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I think that boxer's post was genuine although he is wrong about Kelsier
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I think that boxer's post was genuine although he is wrong about Kelsier.
Which means I think boxer is most likely town
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Hopeless, I think you're town. Tall to me about Kelsier
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On July 26 2015 12:58 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 03:37 GlowingBear wrote:On July 26 2015 02:32 GlowingBear wrote:On July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with. After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both. bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me. scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly On July 25 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Hmm, cuz I thought Kei's post was the scummiest so far. considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum? This post is SO bad. It's an overreaction AND a deflection. Reeks scum Palmar, address to this. This + him constantly being annoyed that people are wasting his posts + wanting to lynch me because he doesn't like me, then saying it's because I'm stupid, then admitting that being stupid doesn't make me Mafia but still willing to lynch me is very scummy to me. meh, maybe, but you think it's more likely for annoyed scum to say he wants to lynch you even though stupid doesn't make you scum? or annoyed town? cause yeah, i perfectly understand his sentiment. i feel the same way about snickers. i won't lynch him, but i'd be happy to have him out of the game xP
That puts snickers, or even Scott, on the chopping block. I've done nothing to annoy him other than calling him Mafia for fair reasons. Plus he says he doesn't like me. Then he says it's because I'm stupid. Then admits being stupid isn't a scum tell but he would be okay to lynch me anyway.
It's not that he could not do that as annoyed town, is that there is no reason to be annoyed with me in this game + it sounds more like he was okay with a lynch on me without having any reasons for lynching me. Then, when having the matter pushed, he couldn't find a fair reason to "not like" me. Why doesn't he like me? What I've being doing that is stupid? He fails to show that.
The only townie thing I saw in his filter was what Palmar said about dismissing the possibility of shitting the thread, but he could also be trying to avoid getting more suspicions at him by dismissing a push, even if a bad push.
I see nothing townie in him that takes him out of the lynch list like you did. I have yet to see what exactly makes him townie to your eyes that he is never getting lynched day1. Please tell me
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On July 26 2015 12:55 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 12:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Hope, I don't understand the point of your scott case?
Elaborate for me? Can I just say "waffle" and leave it at that? @GB re kelsier I see a number of somewhat explained town reads in his filter but little to no scum reads and vague "I'd lynch this guy...maybe" vibes. Not feeling great about kelsier but I would really want to lynch him today.
If he is giving you bad vibes, why not lynching him today?
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On July 26 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 13:40 GlowingBear wrote:On July 26 2015 12:58 rsoultin wrote:On July 26 2015 03:37 GlowingBear wrote:On July 26 2015 02:32 GlowingBear wrote:On July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with. After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both. bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me. scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly On July 25 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Hmm, cuz I thought Kei's post was the scummiest so far. considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum? This post is SO bad. It's an overreaction AND a deflection. Reeks scum Palmar, address to this. This + him constantly being annoyed that people are wasting his posts + wanting to lynch me because he doesn't like me, then saying it's because I'm stupid, then admitting that being stupid doesn't make me Mafia but still willing to lynch me is very scummy to me. meh, maybe, but you think it's more likely for annoyed scum to say he wants to lynch you even though stupid doesn't make you scum? or annoyed town? cause yeah, i perfectly understand his sentiment. i feel the same way about snickers. i won't lynch him, but i'd be happy to have him out of the game xP That puts snickers, or even Scott, on the chopping block. I've done nothing to annoy him other than calling him Mafia for fair reasons. Plus he says he doesn't like me. Then he says it's because I'm stupid. Then admits being stupid isn't a scum tell but he would be okay to lynch me anyway. It's not that he could not do that as annoyed town, is that there is no reason to be annoyed with me in this game + it sounds more like he was okay with a lynch on me without having any reasons for lynching me. Then, when having the matter pushed, he couldn't find a fair reason to "not like" me. Why doesn't he like me? What I've being doing that is stupid? He fails to show that. The only townie thing I saw in his filter was what Palmar said about dismissing the possibility of shitting the thread, but he could also be trying to avoid getting more suspicions at him by dismissing a push, even if a bad push. I see nothing townie in him that takes him out of the lynch list like you did. I have yet to see what exactly makes him townie to your eyes that he is never getting lynched day1. Please tell me yeah, well, i'm okay with lynching people i have no reasons to lynch, too xP it's called a null read and yes, ksc is perfectly capable of being annoyed with stupidity in general. neither of us has much patience for it, and you aren't exactly known for being logical look at his filter and his read progression has he expressed irritation at stupid pushes on him? yes. is that the majority of his filter? no he's clearly making reads and contributing and i really liked his push on tofu because i felt the same way reading tofu's response to palmar. plus i dunnae i think the aggression and bite in general is more likely to come from a town ksc than a scum one. scum worries about making friends. town just wants to solve the game xP it's tonal but i'm fairly confident on it or i wouldn't have him in my strong townreads in the first place
This is the first time I think your tone read is off.
If the problem is that people think I'm illogical in general, they will always want to lynch me in every game for that. Kelsier only expressed this half assed willingness to lynch me in this game which, ironically, is the one I'm taking the path of not being emotional. Explain this dichotomy, because I can't understand.
Town just wants to solve the game, yes. I don't see him trying.
Wanna make a bet? He is Mafia and I will rant post game forevermore
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On July 26 2015 21:14 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 18:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why does he say his spreadsheet is shitty?
Why would anyone keep a shitty spreadsheet?
Also why does he say there are scummy voters on Hopeless? Who is scummy on Hopeless?
i am apparently not, so it has to be Clarity. I don't know how he ends up in Clarity being mafia when he is voting for the same person (Hopeless) and Clarity thinks Hopeless is mafia. It doesn't make any sense. It also doesn't make any sense he uses a plural on "voters", because it is impossible he thinks more than one person on Hopeless is mafia.
Unless he is lying about his read on me or his read on himself. This is a really good post. Snickers I think you're town and I love the energy you're bringing but Onegu is not the lynch today. I'd lynch Scott or Tofu. Scott is partly because of his early play which I questioned him on and I think rayn's point about his spreadsheet is good. Tofu, his second "push" on palmar felt bad. his secondary scum also felt like he didn't really give a shit "rayn's been quiet"...yeh well it's a post restricted game but rayn had stepped up by that point. Then a throw away bf has a small filter. I don't like obi either People I think are town rayn, rsol, snickers, onegu, palmar there are others that I should try to work out; hopeless, clarity, obi, bf. I want to read more from them. GB you can just say nothing and that would be fine.
That's not an alignment indicative post from Rayn
You keep taking about people you don't like without bringing reasons to it
You need to try to work out on hopeless, who has been up for the lynch the whole day1? How the fuck you don't have an idea on him?
You have to work out on clarity? He has just a few posts. Go take a look at him.
And about the bolded: you are unnecessarily antagonising be since the beginning of day1 and I don't see you doing this on purpose as town. You know you'll get me pissed off at some point.
Town, please. This guy is Mafia.
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On July 27 2015 02:21 FirmTofu wrote:
Also, the fact that this train is catching so fast should be indicative of the fact that mafia is clearly very happy about this lynch.
This would be true if the second wagon is Mafia. Do you believe scott or hopeless are Mafia?
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On July 27 2015 02:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 02:23 GlowingBear wrote:On July 27 2015 02:21 FirmTofu wrote:
Also, the fact that this train is catching so fast should be indicative of the fact that mafia is clearly very happy about this lynch. This would be true if the second wagon is Mafia. Do you believe scott or hopeless are Mafia? I don't understand how this works, exactly?
Well, if both wagons are town, Mafia doesn't have to rush to decide their votes and advocate for a mislynch. In case a scum partner is up for the lynch, when a second wagon is proposed and the guy is town, if fills much faster.
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On July 27 2015 02:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 02:29 GlowingBear wrote:On July 27 2015 02:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 27 2015 02:23 GlowingBear wrote:On July 27 2015 02:21 FirmTofu wrote:
Also, the fact that this train is catching so fast should be indicative of the fact that mafia is clearly very happy about this lynch. This would be true if the second wagon is Mafia. Do you believe scott or hopeless are Mafia? I don't understand how this works, exactly? Well, if both wagons are town, Mafia doesn't have to rush to decide their votes and advocate for a mislynch. In case a scum partner is up for the lynch, when a second wagon is proposed and the guy is town, if fills much faster. The only time I've seen the speed of a wagon dictate anything is at EoD, when there's a wagon that's safe and easy to jump on. IE not in this circumstance.
I've seen it happening hours before deadline. Nonetheless, it's unimportant for us to discuss this, but it's important that tofu answers my question
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.:Case on KelsierSC:.
1) Constantly whining about having to waste posts with bad things without actually using his remaining 50+ posts for anything else
+ Show Spoiler +On July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with. After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both. bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me. scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Hmm, cuz I thought Kei's post was the scummiest so far. considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum? On July 25 2015 19:39 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:27 Snickers wrote:
what is with you defending yourself more than anything else See the better question would be , do you have any reads yet? Because that might be something interesting, instead your question looks to misrepresent what has actually happened in the game. unfortunately everyone is playing like shit so I have absolutely no one as town. On July 25 2015 20:10 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:57 Snickers wrote:On July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with. After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both. bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me. scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly On July 25 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Hmm, cuz I thought Kei's post was the scummiest so far. considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum? okay so lets start with this. One simple post. ur talking about wasting ur post which most people would find slightly scummy. your post has a complaining tone to it even though we are not even a 20 posts into the game. "two people" mention it but you think it is enough to get angry about. one of the two people you say has a silly post? so following your thought process one person is enough to make you angry and have to fill a post with weird stuff. Also one person making you mad when there is three scum..... yes one person is enough to annoy me
If he is so worried about wasting posts with useless stuff, WHY DOES HE WASTE POSTS TO KEEP SAYING HE IS ANNOYED? "Yes, one person is enough to annoy me", really?
Why is he so annoyed, man? "Everybody is playing like shit". No, nobody is playing like shit in this game. This game is pretty concise and to the point. His annoyance is unjustified, it's ridiculous. Looks like mafia trying to fake being emotional.
2) Deflecting any early suspicions brought on him + guilty conscience
On July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with. After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both. bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me. scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Hmm, cuz I thought Kei's post was the scummiest so far. considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum?
THIS IS HIS SECOND POST IN THE GAME! This is an unnatural reaction to what scott posted. In town mindset, the reaction I would expect would be "then you're stupid because I'm town" and not "ok, you think I'm scum, am I the only one lol". It reveals mafia's guilty conscience.
More than that, and more important, it is a deflection of early pressure. He sees someone calling him scum and softly tries to shift pressure to someone else. If you ask "am I the only one?" a common response would be "no, I didn't like X as well" and if they keep talking about X, the pressure is shifted.
The same reaction can be seen here:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 25 2015 19:54 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:50 Snickers wrote:
complains about shit play continues shit play This isn't going to lead to anything productive so I think it's best to just end it here.
It can be interpreted in both ways: town not wanting to shit the thread, or scum deflecting pressure. Since Kelsier already displayed the deflection behaviour, the second option is more likely.
3) Wanting to lynch me then backtracking when having no reasons to
+ Show Spoiler +On July 26 2015 03:00 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 02:56 Palmar wrote:On July 26 2015 02:55 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 02:50 Palmar wrote:This is kinda scummy. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am also a cop. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean detective fuck OP's are hard to read. The reason being is that the latter post tries too hard to make it obvious his claim is bullshit. It's more likely that mafia would semi-waffle on their claim or make it weaker than a townie who is just trolling. On July 25 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:On July 25 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
beautiful warm day
birds chirping
bugs chirring
the chlorine didn't burn out my eyes
but guys, guys, guys...
rayn is scuuum ^^ he totes just scumslipped and i'm totes 100% serious ^^ guys! guys! guys! listen to me... lol more seriously, i dunnae, bf...that's a bit too obvious to really mean anything, don't you think? -fades back into the ether- This is also kinda scummy for almost the same reason. The overemphasis that it's a joke. I'm not going to try to hang either of them based on only this, but at least it's something. On July 25 2015 07:50 GlowingBear wrote:
OH IS A POST RESTRICTED GAME!
Don't worry, we still have a storage with Onegu This is more likely to be townbear, I can't explain exactly why and it's super weak. Just to give you an idea if everyone starts at 50/100 on the mafia scale, the people I've mentioned so far are just a few points above or below null. If I reach a strong read this readthrough I'll be sure to let you know. Speak of the devil. Translation: "Hey, this guy looks a little scummy and this guy looks a little towny. Don't lynch me and let me go back to my mafia corner." Why are you giving us your town reads? How does that help us find mafia? This post you made here was completely pointless. There is nothing of substance here. Shut up Lol I think palmar is town I want to ask snickers why he thinks defending yourself makes you mafia? I was going to say I like the new guy early on but his like second attack on palmar after he posted felt really forced. you scum read palmar for having a "skimpy" (awesome word) filter, now he is here to contribute going crazy on him feels like an overcompensation. I don't like Glowingbear so would happily lynch him. On July 26 2015 03:13 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 03:03 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 03:00 KelsierSC wrote:On July 26 2015 02:56 Palmar wrote:On July 26 2015 02:55 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 02:50 Palmar wrote:This is kinda scummy. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am also a cop. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean detective fuck OP's are hard to read. The reason being is that the latter post tries too hard to make it obvious his claim is bullshit. It's more likely that mafia would semi-waffle on their claim or make it weaker than a townie who is just trolling. On July 25 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:On July 25 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
beautiful warm day
birds chirping
bugs chirring
the chlorine didn't burn out my eyes
but guys, guys, guys...
rayn is scuuum ^^ he totes just scumslipped and i'm totes 100% serious ^^ guys! guys! guys! listen to me... lol more seriously, i dunnae, bf...that's a bit too obvious to really mean anything, don't you think? -fades back into the ether- This is also kinda scummy for almost the same reason. The overemphasis that it's a joke. I'm not going to try to hang either of them based on only this, but at least it's something. On July 25 2015 07:50 GlowingBear wrote:
OH IS A POST RESTRICTED GAME!
Don't worry, we still have a storage with Onegu This is more likely to be townbear, I can't explain exactly why and it's super weak. Just to give you an idea if everyone starts at 50/100 on the mafia scale, the people I've mentioned so far are just a few points above or below null. If I reach a strong read this readthrough I'll be sure to let you know. Speak of the devil. Translation: "Hey, this guy looks a little scummy and this guy looks a little towny. Don't lynch me and let me go back to my mafia corner." Why are you giving us your town reads? How does that help us find mafia? This post you made here was completely pointless. There is nothing of substance here. Shut up Lol I think palmar is town I want to ask snickers why he thinks defending yourself makes you mafia? I was going to say I like the new guy early on but his like second attack on palmar after he posted felt really forced. you scum read palmar for having a "skimpy" (awesome word) filter, now he is here to contribute going crazy on him feels like an overcompensation. I don't like Glowingbear so would happily lynch him. If what Palmar is doing could be considered contribution, I wouldn't have a problem here. Like I said, he hasn't done anything of substance. What exactly has Palmar contributed? Also, why do you think Palmar is town? Do you agree with his reads? well he is here reading the game and giving leans either way on quite a few players. your contribution so far has been to attack palmar for a small filter, and now he is here to attack him again. Like I said it didn't really make sense. From my perspective if I had someone as scum for being skimpy i'd give them more of a chance to post and maybe read some other players, not just tunnel the shit out of them. The way you acted, didn't feel correct. @snickers - You called rsoul mafia for defending herself Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 02:00 Snickers wrote:
let me defend myself then say im not defending myself
let me bitch about people not doing anything and then proceed to do prty much nothing and you seemed to have a problem when you thought I was doing it Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:27 Snickers wrote:
what is with you defending yourself more than anything else Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:41 Snickers wrote:
whoa u didnt fall for the trap of defending urself again. the fact you even asked me to qualify that statement is suspicous. so tell me why does it make people scummy. GB - because I read your posts and they felt stupid On July 26 2015 03:18 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 03:17 GlowingBear wrote:On July 26 2015 03:13 KelsierSC wrote:On July 26 2015 03:03 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 03:00 KelsierSC wrote:On July 26 2015 02:56 Palmar wrote:On July 26 2015 02:55 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 02:50 Palmar wrote:This is kinda scummy. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am also a cop. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean detective fuck OP's are hard to read. The reason being is that the latter post tries too hard to make it obvious his claim is bullshit. It's more likely that mafia would semi-waffle on their claim or make it weaker than a townie who is just trolling. On July 25 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:On July 25 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
beautiful warm day
birds chirping
bugs chirring
the chlorine didn't burn out my eyes
but guys, guys, guys...
rayn is scuuum ^^ he totes just scumslipped and i'm totes 100% serious ^^ guys! guys! guys! listen to me... lol more seriously, i dunnae, bf...that's a bit too obvious to really mean anything, don't you think? -fades back into the ether- This is also kinda scummy for almost the same reason. The overemphasis that it's a joke. I'm not going to try to hang either of them based on only this, but at least it's something. On July 25 2015 07:50 GlowingBear wrote:
OH IS A POST RESTRICTED GAME!
Don't worry, we still have a storage with Onegu This is more likely to be townbear, I can't explain exactly why and it's super weak. Just to give you an idea if everyone starts at 50/100 on the mafia scale, the people I've mentioned so far are just a few points above or below null. If I reach a strong read this readthrough I'll be sure to let you know. Speak of the devil. Translation: "Hey, this guy looks a little scummy and this guy looks a little towny. Don't lynch me and let me go back to my mafia corner." Why are you giving us your town reads? How does that help us find mafia? This post you made here was completely pointless. There is nothing of substance here. Shut up Lol I think palmar is town I want to ask snickers why he thinks defending yourself makes you mafia? I was going to say I like the new guy early on but his like second attack on palmar after he posted felt really forced. you scum read palmar for having a "skimpy" (awesome word) filter, now he is here to contribute going crazy on him feels like an overcompensation. I don't like Glowingbear so would happily lynch him. If what Palmar is doing could be considered contribution, I wouldn't have a problem here. Like I said, he hasn't done anything of substance. What exactly has Palmar contributed? Also, why do you think Palmar is town? Do you agree with his reads? well he is here reading the game and giving leans either way on quite a few players. your contribution so far has been to attack palmar for a small filter, and now he is here to attack him again. Like I said it didn't really make sense. From my perspective if I had someone as scum for being skimpy i'd give them more of a chance to post and maybe read some other players, not just tunnel the shit out of them. The way you acted, didn't feel correct. @snickers - You called rsoul mafia for defending herself On July 26 2015 01:59 Snickers wrote:
lol youve done so much scummy shit On July 26 2015 02:00 Snickers wrote:
let me defend myself then say im not defending myself
let me bitch about people not doing anything and then proceed to do prty much nothing and you seemed to have a problem when you thought I was doing it On July 25 2015 19:27 Snickers wrote:
what is with you defending yourself more than anything else On July 25 2015 19:41 Snickers wrote:
whoa u didnt fall for the trap of defending urself again. the fact you even asked me to qualify that statement is suspicous. so tell me why does it make people scummy. GB - because I read your posts and they felt stupid Tell me what's stupid in them. Also, tell me why stupidity is a sign that I'm Mafia. for you it's not I'd still lynch you though On July 26 2015 05:39 KelsierSC wrote:
simple reason why rsoul is angry? probably the same reason i appear "annoyed"
idiots and snickers. but i repeat myself On July 26 2015 21:14 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 18:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why does he say his spreadsheet is shitty?
Why would anyone keep a shitty spreadsheet?
Also why does he say there are scummy voters on Hopeless? Who is scummy on Hopeless?
i am apparently not, so it has to be Clarity. I don't know how he ends up in Clarity being mafia when he is voting for the same person (Hopeless) and Clarity thinks Hopeless is mafia. It doesn't make any sense. It also doesn't make any sense he uses a plural on "voters", because it is impossible he thinks more than one person on Hopeless is mafia.
Unless he is lying about his read on me or his read on himself. This is a really good post. Snickers I think you're town and I love the energy you're bringing but Onegu is not the lynch today. I'd lynch Scott or Tofu. Scott is partly because of his early play which I questioned him on and I think rayn's point about his spreadsheet is good. Tofu, his second "push" on palmar felt bad. his secondary scum also felt like he didn't really give a shit "rayn's been quiet"...yeh well it's a post restricted game but rayn had stepped up by that point. Then a throw away bf has a small filter. I don't like obi either People I think are town rayn, rsol, snickers, onegu, palmar there are others that I should try to work out; hopeless, clarity, obi, bf. I want to read more from them. GB you can just say nothing and that would be fine.
The progression is this, for people that doesn't want to read the posts: Kelsier says he doesn't like me and he would lynch me happily. I ask him why he doesn't like me. He says everything I post looks stupid. I asked him what is stupid in them and why does that makes me mafia. He said it doesn't make me mafia but he would lynch me anyway, and that he is annoyed because idiots (like me) are annoying him, but never says what are the problems with my posts. He then comes to the thread and says he wants to lynch "hopeless, clarity, obi and bf", not wanting to lynch me.
It's simple: he said he didn't like me hoping to have me as an option for mislynch. When I confront it, he says I look stupid but he forgets it's something he doesn't believe is alignment indicative for me. Then he says he would lynch me anyway implying that I annoy him. Well, I wasn't raising suspicions on him since that time. Now I've being pressuring him for the rest of day1 and he doesn't want to lynch me anymore LOL. He is not annoyed with it.
What I mean with this is: his actions does not follows his discourse, which is mostly a scum trait.
Add to this the fact that he answers almost NOTHING of my posts directed to him. He just deflects them, adding to point (2) of this case.
4) HE IS VOTING TOFU INSTEAD OF SCOTT
HE IS FUCKING VOTING TOFU INSTEAD OF SCOTT. SCOTT WAS THE FIRST GUY TO ANNOY HIM (AND KELSIER WOULD LYNCH PEOPLE DOING THAT)! Why he doesn't prefer a scott lynch? Hell, a lot of people thinks he is mafia! Instead of going against the guy that certainly looked as mafia for him, he is going against questionmark!Tofu. More than that, he wasn't advocating for a lynch on Scott, but opened a range of possible lynches he would go against (tofu, scott, obi, clarity).
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, PEOPLE! COME ON!!!
+ Show Spoiler [WIFOM] + Points on Kelsier were brought many times and no one quickly jumped on it, not even Scott, who was suspicions on Kelsier in the first place. The quick and unreasonable town reads Kelsier got points out that scum didn't want him as a possible mislynch.
I am POSITIVE Kelsier is mafia. Vote him with me.
##Vote: KelsierSC
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On July 27 2015 03:55 Onegu wrote:
GB is it ok if I not trust any of your reads?
Only if you say why
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On July 27 2015 04:03 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 03:59 GlowingBear wrote:On July 27 2015 03:55 Onegu wrote:
GB is it ok if I not trust any of your reads? Only if you say why Because I am town reading tou
Makes sense
No, you should look the points and evaluate what is good or wrong in them, and not consider who is making those arguments
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On July 27 2015 04:08 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 21:38 rsoultin wrote:
and tofu's push on palmar was horrible. it's not a bad lynch. it could be a wrong lynch. i'm hoping palmar can articulate why he doesn't want to pull the trigger on it
Everything you say is essentially correct and the bolded basically answers your own question. I feel there is a very real possibility he is just a baddie. Although maybe I should worry less about that and just lynch him for saying stuff that makes no sense. Im also heavily considering lynching clarity
Palmar, what do you think of my case?
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God.
Everyone NOT voting Kelsier needs to tell me either why my points doesn't hold water or why someone else is a better lynch.
He is goddammn Mafia!!!
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On July 27 2015 04:27 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 04:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar are you sure Kelsier is more likely to be mafia than FT is?
I have to get up at 4am, i am going soon, i need your input.
I hate rsoultin is not here and Clarity is probably scum. lol i'm here...i actually had a social life this weekend, wonder of wonders eh, i didn't like gb's case on ksc :/ blah, but that's more because it seems to me that gb isn't understanding what's being said in a lot of kelsier's posts. i guess i could be somewhat pocketed here but i don't think so?
Tell me what I'm not understanding, then.
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On July 27 2015 04:29 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 03:46 GlowingBear wrote:.:Case on KelsierSC:. 1) Constantly whining about having to waste posts with bad things without actually using his remaining 50+ posts for anything else+ Show Spoiler +On July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with. After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both. bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me. scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Hmm, cuz I thought Kei's post was the scummiest so far. considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum? On July 25 2015 19:39 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:27 Snickers wrote:
what is with you defending yourself more than anything else See the better question would be , do you have any reads yet? Because that might be something interesting, instead your question looks to misrepresent what has actually happened in the game. unfortunately everyone is playing like shit so I have absolutely no one as town. On July 25 2015 20:10 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:57 Snickers wrote:On July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with. After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both. bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me. scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly On July 25 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Hmm, cuz I thought Kei's post was the scummiest so far. considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum? okay so lets start with this. One simple post. ur talking about wasting ur post which most people would find slightly scummy. your post has a complaining tone to it even though we are not even a 20 posts into the game. "two people" mention it but you think it is enough to get angry about. one of the two people you say has a silly post? so following your thought process one person is enough to make you angry and have to fill a post with weird stuff. Also one person making you mad when there is three scum..... yes one person is enough to annoy me If he is so worried about wasting posts with useless stuff, WHY DOES HE WASTE POSTS TO KEEP SAYING HE IS ANNOYED? "Yes, one person is enough to annoy me", really? Why is he so annoyed, man? "Everybody is playing like shit". No, nobody is playing like shit in this game. This game is pretty concise and to the point. His annoyance is unjustified, it's ridiculous. Looks like mafia trying to fake being emotional. 2) Deflecting any early suspicions brought on him + guilty conscienceOn July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with. After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both. bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me. scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly On July 25 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Hmm, cuz I thought Kei's post was the scummiest so far. considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum? THIS IS HIS SECOND POST IN THE GAME! This is an unnatural reaction to what scott posted. In town mindset, the reaction I would expect would be "then you're stupid because I'm town" and not "ok, you think I'm scum, am I the only one lol". It reveals mafia's guilty conscience. More than that, and more important, it is a deflection of early pressure. He sees someone calling him scum and softly tries to shift pressure to someone else. If you ask "am I the only one?" a common response would be "no, I didn't like X as well" and if they keep talking about X, the pressure is shifted. The same reaction can be seen here: + Show Spoiler +On July 25 2015 19:54 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:50 Snickers wrote:
complains about shit play continues shit play This isn't going to lead to anything productive so I think it's best to just end it here. It can be interpreted in both ways: town not wanting to shit the thread, or scum deflecting pressure. Since Kelsier already displayed the deflection behaviour, the second option is more likely. 3) Wanting to lynch me then backtracking when having no reasons to+ Show Spoiler +On July 26 2015 03:00 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 02:56 Palmar wrote:On July 26 2015 02:55 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 02:50 Palmar wrote:This is kinda scummy. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am also a cop. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean detective fuck OP's are hard to read. The reason being is that the latter post tries too hard to make it obvious his claim is bullshit. It's more likely that mafia would semi-waffle on their claim or make it weaker than a townie who is just trolling. On July 25 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:On July 25 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
beautiful warm day
birds chirping
bugs chirring
the chlorine didn't burn out my eyes
but guys, guys, guys...
rayn is scuuum ^^ he totes just scumslipped and i'm totes 100% serious ^^ guys! guys! guys! listen to me... lol more seriously, i dunnae, bf...that's a bit too obvious to really mean anything, don't you think? -fades back into the ether- This is also kinda scummy for almost the same reason. The overemphasis that it's a joke. I'm not going to try to hang either of them based on only this, but at least it's something. On July 25 2015 07:50 GlowingBear wrote:
OH IS A POST RESTRICTED GAME!
Don't worry, we still have a storage with Onegu This is more likely to be townbear, I can't explain exactly why and it's super weak. Just to give you an idea if everyone starts at 50/100 on the mafia scale, the people I've mentioned so far are just a few points above or below null. If I reach a strong read this readthrough I'll be sure to let you know. Speak of the devil. Translation: "Hey, this guy looks a little scummy and this guy looks a little towny. Don't lynch me and let me go back to my mafia corner." Why are you giving us your town reads? How does that help us find mafia? This post you made here was completely pointless. There is nothing of substance here. Shut up Lol I think palmar is town I want to ask snickers why he thinks defending yourself makes you mafia? I was going to say I like the new guy early on but his like second attack on palmar after he posted felt really forced. you scum read palmar for having a "skimpy" (awesome word) filter, now he is here to contribute going crazy on him feels like an overcompensation. I don't like Glowingbear so would happily lynch him. On July 26 2015 03:13 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 03:03 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 03:00 KelsierSC wrote:On July 26 2015 02:56 Palmar wrote:On July 26 2015 02:55 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 02:50 Palmar wrote:This is kinda scummy. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am also a cop. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean detective fuck OP's are hard to read. The reason being is that the latter post tries too hard to make it obvious his claim is bullshit. It's more likely that mafia would semi-waffle on their claim or make it weaker than a townie who is just trolling. On July 25 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:On July 25 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
beautiful warm day
birds chirping
bugs chirring
the chlorine didn't burn out my eyes
but guys, guys, guys...
rayn is scuuum ^^ he totes just scumslipped and i'm totes 100% serious ^^ guys! guys! guys! listen to me... lol more seriously, i dunnae, bf...that's a bit too obvious to really mean anything, don't you think? -fades back into the ether- This is also kinda scummy for almost the same reason. The overemphasis that it's a joke. I'm not going to try to hang either of them based on only this, but at least it's something. On July 25 2015 07:50 GlowingBear wrote:
OH IS A POST RESTRICTED GAME!
Don't worry, we still have a storage with Onegu This is more likely to be townbear, I can't explain exactly why and it's super weak. Just to give you an idea if everyone starts at 50/100 on the mafia scale, the people I've mentioned so far are just a few points above or below null. If I reach a strong read this readthrough I'll be sure to let you know. Speak of the devil. Translation: "Hey, this guy looks a little scummy and this guy looks a little towny. Don't lynch me and let me go back to my mafia corner." Why are you giving us your town reads? How does that help us find mafia? This post you made here was completely pointless. There is nothing of substance here. Shut up Lol I think palmar is town I want to ask snickers why he thinks defending yourself makes you mafia? I was going to say I like the new guy early on but his like second attack on palmar after he posted felt really forced. you scum read palmar for having a "skimpy" (awesome word) filter, now he is here to contribute going crazy on him feels like an overcompensation. I don't like Glowingbear so would happily lynch him. If what Palmar is doing could be considered contribution, I wouldn't have a problem here. Like I said, he hasn't done anything of substance. What exactly has Palmar contributed? Also, why do you think Palmar is town? Do you agree with his reads? well he is here reading the game and giving leans either way on quite a few players. your contribution so far has been to attack palmar for a small filter, and now he is here to attack him again. Like I said it didn't really make sense. From my perspective if I had someone as scum for being skimpy i'd give them more of a chance to post and maybe read some other players, not just tunnel the shit out of them. The way you acted, didn't feel correct. @snickers - You called rsoul mafia for defending herself Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 02:00 Snickers wrote:
let me defend myself then say im not defending myself
let me bitch about people not doing anything and then proceed to do prty much nothing and you seemed to have a problem when you thought I was doing it Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:27 Snickers wrote:
what is with you defending yourself more than anything else Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:41 Snickers wrote:
whoa u didnt fall for the trap of defending urself again. the fact you even asked me to qualify that statement is suspicous. so tell me why does it make people scummy. GB - because I read your posts and they felt stupid On July 26 2015 03:18 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 03:17 GlowingBear wrote:On July 26 2015 03:13 KelsierSC wrote:On July 26 2015 03:03 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 03:00 KelsierSC wrote:On July 26 2015 02:56 Palmar wrote:On July 26 2015 02:55 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 02:50 Palmar wrote:This is kinda scummy. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am also a cop. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean detective fuck OP's are hard to read. The reason being is that the latter post tries too hard to make it obvious his claim is bullshit. It's more likely that mafia would semi-waffle on their claim or make it weaker than a townie who is just trolling. On July 25 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:On July 25 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
beautiful warm day
birds chirping
bugs chirring
the chlorine didn't burn out my eyes
but guys, guys, guys...
rayn is scuuum ^^ he totes just scumslipped and i'm totes 100% serious ^^ guys! guys! guys! listen to me... lol more seriously, i dunnae, bf...that's a bit too obvious to really mean anything, don't you think? -fades back into the ether- This is also kinda scummy for almost the same reason. The overemphasis that it's a joke. I'm not going to try to hang either of them based on only this, but at least it's something. On July 25 2015 07:50 GlowingBear wrote:
OH IS A POST RESTRICTED GAME!
Don't worry, we still have a storage with Onegu This is more likely to be townbear, I can't explain exactly why and it's super weak. Just to give you an idea if everyone starts at 50/100 on the mafia scale, the people I've mentioned so far are just a few points above or below null. If I reach a strong read this readthrough I'll be sure to let you know. Speak of the devil. Translation: "Hey, this guy looks a little scummy and this guy looks a little towny. Don't lynch me and let me go back to my mafia corner." Why are you giving us your town reads? How does that help us find mafia? This post you made here was completely pointless. There is nothing of substance here. Shut up Lol I think palmar is town I want to ask snickers why he thinks defending yourself makes you mafia? I was going to say I like the new guy early on but his like second attack on palmar after he posted felt really forced. you scum read palmar for having a "skimpy" (awesome word) filter, now he is here to contribute going crazy on him feels like an overcompensation. I don't like Glowingbear so would happily lynch him. If what Palmar is doing could be considered contribution, I wouldn't have a problem here. Like I said, he hasn't done anything of substance. What exactly has Palmar contributed? Also, why do you think Palmar is town? Do you agree with his reads? well he is here reading the game and giving leans either way on quite a few players. your contribution so far has been to attack palmar for a small filter, and now he is here to attack him again. Like I said it didn't really make sense. From my perspective if I had someone as scum for being skimpy i'd give them more of a chance to post and maybe read some other players, not just tunnel the shit out of them. The way you acted, didn't feel correct. @snickers - You called rsoul mafia for defending herself On July 26 2015 01:59 Snickers wrote:
lol youve done so much scummy shit On July 26 2015 02:00 Snickers wrote:
let me defend myself then say im not defending myself
let me bitch about people not doing anything and then proceed to do prty much nothing and you seemed to have a problem when you thought I was doing it On July 25 2015 19:27 Snickers wrote:
what is with you defending yourself more than anything else On July 25 2015 19:41 Snickers wrote:
whoa u didnt fall for the trap of defending urself again. the fact you even asked me to qualify that statement is suspicous. so tell me why does it make people scummy. GB - because I read your posts and they felt stupid Tell me what's stupid in them. Also, tell me why stupidity is a sign that I'm Mafia. for you it's not I'd still lynch you though On July 26 2015 05:39 KelsierSC wrote:
simple reason why rsoul is angry? probably the same reason i appear "annoyed"
idiots and snickers. but i repeat myself On July 26 2015 21:14 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 18:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why does he say his spreadsheet is shitty?
Why would anyone keep a shitty spreadsheet?
Also why does he say there are scummy voters on Hopeless? Who is scummy on Hopeless?
i am apparently not, so it has to be Clarity. I don't know how he ends up in Clarity being mafia when he is voting for the same person (Hopeless) and Clarity thinks Hopeless is mafia. It doesn't make any sense. It also doesn't make any sense he uses a plural on "voters", because it is impossible he thinks more than one person on Hopeless is mafia.
Unless he is lying about his read on me or his read on himself. This is a really good post. Snickers I think you're town and I love the energy you're bringing but Onegu is not the lynch today. I'd lynch Scott or Tofu. Scott is partly because of his early play which I questioned him on and I think rayn's point about his spreadsheet is good. Tofu, his second "push" on palmar felt bad. his secondary scum also felt like he didn't really give a shit "rayn's been quiet"...yeh well it's a post restricted game but rayn had stepped up by that point. Then a throw away bf has a small filter. I don't like obi either People I think are town rayn, rsol, snickers, onegu, palmar there are others that I should try to work out; hopeless, clarity, obi, bf. I want to read more from them. GB you can just say nothing and that would be fine. The progression is this, for people that doesn't want to read the posts: Kelsier says he doesn't like me and he would lynch me happily. I ask him why he doesn't like me. He says everything I post looks stupid. I asked him what is stupid in them and why does that makes me mafia. He said it doesn't make me mafia but he would lynch me anyway, and that he is annoyed because idiots (like me) are annoying him, but never says what are the problems with my posts. He then comes to the thread and says he wants to lynch "hopeless, clarity, obi and bf", not wanting to lynch me. It's simple: he said he didn't like me hoping to have me as an option for mislynch. When I confront it, he says I look stupid but he forgets it's something he doesn't believe is alignment indicative for me. Then he says he would lynch me anyway implying that I annoy him. Well, I wasn't raising suspicions on him since that time. Now I've being pressuring him for the rest of day1 and he doesn't want to lynch me anymore LOL. He is not annoyed with it. What I mean with this is: his actions does not follows his discourse, which is mostly a scum trait. Add to this the fact that he answers almost NOTHING of my posts directed to him. He just deflects them, adding to point (2) of this case.4) HE IS VOTING TOFU INSTEAD OF SCOTTHE IS FUCKING VOTING TOFU INSTEAD OF SCOTT. SCOTT WAS THE FIRST GUY TO ANNOY HIM (AND KELSIER WOULD LYNCH PEOPLE DOING THAT)! Why he doesn't prefer a scott lynch? Hell, a lot of people thinks he is mafia! Instead of going against the guy that certainly looked as mafia for him, he is going against questionmark!Tofu. More than that, he wasn't advocating for a lynch on Scott, but opened a range of possible lynches he would go against (tofu, scott, obi, clarity). IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, PEOPLE! COME ON!!! + Show Spoiler [WIFOM] + Points on Kelsier were brought many times and no one quickly jumped on it, not even Scott, who was suspicions on Kelsier in the first place. The quick and unreasonable town reads Kelsier got points out that scum didn't want him as a possible mislynch. I am POSITIVE Kelsier is mafia. Vote him with me. ##Vote: KelsierSC 1. I didn't "constantly whine about wasting posts" I made one comment because it was a stupid point and boxerfred couldn't look up a game from last week. At the time I posted "everyone was playing shit" I didn't have one single person as town because people kept posting stupid things. 2. I thought scott had posted scummy things, I quoted something he posted that didn't make sense. I'm giving scum leans snickers posting wasn't productive so I ended that whole argument 3. You are an idiot, that is why I would lynch you, it doesn't matter your alignment. If you are mafia I would happily lynch you. If you are town, you are a complete imbecile who will spout nonsense and actively harm town, for example , making terrible cases against people who are town. so I would happily lynch you. 4. I would lynch tofu or scott, at the time I was in the thread I thought tofu was the better lynch and voted him. you can sit down and be quiet now.
Then do work and lynch me. Lynch the imbecile. You fail to point out ONE STUPID ARGUMENT I've brought.
And no, I'm not falling for the shit fight invite, I'm sorry. Even if you're town here, you're not worth it.
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On July 27 2015 04:33 rsoultin wrote:
@ GB
1. he's used his posts to contribute and make reads - point is wrong
2. could be if the point is the very last sentence...but i interpreted it as him saying that (scott? i think it was?) shouldn't be shutting down my reads just because he thought ksc was "scummiest"
3. yeah, null read is null here still - point is wrong
4. you're still stuck on "annoyance" meaning that ksc thinks you're scum - point is wrong
the only point that holds any water here, gb, is the second, just as rayn said, and frankly i can still easily see it coming from town so it doesn't outweigh all the things that i think makes ksc town this game
Well, I think point 2 is damning enough.
I can get what you're saying about the others.
But, as I stated, he repeatedly deflected pressure. It wasn't only on that post. He never answered my other pushes on him, he shut snickers down too.
I think it's very damning
I don't see the points on tofu. I do see the point on scott
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On July 27 2015 04:36 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 04:34 GlowingBear wrote:On July 27 2015 04:29 KelsierSC wrote:On July 27 2015 03:46 GlowingBear wrote:.:Case on KelsierSC:. 1) Constantly whining about having to waste posts with bad things without actually using his remaining 50+ posts for anything else+ Show Spoiler +On July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with. After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both. bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me. scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Hmm, cuz I thought Kei's post was the scummiest so far. considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum? On July 25 2015 19:39 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:27 Snickers wrote:
what is with you defending yourself more than anything else See the better question would be , do you have any reads yet? Because that might be something interesting, instead your question looks to misrepresent what has actually happened in the game. unfortunately everyone is playing like shit so I have absolutely no one as town. On July 25 2015 20:10 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:57 Snickers wrote:On July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with. After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both. bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me. scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly On July 25 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Hmm, cuz I thought Kei's post was the scummiest so far. considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum? okay so lets start with this. One simple post. ur talking about wasting ur post which most people would find slightly scummy. your post has a complaining tone to it even though we are not even a 20 posts into the game. "two people" mention it but you think it is enough to get angry about. one of the two people you say has a silly post? so following your thought process one person is enough to make you angry and have to fill a post with weird stuff. Also one person making you mad when there is three scum..... yes one person is enough to annoy me If he is so worried about wasting posts with useless stuff, WHY DOES HE WASTE POSTS TO KEEP SAYING HE IS ANNOYED? "Yes, one person is enough to annoy me", really? Why is he so annoyed, man? "Everybody is playing like shit". No, nobody is playing like shit in this game. This game is pretty concise and to the point. His annoyance is unjustified, it's ridiculous. Looks like mafia trying to fake being emotional. 2) Deflecting any early suspicions brought on him + guilty conscienceOn July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with. After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both. bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me. scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly On July 25 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Hmm, cuz I thought Kei's post was the scummiest so far. considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum? THIS IS HIS SECOND POST IN THE GAME! This is an unnatural reaction to what scott posted. In town mindset, the reaction I would expect would be "then you're stupid because I'm town" and not "ok, you think I'm scum, am I the only one lol". It reveals mafia's guilty conscience. More than that, and more important, it is a deflection of early pressure. He sees someone calling him scum and softly tries to shift pressure to someone else. If you ask "am I the only one?" a common response would be "no, I didn't like X as well" and if they keep talking about X, the pressure is shifted. The same reaction can be seen here: + Show Spoiler +On July 25 2015 19:54 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:50 Snickers wrote:
complains about shit play continues shit play This isn't going to lead to anything productive so I think it's best to just end it here. It can be interpreted in both ways: town not wanting to shit the thread, or scum deflecting pressure. Since Kelsier already displayed the deflection behaviour, the second option is more likely. 3) Wanting to lynch me then backtracking when having no reasons to+ Show Spoiler +On July 26 2015 03:00 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 02:56 Palmar wrote:On July 26 2015 02:55 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 02:50 Palmar wrote:This is kinda scummy. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am also a cop. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean detective fuck OP's are hard to read. The reason being is that the latter post tries too hard to make it obvious his claim is bullshit. It's more likely that mafia would semi-waffle on their claim or make it weaker than a townie who is just trolling. On July 25 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:On July 25 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
beautiful warm day
birds chirping
bugs chirring
the chlorine didn't burn out my eyes
but guys, guys, guys...
rayn is scuuum ^^ he totes just scumslipped and i'm totes 100% serious ^^ guys! guys! guys! listen to me... lol more seriously, i dunnae, bf...that's a bit too obvious to really mean anything, don't you think? -fades back into the ether- This is also kinda scummy for almost the same reason. The overemphasis that it's a joke. I'm not going to try to hang either of them based on only this, but at least it's something. On July 25 2015 07:50 GlowingBear wrote:
OH IS A POST RESTRICTED GAME!
Don't worry, we still have a storage with Onegu This is more likely to be townbear, I can't explain exactly why and it's super weak. Just to give you an idea if everyone starts at 50/100 on the mafia scale, the people I've mentioned so far are just a few points above or below null. If I reach a strong read this readthrough I'll be sure to let you know. Speak of the devil. Translation: "Hey, this guy looks a little scummy and this guy looks a little towny. Don't lynch me and let me go back to my mafia corner." Why are you giving us your town reads? How does that help us find mafia? This post you made here was completely pointless. There is nothing of substance here. Shut up Lol I think palmar is town I want to ask snickers why he thinks defending yourself makes you mafia? I was going to say I like the new guy early on but his like second attack on palmar after he posted felt really forced. you scum read palmar for having a "skimpy" (awesome word) filter, now he is here to contribute going crazy on him feels like an overcompensation. I don't like Glowingbear so would happily lynch him. On July 26 2015 03:13 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 03:03 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 03:00 KelsierSC wrote:On July 26 2015 02:56 Palmar wrote:On July 26 2015 02:55 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 02:50 Palmar wrote:This is kinda scummy. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am also a cop. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean detective fuck OP's are hard to read. The reason being is that the latter post tries too hard to make it obvious his claim is bullshit. It's more likely that mafia would semi-waffle on their claim or make it weaker than a townie who is just trolling. On July 25 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:On July 25 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
beautiful warm day
birds chirping
bugs chirring
the chlorine didn't burn out my eyes
but guys, guys, guys...
rayn is scuuum ^^ he totes just scumslipped and i'm totes 100% serious ^^ guys! guys! guys! listen to me... lol more seriously, i dunnae, bf...that's a bit too obvious to really mean anything, don't you think? -fades back into the ether- This is also kinda scummy for almost the same reason. The overemphasis that it's a joke. I'm not going to try to hang either of them based on only this, but at least it's something. On July 25 2015 07:50 GlowingBear wrote:
OH IS A POST RESTRICTED GAME!
Don't worry, we still have a storage with Onegu This is more likely to be townbear, I can't explain exactly why and it's super weak. Just to give you an idea if everyone starts at 50/100 on the mafia scale, the people I've mentioned so far are just a few points above or below null. If I reach a strong read this readthrough I'll be sure to let you know. Speak of the devil. Translation: "Hey, this guy looks a little scummy and this guy looks a little towny. Don't lynch me and let me go back to my mafia corner." Why are you giving us your town reads? How does that help us find mafia? This post you made here was completely pointless. There is nothing of substance here. Shut up Lol I think palmar is town I want to ask snickers why he thinks defending yourself makes you mafia? I was going to say I like the new guy early on but his like second attack on palmar after he posted felt really forced. you scum read palmar for having a "skimpy" (awesome word) filter, now he is here to contribute going crazy on him feels like an overcompensation. I don't like Glowingbear so would happily lynch him. If what Palmar is doing could be considered contribution, I wouldn't have a problem here. Like I said, he hasn't done anything of substance. What exactly has Palmar contributed? Also, why do you think Palmar is town? Do you agree with his reads? well he is here reading the game and giving leans either way on quite a few players. your contribution so far has been to attack palmar for a small filter, and now he is here to attack him again. Like I said it didn't really make sense. From my perspective if I had someone as scum for being skimpy i'd give them more of a chance to post and maybe read some other players, not just tunnel the shit out of them. The way you acted, didn't feel correct. @snickers - You called rsoul mafia for defending herself Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 02:00 Snickers wrote:
let me defend myself then say im not defending myself
let me bitch about people not doing anything and then proceed to do prty much nothing and you seemed to have a problem when you thought I was doing it Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:27 Snickers wrote:
what is with you defending yourself more than anything else Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:41 Snickers wrote:
whoa u didnt fall for the trap of defending urself again. the fact you even asked me to qualify that statement is suspicous. so tell me why does it make people scummy. GB - because I read your posts and they felt stupid On July 26 2015 03:18 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 03:17 GlowingBear wrote:On July 26 2015 03:13 KelsierSC wrote:On July 26 2015 03:03 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 03:00 KelsierSC wrote:On July 26 2015 02:56 Palmar wrote:On July 26 2015 02:55 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 02:50 Palmar wrote:This is kinda scummy. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am also a cop. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean detective fuck OP's are hard to read. The reason being is that the latter post tries too hard to make it obvious his claim is bullshit. It's more likely that mafia would semi-waffle on their claim or make it weaker than a townie who is just trolling. On July 25 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:On July 25 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
beautiful warm day
birds chirping
bugs chirring
the chlorine didn't burn out my eyes
but guys, guys, guys...
rayn is scuuum ^^ he totes just scumslipped and i'm totes 100% serious ^^ guys! guys! guys! listen to me... lol more seriously, i dunnae, bf...that's a bit too obvious to really mean anything, don't you think? -fades back into the ether- This is also kinda scummy for almost the same reason. The overemphasis that it's a joke. I'm not going to try to hang either of them based on only this, but at least it's something. On July 25 2015 07:50 GlowingBear wrote:
OH IS A POST RESTRICTED GAME!
Don't worry, we still have a storage with Onegu This is more likely to be townbear, I can't explain exactly why and it's super weak. Just to give you an idea if everyone starts at 50/100 on the mafia scale, the people I've mentioned so far are just a few points above or below null. If I reach a strong read this readthrough I'll be sure to let you know. Speak of the devil. Translation: "Hey, this guy looks a little scummy and this guy looks a little towny. Don't lynch me and let me go back to my mafia corner." Why are you giving us your town reads? How does that help us find mafia? This post you made here was completely pointless. There is nothing of substance here. Shut up Lol I think palmar is town I want to ask snickers why he thinks defending yourself makes you mafia? I was going to say I like the new guy early on but his like second attack on palmar after he posted felt really forced. you scum read palmar for having a "skimpy" (awesome word) filter, now he is here to contribute going crazy on him feels like an overcompensation. I don't like Glowingbear so would happily lynch him. If what Palmar is doing could be considered contribution, I wouldn't have a problem here. Like I said, he hasn't done anything of substance. What exactly has Palmar contributed? Also, why do you think Palmar is town? Do you agree with his reads? well he is here reading the game and giving leans either way on quite a few players. your contribution so far has been to attack palmar for a small filter, and now he is here to attack him again. Like I said it didn't really make sense. From my perspective if I had someone as scum for being skimpy i'd give them more of a chance to post and maybe read some other players, not just tunnel the shit out of them. The way you acted, didn't feel correct. @snickers - You called rsoul mafia for defending herself On July 26 2015 01:59 Snickers wrote:
lol youve done so much scummy shit On July 26 2015 02:00 Snickers wrote:
let me defend myself then say im not defending myself
let me bitch about people not doing anything and then proceed to do prty much nothing and you seemed to have a problem when you thought I was doing it On July 25 2015 19:27 Snickers wrote:
what is with you defending yourself more than anything else On July 25 2015 19:41 Snickers wrote:
whoa u didnt fall for the trap of defending urself again. the fact you even asked me to qualify that statement is suspicous. so tell me why does it make people scummy. GB - because I read your posts and they felt stupid Tell me what's stupid in them. Also, tell me why stupidity is a sign that I'm Mafia. for you it's not I'd still lynch you though On July 26 2015 05:39 KelsierSC wrote:
simple reason why rsoul is angry? probably the same reason i appear "annoyed"
idiots and snickers. but i repeat myself On July 26 2015 21:14 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 18:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why does he say his spreadsheet is shitty?
Why would anyone keep a shitty spreadsheet?
Also why does he say there are scummy voters on Hopeless? Who is scummy on Hopeless?
i am apparently not, so it has to be Clarity. I don't know how he ends up in Clarity being mafia when he is voting for the same person (Hopeless) and Clarity thinks Hopeless is mafia. It doesn't make any sense. It also doesn't make any sense he uses a plural on "voters", because it is impossible he thinks more than one person on Hopeless is mafia.
Unless he is lying about his read on me or his read on himself. This is a really good post. Snickers I think you're town and I love the energy you're bringing but Onegu is not the lynch today. I'd lynch Scott or Tofu. Scott is partly because of his early play which I questioned him on and I think rayn's point about his spreadsheet is good. Tofu, his second "push" on palmar felt bad. his secondary scum also felt like he didn't really give a shit "rayn's been quiet"...yeh well it's a post restricted game but rayn had stepped up by that point. Then a throw away bf has a small filter. I don't like obi either People I think are town rayn, rsol, snickers, onegu, palmar there are others that I should try to work out; hopeless, clarity, obi, bf. I want to read more from them. GB you can just say nothing and that would be fine. The progression is this, for people that doesn't want to read the posts: Kelsier says he doesn't like me and he would lynch me happily. I ask him why he doesn't like me. He says everything I post looks stupid. I asked him what is stupid in them and why does that makes me mafia. He said it doesn't make me mafia but he would lynch me anyway, and that he is annoyed because idiots (like me) are annoying him, but never says what are the problems with my posts. He then comes to the thread and says he wants to lynch "hopeless, clarity, obi and bf", not wanting to lynch me. It's simple: he said he didn't like me hoping to have me as an option for mislynch. When I confront it, he says I look stupid but he forgets it's something he doesn't believe is alignment indicative for me. Then he says he would lynch me anyway implying that I annoy him. Well, I wasn't raising suspicions on him since that time. Now I've being pressuring him for the rest of day1 and he doesn't want to lynch me anymore LOL. He is not annoyed with it. What I mean with this is: his actions does not follows his discourse, which is mostly a scum trait. Add to this the fact that he answers almost NOTHING of my posts directed to him. He just deflects them, adding to point (2) of this case.4) HE IS VOTING TOFU INSTEAD OF SCOTTHE IS FUCKING VOTING TOFU INSTEAD OF SCOTT. SCOTT WAS THE FIRST GUY TO ANNOY HIM (AND KELSIER WOULD LYNCH PEOPLE DOING THAT)! Why he doesn't prefer a scott lynch? Hell, a lot of people thinks he is mafia! Instead of going against the guy that certainly looked as mafia for him, he is going against questionmark!Tofu. More than that, he wasn't advocating for a lynch on Scott, but opened a range of possible lynches he would go against (tofu, scott, obi, clarity). IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, PEOPLE! COME ON!!! + Show Spoiler [WIFOM] + Points on Kelsier were brought many times and no one quickly jumped on it, not even Scott, who was suspicions on Kelsier in the first place. The quick and unreasonable town reads Kelsier got points out that scum didn't want him as a possible mislynch. I am POSITIVE Kelsier is mafia. Vote him with me. ##Vote: KelsierSC 1. I didn't "constantly whine about wasting posts" I made one comment because it was a stupid point and boxerfred couldn't look up a game from last week. At the time I posted "everyone was playing shit" I didn't have one single person as town because people kept posting stupid things. 2. I thought scott had posted scummy things, I quoted something he posted that didn't make sense. I'm giving scum leans snickers posting wasn't productive so I ended that whole argument 3. You are an idiot, that is why I would lynch you, it doesn't matter your alignment. If you are mafia I would happily lynch you. If you are town, you are a complete imbecile who will spout nonsense and actively harm town, for example , making terrible cases against people who are town. so I would happily lynch you. 4. I would lynch tofu or scott, at the time I was in the thread I thought tofu was the better lynch and voted him. you can sit down and be quiet now. Then do work and lynch me. Lynch the imbecile. You fail to point out ONE STUPID ARGUMENT I've brought. And no, I'm not falling for the shit fight invite, I'm sorry. Even if you're town here, you're not worth it. I don't care about lynching you today because I have scum reads. Just assume that everything you post and will ever post in any future game is stupid. Safe bet You are just disrupting town with terrible cases as usual. So be quiet
So, another excuse to deflect pushes on you 
We are agreed then. You ignore me and I'll advocate your lynch until the end of the game.
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On July 27 2015 04:39 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 04:37 GlowingBear wrote:On July 27 2015 04:33 rsoultin wrote:
@ GB
1. he's used his posts to contribute and make reads - point is wrong
2. could be if the point is the very last sentence...but i interpreted it as him saying that (scott? i think it was?) shouldn't be shutting down my reads just because he thought ksc was "scummiest"
3. yeah, null read is null here still - point is wrong
4. you're still stuck on "annoyance" meaning that ksc thinks you're scum - point is wrong
the only point that holds any water here, gb, is the second, just as rayn said, and frankly i can still easily see it coming from town so it doesn't outweigh all the things that i think makes ksc town this game Well, I think point 2 is damning enough. I can get what you're saying about the others. But, as I stated, he repeatedly deflected pressure. It wasn't only on that post. He never answered my other pushes on him, he shut snickers down too. I think it's very damning I don't see the points on tofu. I do see the point on scott 2 isn't damning at all if it's how i interpreted it to be? like, i get it could be either way, i'm not ksc, but if i can interpret it as coming from both alignments and see nothing else to make me think ksc is scum, it's not enough for me to change my mind? that simple why not clarity, rayn? i really think he's scum :/
You're talking about the interpretation you have on his answer to scott, and I'm talking about him shutting down ANY pressure put towards him, that can't be object of double interpretation. It is a deflection of pressure.
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