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On August 31 2015 01:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar is scum because of his relative disinterest in the game. His contributions to the game arent what id expect from a town palmar. His push on JAT was pretty bad and his refusal to reevaluate the game after a day 1 mislynch and just call people mafia is infuriating, and shows no actual game solving attempt.
This is a "for the record" type of defense. I'm just informing you why you're wrong in case you're actually town.
There is no disinterest, in fact, compare this game to my last few games and I've probably shown more interest.
The push on JAT was justified. I admit I've kinda come around on JAT (I gave two reasons as early as back on day one as to why he might be town) but I still think it was an extremely weird attack to make on Trfel.
The reason I don't reevaluate is that the gamestate doesn't offer it.
Marv's claim is important in that sense.
I still think Trfel is town
I still think Marv is town (I would probably have waffled but as the single claimed bluerole in the game and having had reasons to believe he is town from earlier in the game, I am definitely just taking this)
Decon is town based on marv's check
I'm not actually pushing JAT
There are reasons to believe VE is town (his frustration when I was forcing him to go along with my reads seemed genuine).
I still believe Moosy might possibly be town based on being sort of straightforward and easy going on day 1. This is one of my weaker townreads.
This leaves:
Vivax
CC
Hopeless
Of the three, I have the least reasons to believe Hopeless is town. Vivax might very well be mafia because I would have assumed he'd have taken a passionate stance at this point in the game, but it's a meta read and I don't really trust those.
CC is just a complete null to me, I have no idea if you're mafia or town, like the sole reason I'm not sheeping marv and voting hopeless over you is I feel your push on me makes me extremely likely to be town if you're mafia, maybe I'm reading too much into it.
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I fucking forgot Kelsier, which probably means he's mafia.
That's like the best scumtell I know. I forget that a person exists.
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Also I am not mason with trfel. If he is mafia he just won the game because I will never ever vote him after this hero play of saving me.
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yeah KSC looks super bad.
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On August 31 2015 07:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
We are 100% lynching Trfel tomorrow
I think this guy confirmed himself town by getting super emotional.
But I may just be bad. I'm clearly having an off-game.
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On August 31 2015 07:05 KelsierSC wrote:
meh i thought hopeless was mafia and didn't want to be modkilled
you could've like.... said so.
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On August 31 2015 07:06 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2015 07:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
only not-that world I can think of is Trfel by himself (to get palmar lynched down the line) which is clever Well, in any case we are lynching him first and then Palmar better BLEEDS town if he actually is.
we're lynching KSC before either of us, he's just a goon.
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On August 31 2015 07:08 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2015 07:05 Trfel wrote:
Okay, fine, you got me. I'm mafia and that's why I know that Palmar is town. I roleclaimed mason because I thought I could pocket him for not only this game, but the next game too.
Otherwise, Palmar is mafia with me and I didn't actually ask him if my plan was good or not. So, what the hell were you thinking if you aren't mason with Palmar? Not at all would be my guess.
he was saving a townie which makes him even confirmederer than he was before
#rekt town
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On August 31 2015 07:11 Trfel wrote:
Palmar, did I do something to annoy you? Are you holding a grudge against me?
No I'm just having a bit of fun with these boys.
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On August 31 2015 08:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2015 07:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
Omg sry, something pulled me away.
Okay so Hopeless was town. Palmar and Trfel are NOT masons. Kelsier mafia. Anything else? Mr. CC is probs town looking at his reaction. That or he's very good at acting.
I agree with this observation.
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On August 31 2015 17:12 justanothertownie wrote:
I will humor you and consider you 2 masons for now but the first thing BOTH of you do day3 is hardclaim or whoever is alive needs to lynch you with fire.
So if we assume this then your early Palmar comment was cleary some sort of shitty breadcrumb and I noticed something that was in fact not natural. AND PALMAR FUCKING KNEW THIS AND STILL PUSHED ME FOR IT. That's even more retarded then his push would be otherwise. Literally bush league level of play.
such mad 
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Also not weekend anymore. I have a feeling I'll survive the night so I'm giving this game one more shot for solvage over the next 3 days.
there's like.... 10 people left, in the best of worlds 4 of them are confirmed (yes trfel and I are masons, I'm done trolling... sorry about that).
this means we literally have 3 mafia in 6 people. If we can't figure out the mafia in
Moosy
jat
CC
Vivax
VE
Ksc
we suck anyway.
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Re: tinfoil hats scenario.
If anyone doubts trfel and I are actually masons well... we have been hard, hard, hard defending each other for no good reasons since back on day 1. (if you want to know what's been going on in our mason qt, the answer is very little. we both seem to take the approach of mostly just posting our thoughts into the thread instead of keeping them secret).
marv/decon. The only scenario I'm worried about is if they're both mafia. If one of them is mafia it is probably statisically best to ignore them and search for 2/6 mafia in the group of remaining players.
I think we mass-claim tomorrow, with even doctors claiming, mostly because no one else should be blue than marv/trfel/I for the game to be balanced... in most situations.
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On August 31 2015 18:48 justanothertownie wrote:
And yes, you 2 being masons makes a ton of sense hence why I thought it was the case n1 already. But you need to stick to this.
I might, I might also retract.
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I guess we re-read marv (sigh) tomorrow to figure out if there is even the slightest chance of him being mafia.
I kinda wanna say he's just town and I don't have to worry about it.
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On August 31 2015 18:59 deconduo wrote:There is a very easy way to verify you are both masons together. Pick a time, and within 5 seconds of each other post both: - The solution to a relatively complicated equation - And the equation itself. For example something like:
I think this is against the spirit of the game and I'm just not going to do it.
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On August 31 2015 22:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2015 22:25 Trfel wrote:On August 31 2015 22:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 31 2015 12:47 Trfel wrote:On August 31 2015 12:13 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Trfel you're hurting my head. Why in the world is Palmar confirmed town? Why are you so ironclad on this fact? Please, please, please ignore this. Imagine for a moment that I gave you indisputable evidence that I am in fact town, and Palmar is also town. I'm telling you that the scum team is KelsierSC, Vivax, and deconduo. For reasons previously stated, though if you would like me to clarify or further explain anything, I can do so. Do you agree, or do you disagree, and why? If I assume that you and Palmar are confirmed town then yes, I would have to say that your case against deconduo is very compelling. Why does my alignment affect how compelling the case is? (actually curious what you're thinking, not criticizing) (well okay, not criticizing yet, anyway) let me rephrase that. If I assume that you and Palmar are confirmed town then yes, I would have to say that deconduo has to be Mafia here. -squints- To be fair, I can see the crumbs that you guys were masons all along but I still find it annoying that you guys did the EoD shenanigans.
It's not exactly crumbs.
In the QT I wrote "I'm not gonna claim mason, I'm just gonna hard defend you all the time"
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RIP KSC 
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On September 01 2015 09:41 Vivax wrote:
This game is really starting to get me mad cause we could have resolved this mason bullshit on last day and now instead we're stuck with Trfel and Palmar and Trfel keeps trying to push a mislynch on me and noone still is sure whether their claim is true.
This post makes no sense.
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On September 01 2015 12:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
and not to mention that mafia had 2kp on n1, which is something not usually had in normal 13 player setups
Wasn't this a 14 player setup?
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