TL Mafia LXXII: Gaiden 2 - Page 13

On September 01 2015 19:04 Palmar wrote:


I'm going to explain why this post makes no sense now. (And in the end it makes Vivax mafia).



There is a logical error here by Vivax.

The truth value of the claim between Trfel and I does not change depending on when or how we claim it. It's either true, or it's false. There's only two options here for Vivax.

So how could the mason situation possibly have been resolved yesterday? Is he implying that if we claimed when someone (maybe himself I think?) demanded it, then we would have been confirmed? Because that is a super strange way of thinking about this.

Is he maybe implying that he would have accepted the claim then proceeded to lynch one of us to confirm it? Again, that would have been both stupid and unwarranted.

I'm going to paraphrase Vivax's post to get the message even clearer, there are two important statements in here:

1) We could have resolved the mason claim yesterday.
2) No one is sure whether the mason claim is true.

I listed (above) the only two ways I believe these sentence can be true together. Either if Vivax believes that:

a) Palmar claims when he demands it = MASONS CONFIRMED
b) Trfel claims when Palmar is about to be lynched = MASONS SCUMMY

This makes no sense because a) is just retarded if he has ANY reason to suspect us. If the ONLY reason Vivax believes we're scummy is the timing of the claim, then he's not considering eveyrthing that had happened in the game up until then.

I hope this makes sense, but I'm actually really sure about this. The post is illogical and clearly shows Vivax is saying something that is out of touch with reality.

I'll sheep people on KSC because I think he's mafia, but I think Vivax is the prime lynch today.

On September 01 2015 19:04 Palmar wrote:


I'm going to explain why this post makes no sense now. (And in the end it makes Vivax mafia).



There is a logical error here by Vivax.

The truth value of the claim between Trfel and I does not change depending on when or how we claim it. It's either true, or it's false. There's only two options here for Vivax.

So how could the mason situation possibly have been resolved yesterday? Is he implying that if we claimed when someone (maybe himself I think?) demanded it, then we would have been confirmed? Because that is a super strange way of thinking about this.

Is he maybe implying that he would have accepted the claim then proceeded to lynch one of us to confirm it? Again, that would have been both stupid and unwarranted.

I'm going to paraphrase Vivax's post to get the message even clearer, there are two important statements in here:

1) We could have resolved the mason claim yesterday.
2) No one is sure whether the mason claim is true.

I listed (above) the only two ways I believe these sentence can be true together. Either if Vivax believes that:

a) Palmar claims when he demands it = MASONS CONFIRMED
b) Trfel claims when Palmar is about to be lynched = MASONS SCUMMY

This makes no sense because a) is just retarded if he has ANY reason to suspect us. If the ONLY reason Vivax believes we're scummy is the timing of the claim, then he's not considering eveyrthing that had happened in the game up until then.

I hope this makes sense, but I'm actually really sure about this. The post is illogical and clearly shows Vivax is saying something that is out of touch with reality.

I'll sheep people on KSC because I think he's mafia, but I think Vivax is the prime lynch today.

On September 01 2015 19:04 Palmar wrote:


I'm going to explain why this post makes no sense now. (And in the end it makes Vivax mafia).



There is a logical error here by Vivax.

The truth value of the claim between Trfel and I does not change depending on when or how we claim it. It's either true, or it's false. There's only two options here for Vivax.

So how could the mason situation possibly have been resolved yesterday? Is he implying that if we claimed when someone (maybe himself I think?) demanded it, then we would have been confirmed? Because that is a super strange way of thinking about this.

Is he maybe implying that he would have accepted the claim then proceeded to lynch one of us to confirm it? Again, that would have been both stupid and unwarranted.

I'm going to paraphrase Vivax's post to get the message even clearer, there are two important statements in here:

1) We could have resolved the mason claim yesterday.
2) No one is sure whether the mason claim is true.

I listed (above) the only two ways I believe these sentence can be true together. Either if Vivax believes that:

a) Palmar claims when he demands it = MASONS CONFIRMED
b) Trfel claims when Palmar is about to be lynched = MASONS SCUMMY

This makes no sense because a) is just retarded if he has ANY reason to suspect us. If the ONLY reason Vivax believes we're scummy is the timing of the claim, then he's not considering eveyrthing that had happened in the game up until then.

I hope this makes sense, but I'm actually really sure about this. The post is illogical and clearly shows Vivax is saying something that is out of touch with reality.

I'll sheep people on KSC because I think he's mafia, but I think Vivax is the prime lynch today.

On September 01 2015 19:04 Palmar wrote:


I'm going to explain why this post makes no sense now. (And in the end it makes Vivax mafia).



There is a logical error here by Vivax.

The truth value of the claim between Trfel and I does not change depending on when or how we claim it. It's either true, or it's false. There's only two options here for Vivax.

So how could the mason situation possibly have been resolved yesterday? Is he implying that if we claimed when someone (maybe himself I think?) demanded it, then we would have been confirmed? Because that is a super strange way of thinking about this.

Is he maybe implying that he would have accepted the claim then proceeded to lynch one of us to confirm it? Again, that would have been both stupid and unwarranted.

I'm going to paraphrase Vivax's post to get the message even clearer, there are two important statements in here:

1) We could have resolved the mason claim yesterday.
2) No one is sure whether the mason claim is true.

I listed (above) the only two ways I believe these sentence can be true together. Either if Vivax believes that:

a) Palmar claims when he demands it = MASONS CONFIRMED
b) Trfel claims when Palmar is about to be lynched = MASONS SCUMMY

This makes no sense because a) is just retarded if he has ANY reason to suspect us. If the ONLY reason Vivax believes we're scummy is the timing of the claim, then he's not considering eveyrthing that had happened in the game up until then.

I hope this makes sense, but I'm actually really sure about this. The post is illogical and clearly shows Vivax is saying something that is out of touch with reality.

I'll sheep people on KSC because I think he's mafia, but I think Vivax is the prime lynch today.

On September 01 2015 19:04 Palmar wrote:


I'm going to explain why this post makes no sense now. (And in the end it makes Vivax mafia).



There is a logical error here by Vivax.

The truth value of the claim between Trfel and I does not change depending on when or how we claim it. It's either true, or it's false. There's only two options here for Vivax.

So how could the mason situation possibly have been resolved yesterday? Is he implying that if we claimed when someone (maybe himself I think?) demanded it, then we would have been confirmed? Because that is a super strange way of thinking about this.

Is he maybe implying that he would have accepted the claim then proceeded to lynch one of us to confirm it? Again, that would have been both stupid and unwarranted.

I'm going to paraphrase Vivax's post to get the message even clearer, there are two important statements in here:

1) We could have resolved the mason claim yesterday.
2) No one is sure whether the mason claim is true.

I listed (above) the only two ways I believe these sentence can be true together. Either if Vivax believes that:

a) Palmar claims when he demands it = MASONS CONFIRMED
b) Trfel claims when Palmar is about to be lynched = MASONS SCUMMY

This makes no sense because a) is just retarded if he has ANY reason to suspect us. If the ONLY reason Vivax believes we're scummy is the timing of the claim, then he's not considering eveyrthing that had happened in the game up until then.

I hope this makes sense, but I'm actually really sure about this. The post is illogical and clearly shows Vivax is saying something that is out of touch with reality.

I'll sheep people on KSC because I think he's mafia, but I think Vivax is the prime lynch today.

On September 01 2015 19:04 Palmar wrote:


I'm going to explain why this post makes no sense now. (And in the end it makes Vivax mafia).



There is a logical error here by Vivax.

The truth value of the claim between Trfel and I does not change depending on when or how we claim it. It's either true, or it's false. There's only two options here for Vivax.

So how could the mason situation possibly have been resolved yesterday? Is he implying that if we claimed when someone (maybe himself I think?) demanded it, then we would have been confirmed? Because that is a super strange way of thinking about this.

Is he maybe implying that he would have accepted the claim then proceeded to lynch one of us to confirm it? Again, that would have been both stupid and unwarranted.

I'm going to paraphrase Vivax's post to get the message even clearer, there are two important statements in here:

1) We could have resolved the mason claim yesterday.
2) No one is sure whether the mason claim is true.

I listed (above) the only two ways I believe these sentence can be true together. Either if Vivax believes that:

a) Palmar claims when he demands it = MASONS CONFIRMED
b) Trfel claims when Palmar is about to be lynched = MASONS SCUMMY

This makes no sense because a) is just retarded if he has ANY reason to suspect us. If the ONLY reason Vivax believes we're scummy is the timing of the claim, then he's not considering eveyrthing that had happened in the game up until then.

I hope this makes sense, but I'm actually really sure about this. The post is illogical and clearly shows Vivax is saying something that is out of touch with reality.

I'll sheep people on KSC because I think he's mafia, but I think Vivax is the prime lynch today.

On September 01 2015 19:04 Palmar wrote:


I'm going to explain why this post makes no sense now. (And in the end it makes Vivax mafia).



There is a logical error here by Vivax.

The truth value of the claim between Trfel and I does not change depending on when or how we claim it. It's either true, or it's false. There's only two options here for Vivax.

So how could the mason situation possibly have been resolved yesterday? Is he implying that if we claimed when someone (maybe himself I think?) demanded it, then we would have been confirmed? Because that is a super strange way of thinking about this.

Is he maybe implying that he would have accepted the claim then proceeded to lynch one of us to confirm it? Again, that would have been both stupid and unwarranted.

I'm going to paraphrase Vivax's post to get the message even clearer, there are two important statements in here:

1) We could have resolved the mason claim yesterday.
2) No one is sure whether the mason claim is true.

I listed (above) the only two ways I believe these sentence can be true together. Either if Vivax believes that:

a) Palmar claims when he demands it = MASONS CONFIRMED
b) Trfel claims when Palmar is about to be lynched = MASONS SCUMMY

This makes no sense because a) is just retarded if he has ANY reason to suspect us. If the ONLY reason Vivax believes we're scummy is the timing of the claim, then he's not considering eveyrthing that had happened in the game up until then.

I hope this makes sense, but I'm actually really sure about this. The post is illogical and clearly shows Vivax is saying something that is out of touch with reality.

I'll sheep people on KSC because I think he's mafia, but I think Vivax is the prime lynch today.

On September 01 2015 19:04 Palmar wrote:


I'm going to explain why this post makes no sense now. (And in the end it makes Vivax mafia).



There is a logical error here by Vivax.

The truth value of the claim between Trfel and I does not change depending on when or how we claim it. It's either true, or it's false. There's only two options here for Vivax.

So how could the mason situation possibly have been resolved yesterday? Is he implying that if we claimed when someone (maybe himself I think?) demanded it, then we would have been confirmed? Because that is a super strange way of thinking about this.

Is he maybe implying that he would have accepted the claim then proceeded to lynch one of us to confirm it? Again, that would have been both stupid and unwarranted.

I'm going to paraphrase Vivax's post to get the message even clearer, there are two important statements in here:

1) We could have resolved the mason claim yesterday.
2) No one is sure whether the mason claim is true.

I listed (above) the only two ways I believe these sentence can be true together. Either if Vivax believes that:

a) Palmar claims when he demands it = MASONS CONFIRMED
b) Trfel claims when Palmar is about to be lynched = MASONS SCUMMY

This makes no sense because a) is just retarded if he has ANY reason to suspect us. If the ONLY reason Vivax believes we're scummy is the timing of the claim, then he's not considering eveyrthing that had happened in the game up until then.

I hope this makes sense, but I'm actually really sure about this. The post is illogical and clearly shows Vivax is saying something that is out of touch with reality.

I'll sheep people on KSC because I think he's mafia, but I think Vivax is the prime lynch today.

On September 01 2015 19:04 Palmar wrote:


I'm going to explain why this post makes no sense now. (And in the end it makes Vivax mafia).



There is a logical error here by Vivax.

The truth value of the claim between Trfel and I does not change depending on when or how we claim it. It's either true, or it's false. There's only two options here for Vivax.

So how could the mason situation possibly have been resolved yesterday? Is he implying that if we claimed when someone (maybe himself I think?) demanded it, then we would have been confirmed? Because that is a super strange way of thinking about this.

Is he maybe implying that he would have accepted the claim then proceeded to lynch one of us to confirm it? Again, that would have been both stupid and unwarranted.

I'm going to paraphrase Vivax's post to get the message even clearer, there are two important statements in here:

1) We could have resolved the mason claim yesterday.
2) No one is sure whether the mason claim is true.

I listed (above) the only two ways I believe these sentence can be true together. Either if Vivax believes that:

a) Palmar claims when he demands it = MASONS CONFIRMED
b) Trfel claims when Palmar is about to be lynched = MASONS SCUMMY

This makes no sense because a) is just retarded if he has ANY reason to suspect us. If the ONLY reason Vivax believes we're scummy is the timing of the claim, then he's not considering eveyrthing that had happened in the game up until then.

I hope this makes sense, but I'm actually really sure about this. The post is illogical and clearly shows Vivax is saying something that is out of touch with reality.

I'll sheep people on KSC because I think he's mafia, but I think Vivax is the prime lynch today.

On September 01 2015 19:04 Palmar wrote:


I'm going to explain why this post makes no sense now. (And in the end it makes Vivax mafia).



There is a logical error here by Vivax.

The truth value of the claim between Trfel and I does not change depending on when or how we claim it. It's either true, or it's false. There's only two options here for Vivax.

So how could the mason situation possibly have been resolved yesterday? Is he implying that if we claimed when someone (maybe himself I think?) demanded it, then we would have been confirmed? Because that is a super strange way of thinking about this.

Is he maybe implying that he would have accepted the claim then proceeded to lynch one of us to confirm it? Again, that would have been both stupid and unwarranted.

I'm going to paraphrase Vivax's post to get the message even clearer, there are two important statements in here:

1) We could have resolved the mason claim yesterday.
2) No one is sure whether the mason claim is true.

I listed (above) the only two ways I believe these sentence can be true together. Either if Vivax believes that:

a) Palmar claims when he demands it = MASONS CONFIRMED
b) Trfel claims when Palmar is about to be lynched = MASONS SCUMMY

This makes no sense because a) is just retarded if he has ANY reason to suspect us. If the ONLY reason Vivax believes we're scummy is the timing of the claim, then he's not considering eveyrthing that had happened in the game up until then.

I hope this makes sense, but I'm actually really sure about this. The post is illogical and clearly shows Vivax is saying something that is out of touch with reality.

I'll sheep people on KSC because I think he's mafia, but I think Vivax is the prime lynch today.

On September 01 2015 19:04 Palmar wrote:


I'm going to explain why this post makes no sense now. (And in the end it makes Vivax mafia).



There is a logical error here by Vivax.

The truth value of the claim between Trfel and I does not change depending on when or how we claim it. It's either true, or it's false. There's only two options here for Vivax.

So how could the mason situation possibly have been resolved yesterday? Is he implying that if we claimed when someone (maybe himself I think?) demanded it, then we would have been confirmed? Because that is a super strange way of thinking about this.

Is he maybe implying that he would have accepted the claim then proceeded to lynch one of us to confirm it? Again, that would have been both stupid and unwarranted.

I'm going to paraphrase Vivax's post to get the message even clearer, there are two important statements in here:

1) We could have resolved the mason claim yesterday.
2) No one is sure whether the mason claim is true.

I listed (above) the only two ways I believe these sentence can be true together. Either if Vivax believes that:

a) Palmar claims when he demands it = MASONS CONFIRMED
b) Trfel claims when Palmar is about to be lynched = MASONS SCUMMY

This makes no sense because a) is just retarded if he has ANY reason to suspect us. If the ONLY reason Vivax believes we're scummy is the timing of the claim, then he's not considering eveyrthing that had happened in the game up until then.

I hope this makes sense, but I'm actually really sure about this. The post is illogical and clearly shows Vivax is saying something that is out of touch with reality.

I'll sheep people on KSC because I think he's mafia, but I think Vivax is the prime lynch today.

On September 01 2015 19:04 Palmar wrote:


I'm going to explain why this post makes no sense now. (And in the end it makes Vivax mafia).



There is a logical error here by Vivax.

The truth value of the claim between Trfel and I does not change depending on when or how we claim it. It's either true, or it's false. There's only two options here for Vivax.

So how could the mason situation possibly have been resolved yesterday? Is he implying that if we claimed when someone (maybe himself I think?) demanded it, then we would have been confirmed? Because that is a super strange way of thinking about this.

Is he maybe implying that he would have accepted the claim then proceeded to lynch one of us to confirm it? Again, that would have been both stupid and unwarranted.

I'm going to paraphrase Vivax's post to get the message even clearer, there are two important statements in here:

1) We could have resolved the mason claim yesterday.
2) No one is sure whether the mason claim is true.

I listed (above) the only two ways I believe these sentence can be true together. Either if Vivax believes that:

a) Palmar claims when he demands it = MASONS CONFIRMED
b) Trfel claims when Palmar is about to be lynched = MASONS SCUMMY

This makes no sense because a) is just retarded if he has ANY reason to suspect us. If the ONLY reason Vivax believes we're scummy is the timing of the claim, then he's not considering eveyrthing that had happened in the game up until then.

I hope this makes sense, but I'm actually really sure about this. The post is illogical and clearly shows Vivax is saying something that is out of touch with reality.

I'll sheep people on KSC because I think he's mafia, but I think Vivax is the prime lynch today.

On September 02 2015 01:45 justanothertownie wrote:
No Palmar, this whole case is easily explained and I already did so -.-

On September 02 2015 01:50 VisceraEyes wrote:

It's not random it's based on his reads and IF you're town it confirms the OTHER one of you for town. How is that retarded?

On September 02 2015 01:56 VisceraEyes wrote:

It wasn't a lie, it was me misremembering. I think maybe I was thinking of you saying you had an urge to lynch marv and I flipped it around or something. At any rate what marv was reading you as is completely irrelevant because A.) stuff has happened that would affect that read and B.) you would kill him as mafia while he's townreading you because it's late game and that's what you do to marv late game when he's town and a cop.

On September 02 2015 01:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
At any rate what marv was reading you as is completely irrelevant

On September 02 2015 02:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
We're never lynching VE. Ever.

On September 02 2015 18:44 justanothertownie wrote:

Vivax/VE/Kelsier is a possibility but 100 %? We will see. If VE is mafia with Vivax they screwed themselves over with their claims. If you assume mafia plays optimally (which we shouldn't necessarily but it is a thing to keep in mind) then VE cannot be mafia with Vivax.
The fact that there is NOTHING coming from Vivax is a good sign.

And Trfel I expect you to reveal your reasons for a possible world with VE and Vivax as town with enough time left in the day. If you retract your mason claim I will lynch the shit out of you regardless of your alignment.

On September 02 2015 23:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Vivax

Mechanically best play. If town, the game automatically goes down to final three.

If Vivax comes back and does some weird shit in the last hour or two do NOT take votes off him. The only thing we should pay attention to is if VE was lying or not about him visiting JAT N2. I only care about his words on this if he flips town.

On September 03 2015 06:29 VisceraEyes wrote:

You keep saying I'm mafia then to try and get the lynch off Vivax you posit a world in which I'm town. Fucking got'em boys!

On September 03 2015 06:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


Maybe his shit is getting to me. Just ksc has claimed scum in thread and nobody lynch him makes me eery

On September 03 2015 06:45 Palmar wrote:


Ah you're right

he's trying to save mafia vivax, while you tracked the evil bastard.

This clearly means you're mafia and he's town.