@TT I went to the effort of reading the entire thread and taking notes on what people were saying and putting together a case because I'm town and that's what I do as town. However, I'm not going to stand here and say that all my reads were cast-iron. In fact, they were all based upon not only the fairly limited number of posts we already had at that point, but were also likely totally thrown out of whack because of the whole roleplaying/someone else's meta stuff. Also also, I'm doubting myself because I find the first few days of any game very difficult. You're right, of course, that me voicing these doubts isn't helpful to town. But I don't agree (obviously!) that it's scummy.

Anyway, since then I've had a long interaction with Rels, and posted thoughts on The Shining and VA. This was after you asked me to give my thoughts other than defending myself. So please read those and then come back with an updated read.

Fidei86

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August 20 2015 11:59 GMT

#803

(I should clarify by saying that the first few days of a BIG game are intimidating for newer players like me. The smaller games like HG and newbie mafia, I found a lot easier. Big fish/small pond v small fish/big pond).

Fidei86

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August 20 2015 12:12 GMT

#807

That does remind me, I seriously want to hear the ritoky/Damdred mutual soul-read please. If they are as mind-meldy with each other as they claim, the fact that each of them has a super-hard roleplay going on at the moment shouldn't stop them.

Fidei86

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August 20 2015 12:13 GMT

#808

On August 20 2015 21:10 Tictock wrote:
I find it sad that the first game I play with Chez he's not Chez....

Meh. Having Onegu in Holy Guardians AND Himalayas is more than enough "Chezinu" for me.

Fidei86

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August 20 2015 12:27 GMT

#815

On August 20 2015 21:25 KelsierSC wrote:
Lol them ruxxar votes

So dumb

Why don't you enlighten us as to who we should vote for then.

Fidei86

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August 20 2015 12:48 GMT

#819

@TT you haven't said what you think of the interactions I've had with people other than you. Care to weigh in?

Fidei86

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August 20 2015 13:31 GMT

#822

Wow, that gif is epic.

Fidei86

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August 20 2015 14:17 GMT

#827

On August 20 2015 23:06 JudgeJudy wrote:

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Did you forget about this? :/

@JJ Tube did talk with/at me a little bit, but I don't think he really put together a 'case' (at least not in the way that, say, TT did). But I think it's fairly clear what he thinks of me...

Fidei86

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August 20 2015 15:43 GMT

#839

HTS I posted a case on VA and nobody has commented on it. What do you think?

Fidei86

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August 20 2015 16:22 GMT

#853

Here's the thing I don't understand about RuxXar's play at the moment. In Himalayas he replaced in and then carried scum (along with HolyFlare). He posted lots of long cases and he generally managed to appear quite towny. This game, he seems to be exactly the opposite. I guess that maybe at the start he was trying to emulate someone, but he's still the leading wagon with only a few hours left on the vote. I would have thought that at some point a few hours ago he would have re-engaged with the game, in an effort to stave off his lynch. Does anyone have any insight into this? He was in Gaiden, right? What do the people who were in Gaiden with him think now?

Fidei86

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August 20 2015 16:33 GMT

#854

OWS can you list some of the games you have played in before, so I can read them please?

Fidei86

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August 20 2015 16:57 GMT

#859

On August 21 2015 01:50 yamato77 wrote:
I have a read. I think Geript is mafia.

Alright, you're going to have to explain this one to me, because Geript has been one of the towniest players in the game to me.

Fidei86

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August 20 2015 17:03 GMT

#861

On August 21 2015 01:45 geript wrote:
I don't get it. People want to leave Yamato, CheZinU and Kelsier in the game. Why?

Basically I think the answer is that people on this site are generally too averse to policy lynches. People like Kelsier and Onegu screw around as much as they can as EITHER alignment because they don't fear being lynched for being useless, and it means they can preserve their 'meta' for when they roll scum. The trouble is that in the process they don't help town at all when they roll town. Look at Onegu - he keeps getting MLed at Lylo AS TOWN because scum can reasonably point out that he was useless all game.

The trouble is that in any given game, lynching them is no better than a coin flip. So it's not necessarily pro town in that game. But if town as a whole, across the site, start lynching them occasionally, then they'll be forced to actually help as town. I don't feel like I've been at the site long enough to start that sort of movement and get it anywhere.

Fidei86

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August 20 2015 17:19 GMT

#868

Hey Wave, earlier you pinged TT's post on me as being awful, but you never followed up. Care to share?

Fidei86

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August 20 2015 17:21 GMT

#870

On August 21 2015 02:17 yamato77 wrote:
I like 50/50 odds lynching a player. General town/scum ratio is 3/1. A coinflip is not bad, really.

Nobody likes a pedant.

Fidei86

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August 20 2015 17:31 GMT

#876

As I understand it, someone acts super troll-y for d1, and the first people who don't know that the person trolling is trolling to call the 'troll' scum are mafia.

It's stupid and I've never seen it work.

Fidei86

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August 20 2015 17:40 GMT

#885

On August 21 2015 02:35 Half the Sky wrote:

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That is stupid if that's what it is. I personally can't tell whether people are sarcastic on forums in general without the use of emoticons or whatever. *shrug*

I'm not being sarcastic.

Fidei86

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August 20 2015 17:52 GMT

#889

I just spent 15-20 minutes or so flicking back through OWS' past games. I read the first five pages of filter from his last two town games, and his last mafia game. In both, he definitely favours making lots of small posts. Furthermore, as town, he didn't seem particularly inclined to actually give reads or to make scum cases, rather all of his posts read like an ongoing dialogue with the thread. What struck me is that they all seemed to have a serious point to them, as though he was driving somewhere with them. The contrast to his scum game was subtle, but noticeable. In that, his points were responsive, but they were usually directionless. They read to me as though he was trying to stifle other people's lines of enquiry and also fill up his filter.

To me, his filter this game reads more like the scum version of OWS that I have read than the town version of OWS. In the town filter that I flicked through, he had no off-topic posts. Here, I think I saw maybe five or six? He has a few where he is just commenting on who people are. He talks about It's not necessarily scum indicative to drag the conversation 'off topic' of course, but it doesn't look like something that town OWS did before. His questions also read to me as less incisive and less fluid than his posts. His flip-flop-flip on the Tube v Ruxx lynch is particularly jarring - he still hasn't looked into Ruxxar's games, or asked anyone who played with Ruxxar previously for an opinion. If he really thinks that that is the way to tell if Ruxx is scum, he should do it.

Has anyone else played with him and get the same sense as I do? I obviously don't know the context of those games, so there could be something I'm missing.

Fidei86

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August 20 2015 17:53 GMT

#890

EBWOP (the above randomly misses out the end of a sentence that I'd started)

I just spent 15-20 minutes or so flicking back through OWS' past games. I read the first five pages of filter from his last two town games, and his last mafia game. In both, he definitely favours making lots of small posts. Furthermore, as town, he didn't seem particularly inclined to actually give reads or to make scum cases, rather all of his posts read like an ongoing dialogue with the thread. What struck me is that they all seemed to have a serious point to them, as though he was driving somewhere with them. The contrast to his scum game was subtle, but noticeable. In that, his points were responsive, but they were usually directionless. They read to me as though he was trying to stifle other people's lines of enquiry and also fill up his filter.

To me, his filter this game reads more like the scum version of OWS that I have read than the town version of OWS. In the town filter that I flicked through, he had no off-topic posts. Here, I think I saw maybe five or six? He has a few where he is just commenting on who people are. He talks about xbox controllers quite a bit. It's not necessarily scum indicative to drag the conversation 'off topic' of course, but it doesn't look like something that town OWS did before. His questions also read to me as less incisive and less fluid than his posts. His flip-flop-flip on the Tube v Ruxx lynch is particularly jarring - he still hasn't looked into Ruxxar's games, or asked anyone who played with Ruxxar previously for an opinion. If he really thinks that that is the way to tell if Ruxx is scum, he should do it.

Has anyone else played with him and get the same sense as I do? I obviously don't know the context of those games, so there could be something I'm missing.

Fidei86

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August 20 2015 20:56 GMT

#993

I'm back.

So my top two town reads (Geript and JJ) are both on Chezinu. I've read Chezinu's filter again, and it's garbage. Most of the posts, as others have pointed out, are basically just "let's find scum". But he really doesn't push towards that at all. I'm not even sure it's possible to read into his "Ritoky come off Fidei" post, since he didn't really give any reason, and he could have thought the RNG was so obviously stupid that he might win town points for it.

IDK. If we're policy lynching (and I think it's a good thing for the game, although it's kind of a shot in the dark) then I'd rather go for Kelsier, because he is actively hindering town by being rude to everyone. But I'm keen to try and consolidate with my town reads, and there's really nothing in it between Chez, Yamato and Kelsier anyway.

I'm not sure what to make of Tube moving onto this - I'm still wary of him for pushing on me so long, and I did like Rels' case on him a while back a lot. But ... eh. I think I trust geript and JJ more than I distrust Tube.

##Vote Chezinu