EPTOn August 21 2015 05:59 KelsierSC wrote:
so confused about who is roleplaying and who isn't =)
so confused about who is roleplaying and who isn't =)
Are you?
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On August 21 2015 20:08 KelsierSC wrote: We should lynch geript Shoot me if you want, fun game apparently just means normal serious game If everyone played like you have, how would it be a 'game'? Every lynch would be totally random, and mafia would win. | ||
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On August 21 2015 22:58 geript wrote: Because I'm pretty sure he's town. Yamato is maybe town for consolidating on a good lynch. In the least a better lynch. Like you guys can complain about those 4 being off limits, but it'd be exceptionally odd if there were more than 1 mafia on CheZinU. Statistically they're low probability lynches ever worse than RNG and significantly worse than RNG excluding the 5 on chez. I'm serious about Damdred being mafia. If he were 3P he'd be far more interested in staying on Chez. Not because chez is 100% mafia, but because as a 3P (survivor or not) he'd be more interested in me avoiding looking at him seriously. I do think chez has a higher than normal chance to flip scum though. His play reminds me a bunch of his play in Nuclear where he was mafia with Ace and Dandelion +2. Around enough to say stuff but not really do anything specific. Plus, his approach towards being lynched was nothing like in TSM. He says similar sounding things, but when you look at TSM he had a long series of posts which showed he was sort of lost. He's just waiting to be lynched and trying to delay it. That's the difference. Town chez tries to do stuff and a lynch ends up his way because of how he plays. As mafia, he just tries to wait out the lynch and does nothing. Doesn't it depend which way Chez flips (if he does)? I mean, if he's town as well, it doesn't really matter which way we went, surely? | ||
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On August 22 2015 00:37 geript wrote: Yes. Damdred and Chezinu are significantly better shots. Chezinu gives us information whether it was town-town or town-mafia wagons (3p essentially being town-town). Yamato is a lower probability shot than a number of others. This. I haven't seen anything convincing to say that Chezinu's last-minute spurt of activity was alignment indicative, and before that his filter was trash-tier. I've also no confidence whatsoever that he will actually look to contribute to the game. Also, if he is mafia, then we confirm a bunch of town. From a totally selfish and non-game-winning perspective I'd rather you shoot Kelsier, whose only purpose seems to genuinely hinder town and generally be rude to people. But in terms of shooting lurkers, I think Chez is the better choice. | ||
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It essentially boils down to three points: 1. She was the first person to make a substantive argument against the ritoky/Tube/TickTock wagon on me. A couple of other people had made throwaway comments about me, but that was it. And everyone knows (or will know now I'm telling you) that HTS is probably the person in this game I have had the MOST interaction with. Not only do we play DOTA together, but we were town together in Newbie XII and she moderated Himalayas. It would have been VERY easy for her to come up with some sort of weasel argument as to why I was scum in this game. Given her connections with me, I think it would have been very convincing to a lot of people. Yes, she could have been pocketing me, or town reading me for the cred in case the wagon was successful, but I find that less likely than the alternative - that she is town. 2. Having exchanged messages with her and played Dota with her, I'm not sure that she's the kind of person who would claim having serious back pain as a reason for not being around. I also don't see why mafia HTS would mix in the excuses with her genuine attempts at analysis. Why not just be like "oh my back is too sore, I can't play, I'm on Ruxx and I think that's right". That makes more sense to me. 3. At the lynch she was all over the shop. I think she moved her vote perhaps four times? I know she's an advanced mafia player, but that seems like a stretch to me, especially as she ended up on the ruxxar wagon. This reason may well fall apart once we learn the alignments of the other two wagons (other than me). However, the sense of frustration that she was giving (for example, calling out Ruxx for not being around) fits in perfectly with her erratic voting. | ||
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I'm fairly sure ritoky is scum here. I have basically two key reasons: 1. I like playing with town ritoky. He makes me feel bad about how rubbish I am as town. Ritoky this game has been exactly the opposite, tonally. He usually asks good questions, gets good answers and generally really helps town. He is never massively sure of his reads, but he does push and probe at them. And he's well respected enough (I would think?) that he should know he could get his reads pushed, if he wanted to. This time, his style is twofold: (i) CERTAIN that I am mafiabut not really pushing me (ie even though a bunch of people indicated they might switch onto me, at least one of whom (TS) I'm pretty sure is town), he's happy to stick with Rels. (ii) His other reads are totally meh - he's not indifferent in a "this game is hard, I'm not sure" way, but rather a "I don't really give a crap" way. Damdred, who I know claims to be able to soul-read ritoky, said that he thought ritoky was mafia, and it seems to have been on tone. 2. Better players than me, and people I am town reading, have said that they don't buy his role claim. I don't either. A role where you can't control who you vote for? Now, other people have claimed to have similar roles, so I'm not ruling it out entirely, but I am sceptical. But, as other people have mentioned, there is no reason whatsoever for him then to try and push me for "serious" reasons. And when HTS and a bunch of other town players all came in and defended me (some of whom, btw, know me and my meta a lot better than he does) he never re-evaluated, but he never really kept pushing me either. He just keeps repeating that he thinks I'm scummy. I don't think town ritoky plays this way. | ||
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I am sorry for not having been around at all over the last cycle. If I'm honest, the attitude of too many players (not all of whom can be town) in this game has been so rubbish that I've struggled to keep enthusiasm. I've spent the last couple of hours reading back over the thread, I'm here and I have thoughts. I will be around until EOD as well. Town: Geript JJ Breshke FF TheShining TT I still have a town read on geript and JJ. Geript is straightforward - he has been the only person pointing out what I was trying to say re Kelsier, and also what I think some of the other town are thinking at the moment -- the town attitude is cancerous and people needed to seriously buck up their ideas. I don't see a mafia motivation for trying to get town to ... you know ... do its job. I haven't seen a real change in the playstyle - except that his activity has dropped off a tad. I'm not that put off by his lack of reads, as (from my view anyway) as the game has been so quiet. Breshke has been meh so far, however he was town read by HTS, whose reads I trust much more than mine. For some reason my new IE won't let me access his filter, but I looked at it 30 mins ago and his indifference really reminds me of my own - disinterested town who are struggling to find the enthusiasm to solve, not mafia who want to solve. FF is more of a gut-reaction, but he and I seem to be reading the game in a very similar manner. He is extremely disbelieving of the ritoky role claim, as I am. I don't like that his scum list is basically, with the exception of ritoky, basically just a bunch of lurkers, and it's not exactly tough for mafia to scum-read lurkers. Finally, I read ritoky's long case on FF. Given that I think ritoky is mafia, I'm not sure if mafia would feel comfortable making such a long scum post on a friend, especially since nobody is really on FF and there's no apparent reason to bus. On TS, the more I read his filter (filters now working, but only if I find a post of theirs on the thread, rather than using them on the front ... weird), the more I think it's towny. His nuke on Tubesock is totally consistent with his reads D1. He's posting from a "stream of consciousness" perspective which I like. Also HTS was town reading him, and <3 HTS (RIP). Also, I like his reaction to my return. Yes, he voted me, but he's not dismissing me as instant scum, and since I'm back he's engaging with me. On TT, look, we scum read each other every game, mostly. I'm not surprised we both came out swinging - clearly we don't see eye to eye on this game. But HTS had him as town, and I'm starting to think she might have been right. I like his most recent response to my return and also the game. | ||
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On August 24 2015 06:04 ritoky wrote: so you don't believe the guy who got warned for claiming his name is a day cop? and you don't believe his green check on breshke? Will double check thread and revert. | ||
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That was BM right? | ||
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Day cop returns standard cop checks, but can check during the day? | ||
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... Wow. Like, I'm sorry, I've read the thread, and I'm trying to jump about between the thread and reading people's filters. Clearly I have an issue with skim reading, as I didn't really clock that post the first time around. But I don't see how it undermines my town read on him? | ||
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On August 24 2015 06:12 ritoky wrote: it underlines that you haven't read the thread and it tends to make me not take any of what you said very seriously. for example you talk a lot about my case on FF in the FF read section, but pretty close after my case on FF, both him and KSC claimed roles that fuck with their votes and since then i have been town reading them both, while FF believes one of the 3 of us is mafia due to over-saturation. you don't mention the day cop and the green check on breshke and instead give him some convoluted read. so it is clear to me you have not grasped the main parts of what very little has happened today. Yes, I am sceptical of your role claim, but that's also not the reason I am scum reading you. Lots of people have made the case I just did already (your role is unlikely AND it doesn't mandate you to push your RNG read), but I've thought about it and, combined with my tone read on you, I'm pretty sure it makes you mafia. | ||
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