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JudgeJudy

188 Posts

September 03 2015 19:46 GMT

#4179

A few replies to the more recent posts before I start the filter dive...

On September 03 2015 15:25 Tictock wrote:

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I really don't like how Geript is going about this, like he's basically saying it doesn't matter if I'm town or not he just wants to lynch me kus of my ability.

Were you concluding anything here or just sharing frustrations? I don't really see a mafia geript scenario happening at any point.

On September 03 2015 18:03 Tictock wrote:
I have to believe that you got out of a meeting, found a computer (phone posting is possible, but leaves even less time for posting the gif) saw KSC unvote (which still left rayn as the lynch) and considered all that you say you did while voting and posting that gif.

Yeah I mean there isn't a ton I can say here, other than yes I did do all that. I probably got out around 5-6 minutes to go, quickly skimmed the thread from where I had left off, scanned the voting thread, found a gif (didn't actually post it until I decided to go through with the swap), saw the tube and KSC votes and made my own vote because tube was almost certainly mafia with the late show up and I figured he was trying to hammer rels. It was a tight window and the vote count wasn't really clear, but that is what happened.

On September 03 2015 16:00 Tictock wrote:
Honestly if JJ is the last mafia here he can have the win for all I care right now.

At least he is putting in some effort.

Still like Obi is more likely though.

And no Obi I don't have a case, you've just been on the fence all game. I just want to see which side you land on when you get pushed off.

Even if you don't have a case, would there be a spark notes version of what you are thinking?

JudgeJudy

188 Posts

September 03 2015 20:42 GMT

#4180

On August 20 2015 16:20 Tictock wrote:
Obi is actually a slight town read for me currently, he has made a few pokes and prods. As scum I'd describe him as "just along for the ride", in this game I feel like he's a little engadged, sorta? Idk he is definitely someone to keep an eye on though.

On August 21 2015 04:28 Tictock wrote:
Unfortunately my experience here has shown that often times players who just don't give a shit are just as often town as they are mafia.

You seem to rely on the same "effort tell" in conflicting fashions here. First you say obi tends to be a bit lazy as scum, but shortly later remark that lazy players are just as likely to be mafia. Is this specially a meta read on obi then? If so, would you say it applies to have over the course of this game?

On August 22 2015 07:43 Tictock wrote:

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This is a terrible post from Rels, seems to me like he's soft pushing scum on her.

Honestly I dislike the whole interaction between Rels and HtS around the time of this post. Rels claimed to hard townread HtS in his first post and sheeped her vote everywich way. But in this interaction he is just poking at her and never tries to talk about her reads besides him.

We def should be lynching Rels today.

However!

This looks fun too...

##vote: fecalfeast

What was the point of this vote on day two? You just finished explaining why Rels looked bad and then you vote for FF who you hadn't even mentioned after ritoky announces his RNG target. You explained why ritoky's RNG voting was likely fake, yet you jump on the same target? I'll admit the vote was short lived though, so maybe it was just a pressure vote or something?

On August 22 2015 07:39 Tictock wrote:
Not sure what this nuke is, but atm it doesn't affect me so w/e

This was an odd response to the nuke considering tube was one of your town reads. Why didn't you question the shot choice here if you felt this way? Did you not find Shining suspicious for this action? You didn't seem to have a strong opinion of Shining one way or the other.

On August 24 2015 05:42 Tictock wrote:
Didn't you have a scum read on geript?

Rayn is also a good lynch. Lots of excuses, promised explanations for his "geript and rels are mafia" entrance that never came.

Good post from TT here. I remember this one influenced me a fair bit when he pointed it out because rayn did indeed list geript as one of his mafia reads when he first replaced into the game.

On August 23 2015 05:29 Tictock wrote:

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I'll bite
##update Chezinu

That is all.

Why the blind trust with this one. From another post that you made it suggests that you didn't think he was town. You even voted him shortly after. What is the point of possibly activating some type of mafia ability here?

On August 24 2015 10:24 Tictock wrote:
Everything I've seen from obi is consistent with his scum game.

This post on day two seems to conflict with the post you made on day one. Initially you had him as a slight town for the meta read that he was being engaged, but this suggests he has been consistently mafia. Was there anything in particular that changed between the initial post and this one that changed your mind about him?

I need to take a break for a bit. Probably going to take a nap. I'll finish up with the second half of your filter tonight.

JudgeJudy

188 Posts

September 03 2015 20:50 GMT

#4181

On August 24 2015 07:13 Onegu wrote:
You have unlocked...a secondary win condition! Even if scum lose, you get a win if the REDACTED role is killed first. May not claim this or out your scum team.

Anyone have any idea what this might refer to? At first I assumed it would be like a win condition that relies on taking out the 3p damdred or something, but then it refers to not "outing your scum team" which suggests this might have been like a mafia traitor type role. I know rayn never would have unlocked it at this point, but is there a certain personality role that makes sense here?

As far as I know, marv wouldn't have had a beef with HF, Koshi, or FecalFeast, unless there is a reference that I'm not familiar with.

JudgeJudy

188 Posts

September 04 2015 01:35 GMT

#4186

Okay, finally finished up with Tictock's filter. Once I hear back I'll make my final decision.

On August 24 2015 10:24 Tictock wrote:
Everything I've seen from obi is consistent with his scum game.

On August 25 2015 07:27 Tictock wrote:
Probably Town, but I'm not sure yet:
ObiWanShinobi

On August 28 2015 00:58 Tictock wrote:
Tbh I've never had reason to read Obi as town.

It's been riding on a hope and a dream

This is a follow up from the previous post so you can reply to that part together with this one maybe. It's been really difficult to follow your read on obi. You haven't mentioned him between these posts but on d1 you were town lean, night two you were scum lean, day three you have him back in the probably town pool and on day four you never read him as town. Could you elaborate what specifically made your read evolve between these cycles. You're not very consistent here and without an explanation I'm kinda lost.

On August 25 2015 08:06 Tictock wrote:
I say lynch Chez & nuke TL!

On August 25 2015 08:58 Tictock wrote:
Is somebody nuking LT yet?

These posts come out scummy in retrospect. TT suggests a nuke on LT, which would have allowed him to survive the cycle with an anti-nuke, which we know he had. LT even claimed in the thread that he had an anti so it really doesn't make sense to not make him the lynch considering the red check had been revealed by this point.

On August 25 2015 07:15 Tictock wrote:
So tbh, I'm not all that convinced LT is scum. The fact that he was saying to check rayn is only bad in retrospect since rayn flipped pgo, his late vote on rels is a bit more telling though

What about LT's play during the first two cycles made you be on the fence about him going into day three prior to the cop check?

On August 31 2015 17:15 Tictock wrote:
Besides, I honestly don't see getting much information out of his lynch.

On September 01 2015 15:07 Tictock wrote:
Oddly enough I think a lot of people agree Obi could be scum here and he might very well be the best lynch. The reason I say I feel like his lynch isn't too informative is because there is less contention there. It's the mechanical easy play, (Everyone not on Rayn wagon - green checks = Obi) and it will still be there tomorrow so I'm inclined to leave him alone another day.

On September 02 2015 04:00 Tictock wrote:
The best way I can think to reexplain (and it may not even be a very good point) is to look at the analogy of a lynch vs nuke. A nuke is static and doesn't offer much chance for discussion, whereas a lynch is dynamic and generates a lot of content. Look at how Obi has responded to pressure thus far, it doesn't seem like he'd offer much to discuss if we were all pushing on him.

I still don't follow this, even after you re-explanation. When the game is nearly over, why does the lynch need to provide information or offer up a discussion? If obi is mafia, then the game likely is over. Getting information or discussion doesn't matter at that point. It's weird you say to leave him around for tomorrow, yet mention that he might be the best lynch.

JudgeJudy

188 Posts

September 04 2015 01:42 GMT

#4187

The thread is awfully dead considering that we probably need to get this right today if damdred does his own thing tomorrow. Has everyone else made up their mind already? :/

JudgeJudy

188 Posts

September 04 2015 14:06 GMT

#4194

Yeah I mean do you plan to respond to anything I wrote yesterday TT? I did spend most of my free time looking through your filter after all and then you just responded to geript's single post. :/

JudgeJudy

188 Posts

September 04 2015 15:20 GMT

#4199

On September 05 2015 00:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
So JJ, where do you stand?

I guess I'm sticking with TT. This is still a really tough choice, but he hasn't really addressed anything I found scummy from the filter dive and it kinda seems like he has given up by not offering up a preferred lynch today. If he was town I would have thought that he would at least try to suggest who is the final mafia if the game is still going on after his own lynch. meh I really hope this is over with.

you?

JudgeJudy

188 Posts

September 04 2015 15:52 GMT

#4203

On September 05 2015 00:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote:

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Still don't really trust JJ.

@TT: Did you ever address what JJ brought up? It kind of seems like it but I'd like to confirm for the sake of it.

Confirm what? TT's post that he made an hour ago is right there for you to read. What does asking that question solve? If anything, shouldn't you be asking me what I feel he hasn't addressed?

Like I quoted the four instances where his read goes back and forth on obi and asked for specific posts that made him town read you at one point and scum read you at the next, and he replies that he doesn't have a clue how to read you, which doesn't help considering he gave "town" and "scum" reads at the time so he had to have been using some metric if the reads were legit. Same thing about the information lynch question.

Then like the comment about why he wasn't upset about Shining nuking his town read or what made him read LT as town prior to the check, he replies that he thought Tube and LT were town. That wasn't my question.

And like I said, I would have thought he would spend some time on deciding who to lynch today, but hasn't. I'd still like to hear from him about that if he is willing.

JudgeJudy

188 Posts

September 04 2015 21:49 GMT

#4215

Ditto.

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