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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
August 11 2015 21:26 GMT
#456
On August 12 2015 02:58 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2015 11:23 Trfel wrote:
I know this sounds really stupid, but...

Rsoultin seems a bit towny here. Her opening post felt relaxed, and more importantly, happy to be in the game. Given that rsoultin really doesn't like playing scum, has played scum frequently in her last several games, and had a very frustrating game as town that ended earlier today (despite the game being a victory), it's hard for me to see her actually being happy as mafia this early on in the game.

I hope I'm not making the same mistake yet again T.T


I noticed a couple of people finding fault with this read. I agree that RS's opening posts are enthusiastic, and though I don't know if the rest is true ("Given that rsoultin really doesn't like playing scum"), no one has contradicted this yet, including RS, that I have seen.


Show nested quote +
On August 11 2015 15:51 ruXxar wrote:
Hello team.
My name is ruxxy and I'm a hurricane *whoosh*.
Also am town ^^


Show nested quote +
On August 11 2015 18:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm also claiming Millderer.


Show nested quote +
On August 11 2015 18:02 Palmar wrote:
hey guys I rolled town so pls no lyncherino

not decided yet if I'm going to do things.


I dislike these kind of posts. I don't think they are a tell either way, but I just find them tacky. Yes this is a rant, and is mostly just filler

Show nested quote +
On August 11 2015 22:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hi! I don't like Trfel and my hurricane name is a GIRLS name. Both of those statements make me SOOOOOO angry.


However this I really don't like. I understand the whole WIFOM thing, but really we want to limit this sort of information as much as possible. I don't see how it benefits us, whether its a lie or not.



On August 12 2015 06:10 deconduo wrote:
Even with everyone jumping on ruxx, I don't see anything jump out at me reading through his filter. The mixup looks to be genuine.


Where has the post gone that you disliked son?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
August 11 2015 21:31 GMT
#461
On August 12 2015 06:27 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2015 06:26 Vivax wrote:
On August 12 2015 02:58 deconduo wrote:
On August 11 2015 11:23 Trfel wrote:
I know this sounds really stupid, but...

Rsoultin seems a bit towny here. Her opening post felt relaxed, and more importantly, happy to be in the game. Given that rsoultin really doesn't like playing scum, has played scum frequently in her last several games, and had a very frustrating game as town that ended earlier today (despite the game being a victory), it's hard for me to see her actually being happy as mafia this early on in the game.

I hope I'm not making the same mistake yet again T.T


I noticed a couple of people finding fault with this read. I agree that RS's opening posts are enthusiastic, and though I don't know if the rest is true ("Given that rsoultin really doesn't like playing scum"), no one has contradicted this yet, including RS, that I have seen.


On August 11 2015 15:51 ruXxar wrote:
Hello team.
My name is ruxxy and I'm a hurricane *whoosh*.
Also am town ^^


On August 11 2015 18:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm also claiming Millderer.


On August 11 2015 18:02 Palmar wrote:
hey guys I rolled town so pls no lyncherino

not decided yet if I'm going to do things.


I dislike these kind of posts. I don't think they are a tell either way, but I just find them tacky. Yes this is a rant, and is mostly just filler

On August 11 2015 22:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hi! I don't like Trfel and my hurricane name is a GIRLS name. Both of those statements make me SOOOOOO angry.


However this I really don't like. I understand the whole WIFOM thing, but really we want to limit this sort of information as much as possible. I don't see how it benefits us, whether its a lie or not.



On August 12 2015 06:10 deconduo wrote:
Even with everyone jumping on ruxx, I don't see anything jump out at me reading through his filter. The mixup looks to be genuine.


Where has the post gone that you disliked son?


Show nested quote +
I dislike these kind of posts. I don't think they are a tell either way, but I just find them tacky.



Given your total absence of scumreads I figured you would have pulled out a method of figuring them out by now. If that wasn't it, what have you got to offer?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
August 11 2015 21:32 GMT
#462
On August 12 2015 06:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax can you explain these people why ruxxar is mafia because i am apparently incapable of doing so, Palmar doesn't give any fucks, rsoultin idk, Artanis does not read. I don't know who else to go to.


I think the explanation is that they didn't read properly, or don't care to do so, or to get behind what we were thinking at the time. Given it's day one I don't think it's alignment indicative but I'm not confident I'll be able to convince them by posting more, they will have to convince themselves by gathering the motivation to go back and reread in depth, provided they have that motivation.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
August 11 2015 21:34 GMT
#465
On August 12 2015 06:33 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2015 06:31 Vivax wrote:
On August 12 2015 06:27 deconduo wrote:
On August 12 2015 06:26 Vivax wrote:
On August 12 2015 02:58 deconduo wrote:
On August 11 2015 11:23 Trfel wrote:
I know this sounds really stupid, but...

Rsoultin seems a bit towny here. Her opening post felt relaxed, and more importantly, happy to be in the game. Given that rsoultin really doesn't like playing scum, has played scum frequently in her last several games, and had a very frustrating game as town that ended earlier today (despite the game being a victory), it's hard for me to see her actually being happy as mafia this early on in the game.

I hope I'm not making the same mistake yet again T.T


I noticed a couple of people finding fault with this read. I agree that RS's opening posts are enthusiastic, and though I don't know if the rest is true ("Given that rsoultin really doesn't like playing scum"), no one has contradicted this yet, including RS, that I have seen.


On August 11 2015 15:51 ruXxar wrote:
Hello team.
My name is ruxxy and I'm a hurricane *whoosh*.
Also am town ^^


On August 11 2015 18:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm also claiming Millderer.


On August 11 2015 18:02 Palmar wrote:
hey guys I rolled town so pls no lyncherino

not decided yet if I'm going to do things.


I dislike these kind of posts. I don't think they are a tell either way, but I just find them tacky. Yes this is a rant, and is mostly just filler

On August 11 2015 22:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hi! I don't like Trfel and my hurricane name is a GIRLS name. Both of those statements make me SOOOOOO angry.


However this I really don't like. I understand the whole WIFOM thing, but really we want to limit this sort of information as much as possible. I don't see how it benefits us, whether its a lie or not.



On August 12 2015 06:10 deconduo wrote:
Even with everyone jumping on ruxx, I don't see anything jump out at me reading through his filter. The mixup looks to be genuine.


Where has the post gone that you disliked son?


I dislike these kind of posts. I don't think they are a tell either way, but I just find them tacky.



Given your total absence of scumreads I figured you would have pulled out a method of figuring them out by now. If that wasn't it, what have you got to offer?


Read the last page of the thread maybe?


You mean how you scumread VE cause you don't understand the roleclaim? I think that's bad enough of a justification to be taken into consideration for a proper scumread.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
August 11 2015 21:40 GMT
#469
On August 12 2015 06:37 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2015 06:34 Vivax wrote:
On August 12 2015 06:33 deconduo wrote:
On August 12 2015 06:31 Vivax wrote:
On August 12 2015 06:27 deconduo wrote:
On August 12 2015 06:26 Vivax wrote:
On August 12 2015 02:58 deconduo wrote:
On August 11 2015 11:23 Trfel wrote:
I know this sounds really stupid, but...

Rsoultin seems a bit towny here. Her opening post felt relaxed, and more importantly, happy to be in the game. Given that rsoultin really doesn't like playing scum, has played scum frequently in her last several games, and had a very frustrating game as town that ended earlier today (despite the game being a victory), it's hard for me to see her actually being happy as mafia this early on in the game.

I hope I'm not making the same mistake yet again T.T


I noticed a couple of people finding fault with this read. I agree that RS's opening posts are enthusiastic, and though I don't know if the rest is true ("Given that rsoultin really doesn't like playing scum"), no one has contradicted this yet, including RS, that I have seen.


On August 11 2015 15:51 ruXxar wrote:
Hello team.
My name is ruxxy and I'm a hurricane *whoosh*.
Also am town ^^


On August 11 2015 18:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm also claiming Millderer.


On August 11 2015 18:02 Palmar wrote:
hey guys I rolled town so pls no lyncherino

not decided yet if I'm going to do things.


I dislike these kind of posts. I don't think they are a tell either way, but I just find them tacky. Yes this is a rant, and is mostly just filler

On August 11 2015 22:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hi! I don't like Trfel and my hurricane name is a GIRLS name. Both of those statements make me SOOOOOO angry.


However this I really don't like. I understand the whole WIFOM thing, but really we want to limit this sort of information as much as possible. I don't see how it benefits us, whether its a lie or not.



On August 12 2015 06:10 deconduo wrote:
Even with everyone jumping on ruxx, I don't see anything jump out at me reading through his filter. The mixup looks to be genuine.


Where has the post gone that you disliked son?


I dislike these kind of posts. I don't think they are a tell either way, but I just find them tacky.



Given your total absence of scumreads I figured you would have pulled out a method of figuring them out by now. If that wasn't it, what have you got to offer?


Read the last page of the thread maybe?


You mean how you scumread VE cause you don't understand the roleclaim? I think that's bad enough of a justification to be taken into consideration for a proper scumread.


Show nested quote +
On August 12 2015 06:32 Vivax wrote:
I think the explanation is that they didn't read properly, or don't care to do so.


Do you ever take your own advice?


No need to, I'll just get Ruxxar lynched and then lynch you for being stupid or mafia.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
August 11 2015 22:09 GMT
#482
On August 12 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote:
And if he flips town rayn? Let's live in a world,where ruxxar has mysteriously died where to next


lol
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
August 11 2015 22:10 GMT
#483
WHAT THE F IS THAT LOL
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
August 11 2015 22:11 GMT
#485
Whenever Damdred makes a case, remind me to ask "what if he's the other thing of what you say"
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
August 11 2015 22:22 GMT
#497
On August 12 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
mehhh....


We're only halfway through the day, relax.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
August 12 2015 15:01 GMT
#582
Rayn, can you read mafia ruxxar in Gaiden and tell me what you think?
Starting to think that we're dealing with a brainfarting townie given the different approaches to the game, but I still feel really tempted to keep voting for him.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
August 12 2015 15:11 GMT
#587
On August 13 2015 00:06 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2015 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 12 2015 23:12 rsoultin wrote:
On August 12 2015 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i totally forgot purplehaze is in the game. There is something he'll probably do if he is mafia. I don't think he has done anything alignment indicative yet.

I am amused how can people trust a tone read over actual post-based evidence that a guy is clearly just fucking pulling shit out of his ass. I am sad.


i know what you're keying in on, rayn

you're saying how can the guy have different reactions to the same post, whether he's forgotten it or not? and as i said, the whole flavor of his posting is somewhat different this game so i'm not as sure on it here as i was in desert, but i still wouldn't lynch him today. lol i call it tone but it's actually behavior/personality-based and yes i do tend to put more value on a read that considers overarching play over one or two consistencies

especially when being inconsistent isn't outside the norm for ruxxy :/

My case i posted is in fact 50% bullshit just because i just realized i misread one of his posts where he says "a post about artanis" into "artanis' post".

So what he is doing is he is agreeing that i am right when he SHOULD know i am pushing something he hasn't even actually said or done. Like rsoultin, if someone now made a case on you based on "you called rayn town then now you suddenly call him mafia for no reason" would your response be:
1) "i have not called rayn mafia" or,
2) "yeah i did woopiedoo"

????


I noticed this later but didn't care to correct you.

Now can you answer the question I asked you:
Do you think scum are more likely to sheep your push or try to defend me?


I'll talk to you like you're town for a bit.

That's a question you should be able to answer yourself with knowledge of your alignment and me and rayn being the only ones pushing you atm?

Trfel I think agreed with us on you.

You've been wondering as well in an earlier post how scum would treat you, why are you still unsure?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
August 12 2015 15:53 GMT
#591
On August 13 2015 00:39 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2015 00:11 Vivax wrote:
On August 13 2015 00:06 ruXxar wrote:
On August 12 2015 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 12 2015 23:12 rsoultin wrote:
On August 12 2015 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i totally forgot purplehaze is in the game. There is something he'll probably do if he is mafia. I don't think he has done anything alignment indicative yet.

I am amused how can people trust a tone read over actual post-based evidence that a guy is clearly just fucking pulling shit out of his ass. I am sad.


i know what you're keying in on, rayn

you're saying how can the guy have different reactions to the same post, whether he's forgotten it or not? and as i said, the whole flavor of his posting is somewhat different this game so i'm not as sure on it here as i was in desert, but i still wouldn't lynch him today. lol i call it tone but it's actually behavior/personality-based and yes i do tend to put more value on a read that considers overarching play over one or two consistencies

especially when being inconsistent isn't outside the norm for ruxxy :/

My case i posted is in fact 50% bullshit just because i just realized i misread one of his posts where he says "a post about artanis" into "artanis' post".

So what he is doing is he is agreeing that i am right when he SHOULD know i am pushing something he hasn't even actually said or done. Like rsoultin, if someone now made a case on you based on "you called rayn town then now you suddenly call him mafia for no reason" would your response be:
1) "i have not called rayn mafia" or,
2) "yeah i did woopiedoo"

????


I noticed this later but didn't care to correct you.

Now can you answer the question I asked you:
Do you think scum are more likely to sheep your push or try to defend me?


I'll talk to you like you're town for a bit.

That's a question you should be able to answer yourself with knowledge of your alignment and me and rayn being the only ones pushing you atm?

Trfel I think agreed with us on you.

You've been wondering as well in an earlier post how scum would treat you, why are you still unsure?


I know what I would do in this situation if I was scum.
I would push my own ass 100% just like rayn is doing.

Rayb is doing us all a potential service by pushing me, since it creates a polarity between people that increases the chances of exposing mafia motivation.

I thnk a vote in me would bring very interesting results.

What's clear is that unless rayn is mafia, there's really no need for mafia to put in any effort in pushing me, since rayn is doing all the heavy lifting.

The case then balances on how likely that Raymond will be able to push his lynch through on me.

If town sentiment turns into a heavy favor of lynching me, then I think scum would favor speaking up in my defense to earn town credit.

I don't think scum hard defends me like attains did yesterday unless he was planning to turn the vote back on Ryan somehow, which he clearly wasn't doing either.

From this I surmise that artanis is town
.

In this push on me, I think mafia are most likely taking soft stances.

They have rayan and artanis taking the brunt of the blame either way I flip.

Of course they want to lunch me since I'm town, so they'll want to softly nudge town sentiment towards lynching me.

But if course mafia don't all want to align on one side if they can help it, so some may be speaking up against my lynch but not trying to actually push someone else.

Deconduo fits very well within this frame which is why u suspect him.


This doesn't make much sense. First of all, Artanis not using your defense for something doesn't mean anything since it's something he was able to talk about, and that's enough of a reason in itself.

But most importantly, he isn't really pushing anything else, he called hopeless a coinflip and put deconduo into the grey zone. He doesn't have anything strong besides his townread on you.

So I don't understand why he is so townie to you by your own standards.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
August 12 2015 16:04 GMT
#595
On August 13 2015 00:59 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2015 00:53 Vivax wrote:
On August 13 2015 00:39 ruXxar wrote:
On August 13 2015 00:11 Vivax wrote:
On August 13 2015 00:06 ruXxar wrote:
On August 12 2015 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 12 2015 23:12 rsoultin wrote:
On August 12 2015 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i totally forgot purplehaze is in the game. There is something he'll probably do if he is mafia. I don't think he has done anything alignment indicative yet.

I am amused how can people trust a tone read over actual post-based evidence that a guy is clearly just fucking pulling shit out of his ass. I am sad.


i know what you're keying in on, rayn

you're saying how can the guy have different reactions to the same post, whether he's forgotten it or not? and as i said, the whole flavor of his posting is somewhat different this game so i'm not as sure on it here as i was in desert, but i still wouldn't lynch him today. lol i call it tone but it's actually behavior/personality-based and yes i do tend to put more value on a read that considers overarching play over one or two consistencies

especially when being inconsistent isn't outside the norm for ruxxy :/

My case i posted is in fact 50% bullshit just because i just realized i misread one of his posts where he says "a post about artanis" into "artanis' post".

So what he is doing is he is agreeing that i am right when he SHOULD know i am pushing something he hasn't even actually said or done. Like rsoultin, if someone now made a case on you based on "you called rayn town then now you suddenly call him mafia for no reason" would your response be:
1) "i have not called rayn mafia" or,
2) "yeah i did woopiedoo"

????


I noticed this later but didn't care to correct you.

Now can you answer the question I asked you:
Do you think scum are more likely to sheep your push or try to defend me?


I'll talk to you like you're town for a bit.

That's a question you should be able to answer yourself with knowledge of your alignment and me and rayn being the only ones pushing you atm?

Trfel I think agreed with us on you.

You've been wondering as well in an earlier post how scum would treat you, why are you still unsure?


I know what I would do in this situation if I was scum.
I would push my own ass 100% just like rayn is doing.

Rayb is doing us all a potential service by pushing me, since it creates a polarity between people that increases the chances of exposing mafia motivation.

I thnk a vote in me would bring very interesting results.

What's clear is that unless rayn is mafia, there's really no need for mafia to put in any effort in pushing me, since rayn is doing all the heavy lifting.

The case then balances on how likely that Raymond will be able to push his lynch through on me.

If town sentiment turns into a heavy favor of lynching me, then I think scum would favor speaking up in my defense to earn town credit.

I don't think scum hard defends me like attains did yesterday unless he was planning to turn the vote back on Ryan somehow, which he clearly wasn't doing either.

From this I surmise that artanis is town
.

In this push on me, I think mafia are most likely taking soft stances.

They have rayan and artanis taking the brunt of the blame either way I flip.

Of course they want to lunch me since I'm town, so they'll want to softly nudge town sentiment towards lynching me.

But if course mafia don't all want to align on one side if they can help it, so some may be speaking up against my lynch but not trying to actually push someone else.

Deconduo fits very well within this frame which is why u suspect him.


This doesn't make much sense. First of all, Artanis not using your defense for something doesn't mean anything since it's something he was able to talk about, and that's enough of a reason in itself.

But most importantly, he isn't really pushing anything else, he called hopeless a coinflip and put deconduo into the grey zone. He doesn't have anything strong besides his townread on you.

So I don't understand why he is so townie to you by your own standards.


Because he's hard defending me, when he has nothing to gain.

My vote wasn't gaining a lot of momentum to the point where a lunch was inevitable.

If my lunch doesn't happen, then he stands nothing to gain. He basically out himself in the line of fire for no apparent town cred, when mafia could've just as easily just stand by and let the mis lynch happen.


On August 12 2015 07:48 ruXxar wrote:

Not sure if mafia are defending me or trying to push me or if it's town on town fighting over whether i'm mafia or not.

I'm not going to complain that people are defending me, but I'm curious of what they're trying to accomplish. (Pocketing?)

etc.


So first you wonder whether they're trying to pocket you with a hard defense, showing you are well aware for reasons for mafia to defend you.

Yet when I ask you about Artanis all you can see is a townie motivation to do what he did?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
August 12 2015 16:23 GMT
#599
Ruxxar why isn't Damdred among your scumreads?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
August 12 2015 16:28 GMT
#602
VE how can you be convinced to do Ruxx or Damdred today?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
August 12 2015 17:11 GMT
#609
On August 13 2015 01:34 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2015 01:04 Vivax wrote:
On August 13 2015 00:59 ruXxar wrote:
On August 13 2015 00:53 Vivax wrote:
On August 13 2015 00:39 ruXxar wrote:
On August 13 2015 00:11 Vivax wrote:
On August 13 2015 00:06 ruXxar wrote:
On August 12 2015 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 12 2015 23:12 rsoultin wrote:
On August 12 2015 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i totally forgot purplehaze is in the game. There is something he'll probably do if he is mafia. I don't think he has done anything alignment indicative yet.

I am amused how can people trust a tone read over actual post-based evidence that a guy is clearly just fucking pulling shit out of his ass. I am sad.


i know what you're keying in on, rayn

you're saying how can the guy have different reactions to the same post, whether he's forgotten it or not? and as i said, the whole flavor of his posting is somewhat different this game so i'm not as sure on it here as i was in desert, but i still wouldn't lynch him today. lol i call it tone but it's actually behavior/personality-based and yes i do tend to put more value on a read that considers overarching play over one or two consistencies

especially when being inconsistent isn't outside the norm for ruxxy :/

My case i posted is in fact 50% bullshit just because i just realized i misread one of his posts where he says "a post about artanis" into "artanis' post".

So what he is doing is he is agreeing that i am right when he SHOULD know i am pushing something he hasn't even actually said or done. Like rsoultin, if someone now made a case on you based on "you called rayn town then now you suddenly call him mafia for no reason" would your response be:
1) "i have not called rayn mafia" or,
2) "yeah i did woopiedoo"

????


I noticed this later but didn't care to correct you.

Now can you answer the question I asked you:
Do you think scum are more likely to sheep your push or try to defend me?


I'll talk to you like you're town for a bit.

That's a question you should be able to answer yourself with knowledge of your alignment and me and rayn being the only ones pushing you atm?

Trfel I think agreed with us on you.

You've been wondering as well in an earlier post how scum would treat you, why are you still unsure?


I know what I would do in this situation if I was scum.
I would push my own ass 100% just like rayn is doing.

Rayb is doing us all a potential service by pushing me, since it creates a polarity between people that increases the chances of exposing mafia motivation.

I thnk a vote in me would bring very interesting results.

What's clear is that unless rayn is mafia, there's really no need for mafia to put in any effort in pushing me, since rayn is doing all the heavy lifting.

The case then balances on how likely that Raymond will be able to push his lynch through on me.

If town sentiment turns into a heavy favor of lynching me, then I think scum would favor speaking up in my defense to earn town credit.

I don't think scum hard defends me like attains did yesterday unless he was planning to turn the vote back on Ryan somehow, which he clearly wasn't doing either.

From this I surmise that artanis is town
.

In this push on me, I think mafia are most likely taking soft stances.

They have rayan and artanis taking the brunt of the blame either way I flip.

Of course they want to lunch me since I'm town, so they'll want to softly nudge town sentiment towards lynching me.

But if course mafia don't all want to align on one side if they can help it, so some may be speaking up against my lynch but not trying to actually push someone else.

Deconduo fits very well within this frame which is why u suspect him.


This doesn't make much sense. First of all, Artanis not using your defense for something doesn't mean anything since it's something he was able to talk about, and that's enough of a reason in itself.

But most importantly, he isn't really pushing anything else, he called hopeless a coinflip and put deconduo into the grey zone. He doesn't have anything strong besides his townread on you.

So I don't understand why he is so townie to you by your own standards.


Because he's hard defending me, when he has nothing to gain.

My vote wasn't gaining a lot of momentum to the point where a lunch was inevitable.

If my lunch doesn't happen, then he stands nothing to gain. He basically out himself in the line of fire for no apparent town cred, when mafia could've just as easily just stand by and let the mis lynch happen.


On August 12 2015 07:48 ruXxar wrote:

Not sure if mafia are defending me or trying to push me or if it's town on town fighting over whether i'm mafia or not.

I'm not going to complain that people are defending me, but I'm curious of what they're trying to accomplish. (Pocketing?)

etc.


So first you wonder whether they're trying to pocket you with a hard defense, showing you are well aware for reasons for mafia to defend you.

Yet when I ask you about Artanis all you can see is a townie motivation to do what he did?


It irked me that Artanis was taking such a hard defense on me when he barely knows my meta at all.
It felt kind if unnatural, but I don't know Artemis meta either so maybe that's how he plays.

Trying to evaluate it objectively I think it's a subra mafia play.
The fact that he's also trying to push VE is going to make him look doubly ass if VE flips town.
That puts attains in a really bad spot and would be a great risk to undertake as scum.


Let me sum up what you said so far across different posts:
    Mafia has nothing to gain from defending you.

    Mafia might try to pocket you with that.

    You think it's subpar mafia play to defend you.

    You believe that mafia is likely to be among those who defend you without pushing something of their own.


Now you argue using "but if x flips town it makes him look bad" when it's an argument nobody is able to use reliably at this point.

I find it impossible at this point to believe anything you say.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
August 12 2015 17:13 GMT
#610
It's by far way more likely you're simply scum than a guy who can say so much nonsense as town.

At the very least you should believe into your own opinions, and by doing so remember it.

Yet on multiple instances you forget things you previously said (like you saying that you liked my post earlier), and now that mafia can be among your defenders but then saying that they gain nothing from doing that.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
August 12 2015 17:26 GMT
#615
On August 13 2015 02:20 rsoultin wrote:
he's still prob town, viva

you were in gaiden, and it sounds like you just read it again...this really look like his scum game to you?


I considered that already, and I also considered that in Gaiden he was in an entirely different situation, remaining unsuspected until the end of the game.

This game I have been trying to force him to go guns blazing with whatever he says, he can't just timidly add little bits like he did at the start of gaiden.

How am I supposed to townread him if most of what he says doesn't make sense to a point where he seems like he wouldn't believe it himself, and on top of it me and rayn have to pull the bits of information out of him he doesn't seem to want to share? That was especially evident at the beginning of our conversation.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
August 12 2015 17:39 GMT
#628
Hopeless, prplhz, Chez and Deconduo are the guys I often end up scumreading when mafia isn't among them and simply does stuff. They are extremely lurky and give very little information as both alignments.

Chez you can read to some extent cause as town he will try to solve the game in one way or another, mixed in with some of his notorious trolling, as opposed to the pure trolling and chaos from mafia chez.

prplhz and hopeless deserve their own category. If they're town they're good lynch bait. As mafia they have the advantage of that reputation and are allowed to stay under the radar without raising much suspicion.

RASPUTINA. You have been pushing these two lynch baits. Hopeless earlier and now prplhz. Do you want the day to be a policy lynch day?

Deconduo seems more readable this game, I actually look forward to him giving us a more complete view of the accusations on ruxxar, and I would like an explanation from him regarding VE's overraction to his soft claim being called out as a reason for him being mafia.

Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
August 12 2015 18:57 GMT
#654
On August 13 2015 03:48 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2015 03:36 Damdred wrote:
On August 13 2015 03:25 Trfel wrote:
On August 13 2015 03:21 Damdred wrote:
Ok but have you looked at any of his recent town games?
No, but there's only Newbie Student Mafia XIII and Desert Center Mini Mafia (which doesn't really count). I've read probably half of his town posts on TL Mafia.


so you are giving him scum points for being illogical? Unless I misunderstood?
I think he is likely to be scum because of how he doesn't push his reads and doesn't seem to consider new information. The rest is bonus.


I agree with you on everything in that case.

There's a mini slim chance Ruxxar is just a massively confused town player, but I didn't get that impression he was confused when he was mafia. He would actually try to present logical arguments, what gave him away in Gaiden is that when he was presenting logical somethings with lot of content, they never actually contributed to pursuing his scumreads, at least that's what made me think he was scum on the night I was killed.
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