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On August 12 2015 23:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2015 23:27 rsoultin wrote:On August 12 2015 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2015 23:12 rsoultin wrote:On August 12 2015 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:i totally forgot purplehaze is in the game. There is something he'll probably do if he is mafia. I don't think he has done anything alignment indicative yet. I am amused how can people trust a tone read over actual post-based evidence that a guy is clearly just fucking pulling shit out of his ass. I am sad.  i know what you're keying in on, rayn you're saying how can the guy have different reactions to the same post, whether he's forgotten it or not? and as i said, the whole flavor of his posting is somewhat different this game so i'm not as sure on it here as i was in desert, but i still wouldn't lynch him today. lol i call it tone but it's actually behavior/personality-based and yes i do tend to put more value on a read that considers overarching play over one or two consistencies especially when being inconsistent isn't outside the norm for ruxxy :/ My case i posted is in fact 50% bullshit just because i just realized i misread one of his posts where he says "a post about artanis" into "artanis' post". So what he is doing is he is agreeing that i am right when he SHOULD know i am pushing something he hasn't even actually said or done. Like rsoultin, if someone now made a case on you based on "you called rayn town then now you suddenly call him mafia for no reason" would your response be: 1) "i have not called rayn mafia" or, 2) "yeah i did woopiedoo" ???? o.0 this happened? where? that's not at all what i remember from y'all's argument, though i guess i was kinda reading the thread with a headache yesterday and wishing you all would just choke on bile lol >< My argument was literally this: Show nested quote +On August 12 2015 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i am trying to be as clear as possible:
ruxxar says one of Vivax/Hopeless is mafia
Vivax makes a post.
He says one of them "looks a bit better"
He pushes Vivax (with questioning, but it is essentially the same thing because if he thought Hopeless was mafia then he would Q him instead) also see green
People call him out for the read because it is not clear who is he even talking about
I ask him "which one does look a bit better" (because i have just voted for hopeless)
He says random other things
I tell him to answer clearly
He says "Vivax looks better"
I ask why do you question Vivax then instead of Hopeless?
He says, "because i thought this green post made was by artanis. I fucked up"
I ask him "why did you then push Vivax based on the SAME post. Like if that post is from Artanis (as you thought) why are you pushing Vivax for that post?
dudeeeesssS???? I bolded and underlined the parts that did not actually happen. That's what my argument has always been, yet ruxxar's answer was: Show nested quote +On August 12 2015 04:08 ruXxar wrote:On August 12 2015 04:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2015 04:06 ruXxar wrote:
Ok so I mixed up the order of things and made me look like ass.
I know that.
You do not mix order of things when you are town based on YOUR actions. never. I just did. Woopdeedoo. he has never in fact "missed order of things". He has only made two conclusions on a same post. Like if you are town why the fuck would you not correct this to people? why? whywhywhy?
nh
unless he's basically just ignoring you and not really reading your posts anymore, i have no answer for that
i assumed you were pushing him for what he actually did lol >< bad me
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-throws things at prp-
okay, well, i'll do what i practically never do d1 and actually read his filter when i get back from my optometry appt
ciao
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On August 13 2015 00:22 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You notice alot of stuff "later on" and "don't really care to correct people" or "elaborate well".
Like if you think this is anything but ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE town play then you are just [redacted]...
And i do not believe that, so that makes you mafia. Welcome to my town game. I would've thought you'd have a better read on me after 3 games. When I'm scum I spend up to 30 minutes composing a simple post, making sure I don't blotch what I'm about to say, proof reading, polishing, re evaluating my word usage.Rsoul can attest to this. I hate that way of playing. I have to be mr el logico, all the time. Fuck that's boring. I enjoy being able to say whatever I want and don't case for the consequences. I'm not afraid to get lynched by you rayn. I don't have any scum mates to let down when I die. And even if you manage to do it, It'll haunt you even more knowing you're wrong yet again. You should listen to the people that know me better. They're making your job real easy.
ye this is true -_-
i had to wait an obscenely long time for him to respond and continue with buss rsoul part # nth degree in gaiden lol >< and by the time he got around to posting it...it was basically the same old song
note to self: never double-buss with ruxxy again <3
gotta say, ruxxy...it's rather unbelievable that you know so little about what you yourself have said that you didn't notice the discrepancy sooner. what gives?
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On August 13 2015 01:34 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 01:04 Vivax wrote:On August 13 2015 00:59 ruXxar wrote:On August 13 2015 00:53 Vivax wrote:On August 13 2015 00:39 ruXxar wrote:On August 13 2015 00:11 Vivax wrote:On August 13 2015 00:06 ruXxar wrote:On August 12 2015 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2015 23:12 rsoultin wrote:On August 12 2015 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:i totally forgot purplehaze is in the game. There is something he'll probably do if he is mafia. I don't think he has done anything alignment indicative yet. I am amused how can people trust a tone read over actual post-based evidence that a guy is clearly just fucking pulling shit out of his ass. I am sad. i know what you're keying in on, rayn you're saying how can the guy have different reactions to the same post, whether he's forgotten it or not? and as i said, the whole flavor of his posting is somewhat different this game so i'm not as sure on it here as i was in desert, but i still wouldn't lynch him today. lol i call it tone but it's actually behavior/personality-based and yes i do tend to put more value on a read that considers overarching play over one or two consistencies especially when being inconsistent isn't outside the norm for ruxxy :/ My case i posted is in fact 50% bullshit just because i just realized i misread one of his posts where he says "a post about artanis" into "artanis' post". So what he is doing is he is agreeing that i am right when he SHOULD know i am pushing something he hasn't even actually said or done. Like rsoultin, if someone now made a case on you based on "you called rayn town then now you suddenly call him mafia for no reason" would your response be: 1) "i have not called rayn mafia" or, 2) "yeah i did woopiedoo" ???? I noticed this later but didn't care to correct you. Now can you answer the question I asked you: Do you think scum are more likely to sheep your push or try to defend me? I'll talk to you like you're town for a bit. That's a question you should be able to answer yourself with knowledge of your alignment and me and rayn being the only ones pushing you atm? Trfel I think agreed with us on you. You've been wondering as well in an earlier post how scum would treat you, why are you still unsure? I know what I would do in this situation if I was scum. I would push my own ass 100% just like rayn is doing. Rayb is doing us all a potential service by pushing me, since it creates a polarity between people that increases the chances of exposing mafia motivation. I thnk a vote in me would bring very interesting results. What's clear is that unless rayn is mafia, there's really no need for mafia to put in any effort in pushing me, since rayn is doing all the heavy lifting. The case then balances on how likely that Raymond will be able to push his lynch through on me. If town sentiment turns into a heavy favor of lynching me, then I think scum would favor speaking up in my defense to earn town credit. I don't think scum hard defends me like attains did yesterday unless he was planning to turn the vote back on Ryan somehow, which he clearly wasn't doing either.
From this I surmise that artanis is town. In this push on me, I think mafia are most likely taking soft stances. They have rayan and artanis taking the brunt of the blame either way I flip. Of course they want to lunch me since I'm town, so they'll want to softly nudge town sentiment towards lynching me. But if course mafia don't all want to align on one side if they can help it, so some may be speaking up against my lynch but not trying to actually push someone else.Deconduo fits very well within this frame which is why u suspect him. This doesn't make much sense. First of all, Artanis not using your defense for something doesn't mean anything since it's something he was able to talk about, and that's enough of a reason in itself. But most importantly, he isn't really pushing anything else, he called hopeless a coinflip and put deconduo into the grey zone. He doesn't have anything strong besides his townread on you. So I don't understand why he is so townie to you by your own standards. Because he's hard defending me, when he has nothing to gain.My vote wasn't gaining a lot of momentum to the point where a lunch was inevitable. If my lunch doesn't happen, then he stands nothing to gain. He basically out himself in the line of fire for no apparent town cred, when mafia could've just as easily just stand by and let the mis lynch happen. On August 12 2015 07:48 ruXxar wrote:
Not sure if mafia are defending me or trying to push me or if it's town on town fighting over whether i'm mafia or not.
I'm not going to complain that people are defending me, but I'm curious of what they're trying to accomplish. (Pocketing?)
etc.
So first you wonder whether they're trying to pocket you with a hard defense, showing you are well aware for reasons for mafia to defend you. Yet when I ask you about Artanis all you can see is a townie motivation to do what he did? It irked me that Artanis was taking such a hard defense on me when he barely knows my meta at all. It felt kind if unnatural, but I don't know Artemis meta either so maybe that's how he plays. Trying to evaluate it objectively I think it's a subra mafia play. The fact that he's also trying to push VE is going to make him look doubly ass if VE flips town. That puts attains in a really bad spot and would be a great risk to undertake as scum.
not really sure how much sense this makes?
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not lynching him rayn lol ><
the push on vivax looks fine to me
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On August 13 2015 02:01 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2015 23:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 12 2015 14:40 Trfel wrote:On August 12 2015 05:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:I think Ruxxar, Vivax and Rayn are town. Ruxxar because he's going all gung-ho on this Artanis/Palmar thing on Vivax and I've rarely seen mafia makes posts like this: On August 12 2015 04:06 ruXxar wrote:
Ok so I mixed up the order of things and made me look like ass.
I know that.
So I'm going to put this fuckup behind me and look ahead.
You can hang on in the past and vote me and look like ass when I flip town, or you can move on and we'll find the real mafia. It's the kind of martyring confidence that only comes from town. Why do you say this? I don't see ruXxar being excited about anything, or eager to investigate/push/discuss anything. And I also don't see ruXxar looking ahead and being productive like he says he will, like you townread him for doing (as of the time you made this post, anyway). Please explain. I see Ruxx as being eager to post and continuously explaining his situation, fighting every argument being brought against him (in however poor way he's doing so) and attempting to contribute. A better way of putting it is that the what that he's been doing has been bad (and he has admitted to it as well) but the how he's doing it is so town that I'm very confident that he's town. The words I used were poorly chosen to make this clear but I could name examples of what I mean if you really want me to. I already put up an example earlier in my initial reads. Is this the only reason you're scumreading me? Please do provide examples. I'm not scumreading you, but I'm suspicious of you (pending your explanation of your ruXxar read). I also didn't really like your VisceraEyes push, and these are the two most noteworthy things you've done this game (as of this point in the thread).
truffle wuffle...from what i can make out of ruxxar's post on artie, he came to the exact opposite conclusion you did. watcha think about that?
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he's still prob town, viva
you were in gaiden, and it sounds like you just read it again...this really look like his scum game to you?
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ohhhh
then what was the votecount about?
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mostly okay with your reads, artie lol ><
i'd say hope is more than a coinflip, though. he was pretty eh as cop this last game, too, but he had reads right out the gate. not so here
palmar i refuse to read when he's doing nothing -_- i have enough trouble when he's actually posting
prp also is more of a scumlean for me cause doing nothing for him is actually alignment indicative
not sure what damdy's up to but i'm sticking to my earlier read on him lol >< wouldn't be the first time he afkd
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On August 13 2015 02:26 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 02:20 rsoultin wrote:
he's still prob town, viva
you were in gaiden, and it sounds like you just read it again...this really look like his scum game to you? I considered that already, and I also considered that in Gaiden he was in an entirely different situation, remaining unsuspected until the end of the game. This game I have been trying to force him to go guns blazing with whatever he says, he can't just timidly add little bits like he did at the start of gaiden. How am I supposed to townread him if most of what he says doesn't make sense to a point where he seems like he wouldn't believe it himself, and on top of it me and rayn have to pull the bits of information out of him he doesn't seem to want to share? That was especially evident at the beginning of our conversation.
except that he was quite fluid before you two started hounding him?
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On August 13 2015 02:30 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 02:03 rsoultin wrote:On August 13 2015 02:01 Trfel wrote:On August 12 2015 23:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 12 2015 14:40 Trfel wrote:On August 12 2015 05:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:I think Ruxxar, Vivax and Rayn are town. Ruxxar because he's going all gung-ho on this Artanis/Palmar thing on Vivax and I've rarely seen mafia makes posts like this: On August 12 2015 04:06 ruXxar wrote:
Ok so I mixed up the order of things and made me look like ass.
I know that.
So I'm going to put this fuckup behind me and look ahead.
You can hang on in the past and vote me and look like ass when I flip town, or you can move on and we'll find the real mafia. It's the kind of martyring confidence that only comes from town. Why do you say this? I don't see ruXxar being excited about anything, or eager to investigate/push/discuss anything. And I also don't see ruXxar looking ahead and being productive like he says he will, like you townread him for doing (as of the time you made this post, anyway). Please explain. I see Ruxx as being eager to post and continuously explaining his situation, fighting every argument being brought against him (in however poor way he's doing so) and attempting to contribute. A better way of putting it is that the what that he's been doing has been bad (and he has admitted to it as well) but the how he's doing it is so town that I'm very confident that he's town. The words I used were poorly chosen to make this clear but I could name examples of what I mean if you really want me to. I already put up an example earlier in my initial reads. Is this the only reason you're scumreading me? Please do provide examples. I'm not scumreading you, but I'm suspicious of you (pending your explanation of your ruXxar read). I also didn't really like your VisceraEyes push, and these are the two most noteworthy things you've done this game (as of this point in the thread). truffle wuffle...from what i can make out of ruxxar's post on artie, he came to the exact opposite conclusion you did. watcha think about that? By itself, that doesn't feel important. It's natural for ruXxar, regardless of alignment, to praise Artanis's read and townread him for it. Why do you ask?
you seem entirely unconcerned that he has a different read to yours?
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essentially, truffle, even if you think that has no bearing on his alignment (and that would make sense, it being ruxxy lol ><) shouldn't you be trying to convince him of your point of view? or are you not interested in lynching artanis today?
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zzz
no response from chez
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On August 13 2015 02:34 rsoultin wrote:
essentially, truffle, even if you think that has no bearing on his alignment (and that would make sense, it being ruxxy lol ><) shouldn't you be trying to convince him of your point of view? or are you not interested in lynching artanis today?
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not sure how you lynch someone without convincing people to, truffle lol ><
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well
i'm still at
hopeless/condor/prp @artie
so...ye
any of those you want to lynch, truffle? i don't think i've ever seen artanis' scum game so i've no clue if he's just being super!scum here, but frankly his reads line up with mine enough that i've no interest in lynching him today
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On August 13 2015 02:39 Vivax wrote:
Hopeless, prplhz, Chez and Deconduo are the guys I often end up scumreading when mafia isn't among them and simply does stuff. They are extremely lurky and give very little information as both alignments.
Chez you can read to some extent cause as town he will try to solve the game in one way or another, mixed in with some of his notorious trolling, as opposed to the pure trolling and chaos from mafia chez.
prplhz and hopeless deserve their own category. If they're town they're good lynch bait. As mafia they have the advantage of that reputation and are allowed to stay under the radar without raising much suspicion.
RASPUTINA. You have been pushing these two lynch baits. Hopeless earlier and now prplhz. Do you want the day to be a policy lynch day?
Deconduo seems more readable this game, I actually look forward to him giving us a more complete view of the accusations on ruxxar, and I would like an explanation from him regarding VE's overraction to his soft claim being called out as a reason for him being mafia.
neither are policy lynches. just cause you can't read a player doesn't mean the rest of us can't lol ><
i'm actually pretty good at reading prp (see down under 2 and ignore the idiocy of the last-minute vote change to get a read on palmar >>)
and i already said why this doesn't look like hope's town game
besides which, i think i was one of the first ones trying to get people to comment on condor/lynch him, if not the first?
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not even scummy lurkers? lol ><
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i've got a play date with lex, then
whenever y'all get around to settling on a lynch
ftr, if y'all lynch ruxxy i'm not gonna be very happy -_-
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-squints at chez-
i still don't get this umbrella thing :/
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