On September 09 2013 00:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Game start.
Chezinu talks about monsters all N0 so nobody else can say anything, and everyone just laughs.
D1 Chezinu again talks about monsters for another 3 minutes.
VE votes for Chezinu
We ask for a cop claim
Chezinu talks again about the monsters, and votes for VE
When asked for reasoning he says "Chezinu rule.."
Everybody assumes he is the cop and has a red check on VE.
VE the scum has been hammered.
Chezinu was indeed a cop but had a green check on yamato.

Hell even in video mafia. Hell the dude came to the game dressed up in all green clothes because he was town.

Trfel

7015 Posts

August 15 2015 18:26 GMT

#1809

On August 15 2015 19:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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Like this is the post i am talking about. There is so much wrong in this post.

Please explain.

The difference between deconduo and Hopeless1der for me on Day 1 is that I've played with Hopeless1der before. I haven't played with deconduo before. The fact that deconduo has a ton of experience playing mafia suggests that he actually enjoys it, meaning that it's very likely that he enjoys actually working with people and solving the game.

Deconduo seemed to be fairly active (aside from the late start) and trying to be helpful. The fact that, despite this, he didn't bother to try and work with people or change his reads based on what people shared, is extremely suspicious.

As to raynpelikoneet's other point, I have terrible memory, which is why I generally spend way too much time playing mafia and constantly rereading everything. You can clearly see this in my better towngames. However, since I'm home for the summer, I have much less time to play mafia because my family always comes first. I can't remember everything.

Raynpelikoneet, I think we have a different definition of "scumread".

On August 16 2015 02:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

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Like I said, I think it holds some water and makes it less likely for him to be mafia, but Rayn's case is good enough to easily overcome that. Especially the part about Trfel 'forgetting'/downgrading his scumread on RuXx in his reads post when he'd been on him before is damning. I don't think town Trfel acts like that.

This is simply nonsense.

On August 16 2015 02:34 Damdred wrote:
I still think rayn is town, just tinfoil. So don't get offended rayn and start pouting.

And Trfel scum game is a bit different then what you are used to Rux... its hit and miss honestly if its great trfel scum or bad scum trfel.

But it is what it is,

I kinda prefer a prp lynch now that I think about it though.

Yes, you can tell this from my grand total of TWO scum games (one of them half a year ago).

I'm not used to seeing such ridiculous statements from Damdred.

Trfel

7015 Posts

August 15 2015 18:33 GMT

#1810

I don't see Chezinu as obvious town at all. I was hesitant to lynch him by how he refused to answer simple questions (it's not at all hard to name two scum reads and give one reason for each), but he showed a consistent stubbornness that it felt like he would play this way regardless of alignment. This was further supported when he described his own meta as not fearing death (as either alignment).

The fact that his play has changed so heavily between Day 1 and Day 2, but without much meaningful contribution, and the way he completely dropped his push on me for no actual reason are very telling.

Damdred

15669 Posts

August 15 2015 18:51 GMT

#1811

I thought you had more than two scum games idk I didn't check your profile. And stop lying you always think i'm ridiculous or scum.

IDK if it is a real change for chez though this is just how he is when he plays.

Trfel

7015 Posts

August 15 2015 18:57 GMT

#1812

On August 16 2015 03:51 Damdred wrote:
I thought you had more than two scum games idk I didn't check your profile. And stop lying you always think i'm ridiculous or scum.

IDK if it is a real change for chez though this is just how he is when he plays.

So where did your stance on my scum play come from, then? And I don't always think you are ridiculous or scum, there was only one game where I scumread you for being below my expectations for you; that game taught me better.

Please explain to me how it's normal for Chezinu to adopt his play to be more active at the request/suspicion of others, but not care about dying enough to provide actual reads or actually work with people.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

August 15 2015 19:05 GMT

#1813

Rsoultin.

The trfel whisperer.

Tell me this is not how trfel played in gaiden when he was town.
You of all people should see that this is his town meta.

Trfel

7015 Posts

August 15 2015 19:13 GMT

#1814

I'm thinking that Artanis could maybe be mafia here.

Don't really have time to explain it now, but some of his reads really don't make sense to me, and he doesn't care to explain them. He seems to go back and forth between sheeping and pushing his own ideas in a suspicious way. Furthermore, the way he treated his "reads spreadsheets" over the course of the game feels inconsistent, pointless, and suspicious. And it's hard for me to see his vote switch onto me coming from town.

Take a look at his filter.

Damdred

15669 Posts

August 15 2015 19:16 GMT

#1815

idk I probably just misremembered or thought about someone else I suppose.

Chez plays according to the amount of pressure hes under or however much he wants, its not really alignment indicative i'm afraid

Artanis[Xp]

Netherlands12968 Posts

August 15 2015 19:19 GMT

#1816

Okay, I'm happy to lynch Trfel. He's too certain of himself, and too abrasive for Trfel standards.