we should lynch the guy i was derping on @.@

tldr

is that the best you've got to think jat is town?


Pretty much. I just liked how he defended his position.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 26 2015 13:25 GMT
#362
On August 26 2015 22:24 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2015 22:20 marvellosity wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:16 rsoultin wrote:
kinda like cheesecake even though i don't necessarily agree with his reasoning lol...intelligent life

i don't, i think most of the reasoning is kinda superficial or wrong (VE stuff)

in addition he likes Palmar as town for liking rsoultin for different reasons than Mr CC liked rsoultin for town. I don't see at all how agreeing on a mutual townread makes someone else town, and even less so when the reasons are different.

Palmar's given reasons were the WoS/VE commentary and more specifically the jat "catch", not mentioned at all by CC

personally i am more suspicious of people who townread people for different reasons than i do (for a kinda related example, see how i questioned palmar on rsoultin even though i was somewhat on the townside for rsoultin at the time)


tis fair

the moosy read is mostly why i liked it cause it was an awful reason (that i happen to agree with for awful reasons) but he knew it was and was like fuck it, i think this shit anyway

in general...i don't necessarily agree with his reasoning or his reads, but the moosy one makes me think town and the willingness to dive right in is tonally more townie as well

i'm not really married to this read, though lol it was just my gut reaction

it's not awful, it's one that Palmar already gave and I'm sure various people already thought.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
August 26 2015 13:25 GMT
#363
On August 26 2015 22:23 marvellosity wrote:
for the uninitiated, Mr CC is kinda known for being much more coherent and together as mafia than he is as town


The fact that you remember this is awesome. Although my sig kinda gives it away.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
August 26 2015 13:26 GMT
#364
On August 26 2015 22:25 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2015 22:24 rsoultin wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:20 marvellosity wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:16 rsoultin wrote:
kinda like cheesecake even though i don't necessarily agree with his reasoning lol...intelligent life

i don't, i think most of the reasoning is kinda superficial or wrong (VE stuff)

in addition he likes Palmar as town for liking rsoultin for different reasons than Mr CC liked rsoultin for town. I don't see at all how agreeing on a mutual townread makes someone else town, and even less so when the reasons are different.

Palmar's given reasons were the WoS/VE commentary and more specifically the jat "catch", not mentioned at all by CC

personally i am more suspicious of people who townread people for different reasons than i do (for a kinda related example, see how i questioned palmar on rsoultin even though i was somewhat on the townside for rsoultin at the time)


tis fair

the moosy read is mostly why i liked it cause it was an awful reason (that i happen to agree with for awful reasons) but he knew it was and was like fuck it, i think this shit anyway

in general...i don't necessarily agree with his reasoning or his reads, but the moosy one makes me think town and the willingness to dive right in is tonally more townie as well

i'm not really married to this read, though lol it was just my gut reaction

it's not awful, it's one that Palmar already gave and I'm sure various people already thought.

aye aye ayeeE. Glad to see people think i'm town.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 26 2015 13:26 GMT
#365
On August 26 2015 22:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2015 22:22 marvellosity wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I didn't actually read why palmar townread rsoultin I just saw that he said "Rsoultin is 2% mafia" and agreed :p

so getting a pretty decent townread from you is as easy as calling someone town that you think is town??


At the beginning of the game, yes. He gave a read I agreed with, and therefore I assumed he was town making the same assumption on Rsoultin.


I'm kinda speechless.

1) someone shares a read = town ?!
2) you managed to fail to read the thread to find his reasons despite the fact i spent several posts quesitoning him on it

i... uh. whatever.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 26 2015 13:27 GMT
#366
On August 26 2015 22:25 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2015 22:23 marvellosity wrote:
for the uninitiated, Mr CC is kinda known for being much more coherent and together as mafia than he is as town


The fact that you remember this is awesome. Although my sig kinda gives it away.

My mafia memory is in general pretty awesome xD

i have all sorts of meta for people who haven't played for years stored away somewhere in my head :p
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
August 26 2015 13:27 GMT
#367
Although I must admit that I'm kind of over the emotions of mafia at this point. I took a long hiatus, watched some DailyMafia. Not really worried about being correct, but it is nice to have all your reads turn out good in the end. Having fun is really the point.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 26 2015 13:27 GMT
#368
On August 26 2015 22:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2015 22:25 marvellosity wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:24 rsoultin wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:20 marvellosity wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:16 rsoultin wrote:
kinda like cheesecake even though i don't necessarily agree with his reasoning lol...intelligent life

i don't, i think most of the reasoning is kinda superficial or wrong (VE stuff)

in addition he likes Palmar as town for liking rsoultin for different reasons than Mr CC liked rsoultin for town. I don't see at all how agreeing on a mutual townread makes someone else town, and even less so when the reasons are different.

Palmar's given reasons were the WoS/VE commentary and more specifically the jat "catch", not mentioned at all by CC

personally i am more suspicious of people who townread people for different reasons than i do (for a kinda related example, see how i questioned palmar on rsoultin even though i was somewhat on the townside for rsoultin at the time)


tis fair

the moosy read is mostly why i liked it cause it was an awful reason (that i happen to agree with for awful reasons) but he knew it was and was like fuck it, i think this shit anyway

in general...i don't necessarily agree with his reasoning or his reads, but the moosy one makes me think town and the willingness to dive right in is tonally more townie as well

i'm not really married to this read, though lol it was just my gut reaction

it's not awful, it's one that Palmar already gave and I'm sure various people already thought.

aye aye ayeeE. Glad to see people think i'm town.


People are fickle though you should start doing townie things like voting jat
Computer says mafia
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
August 26 2015 13:27 GMT
#369
On August 26 2015 22:26 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2015 22:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:22 marvellosity wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I didn't actually read why palmar townread rsoultin I just saw that he said "Rsoultin is 2% mafia" and agreed :p

so getting a pretty decent townread from you is as easy as calling someone town that you think is town??


At the beginning of the game, yes. He gave a read I agreed with, and therefore I assumed he was town making the same assumption on Rsoultin.


I'm kinda speechless.

1) someone shares a read = town ?!
2) you managed to fail to read the thread to find his reasons despite the fact i spent several posts quesitoning him on it

i... uh. whatever.

Well according to your post saying Cheesycakes is incoherent as town, I'd say he's pretty much confirmed town at this point.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 26 2015 13:28 GMT
#370
On August 26 2015 22:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@Kelsier do you have any reads other than just moosy/bf


well i said trefl was town

i think rsol is likely town aswell

a lot of good players are posting so it's hard to give a read that I can be sure on, like I agree with a lot of what marv is saying and how he says it pleases me but he does that every game so i can't be 100%
Zerg for Life
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 26 2015 13:28 GMT
#371
On August 26 2015 22:27 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2015 22:26 marvellosity wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:22 marvellosity wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I didn't actually read why palmar townread rsoultin I just saw that he said "Rsoultin is 2% mafia" and agreed :p

so getting a pretty decent townread from you is as easy as calling someone town that you think is town??


At the beginning of the game, yes. He gave a read I agreed with, and therefore I assumed he was town making the same assumption on Rsoultin.


I'm kinda speechless.

1) someone shares a read = town ?!
2) you managed to fail to read the thread to find his reasons despite the fact i spent several posts quesitoning him on it

i... uh. whatever.

Well according to your post saying Cheesycakes is incoherent as town, I'd say he's pretty much confirmed town at this point.

then you misunderstand what i'm saying
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 26 2015 13:29 GMT
#372
On August 26 2015 22:28 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2015 22:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@Kelsier do you have any reads other than just moosy/bf


well i said trefl was town

i think rsol is likely town aswell

a lot of good players are posting so it's hard to give a read that I can be sure on, like I agree with a lot of what marv is saying and how he says it pleases me but he does that every game so i can't be 100%

Call me town too babe
Computer says mafia
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
August 26 2015 13:30 GMT
#373
After rsoultin, who started having weird reads on JAT again? -.- I'll go and look back later but I feels too lazy rite now.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
August 26 2015 13:31 GMT
#374
Marv is more town than Palmar. Consider my reads switched. Just a feeling, no reasons given.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
August 26 2015 13:31 GMT
#375
On August 26 2015 22:27 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2015 22:26 marvellosity wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:22 marvellosity wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I didn't actually read why palmar townread rsoultin I just saw that he said "Rsoultin is 2% mafia" and agreed :p

so getting a pretty decent townread from you is as easy as calling someone town that you think is town??


At the beginning of the game, yes. He gave a read I agreed with, and therefore I assumed he was town making the same assumption on Rsoultin.


I'm kinda speechless.

1) someone shares a read = town ?!
2) you managed to fail to read the thread to find his reasons despite the fact i spent several posts quesitoning him on it

i... uh. whatever.

Well according to your post saying Cheesycakes is incoherent as town, I'd say he's pretty much confirmed town at this point.


lol

<3 moosy can be town for the day (for the uninitiated in rsoul-ese, this means he got a d1 pass for posting what i thought)

shhhh CC you're messing with my townread on you by saying you don't realize that it's a bad reason lol ><
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 26 2015 13:32 GMT
#376
On August 26 2015 22:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Marv is more town than Palmar. Consider my reads switched. Just a feeling, no reasons given.

excellent, i can stop pursuing you now
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
August 26 2015 13:33 GMT
#377
On August 26 2015 22:32 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2015 22:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Marv is more town than Palmar. Consider my reads switched. Just a feeling, no reasons given.

excellent, i can stop pursuing you now

who's next on ur pursue list then?
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
August 26 2015 13:33 GMT
#378
On August 26 2015 22:32 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2015 22:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Marv is more town than Palmar. Consider my reads switched. Just a feeling, no reasons given.

excellent, i can stop pursuing you now


Excellent.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 26 2015 13:34 GMT
#379
On August 26 2015 22:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2015 22:32 marvellosity wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Marv is more town than Palmar. Consider my reads switched. Just a feeling, no reasons given.

excellent, i can stop pursuing you now

who's next on ur pursue list then?

tba
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
August 26 2015 13:36 GMT
#380
On August 26 2015 22:28 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2015 22:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@Kelsier do you have any reads other than just moosy/bf


well i said trefl was town

i think rsol is likely town aswell

a lot of good players are posting so it's hard to give a read that I can be sure on, like I agree with a lot of what marv is saying and how he says it pleases me but he does that every game so i can't be 100%


nah i'd say marv's town this game probably yup

though the palmarv bromance is lacking ;o; which is interesting to me cause i'm used to the early hard-align from them

hrum

ye that was meaningless really just a curiosity and i need to stop posting every thought that bebops into my head and takes up residence

marv likely town
palmar breaks my heart if he's not
like truffle
like you
like moosy

cc makes me waffle :/

should lynch jat

that's a wrap
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
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