[M][T] The New Personality Mafia

On August 10 2015 13:44 Breshke wrote:


I think he means he hopes there is a "damdred" role that someone else will get

On August 19 2015 07:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
OK ritoky is BH and damdred is.... Slam?

On August 19 2015 07:14 geript wrote:

I don't know if I can be friends with Chezinu. It's like rubbing it in.

On August 19 2015 07:39 Fecalfeast wrote:
damdred is scum

##vote damdred

On August 19 2015 07:44 geript wrote:

What is the current exchange rate of GreyMist bucks to Chezinoos? I might be able to get in on this.

On August 19 2015 07:41 Damdred wrote:


DAMDRED RULE

On August 19 2015 08:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Send me stuff.

On August 19 2015 08:35 Fidei86 wrote:
I have no idea who you're doing Ritoky, but I wish I did. If I did, then I would probably be able to know if you were mafia or not, because that would feed into my Ritoky reading computer and would tell me for sure if you were mafia or not. As it is, I have several strong mafia and several strong town reads, despite there having been very little that actually happened this game, and that should be enough for you all to town read me. If you don't town read me, that means you're bad town players, and you should know better.

On August 21 2015 06:16 Chezinu wrote:
I wouldn't put it past Onegu for giving me the worse role in the game, because I pointed out how bad he was last game... He is the biggest joke of a host that has ever hosted on teamliquid!

On August 21 2015 07:42 geript wrote:

If you were 3rd party, you'd be happier to lynch chez and less likely to lynch ruXxar.

On August 22 2015 09:00 ritoky wrote:


chez + 3p + give "presents" + have to be sure of alignment or bad things happen.....just points toward cult in my mind. normally i wouldn't go there, but seeing my own role well...the world is the mod's oyster.

+ Show Spoiler +

On August 22 2015 09:05 KelsierSC wrote:

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what was ur info?

On August 24 2015 03:33 Rels wrote:

I don't know really. It's just coherent with Chezinu's banker role, giving presents and being outside the main game.

Writing the other post above, I can see Damdred being serial killer too, having his shot blocked, and pretending to be the saver. But it doesn't make sense with Chezinu's world to me.

On August 24 2015 05:13 Rels wrote:

Talking about fidei read ? Was convinced by HTS' post + WOS post which said tube was scummier than fidei

don't like how he came back to the thread though, waiting for his big post

and WOW i'm really the leading wagon p: geript I thought you didn't want to lynch me

On August 24 2015 05:52 Tictock wrote:
How about we all switch to rayn?

Rels is being pushed too easily imo, plus he's doing stuff.

Rayn is suddenly sheeping geript who he said was mafia last night and hasn't given anything solid for his scumread on rels.

Fidei is also a good target imo both for dropping off the whole day, coming back 2 hours before EoD to write a case on the leading wagon, and also the meh town thing on HtS before she got NK'd. Also the stuff he was being scummed for D1.

On August 24 2015 07:17 Tictock wrote:

Hey now..

I get some of the cred for that

but you did help

On August 24 2015 10:50 Fidei86 wrote:
I was PMed after the deadline to say that I had been recruited into the "House of Brown". And I received a welcome message from Damdred.

I didn't post this straight away because I wanted to check my alignment hadn't changed, and it hasn't. So, yeah. Not entirely sure what it means, but I figured it might mean something to someone in town.

On August 25 2015 10:49 Lord Tolkien wrote:
alright, im back

time to do things

...after sleep

On August 25 2015 20:22 Fidei86 wrote:

I don't follow. Can you restate in terms my addled brain can undestand?

On August 25 2015 21:36 Fidei86 wrote:

You were "torn" on him in gaiden, and you were mafia and he was town. You were sure about him in Holy Guardians, and you were right and you were both town.

You're completely correct that shooting Yamato, in the circumstances was dumb. We'd already more or less cleared all three wagons of being mafia. He also did it without reason. The only thing that makes me question whether it was really mafia aligned was that Yamato was still probably lynchbait? Except, meh, I probably wouldn't have voted for him again, and I doubt the town circle would have either. Also he (Yam) was being so useless that he (rit) couldn't have been accused of hindering town with the shot. As it turns out, he (rit) didn't help mafia or town.

Meh.

I'd also like to know what people think about purportedly town ritoky surviving this long into a game and having been totally wrong about all of the lynches and mafia, even when newb dumb players such as myself worked out that the Rels/Yamato/Me wagons were all full of crap. Am I the only one who is a fanboy for his town play? Or am I wildly overestimating him?

On August 27 2015 11:04 Tictock wrote:
Wait, why is Rels mafia Damdred?

On August 27 2015 14:44 Breshke wrote:
NVM idk why i read half your post before i tried to reply that was stupid.

But if LT shoots down a nuke on his partner then flips mafia doesn't that just make him seem mafia?

If chez is town why doesn't LT blow it up so then we lynch chez the next day?

On August 27 2015 14:44 Tictock wrote:



So why didn't you use one of your anti-nukes for Chez?

On August 27 2015 23:57 Tictock wrote:


See?

Good posts ^.^

On August 27 2015 23:59 Breshke wrote:
Tictock FF could very well be mafia yes. There is a lot of discrepancies which does not look good for him. People can make bad checks like obviously checking geript there wasn't optimal because we already had two checks on him basically. I will also agree that on the other side of the same coin mafia can make sub optimal plays and bad claims and that could very well be what FF has done.

The fact of the mater is FF is going to get a check on KSC so weather you think FF is mafia or not i think it is optimal to let him liveto give us this information on KSC because if he says KSC is green as i have explained it basically confirms him.

Also do you not think it is weird that chez hasn't claimed what his role actually does? (has he?) Half the game is calling for him to get nuked you think he would try leverage it with his power.

On August 28 2015 00:00 geript wrote:
I still think Damdred is best nuke. Sorry buddy.

On August 28 2015 00:04 Breshke wrote:
meh, im going to be probably. Cya in the morning.

GL if i die and dont wake up before deadline.

I think the fact that a lot of the mafia voted together on D2 probably means that there is no mafia on the rayn vote what so ever.

On August 28 2015 00:09 Rels wrote:

It is bullshit. Either you can state your wincon or you cannot. Paraphrasing bullshit is being like "look I'm really trying!"
Nuke Chez please

On August 28 2015 00:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
mmm
I feel like I could make a solid choice nuking either or chez/ff but that doesn't really make it easier.

On August 28 2015 00:45 Breshke wrote:
Just saying yeah damdred helped kill two mafia but I don't see how he can be just a survivor if Fidel is getting s house of brown pm.

Don't nuke him but don't listen to him too much either

On August 28 2015 07:59 geript wrote:
But idk what Damdred's role does supposedly so....

On August 28 2015 08:02 ritoky wrote:


he is 3p with a win con that he may be lying about, don't know how much value his check has anyway; so yes the threat of a cult growing to potentially 4 players does outweigh a check that i will mostly put no faith in.

On August 28 2015 09:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Also I need a new nuke target since chez won't/can't be nuked.
Idk who I should blow up.

On August 28 2015 09:12 Damdred wrote:
He has none yours just wasn't in time

On August 28 2015 23:14 Rels wrote:

funny =D
sry to disappoint you, all I had is written above

On August 29 2015 00:06 Rels wrote:

OK I feel dumb for not understanding that =X


Just a framer would do. Remember N2 tube the framer still lived, so FF check could have been framed. We only have one check on geript now.
Plus, I find weird that he put suspicions on you immediately after EON3; you say he's lying; then he rescind his accusation; and you let it go.
Does geript being retarded really not making him mafia ? (I want meta!)

On August 29 2015 06:51 ritoky wrote:


you're admitted 3p with a win condition that is convoluted at best and anti-town at worst, and you have a proven track record of just straight lying in the thread so far this game. i can understand his skepticism toward you. his constantly being averse to killing chez is weird tho.

On August 29 2015 07:01 ritoky wrote:
i don't understand the question. it was sent to me? wasn't it sent to everyone?

On August 29 2015 07:07 ritoky wrote:


Why were you so flustered when I RB'd you last night?

On August 29 2015 07:30 Fidei86 wrote:

When did you receive an explanation of your upgrade?

On August 29 2015 09:16 Fidei86 wrote:
And picking someone who is dead is pretty convenient, since they can't contradict you.

On August 29 2015 16:15 Rels wrote:
Pretty cool claim (= so ritoky is 99% mafia
I would prefer lynching Chezinu since I'm 100% sure he's mafia, but would follow a ritoky's lynch
Whatever happens though, we're killing Chez, lynch or nuke

On August 30 2015 01:13 Fidei86 wrote:

Why does he fake claim now, and give a red check on Chez? Like, if Chez doesn't flip red, we auto-lynch Rels. With Mafia this far behind, that makes no sense to me.

On August 30 2015 09:31 ritoky wrote:
#confirmedlyfe

i will gladly await fidei's apology.

On August 31 2015 01:48 JudgeJudy wrote:




Well chez received his mason power on n2 from his upgrade so we know he couldn't have used that power on n1. ritoky claims to have roleblocked him on n2 so if he is town, we know he couldn't have used that power on n2. That leaves three scenarios where chez could have came in contact with the scum team.

1) chez successfully checked a scum on n3 and they became masons.
2) Ritoky did not roleblock chez on n2, they came in contact on night two, and ritoky claimed the roleblock after learning chez was the traitor.
3) geript used his mason power with chez and they connected that way.

I don't think scenario 3 makes a ton of sense because even if geript were mafia, that would mean he would need to claim mafia to chez at a point where he didn't necessarily know chez's alignment. I don't think that's worth the risk.

Scenario two is possible, but lying when there isn't a huge deal to gain at that point also doesn't seem worth the risk.

I think scenario one is almost a certainty. Nobody claimed that they received a mason quicktopic from chezinu. Here are the scenarios that I could come up with:

1) chez chose never to use his role
2) chez used his role on a player that died night three and the mason was never initiated
3) chez masoned damdred and damdred chose not to reveal things because he has no reason to
4) chez masoned a mafia player, made contact and the mason was never claimed

I'm going to eliminate 1 and 2 right off the bat because they don't make a ton of sense. I can't eliminate 3, but if chez is looking for mafia players, he likely doesn't think the third party claimer is mafia. Perhaps he wanted to gain information regarding whether damdred was a non-survivor role, but he never passed that information on to mafia prior to his death in the thread if they weren't in contact otherwise.

That leaves scenario 4, which I think is the most likely. He contacted mafia on night three since a town player would have claimed it.

That leaves two things to look into:
1) Did anyone suddenly change their opinion of chezinu between night three and day four?
2) How did chezinu figure out who to check? LT would have been dead before night three, so that means he would have had to target a mafia that we don't know about. That leads me to believe it's probably one of the more obvious individuals like KSC or obi, but when I have a chance I'll see if there are any hints that might suggest that chezinu knows more than he should.

On August 31 2015 02:00 JudgeJudy wrote:




Huh, so did you receive a mason qt with chez or not?

On August 31 2015 02:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I don't understand this bit. Elaborate?
Can he not do both or something?

On August 31 2015 03:45 Rels wrote:
Mm maybe ritoky is confirmed town.

Don't have the time to expand right now, will try to post something before deadline

On August 31 2015 09:11 Tictock wrote:
Shit, well least I know I had a solid read on KSC most of the game.

Ok, so based on what we now know regarding the day 2 lynch I find it super unlikely that there was any mafia on the rayn lynch.

JJ effectively preserved the wagon when KSC and rels switched off rayn and has been pretty towny all game.

I could probably tinfoil damdred and fidei being the last 2 mafia alive, but... Meh. Only paranoid thoughts and the notion that Damdred is totally willing to buss keep this thought alive, by and large these 2 have been contributing and helping to push the game forward.

So this leaves:
Obi
Rit
Geript

Now whats odd is that both geript and rit have had greenchecks on them, but something tells me that Obi flipping will not end the game. Rels was also fairly adiment about rit being mafia even though he said he had a green check on him.

I wonder why that is...

Personally I feel like I want to look at Rit and geript in greater depth today.

Also, what do we think... 2 mafia left or 1 ?

If theres 2 left I have a hard time seeing anyone on a team with Obi.

On August 31 2015 12:09 ritoky wrote:


well i rb'd hts (died), chez (lied about being rbd), you (if no notifications and no actions then how would you know), and geript

On August 31 2015 13:12 ritoky wrote:


then you have to believe there's 2 mafia. geript 100% didn't deliver kp last night.

On August 31 2015 13:15 geript wrote:

Damdred/ritoky please comment ont his idea. It's kinda a cop check I think.

On August 31 2015 13:14 geript wrote:

To be fair, I'd have to like be with Fido and RB ritoky and one of us kill. In the least, I'd have a better fucking plan than have fido claim to watch TT.