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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25563 Posts
September 01 2015 17:33 GMT
#2961
Vote Count


KelsierSC (4): Mr. Cheescake, MoosyDoosy, Vivax, Trfel
Vivax (3): Palmar, justanothertownie, VisceraEyes
MoosyDoosy (1) KelsierSC

Not Voting (1): Deconduo

Currently, KelsierSC is set to be lynched. Day ends at Wednesday, Sep 02 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .

Voting is mandatory! Voting is done in the voting thread: (link)
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16344 Posts
September 01 2015 17:33 GMT
#2962
I don't think I will allow a lynch on anyone but Vivax barring a towny miracle from his side. If he is mafia we are in a great spot because I will be confirmed town and the masons most likely (and even if they aren't they need to survive at least 2 nights). So mafia either has to show face by killing them (probably after me) or kill unconfirmed people solving the game for the masons.

If Vivax is town we lynch the masons back to back and get to a final 3.


Lynching Vivax is the mechanically correct play here.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16344 Posts
September 01 2015 17:34 GMT
#2963
Trfel I think we both forgot Mr. CC. See? The game isn't solved yet.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16344 Posts
September 01 2015 17:36 GMT
#2964
On September 02 2015 02:31 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2015 02:23 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 02 2015 02:22 Trfel wrote:
Look at KelsierSC's last three posts. He knows that most people are calling him confirmed mafia, but he posts like that? I simply cannot see this coming from town at all.

Can anyone see town playing like this? If not, I don't see why we should lynch anyone but KelsierSC, I'd rather take the confirmed mafia lynch.

Yes, it is scummy. But the confirmed mafia lynch from your perspective is Vivax dude.
I'm more confident in KelsierSC flipping mafia, actually.... I can see the possibility that Vivax and VisceraEyes are both town (very unlikely, but I can see it). Not explaining why at this time.

You will have to explain this rather soon. Not that I think that this will ever change my mind. You can lynch Kelsier once Vivax flips scum.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
September 01 2015 17:38 GMT
#2965
On September 02 2015 02:33 justanothertownie wrote:
I don't think I will allow a lynch on anyone but Vivax barring a towny miracle from his side. If he is mafia we are in a great spot because I will be confirmed town and the masons most likely (and even if they aren't they need to survive at least 2 nights). So mafia either has to show face by killing them (probably after me) or kill unconfirmed people solving the game for the masons.

If Vivax is town we lynch the masons back to back and get to a final 3.


Lynching Vivax is the mechanically correct play here.
First, why does Vivax flipping mafia make you confirmed town? (not criticizing, I just don't know what you're getting at?)

Also, I guess that makes sense, mostly, anyway.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
September 01 2015 17:39 GMT
#2966
On September 02 2015 02:36 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2015 02:31 Trfel wrote:
On September 02 2015 02:23 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 02 2015 02:22 Trfel wrote:
Look at KelsierSC's last three posts. He knows that most people are calling him confirmed mafia, but he posts like that? I simply cannot see this coming from town at all.

Can anyone see town playing like this? If not, I don't see why we should lynch anyone but KelsierSC, I'd rather take the confirmed mafia lynch.

Yes, it is scummy. But the confirmed mafia lynch from your perspective is Vivax dude.
I'm more confident in KelsierSC flipping mafia, actually.... I can see the possibility that Vivax and VisceraEyes are both town (very unlikely, but I can see it). Not explaining why at this time.

You will have to explain this rather soon. Not that I think that this will ever change my mind. You can lynch Kelsier once Vivax flips scum.
I'll explain this after Vivax claims, if necessary.

And if Mr. Cheesecake is mafia, I'm fine to lose. That's just far too unlikely.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16344 Posts
September 01 2015 17:40 GMT
#2967
On September 02 2015 02:38 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2015 02:33 justanothertownie wrote:
I don't think I will allow a lynch on anyone but Vivax barring a towny miracle from his side. If he is mafia we are in a great spot because I will be confirmed town and the masons most likely (and even if they aren't they need to survive at least 2 nights). So mafia either has to show face by killing them (probably after me) or kill unconfirmed people solving the game for the masons.

If Vivax is town we lynch the masons back to back and get to a final 3.


Lynching Vivax is the mechanically correct play here.
First, why does Vivax flipping mafia make you confirmed town? (not criticizing, I just don't know what you're getting at?)

Also, I guess that makes sense, mostly, anyway.

Well unless you think the mafiateam is exactly VE, Vivax and me this would make me confirmed town, no? Do you think that's very likely? No.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16344 Posts
September 01 2015 17:45 GMT
#2968
On September 02 2015 02:39 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2015 02:36 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 02 2015 02:31 Trfel wrote:
On September 02 2015 02:23 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 02 2015 02:22 Trfel wrote:
Look at KelsierSC's last three posts. He knows that most people are calling him confirmed mafia, but he posts like that? I simply cannot see this coming from town at all.

Can anyone see town playing like this? If not, I don't see why we should lynch anyone but KelsierSC, I'd rather take the confirmed mafia lynch.

Yes, it is scummy. But the confirmed mafia lynch from your perspective is Vivax dude.
I'm more confident in KelsierSC flipping mafia, actually.... I can see the possibility that Vivax and VisceraEyes are both town (very unlikely, but I can see it). Not explaining why at this time.

You will have to explain this rather soon. Not that I think that this will ever change my mind. You can lynch Kelsier once Vivax flips scum.

And if Mr. Cheesecake is mafia, I'm fine to lose. That's just far too unlikely.

Maybe you are but I am not and I also don't know why you would be.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
September 01 2015 19:50 GMT
#2969
So today has been interesting to say the least.

It seems impossible for Vivax to be town. He would almost have to be a jailkeeper, and JAT just seems like an unlikely target either for a RB or a protect. If he does actually flip town, then we have 2 easy lynches lined up in Trfel and Palmar. I don't see any good reason not to lynch Vivax and work from there.

##Vote: Vivax

More to follow in a bit.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25563 Posts
September 01 2015 19:52 GMT
#2970
Vote Count


Vivax (5): Palmar, justanothertownie, VisceraEyes, Trfel, Deconduo
KelsierSC (3): Mr. Cheescake, MoosyDoosy, Vivax
MoosyDoosy (1) KelsierSC

Not Voting (0):

Currently, Vivax is set to be lynched. Day ends at Wednesday, Sep 02 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .

Voting is mandatory! Voting is done in the voting thread: (link)

When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16344 Posts
September 01 2015 21:16 GMT
#2971
On September 02 2015 04:50 deconduo wrote:
So today has been interesting to say the least.

It seems impossible for Vivax to be town. He would almost have to be a jailkeeper, and JAT just seems like an unlikely target either for a RB or a protect. If he does actually flip town, then we have 2 easy lynches lined up in Trfel and Palmar. I don't see any good reason not to lynch Vivax and work from there.

##Vote: Vivax

More to follow in a bit.

That's a long bit...
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 01 2015 21:41 GMT
#2972
sheeperino
##unvote
##vote Vivax
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 01 2015 21:42 GMT
#2973
On September 02 2015 02:12 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2015 02:09 Trfel wrote:
On September 02 2015 02:03 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 02 2015 02:02 Trfel wrote:
On September 01 2015 21:24 justanothertownie wrote:
Today Palmar and Trfel need to find the mafia in there and I will sheep. They have at least a 50:50 chance of hitting randomly in the group of 4 (that's if deconduo was framed/is gf - if he is town then it is 75 %). If they do not manage to do this we have a problem and they suck.
Look, I'm considering the game most likely solved right now. You seem to disagree. I'd like to know why you are not convinced.

Look. Explain to me how it is solved or what's the point of this post.
I've already done so.

It's perfectly acceptable if you disagree, I'd just like to know why.

KelsierSC and deconduo
Vivax (plus Palmar's point, which is very good)

I suppose it's possible that VisceraEyes is also mafia, but I sort of don't think so. And either way, I see three mafia in a group of four people, so that basically means the game is solved. At worst, it's three mafia in five people if you include MoosyDoosy, so if town agrees to not lynch myself and Palmar in LYLO that's an auto-win. But just finding one town makes the game solved without that.

Yes, it is nice that you just repeated what I said. I don't see your problem. That's not a solved game though. If you are town Vivax is almost certainly mafia but we will still have to find the 2 between Moosy, KSC, VE and deconduo. Which like you said means we need to find 1 townie in there.

i be a townie btw.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
September 02 2015 09:31 GMT
#2974
For future reference.

When Vivax flips scum and confirms me town, I also think VE is 100% lock mafia.
Computer says mafia
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16344 Posts
September 02 2015 09:44 GMT
#2975
On September 02 2015 18:31 Palmar wrote:
For future reference.

When Vivax flips scum and confirms me town, I also think VE is 100% lock mafia.

Vivax/VE/Kelsier is a possibility but 100 %? We will see. If VE is mafia with Vivax they screwed themselves over with their claims. If you assume mafia plays optimally (which we shouldn't necessarily but it is a thing to keep in mind) then VE cannot be mafia with Vivax.
The fact that there is NOTHING coming from Vivax is a good sign.

And Trfel I expect you to reveal your reasons for a possible world with VE and Vivax as town with enough time left in the day. If you retract your mason claim I will lynch the shit out of you regardless of your alignment.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
September 02 2015 10:55 GMT
#2976
On September 02 2015 18:44 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2015 18:31 Palmar wrote:
For future reference.

When Vivax flips scum and confirms me town, I also think VE is 100% lock mafia.

Vivax/VE/Kelsier is a possibility but 100 %? We will see. If VE is mafia with Vivax they screwed themselves over with their claims. If you assume mafia plays optimally (which we shouldn't necessarily but it is a thing to keep in mind) then VE cannot be mafia with Vivax.
The fact that there is NOTHING coming from Vivax is a good sign.

And Trfel I expect you to reveal your reasons for a possible world with VE and Vivax as town with enough time left in the day. If you retract your mason claim I will lynch the shit out of you regardless of your alignment.

VE would never ever try the shit he tried today to call me mafia with a flipped marv town calling me literally top town.

There is no way he respects marv that little.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
September 02 2015 10:57 GMT
#2977
I am absolutely sure of this.
Computer says mafia
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16344 Posts
September 02 2015 11:19 GMT
#2978
It is possible. I somehow doubt you were still marvs top town in the end but fair enough.

It is wednesday so it is not unlikely that I won't be around for the flip. Maybe I will be back by then, maybe not. Lynch Vivax unless the masons retract their claim in which case lynch them.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
September 02 2015 14:40 GMT
#2979
##Unvote
##Vote: Vivax


Mechanically best play. If town, the game automatically goes down to final three.

If Vivax comes back and does some weird shit in the last hour or two do NOT take votes off him. The only thing we should pay attention to is if VE was lying or not about him visiting JAT N2. I only care about his words on this if he flips town.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
September 02 2015 15:11 GMT
#2980
On September 02 2015 23:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Vivax


Mechanically best play. If town, the game automatically goes down to final three.

If Vivax comes back and does some weird shit in the last hour or two do NOT take votes off him. The only thing we should pay attention to is if VE was lying or not about him visiting JAT N2. I only care about his words on this if he flips town.

there is almost a 100% chance VE is not lying.
Computer says mafia
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