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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 29 2015 09:38 GMT
#1164
On July 28 2015 02:39 boxerfred wrote:
I actually think we should go for someone who tried to stop the scum train:

scott31337 (4): boxerfred, Hopeless1der, FirmTofu, GlowingBear, FirmTofu

That would include me.

So, regarding me:

- I'm town. Har har, I can tell from my role PM.
- I was the first on scott so technically, I didn't jump a train but instead stayed on who I chose to vote for.

Hopeless1ider:

Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 08:59 Hopeless1der wrote:
Anyone interested in contesting the claims or are we going to just ignore that? For reference, my thoughts are onegu good, rayn indifferent.

I also don't get how Palmar literally claiming Mafia is conducive to being "blunt and to the point" as town.

Or kenpachI ruling people. Someone teach me how to kenpachI rule.


This is really a concerning post. Like "interested in contesting" - the usage of this word implies that the claim is not legit. Also while it appears like a proactive thing, trying to raise interest, there is no follow up to it when such thoughts didn't get much grip.

Reading his filter:
He says something on palmar, then on scott (casts his vote on him), a bit on Onegut ("Null/town lean") and a bit of blabla ("can't read him") on Rayn. Lots of flailing, nothing that's really helpful for town, not in the slightest tbh.

GlowingBear:

Well he did a huge case on Kelsier D1, biggest argument being

Show nested quote +
4) HE IS VOTING TOFU INSTEAD OF SCOTT

HE IS FUCKING VOTING TOFU INSTEAD OF SCOTT. SCOTT WAS THE FIRST GUY TO ANNOY HIM (AND KELSIER WOULD LYNCH PEOPLE DOING THAT)! Why he doesn't prefer a scott lynch? Hell, a lot of people thinks he is mafia! Instead of going against the guy that certainly looked as mafia for him, he is going against questionmark!Tofu. More than that, he wasn't advocating for a lynch on Scott, but opened a range of possible lynches he would go against (tofu, scott, obi, clarity).
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, PEOPLE! COME ON!!!


Well. That'd be a bit of way-too-hardcore bussing wouldn't it? Although I think KSC actually is capable of doing it, he bussed and double bussed in Gaiden, too. However how likely is it to role scum twice in a row? Not too likely. I know this is not bullet proof but it's another indicator of KSC being town.

However, his case doesn't get grip. But by that time, Tofu has 5 votes upon him and it becomes rather likely that he'd be the lynch! GB knows that, he already soft defends Tofu:

Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 04:37 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 27 2015 04:33 rsoultin wrote:
@ GB

1. he's used his posts to contribute and make reads - point is wrong
2. could be if the point is the very last sentence...but i interpreted it as him saying that (scott? i think it was?) shouldn't be shutting down my reads just because he thought ksc was "scummiest"
3. yeah, null read is null here still - point is wrong
4. you're still stuck on "annoyance" meaning that ksc thinks you're scum - point is wrong

the only point that holds any water here, gb, is the second, just as rayn said, and frankly i can still easily see it coming from town so it doesn't outweigh all the things that i think makes ksc town this game


Well, I think point 2 is damning enough.

I can get what you're saying about the others.

But, as I stated, he repeatedly deflected pressure. It wasn't only on that post. He never answered my other pushes on him, he shut snickers down too.

I think it's very damning

I don't see the points on tofu. I do see the point on scott


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On July 27 2015 05:00 GlowingBear wrote:
Rayn we have so much information to deal with tofu tomorrow. Scott and clarity are way better lynches


Then, he joins the train:

Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 05:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Nah actually I'm voting tofu

I just saw that he is clearly voting every other wagon other than him.

##vote: FirmTofu


He does that, being the 6th vote. He brings up a totally NEW reason though, like as if he had to justify why he jumps the train on Tofu. However 20 minutes later, he again starts soft defending Tofu, indirectly:

Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 05:35 GlowingBear wrote:
Palmar, lynch Scott
Or, if you want to do the correct thing, lynch keksier


Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 05:39 GlowingBear wrote:
Town isn't bad, any of these options are okay lynches, I just think we have better targets other than tofu (I.e. Scummy lurkers)

The possibility of having a Mafia between one of those is high

Also, note how he says "scummy lurkers" without any follow up though. Like, 0 follow up.

Next up, scott:

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On July 27 2015 05:51 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 27 2015 05:49 scott31337 wrote:
On July 27 2015 05:25 Snickers wrote:
unless you have a very very very very strong read as scott mafia get off of him and vote clarity.

unless you have a very strong read on tofu get off of him.

if you have a smidgen of thought that clairty could possibly be scum vote him.


Tofu is waffling pretty badly right now and I get this mafia feeling to try to pull off of him - so I do have a pretty strong (or strongest) at this time on him.


I must say I also think it could be possible

Scott, who are the Mafia doing that?

So the guy he wants to hang (of course along with KSC) says something about an obscure feeling and GB simply asks who scott is referring to? Well, GB (as quoted above!) actually says quite a lot of times that Tofu is not a good lynch. That clarity is better. Kelsier is better. Scott is better. How is he so sure?

He then goes on with some words on mafia trying to get another train than tofu running. And BOOM, GB tries to get another train starting:

Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 06:28 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 27 2015 05:40 scott31337 wrote:
On July 27 2015 04:44 KelsierSC wrote:
I thought scott was scummy, I posted a quote of his that was scummy.

Yes superb evidence, it really makes me look "terrible"

can we lynch tofu already.


Why do I get this feeling we are right on Tofu and mafia are trying to get us to swap?


On July 27 2015 05:49 scott31337 wrote:
On July 27 2015 05:25 Snickers wrote:
unless you have a very very very very strong read as scott mafia get off of him and vote clarity.

unless you have a very strong read on tofu get off of him.

if you have a smidgen of thought that clairty could possibly be scum vote him.


Tofu is waffling pretty badly right now and I get this mafia feeling to try to pull off of him - so I do have a pretty strong (or strongest) at this time on him.


On July 27 2015 05:57 scott31337 wrote:
On July 27 2015 05:51 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 27 2015 05:49 scott31337 wrote:
On July 27 2015 05:25 Snickers wrote:
unless you have a very very very very strong read as scott mafia get off of him and vote clarity.

unless you have a very strong read on tofu get off of him.

if you have a smidgen of thought that clairty could possibly be scum vote him.


Tofu is waffling pretty badly right now and I get this mafia feeling to try to pull off of him - so I do have a pretty strong (or strongest) at this time on him.


I must say I also think it could be possible

Scott, who are the Mafia doing that?


I do not know if you are mafia but you seem to be fighting his lynch pretty strongly (posted your case on Kelsier a couple hours ago when it looked like Tofu's getting the noose when maybe it would be better for day 2, asked rayn to vote me, asked palmar to vote me, etc.)


On July 27 2015 06:14 scott31337 wrote:
I have just re-read Clarity's filter, never mind it's really bad - a vote on me and a comment on Hopeless's post (although Hopeless did a bit better) and nothing much else.

I could vote for him too.


Thought process does not compute.

You think Tofu is Mafia
Then you say Mafia is trying to take people out of the tofu wagon.
The alternate wagon is clarity. I suppose you may think Mafia could be there.
But you call Mafia people that were in other wagons and does not consider people that moved to the clarity wagon.
You even raise suspicions on me but you don't call me Mafia (?), what's the point then?
Then you dive clarity and suddenly he is bad? What about Mafia protecting tofu by forming another wagon?????

Your thought process makes no sense and it completely fits Mafia perspective

GUYS VOTE SCOTT PLEASE


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On July 27 2015 06:35 GlowingBear wrote:
I mean, if you THINK Mafia is trying to take votes off of Mafia!Tofu you MUST consider they are forming the alternate wagon INSTEAD of ignoring people forming the alternate wagon and placing votes somewhere else. There is no other option

EVEN if you believed in what you just said, it would make me completely Mafia, and not just something you would say "I don't know you're Mafia". Then other Mafia are boxerfred (?) and PROBABLY A VET? Why a vet, which vet, why not me.

Then you simply say you could lynch clarity, man. You just said Mafia was taking votes off of tofu.

You can't me town.

PEOPLE PLEASE, SCOTT CAN'T BE TOWN


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On July 27 2015 06:45 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 27 2015 06:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Yeah we don't have the people to switch to scott.
Even then I still want to lynch FT.

Let's go with that.


This is bullshit, we only need 3 more votes on scott


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On July 27 2015 06:54 GlowingBear wrote:
God!!! It's so clear his thought process is fabricsted!!!!! Fucking vote him!!!!!



So yeah. I'm pretty convinced that GB is scum.


How is Onegu not damning GB for that but only me? ASKDHALSKDHSALDKHSALDKASHJDLKASHDLKSAHSA Seriously Onegu scum

bye
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 29 2015 09:39 GMT
#1165
lynch gb + onegu, probably we'll be fine then
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 29 2015 18:01 GMT
#1244
##give 20 posts to Snickers

I like the "lynch GB" direction and strongly suggest that my case on him gets re-read. I'll be here from now until EoD.

Onegu, until you do something useful apart from scumreading me, I'll just ignore you.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 29 2015 18:05 GMT
#1249
My town reads are scott for the palmar claim reaction, hopeless for the un-cc-ed claim, kelsier for a tone thingy (feels really different from the scum games i played with him).

Given Onegu's behaviour, I'd suggest a cop check if possible or probably a vigi shot if possible. We don't need lurkers that do not contribute at all, not now, not later, not in lylo.

Top scum read is GB, as before. Clarity gonna be modkilled and I feel it's not a bad thing to happen. Last minute replacement would suck ass tbh.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 29 2015 18:06 GMT
#1252
I just got host-sniped.

That really sucks, such a late replacement. Like I feel GB is town but also Clarity was playing really horrible which I'm not seeing him do anytime soon as town. However his IRL reasons were legit then, so it might've come from this. Bah!

If Ala is now gonna hardcore lurk I'll be frustrated as fuck.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 29 2015 18:07 GMT
#1257
OWS, why is your vote still on the un-cc-ed cop?
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 29 2015 18:08 GMT
#1258
36/60.

boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 29 2015 18:10 GMT
#1260
Boom, another thought on scott: why did he insta-believe both cop claims? Is that a scum tmi slip? In both cases he did not wait for a possible CC. Makes me re-think my town read.

37/60
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 29 2015 18:11 GMT
#1262
On July 30 2015 03:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2015 03:07 boxerfred wrote:
OWS, why is your vote still on the un-cc-ed cop?


I'm not voting the uncc'd cop?

My bad, just saw it. Messed up. 38/60
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 29 2015 18:11 GMT
#1264
On July 30 2015 03:10 Hopeless1der wrote:
you can only donate up to 10 posts total.

my bad

##give 10 posts to snickers

39/70
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 29 2015 18:18 GMT
#1270
Late replacement into "not gonna be there anytime soon"

so cool

40/70
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 29 2015 18:27 GMT
#1277
On July 30 2015 03:23 Alakaslam wrote:
See, boxer thinks whining about me coming late is a legit excuse to waste a post and snickers also feels this is just A-OK when he has a wealth of posts now, versus explaining his shit and chilling out on the posts- nope, he goes wasting them

Classic mafia post restriction game play, prove me wrong I dare you

Yeah and I played in 100 post restriction games already so this is exactly my tactic. Read the fucking rest, I've been pissed the whole day.

You know what I don't like?

1. "I'll be back next day and read up"
2. "Those two guys are scum because I just read two posts of them"

This is a great way to come back in a game when you just replaced a scum player who was under pressure anyways.

I can see clarity/GB scum team.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 29 2015 18:51 GMT
#1289
What I dislike about hope is that he still has his vote on me. There are way better lynches.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 29 2015 18:53 GMT
#1290
so please let's lynch between GB and clarity.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 29 2015 19:29 GMT
#1293
that's bullshit obi

go lynch gb
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 29 2015 19:30 GMT
#1294
literally noone ever really commented on my case though snickers stole it. i can't even.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 29 2015 19:57 GMT
#1303
On July 30 2015 04:44 rsoultin wrote:
47/80

lol at least prof cancelled lab

wth are you people running around like chickens with your heads cut off? we have over 2 hours left before the lynch

order of business:
- hopeless claimed cop. if you are the real cop and you're not ccing him, you are wrong
- scott could be gf but statistically the chances are higher he's town assuming hope isn't cc'd. off the table in a 2 hr crunch
- slam needs to hard claim jailer/banisher if he is one. he's getting shot tonight if he's town and doesn't claim it anyway, and it removes the ridiculous ambiguity snickers started in the first place

i am not lynching gb
i'm not scum

if slam doesn't hard claim, i'm sorely tempted to lynch him, but will consider leaving it another day for him to get caught up

we need to discuss the lynch, be organized, and consolidate

i'm thinking bf but it's more poe than anything. what does everyone got?

scum has 1 kp and you say they kill the not-claimed jailor over the claimed cop? that's a highly scummy post, as the fact that you're not willing to vote GB this openly is.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 29 2015 20:43 GMT
#1328
On July 30 2015 05:26 rsoultin wrote:
53/80

i think scum is between

bf/scott/palmar/slam

i'm really not sure on which of these 4 are mafia but i have decent reasons to townread everyone else

you said like 2 min ago that slam is dead next night. scott is as green as it gets. check by uncced cop, reactions to claims, voted by ft. leaves palmar and me. your reads are bullshit rsoul
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 29 2015 20:51 GMT
#1333
why exactly would GB/clarity not make sense, kelsier?
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 29 2015 21:14 GMT
#1353
On July 30 2015 06:11 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2015 06:10 Palmar wrote:
[b]##unvote
##vote rsoultin[b]

Reasoning is mostly PoE.

I don't want to lynch GB because he's been such an asshole. I have already at length discussed why I didn't want to lynch my strong townreads (scott and snickers) and the lurkers (onegu and slam). Hopeless is an unccd blue when we have none except the named townie so far so there is no reason to doubt it.

This leaves

Kelsier
Boxer
rsoultin
OWS

They all have good shots of being mafia.

Boxer because I don't notice him (and I haven't had time to re-read him). Rsoultin because of her reaction to my fakeclaim (and rayn scumread her for some reason). OWS because he's been completely shit and useless throughout the game and just agrees with whatever the common sentiment is at that time (or at least I feel that way) and kelsier because he is somewhat lacking in effort and was way too annoyed at the beginning of the game.

Kelsier is the one I'd first remove from the equation, the remaining three I will support a lynch on all of them with a slight preference for rsoultin and OWS over boxer mostly because I don't feel I have anything scummy actually on boxer.


63/80

bullshit

bring a fucking case or consolidate on the player who will protect your townread. it's that fucking simple. your vote is doing nothing

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