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On August 06 2015 18:27 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2015 10:53 iGrok wrote:
Scott is the only true lurker at the moment. If Tina starts posting actual content, I'll shift onto him. Right now Tina looks very scummy, for the reasons I stated at the top of this page. So this scott guy is a true lurker: + Show Spoiler +On August 06 2015 04:59 scott31337 wrote:
CONFTOWN AGAIN yayyy
At least I-10's has a lane or two now.
I'll be back later. On August 06 2015 08:41 scott31337 wrote:Are you going to actually do something about it though? I haven't liked much of his posting at all - just like this one of yours. Damd/Rayn town reads so far. Not liking ## Fecalfeast / Rsoultin / Ruxxar##Vote Ruxxar On August 06 2015 08:43 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2015 07:32 ruXxar wrote:On August 06 2015 07:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##vote ruxxar
Here is the thing. He calls out iGrok's post. Okay let's say he thinks it's scummy (which it isn't - it's non-alignment indicative). Then he has random townreads on rsoultin and Damdred (which he should not). Let's still say he somehow manages to have those reads. Then he claims he did not read the thread chronologically (which he should not do if he is town). Okay let's still believe he does that.
Then he has NO FUCKING read on me, on me, who is defending iGrok's (his ONLY scumread) post. No, instead he treats me like a townie with his "hey rayn i wanna help find scum yoyo" post.
dude is mafia.
my reads on rsoultin and damdred are rock solid. 100% they are town, you can quote this post post-game kek Is this because you have TMI?  On August 06 2015 08:50 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2015 08:43 Damdred wrote:
Only one of your scum reads could be scum o think at this point.
Why are you ignoring almost everything and just jumping on rux without even trying to get others alignments? What even makes rux bad or rs His town read that he seemed to have dropped (I felt genuine in my post) and then says you and rsoul are 100% towns and doesn't even mention rayn, myself, etc. I don't like it. Rsoul might be town but I see tons of fluff and very little ideas. FF's post felt like a throw in something and that's it. You and rayn are having solid thoughts and reads. I want to look more into Cop, igrok, KSC, etc. But this yamato guy is not worth mentionning ? + Show Spoiler +On August 06 2015 05:17 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2015 05:14 iGrok wrote:
On a serious note, I will be pushing to lynch lurkers hard this game. Particularly in mountainous setups, activity is all we have to read you on. You lurk, I'm coming for you. what a shitpost On August 06 2015 05:28 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2015 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##vote yamato77
I really want you to elaborate why the best possible approach to an all vanilla game is a shitpost? I was being sarcastic On August 06 2015 05:37 yamato77 wrote:
Yes, really. On August 06 2015 05:41 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2015 05:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
brrr.... idk...
why?
i can't possibly think why? because I wanted to poke at iGrok?
I completely forgot about Yamato! Good catch.
However, I know that the only reason he posted in thread is because I told him that the game had started and he signed on just to troll me. So I wouldn't really consider him to have actually started posting.
Still, if he doesn't start playing today he definitely gets a spot on my hit list.
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On August 06 2015 18:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
iGrok can you comment on the actual cases in the thread?
Like i get your approach but there is no reason to actually discuss the inactives. Everyone knows what you are saying about inactives and active lurkers.
Care to take on onto what me/Rels have posted in the last couple of pages?
As its 6am, I don't have the mental fortitude to go through other people's cases at the moment, but I'll do that tomorrow. Right now I'm just watching Dota 2 and checking the thread occasionally. Unfortunately, some people still don't seem to understand what active lurkers are (Ruxxar, I'm looking at you).
You and Rels have been talking about things but, as I said, I'm not super mentally sharp right now, so I'll go over it tomorrow. I think I said something about EAP earlier today, and also, iirc Shining hadn't even posted before I left for dinner? Could be wrong on that. The point is, tomorrow I'll go through and reassess everyone to figure out who the lurkeriest lurker is.
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Good morning!
@Rayne, I think that this game is forming up to be a clash of mindsets - Old vets like myself, you, and possibly Yamato compared to the newer styles of rsoultin, ruxxar, and... most other people here.
Somehow, there's a mental disconnect preventing communication between the two sides. We need to fix this if we want to win.
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People I know in this game are in green, people I've seen play are in black, and people who are complete strangers are in red. As long as you keep completely missing obvious things, yeah I'm going to act like a cheerleader/coach/wise old mountain sage because as far as I'm concerned, you're all rookies. I'm trying my damnedest to channel my inner Ace here, because anyone who doesn't know what active lurking is is a Jujub and my shoulders aren't strong enough to do this by myself.
1. FecalFeast
2. Yamato77
3. TheShining
4. EdgarAllenPoE
5. Rels
6. Raynpelikoneet
7. CopCake
8. Damdred
9. KelsierSC
10. RuXxar
11.scott31337
12. rsoultin
13. iGrok
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@Rels, Yes, I'm totally trying to separate the town and get people to fight by saying there are two different mindsets at work and we need to improve communication /SARCASM
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On August 06 2015 22:43 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2015 22:41 iGrok wrote:
@Rels, Yes, I'm totally trying to separate the town and get people to fight by saying there are two different mindsets at work and we need to improve communication /SARCASM OK. Explain what is the communication problem between rayn & the rest of town 'cause I don't see it.
Sure, one group understands what active lurking is and the other doesn't. One group realizes that LAL is a great policy to start D1, and the other thinks it isn't.
The circles aren't Town/Mafia or anything like that - I'll welcome anyone in. I'm including Yamato because I've played with him for a long time and I know he'll get it. If he doesn't, ezpz scumread, but he's better than that.
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@rels:
Couldn't sleep, sunburn's a bitch. Pushing through thanks to caffeine. I'm taking care of business (replying to people) first. You do realize I said that 4 hours ago, right?
On August 06 2015 23:03 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2015 22:50 iGrok wrote:On August 06 2015 22:43 Rels wrote:On August 06 2015 22:41 iGrok wrote:
@Rels, Yes, I'm totally trying to separate the town and get people to fight by saying there are two different mindsets at work and we need to improve communication /SARCASM OK. Explain what is the communication problem between rayn & the rest of town 'cause I don't see it. Sure, one group understands what active lurking is and the other doesn't. One group realizes that LAL is a great policy to start D1, and the other thinks it isn't. The circles aren't Town/Mafia or anything like that - I'll welcome anyone in. I'm including Yamato because I've played with him for a long time and I know he'll get it. If he doesn't, ezpz scumread, but he's better than that. Problem I have with your strategy is that lurking is a nebulous term for people of low post activity. Maybe you define lurker differently from me, but lynching people with post count as the only metric without looking at the content if their posts is stupid.
Ruxxar, nowhere did I say that post count was the only metric. If Yamato were to write a 2000-word treatise on each player's relationships with each other, he'd be well on his way to not being a lurker. But low post count means low interaction with other players, which is literally all the information we have to go on.
British Dictionary:
lurking
/ˈlɜːkɪŋ/
adjective
1.
lingering and persistent, though unsuspected or unacknowledged
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@Tina: When I asked you to elaborate, you said, and I quote:
On August 06 2015 07:24 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2015 07:21 iGrok wrote:
What about myself and KSC?
What are your reasons for finding rayne town? ye, reading is a skill ^^
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To post this here, what you just said was:
On August 06 2015 23:09 rsoultin wrote:
{iGrok's} saying my posting is useless, but he won't ask me what i mean on the posts he doesn't understand
others are clearly finding my pushes and points, but he's not, yet he doesn't have the curiosity to see what he is that he's missing? or prove to them that they're wrong and he's right and my posts really are nothing but fluff?
Obvious bullshit.
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@Rels:
I play more mechanically than most people. I'm not going to be nice and cutesy, and I'm going to take the by-GOD truth and run with it. Let me very clearly explain my initial actions:
I see that the setup is Mountainous (all-vanilla). This implies that Day 1 has absolutely no information to base any cases off of. In non-mountainous games, at least one townie has information that others don't - their power role.
This further implies that only Mafia have non-public information.
Together, these mean that mafia can be found by analyzing their actions between other people, comparing how they act to how people with 0 information would likely act.
In order for this strategy to work, all players need high activity, so that their interactions with each other can be analyzed.
This implies that lurking is actively anti-town Day 1.
This implies that pressuring lurkers is pro-town.
This implies that a Lynch-All-Lurkers policy (which iirc TLMafia desperately needs anyways) is pro-town.
A LAL policy will pressure lurkers into posting, or will eliminate them.
Town lurkers who are posting will do one of two things:
A) Come up with a read and reasoning, even if the reasoning is bad. This lets us establish relationships, and is good for town.
B) Sheep someone else's reads because they are lazy. This is bad town play, and deserves a lynch.
Scum lurkers who are posting will do one or more of the following four things:
A) Come up with a read and reasoning, even if the reasoning is bad. This lets us establish relationships, and is good for town.
B) Sheep someone else's reads because they are lazy. This is bad scum play, and deserves a lynch.
C) Post fluff. Fluff is a post that contributes nothing to scumhunting/relationship building, or actively detracts from those.
D) Lie about their activities outside of the game. A townie has no reason to mislead town about their activity levels.
Tina sheeped Ruxxar's reads, posted fluff, and lied about her activity. Does it sound stupid? Petty? Then you need to play better. This is why I'm still voting on Tina, and I will continue to as long as the remaining lurkers wake up and start posting like good townies.
There are other people who did some combination of things, but Tina was the biggest offender.
Tina's probably 50% likely to be mafia, and that's the best possible read so far in the game. There isn't enough activity for good scumreads yet.
We have 3 mislynches this game. I'm more than happy to use one early to kill a null-read lurker over a weak scumread, but right now Tina's the scummiest read assuming all the lurkers start posting. We'll get more information from the scummy player than the null one, and maybe we'll even hit a scum lurker. Again, if that sounds stupid/scummy/anti-town, play better.
If anything, I've strayed too far from the Lynch-all-Lurkers plan because of Tina's reaction, and I need to go harder on the lurkers.
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No shits given, LAL til the day I die.
There's a really interesting 3-person circle, anyone else found it yet?
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When I try to talk to you, you evade, usually by calling my play bad/preachy. So that's pretty much a lost cause.
@Rels: I'm going back over your stuff now.
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@Rels, went back through your conversation with Rayne.
Personally, TS feels like Town-Stupid to me. Ordinarily that's enough for me to be ok with lynching them, but he's mentioned enough people that, as long as he keeps posting, he's worth more alive than dead.
The RX case basically makes itself. If I didn't think I'd get more information out of leaving him alive, I'd lynch him today.
Those were my two takeaways, anything else you specifically wanted to know about?
@rsoultin:
As you apparently cannot read properly formed sentences, I'll let someone else summarize my initial case against you:
On August 06 2015 16:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2015 16:46 ruXxar wrote:
Igroks "case" in rsoul is not a case.
It's just a summary of her posts.
And he takes the time to highlight the posts where she mentions going afk as if that has significance as to why he's voting for her.
It's the worst "case" in the history if cases
F- I am going to clarify you what iGrok says: I think rsoultin is actively lurking which is scummy. She has now: 1) shat on iGrok 2) shat on rayn 3) posted some other things that do not really say nothing She is not saying anything of relevance, therefore she is mafia.
Every time I pressure you, you come back to defend yourself even though you say you are too lazy/busy/afk. Only two types of players do this. Mafia and bad town. Either one is worth lynching.
You're literally sheeping so hard that you're agreeing with contradictory points.
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On August 07 2015 00:56 ruXxar wrote:
5 would lynch today ish in no particular order:
Yamato
Edgar
Igrok
Shining
Fecal feast
Mostly based in feelings, don't remember exactly what they wrote, except that it didn't give me a good town impression.
Mm maybe shining actually posted something nice but don't remember w/e.
Maybe coppy goes on the list but nah, not yet.
This is a list of Lurkers + Me.
But LAL is a bad policy... that you agree with... sometimes... but you think I'm mafia... because I'm pushing to LAL...
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On August 07 2015 01:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2015 00:59 iGrok wrote:On August 07 2015 00:56 ruXxar wrote:
5 would lynch today ish in no particular order:
Yamato
Edgar
Igrok
Shining
Fecal feast
Mostly based in feelings, don't remember exactly what they wrote, except that it didn't give me a good town impression.
Mm maybe shining actually posted something nice but don't remember w/e.
Maybe coppy goes on the list but nah, not yet.
This is a list of Lurkers + Me. But LAL is a bad policy... that you agree with... sometimes... but you think I'm mafia... because I'm pushing to LAL... bwaahahahahhahaha
The "don't remember exactly what they wrote" part literally had me snorting with laughter lol
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On August 07 2015 01:01 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2015 00:57 iGrok wrote:
@Rels, went back through your conversation with Rayne.
Personally, TS feels like Town-Stupid to me. Ordinarily that's enough for me to be ok with lynching them, but he's mentioned enough people that, as long as he keeps posting, he's worth more alive than dead.
The RX case basically makes itself. If I didn't think I'd get more information out of leaving him alive, I'd lynch him today.
Those were my two takeaways, anything else you specifically wanted to know about? No, thanks. Does it make you think that rsoul has the same of Shning than you ?
What does that sentence mean?
"The same" and "than" don't go together, and you're missing a noun. I don't mean to get too grammar nazi on you but changing it around to be a complete sentence could make it a ton of contradictory things.
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On August 07 2015 01:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
iGrok why is Shining more likely to be town-stupid than mafia?
Shining feels town-stupid because it reads like he hit a mental wall when trying to figure out FF and RX, and moved on to other people to try to do something instead of sitting there not sure about those guys.
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Ok, so you're saying, "Do you find it interesting that RS has the same read of TS as you?"
I don't really, because RS's reads seem to be mostly sheeped off other people.
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On August 07 2015 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2015 01:07 iGrok wrote:On August 07 2015 01:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
iGrok why is Shining more likely to be town-stupid than mafia? Shining feels town-stupid because it reads like he hit a mental wall when trying to figure out FF and RX, and moved on to other people to try to do something instead of sitting there not sure about those guys. well this doesn't make quite much sense tbh...
If I'm town-stupid, and I see a connection but I'm not sure what to make of it, I bring it up so that other people might notice it, regardless of how important it might really be. Then, if I still can't decide what to make of it after getting feedback, I'll pause that line of investigation and move on to something else. At this point, its pretty easy to forget about the initial connection that I saw but couldn't decide about.
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On August 07 2015 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2015 01:07 iGrok wrote:On August 07 2015 01:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
iGrok why is Shining more likely to be town-stupid than mafia? Shining feels town-stupid because it reads like he hit a mental wall when trying to figure out FF and RX, and moved on to other people to try to do something instead of sitting there not sure about those guys. why does this make sense to you iGrok because his post literally ends with "i have to reread to get a better read on those two people", then he posts his other stuff 5min later (which means he was never going to reread in the first place). How do you come up with this "mental wall" given the facts?
Three possibilities: He re-read and couldn't get anywhere, so he moved on.
He re-read and noticed something else that drew his attention.
He noticed something when he posted initially that drew his attention.
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