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10/80
EBWOP #2:
Either way, with lynching between rsoul and Palmar we lynch between the most active players and I don't like that idea D2.
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On July 29 2015 01:59 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2015 01:38 boxerfred wrote:Palmar's currently putting a lot of effort in. But those posts really seem like "you know, on the one hand, can be this way, on the other hand, can be that way." That feels really wishy washy, opposing the "you're scum as fuck" push on rsoultin. I re-read rsoultin's stuff on Clarity and it feels reasonable and townie to me. Palmar on the other hand makes a meh defense of clarity, mainly "look he got irl stuff so I believe it so don't lynch". After the lurker experience of Gaiden I'm actually fond of the idea of policy lynching afk's, namely Clarity and Onegu (although I still think the claim is genuine). On July 28 2015 09:17 rsoultin wrote:2/80 ... meh -_- i really don't think he's scum, is the problem. like, i still think this is unlikely to come from a scummate as soon as ft enters the game? On July 25 2015 11:09 GlowingBear wrote:
I don't think you're playing? ^ GB should have known FT was playing if they were scum together? i kinda think maybe he's a miller? cause i kinda think palmar doesn't fake-claim cop here? This is the post Palmar scumread rsoul for after his fake cop claim. Tbh, I had the same thought, so go ahead and read me scum if you want to. My second thought was "Hm, unlikely given that there's a framer in already" but hey, who knows. I think this post is NAI. I can see the possibility of town palmar vs. town rsoultin here. Thought of that already when I said that they are probably not the same alignment, however I think that was a false prerequisite. I have no indicators that they have opposite alignments. So what I would suggest is that we lynch into Clarity instead of choosing between those wagons. The fact that both wagons started rolling rather quickly seems to me as if scum would be fine with lynching any of those two. Also I want to point out that my scum read on GB still stands. I think he soft defended so often, directly and indirectly, that he's still my top scum read. So if anyone wants to get aboard a GB wagon, just let me know. ##unvote
##vote Clarity_nl I'm starting to not believe you're town. You agree that palmar looks scummy, you agree that clarity is a good lynch, and you still scumread me? You think I'm double bussing? You've made a huge case on me but never fully went against me. Why?
Dude, my vote was on you until I switched to clarity. I said in the post you quoted that you're still my top scum read. However I can't get a wagon going on you, so I switch.
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I should add that you're still my top scum read but only skimmed your stuff D2, so that might be subject to change, yes. I think my case is quite good though.
12/80
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Oh, good catch! Missed that.
Hm, I read your post on Palmar with a "oh GB's a scumread of me, don't care too much" mindset. Hm. After rereading, I think those are strong points. However, my case on you is strong, too.
Okay. So for today and for me, it's clarity or Palmar lynch, nothing else. If Palmar flips town though, I'd go after GB in an instant.
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I'm not too sure on a Palmar lynch however. Would still prefer Clarity. The flip would probably give us a lot of information.
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15/80
boxerfred
I've said multiple times in mafia that the players I ignore tend to be mafia. If this is true, boxerfred is always mafia. I can hardly remember anything he has posted this game, which means it's been mostly boring and/or useless.
This is gonna be a really good filter for me to read
This is bullshit, Palmar. I did two huge posts that should be at least memorable.
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well I'm around and will look in the thread for the next 3-4 hours, so let me know if there's something
16/80
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On July 29 2015 04:46 Onegu wrote:
You are all Dumb or me and rayn were the only town this game. YOU WANT TO FUCKING LYNCH ME?!!! LYNCH FUCKING ONEGU? THE CONFIRMED TOWN. YOU EVEN ALL SAY YOU BELIEVE MY CLAIM BUT WANT TO LYNCH ME ANYWAY. THE GUY WHO WAS THE FIRST TO SAY HE DIDNT LIKE FT AND THE SECOND PERSON TO VOTE HIM?
end rant
I guess palmar looks ok, not good for putting it out there
BF looks terrible for agreeing with it.
"im confirmed town and won't bother playing the game now and simply lurk"
gtfo, back to your lurk grounds.
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this is game is not fun to play at all with onegu and snickers involved.
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On July 29 2015 05:30 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Onegu I don't even know why you want to lynch rso anymore.
iirc she made a bunch of posts and you haven't even commented on them or anything. Afaik you've ignored her for almost two days.
He also missed that I'm not agreeing with Palmar on lynching Onegu but instead am saying that I'm fine with a policy afk lynch on people, namely Clarity. Huge pile of shit.
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On July 29 2015 05:33 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2015 05:28 boxerfred wrote:
this is game is not fun to play at all with onegu and snickers involved. Nope onegu is awesome. <3
No. Bye.
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On July 29 2015 12:55 Snickers wrote:GLOW BEAR IS MAFA
gb is mafia because he hard defended firm tofu day one and did not push scott. if you asked gb he would say snickers is a fucking dumbass and he pushed scott but lets look at the details.
gb comes with an interesting time with his kelsier push. it could be seen as a time to start a kelsier wagon in order to protect firm tofu. but thats not too scummy.
as the day goes on gb votes fly everywhere from keslier to firm tofu to scott. he also talks about wanting to lynch clarity.
at the end of the day here are the final votes
On July 27 2015 07:05 Half the Sky wrote:Night 1(edited for vote tracker) Final Day 1 Vote Count FirmTofu (6): raynpelikoneet, Onegu, KelsierSC, rsoultin, ObiWanShinobi, scott31337, GlowingBear, Palmar scott31337 (4): boxerfred, Hopeless1der, FirmTofu, GlowingBear, FirmTofu clarity_nl (1): rsoultin, Palmar, rsoultin, SnickersHopeless1der (1): raynpelikoneet, Clarity_nl, scott31337boxerfred (1): Snickers, Snickers KelsierSC (0): Snickers, GlowingBear, FirmTofuraynpelikoneet (0): Palmarrsoultin (0): Onegu, Snickerspalmar (0): FirmTofuAs the wind blows, FirmTofu is staring death in the face.
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before the final votes gb claims he pushed scott hard but in reality he defended firm tofu. Why?
because this is a list of the people he asked to not vote firm tofu and to go to scott.
Rayn, Palmar, kelsier
he also told rayn to vote clairty earlier and he told palmar to vote kelsier earlier. all over the place with who to lynch but not who to not lynch.
ALSO MORE IMPORTANTLY
he never asks me, clarity or rsoultin to switch are votes to scott. Why wouldnt he if he wanted scott to be lynched?
gb also claims kelsier can not be scum because firm tofu pushed him. but firmtofu also pushed scott.
i think this was a way to not seem like for it to be scummy to ask kelsier to switch to scott. cause why ask scum read from day one (who you posted a huge post on) to go to scott.
Like, really? Not like that is what I brought up earlier.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 28 2015 02:39 boxerfred wrote:I actually think we should go for someone who tried to stop the scum train: scott31337 (4): boxerfred, Hopeless1der, FirmTofu, GlowingBear, FirmTofu That would include me. So, regarding me: - I'm town. Har har, I can tell from my role PM. - I was the first on scott so technically, I didn't jump a train but instead stayed on who I chose to vote for. Hopeless1ider: Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 08:59 Hopeless1der wrote:
Anyone interested in contesting the claims or are we going to just ignore that? For reference, my thoughts are onegu good, rayn indifferent.
I also don't get how Palmar literally claiming Mafia is conducive to being "blunt and to the point" as town.
Or kenpachI ruling people. Someone teach me how to kenpachI rule.
This is really a concerning post. Like "interested in contesting" - the usage of this word implies that the claim is not legit. Also while it appears like a proactive thing, trying to raise interest, there is no follow up to it when such thoughts didn't get much grip. Reading his filter: He says something on palmar, then on scott (casts his vote on him), a bit on Onegut ("Null/town lean") and a bit of blabla ("can't read him") on Rayn. Lots of flailing, nothing that's really helpful for town, not in the slightest tbh. GlowingBear: Well he did a huge case on Kelsier D1, biggest argument being Show nested quote +4) HE IS VOTING TOFU INSTEAD OF SCOTT
HE IS FUCKING VOTING TOFU INSTEAD OF SCOTT. SCOTT WAS THE FIRST GUY TO ANNOY HIM (AND KELSIER WOULD LYNCH PEOPLE DOING THAT)! Why he doesn't prefer a scott lynch? Hell, a lot of people thinks he is mafia! Instead of going against the guy that certainly looked as mafia for him, he is going against questionmark!Tofu. More than that, he wasn't advocating for a lynch on Scott, but opened a range of possible lynches he would go against (tofu, scott, obi, clarity).
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, PEOPLE! COME ON!!! Well. That'd be a bit of way-too-hardcore bussing wouldn't it? Although I think KSC actually is capable of doing it, he bussed and double bussed in Gaiden, too. However how likely is it to role scum twice in a row? Not too likely. I know this is not bullet proof but it's another indicator of KSC being town. However, his case doesn't get grip. But by that time, Tofu has 5 votes upon him and it becomes rather likely that he'd be the lynch! GB knows that, he already soft defends Tofu: Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 04:37 GlowingBear wrote:On July 27 2015 04:33 rsoultin wrote:
@ GB
1. he's used his posts to contribute and make reads - point is wrong
2. could be if the point is the very last sentence...but i interpreted it as him saying that (scott? i think it was?) shouldn't be shutting down my reads just because he thought ksc was "scummiest"
3. yeah, null read is null here still - point is wrong
4. you're still stuck on "annoyance" meaning that ksc thinks you're scum - point is wrong
the only point that holds any water here, gb, is the second, just as rayn said, and frankly i can still easily see it coming from town so it doesn't outweigh all the things that i think makes ksc town this game Well, I think point 2 is damning enough. I can get what you're saying about the others. But, as I stated, he repeatedly deflected pressure. It wasn't only on that post. He never answered my other pushes on him, he shut snickers down too. I think it's very damning I don't see the points on tofu. I do see the point on scott Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 05:00 GlowingBear wrote:
Rayn we have so much information to deal with tofu tomorrow. Scott and clarity are way better lynches Then, he joins the train: Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 05:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Nah actually I'm voting tofu
I just saw that he is clearly voting every other wagon other than him.
##vote: FirmTofu He does that, being the 6th vote. He brings up a totally NEW reason though, like as if he had to justify why he jumps the train on Tofu. However 20 minutes later, he again starts soft defending Tofu, indirectly: Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 05:35 GlowingBear wrote:
Palmar, lynch Scott
Or, if you want to do the correct thing, lynch keksier Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 05:39 GlowingBear wrote:
Town isn't bad, any of these options are okay lynches, I just think we have better targets other than tofu (I.e. Scummy lurkers)
The possibility of having a Mafia between one of those is high Also, note how he says "scummy lurkers" without any follow up though. Like, 0 follow up. Next up, scott: Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 05:51 GlowingBear wrote:On July 27 2015 05:49 scott31337 wrote:On July 27 2015 05:25 Snickers wrote:
unless you have a very very very very strong read as scott mafia get off of him and vote clarity.
unless you have a very strong read on tofu get off of him.
if you have a smidgen of thought that clairty could possibly be scum vote him. Tofu is waffling pretty badly right now and I get this mafia feeling to try to pull off of him - so I do have a pretty strong (or strongest) at this time on him. I must say I also think it could be possible Scott, who are the Mafia doing that? So the guy he wants to hang (of course along with KSC) says something about an obscure feeling and GB simply asks who scott is referring to? Well, GB (as quoted above!) actually says quite a lot of times that Tofu is not a good lynch. That clarity is better. Kelsier is better. Scott is better. How is he so sure? He then goes on with some words on mafia trying to get another train than tofu running. And BOOM, GB tries to get another train starting: Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 06:28 GlowingBear wrote:On July 27 2015 05:40 scott31337 wrote:On July 27 2015 04:44 KelsierSC wrote:
I thought scott was scummy, I posted a quote of his that was scummy.
Yes superb evidence, it really makes me look "terrible"
can we lynch tofu already. [red]Why do I get this feeling we are right on Tofu and mafia are trying to get us to swap? On July 27 2015 05:49 scott31337 wrote:On July 27 2015 05:25 Snickers wrote:
unless you have a very very very very strong read as scott mafia get off of him and vote clarity.
unless you have a very strong read on tofu get off of him.
if you have a smidgen of thought that clairty could possibly be scum vote him. [red]Tofu is waffling pretty badly right now and I get this mafia feeling to try to pull off of him - so I do have a pretty strong (or strongest) at this time on him. On July 27 2015 05:57 scott31337 wrote:On July 27 2015 05:51 GlowingBear wrote:On July 27 2015 05:49 scott31337 wrote:On July 27 2015 05:25 Snickers wrote:
unless you have a very very very very strong read as scott mafia get off of him and vote clarity.
unless you have a very strong read on tofu get off of him.
if you have a smidgen of thought that clairty could possibly be scum vote him. Tofu is waffling pretty badly right now and I get this mafia feeling to try to pull off of him - so I do have a pretty strong (or strongest) at this time on him. I must say I also think it could be possible Scott, who are the Mafia doing that? I do not know if you are mafia but you seem to be fighting his lynch pretty strongly (posted your case on Kelsier a couple hours ago when it looked like Tofu's getting the noose when maybe it would be better for day 2, asked rayn to vote me, asked palmar to vote me, etc.) On July 27 2015 06:14 scott31337 wrote:
I have just re-read Clarity's filter, never mind it's really bad - a vote on me and a comment on Hopeless's post (although Hopeless did a bit better) and nothing much else.
I could vote for him too. Thought process does not compute. You think Tofu is Mafia Then you say Mafia is trying to take people out of the tofu wagon. The alternate wagon is clarity. I suppose you may think Mafia could be there. But you call Mafia people that were in other wagons and does not consider people that moved to the clarity wagon. You even raise suspicions on me but you don't call me Mafia (?), what's the point then? Then you dive clarity and suddenly he is bad? What about Mafia protecting tofu by forming another wagon????? Your thought process makes no sense and it completely fits Mafia perspective GUYS VOTE SCOTT PLEASE Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 06:35 GlowingBear wrote:
I mean, if you THINK Mafia is trying to take votes off of Mafia!Tofu you MUST consider they are forming the alternate wagon INSTEAD of ignoring people forming the alternate wagon and placing votes somewhere else. There is no other option
EVEN if you believed in what you just said, it would make me completely Mafia, and not just something you would say "I don't know you're Mafia". Then other Mafia are boxerfred (?) and PROBABLY A VET? Why a vet, which vet, why not me.
Then you simply say you could lynch clarity, man. You just said Mafia was taking votes off of tofu.
You can't me town.
PEOPLE PLEASE, SCOTT CAN'T BE TOWN Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 06:45 GlowingBear wrote:On July 27 2015 06:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Yeah we don't have the people to switch to scott.
Even then I still want to lynch FT.
Let's go with that. This is bullshit, we only need 3 more votes on scott Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 06:54 GlowingBear wrote:
God!!! It's so clear his thought process is fabricsted!!!!! Fucking vote him!!!!! So yeah. I'm pretty convinced that GB is scum.
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On July 29 2015 14:02 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2015 13:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 29 2015 13:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
Snickers, keep whatever posts you want in a notepad file, i'll give you a couple posts tomorrow so you can avoid spamming the thread with your usual garbage. One concentrated dose that we can easily ignore would be just great though.
No pls. How the fuck is this productive in any way? Are you kidding me?
##vote: boxerfred+ Show Spoiler [reasoning] +I am certain that one of boxerfred/GB are mafia, if not both. I'm much more inclined to lynch boxerfred atm. On July 27 2015 07:05 Half the Sky wrote:Night 1(edited for vote tracker) Final Day 1 Vote Count FirmTofu (6): raynpelikoneet, Onegu, KelsierSC, rsoultin, ObiWanShinobi, scott31337, GlowingBear, Palmar scott31337 (4): boxerfred, Hopeless1der, FirmTofu, GlowingBear, FirmTofuclarity_nl (1): rsoultin, Palmar, rsoultin, SnickersHopeless1der (1): raynpelikoneet, Clarity_nl, scott31337boxerfred (1): Snickers, Snickers KelsierSC (0): Snickers, GlowingBear, FirmTofuraynpelikoneet (0): Palmarrsoultin (0): Onegu, Snickerspalmar (0): FirmTofu
This is very good reasoning, I'm almost inclined to vote myself now. Almost as good as Onegu's reason to vote me.
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I missed the Hope wagon starting but I joined it.
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On July 29 2015 17:51 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2015 17:06 boxerfred wrote:On July 29 2015 14:02 Hopeless1der wrote:On July 29 2015 13:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 29 2015 13:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
Snickers, keep whatever posts you want in a notepad file, i'll give you a couple posts tomorrow so you can avoid spamming the thread with your usual garbage. One concentrated dose that we can easily ignore would be just great though.
No pls. How the fuck is this productive in any way? Are you kidding me?
##vote: boxerfred+ Show Spoiler [reasoning] +I am certain that one of boxerfred/GB are mafia, if not both. I'm much more inclined to lynch boxerfred atm. On July 27 2015 07:05 Half the Sky wrote:Night 1(edited for vote tracker) Final Day 1 Vote Count FirmTofu (6): raynpelikoneet, Onegu, KelsierSC, rsoultin, ObiWanShinobi, scott31337, GlowingBear, Palmar scott31337 (4): boxerfred, Hopeless1der, FirmTofu, GlowingBear, FirmTofuclarity_nl (1): rsoultin, Palmar, rsoultin, SnickersHopeless1der (1): raynpelikoneet, Clarity_nl, scott31337boxerfred (1): Snickers, Snickers KelsierSC (0): Snickers, GlowingBear, FirmTofuraynpelikoneet (0): Palmarrsoultin (0): Onegu, Snickerspalmar (0): FirmTofu This is very good reasoning, I'm almost inclined to vote myself now. Almost as good as Onegu's reason to vote me. You are jumping on easy lynches for no reason. Get rekt
Hahahahahaha yeah EVERY SINGLE LYNCH THAT HAPPENED SO FAR WAS ME JUMPING ON EASY TRAINS
wow /ignore
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wtf onegu like you ignore pretty much everything in the thread for the sake of your rsoultin thing. when that doesn't take off, you go for me. holy crap you're a shitty af town or a genius scum
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also my fucking points on GB are valid bras but hey noone cares so why should i, got enough for this cycle already
##give 40 posts to whoever cares bye
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what a huge pile of shit, not fun at all.
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EPT
