Newbie Student Mafia XIII - Page 5

On July 29 2015 04:04 NocturneMage wrote:
Just got home from work.

So people don't want to lynch Sulfurus - reading his last few posts and I have some questions.

- why is he looking at disformation (between him and Breshke)

On July 25 2015 07:52 Sulfurus wrote:
Towns

• raynpelikoneet
  
• Damdred
  
• Flexes
  
• Breshke
  
• ruXxar
  
• rels
  

And ofcourse lynches in order of aproximate scumyness

Lynches

• Barakos
  
• MoosyDoosy
  
• n00bKing
  
• NocturneMage
  
• TickTock
  
• disformation
  

I apologize to disformation for putting your name on the list; I think your probably town but I needed a sixth name.

On July 29 2015 04:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:
*shrugs* For me this is a good test to sniff out alignments through reactions of all parties involved. To be truthful I was reluctant to switch and with this quick change in voting, things do seem a bit off. But I think this lynch will at least give us a ton of info.

On July 29 2015 04:44 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Yes.

Nah, just saying the obvious. We're all thinking the same thing but not saying it.

On July 29 2015 04:46 Damdred wrote:
This is interesting.

Everyone who has moved why did you move to the Scott wagon.

On July 28 2015 06:07 disformation wrote:
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If scott doesn't up his game I will be willing to vote for him.
[...]

On July 28 2015 22:26 disformation wrote:
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Read Scott's filter. Don't like him jumping on every decent case he sees but I don't mind his attempt at VCA that much. Though overall his contribution so far is kinda lacking. Tempted to maybe give him another day. But also depends on how much more/less likely I judge ruXxar/TT/MD to be scum.
[...]

On July 29 2015 02:39 disformation wrote:
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like... is the scum team Breshke + flexes/scott ?

On July 29 2015 02:49 disformation wrote:
TBH would vote Scott (not looking good + POE) or Breshke atm.
MD or TT could be scum, but I don't strongly believe that and am not sure who of the two is more likely to be scum.

On July 29 2015 03:53 disformation wrote:




Since I have a 100% winrate with lynching scott D1 so far...
##vote scott31337

On July 29 2015 04:55 Damdred wrote:
Everyone comments on mages now, his re-entrance to the thread and his subsequent vote make m think scum.

On July 29 2015 05:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Why are you not voting? Your vote is not counted if you did too.

On July 29 2015 06:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:

So who are you voting for instead?

On July 29 2015 06:44 Damdred wrote:
It could be green checks only go so far

On July 29 2015 07:12 Damdred wrote:
Come on now we talk about mages why tt over mages for people?

On July 29 2015 08:00 Damdred wrote:
Let's talk about reads a bit and do work instead atm.

Also I think,Barak spewed noob town in one of his first posts as wifom as that is

On July 29 2015 04:03 Breshke wrote:
TT is third on the list mainly because of POE.
[...]

On July 24 2015 10:34 n00bKing wrote:

Yeah, I actually thought my initial vote would be against Sulfurus, and then when someone asked why I made the vote, I would be like "Because he's the Godfather?" But then ruXxar made his post about how nice it felt to be carefree and under no scrutiny, and I felt compelled to put a vote on him, just to interrupt his nirvana.

I'll be interested to see what Sulfurus brings to the table in this game. I felt like it was pretty easy to distinguish his scum game in Newbie 12 from his Town game in Newbie 10.

On July 25 2015 06:23 n00bKing wrote:

1) What read do you mean?
2) I completely agree.
3) Come on, man. You mentioned earlier that Barakos might have been "buddying" with that comment. But he's not, it's obviously just a joke. He's not actually trying to give me town credit for knowing how to count. How could you think that? I've seen players try to buddy up to me before (or "pocket" me, as it seems to be called around here), and I'm definitely wary of it. But this is not an instance of that. For him to name me top town for knowing how to count is the same as if he named rayn top town for having the most letters in his screen name. Pay attention.

On July 25 2015 06:47 n00bKing wrote:

Okay, then I agree with Moosy. You are dumb. I cannot begin to imagine how anyone could take that comment from Barakos seriously. Not for a moment did I think he was trying to buddy up to me, or pocket me, or give a read on me. It's clearly a joke. And in fact, the post from me that he was responding to when he made the joke, was ALSO a joke. His joke plays off of mine.

On July 26 2015 11:06 n00bKing wrote:

Because it WAS a joke. Barakos AFK'd the rest of the Phase, so he never came back to confirm it. But ask him after the game is over. I bet he'll tell you it was a joke.

On July 26 2015 05:04 n00bKing wrote:

So yeah. All that stuff about him giving analysis on a better lynch target, and doing a better job of defending himself, obviously did not happen.

One of the other things I was scumleaning him for (which I don't remember reading from anyone else, though I might have skimmed some of the longer cases on him, since I was already scumleaning him myself, and was waiting to see if he would come back and perform better to change my mind) was the appeal to emotion in that same post (the post that everyone hates). Appeal to emotion is a mafia tactic.

He complains about the poor weather and feeling bad, and the headaches. So that he'll be a sympathetic figure in our subconscious, and not someone we want to kick out of the game right away before he can have any fun. I've seen scum players do this kind of thing in a few of the games I've been in (outside TL) and we also JUST saw JonnyLaw do it as scum in the Lost But Not Forgotten game. Any true-to-life excuse that they can use to get sympathy (without needing to lie about it) is a tough opportunity to pass up.

My other arguments against Barakos feel like a re-hash, so I'll stop after just adding that one point.

Since no one seems to want to help me pressure Rels...

##Unvote
##Vote: Barakos

On July 27 2015 01:25 n00bKing wrote:

I'll give ya 3 reasons.

1) Remember this?

And then this?

And then this?

I said what things Barakos would need to do in order to alleviate my suspicion. He never did those things. I had long expressed contentment with lynching him, so I...followed through on it.

2) Like I said, my attempts to pressure Rels weren't getting any traction. At the time that I moved my vote, having it on Rels was just barking at the moon. (In fact, I probably had about as much chance of getting The Moon lynched as getting Rels lynched.) I was at work for EoD, so there was a chance I wouldn't be around at the deadline. With Barakos having a 6-2 vote lead over Moosy, it looked pretty unlikely that there would be any late "shenannies" but I saw no reason to take any chances. I was not going to have my afk vote on Rels give anyone an opportunity to move the Noose from Barakos to Moosy.

Those two reasons are good enough on their own, so feel free to skip this third one if you want, because it may not make sense to you anyway.

3) In the Mafia-by-forum games I played before coming to TL, there was normally a variation on the Vigilante role, that worked a little differently from how he works in this game. And there were roles that could "Pardon" someone who was lynched, so that they didn't die. In an instance like that, the Vigilante goes and attacks whoever he voted against that Day. That lets the Scum look at the vote count and eliminate some people as potentially being the Vigilante. The more scattered the votes are, the more it helps them narrow down the Vigilante's identity. This gives the Town incentive to consolidate votes toward the EoD. So I have this long-standing instinct drilled into me, to do vote consolidation, and it keeps me from leaving my vote uselessly stranded on Rels when no one else is voting against him.

On July 27 2015 01:33 n00bKing wrote:

What the....why does this post look like a quote, when you had never said this before? lol, anyway...

Yes, me pushing Rels all day long makes no sense from a scum perspective. If I had been teamed with Barakos, I would have either:

1) Gotten Moosy lynched in Barakos' place (which looked entirely possible, based on thread sentiment).
or
2) Bussed the living snot out of Barakos.

Pushing on Rels does NOT maximize my chances of getting a mislynch and saving Barakos.
Pushing on Rels ALSO does NOT maximize my chances of getting Town cred when Barakos flips Red.

My Day 1 play makes no sense, as a teammate of Barakos.

Explaining the play from Rels on Day 1, as a teammate of Barakos, is comparably much easier. He bussed him. Explanation over.

On July 27 2015 05:13 n00bKing wrote:
#6: Ticktock - As he pointed out, we're on the same page about virtually everything. When I notice a flawed argument and wait for someone to point out the same problem with it that I see, he has done that a time or two. When I ask him a question, he gives me the answer I want to see. And sometimes, when I think about asking him a question, he gives me the answer I want to see before I actually get the question posted. Hated the tarot stuff, but he's been a useful contributor since. Don't mind seeing him get a few answers from the "Town leaders" since no one else was doing it. Think his defense of Barakos would have been awfully bold if he were Scum, in a setup that guarantees either a Cop or Vigilante.

On July 27 2015 13:22 n00bKing wrote:

Jesus, Ticktock. If rayn is our vet there can't BE a Doc. You JUST posted the setup roles, in the post before this one. lol

Upgrading Ticktock from Town to DumbTown (which is even bettter).

On July 27 2015 17:31 n00bKing wrote:

I already upgraded him from Town to DumbTown. If Ticktock is Scum, I'll eat my hat.

On July 29 2015 06:35 n00bKing wrote:
REASONS TO THINK TICKTOCK IS TOWN

1) Tarot crap needlessly draws attention to himself and makes people irritated with him, especially after a late entrance to the thread. WIFOM is in play here, but this is slightly Town-indicative, because it is self-detrimental for the Scum version of himself.

2) Questions the "bigs" when no one else is doing so. This again makes him conspicuous. Challenging the Town leaders will make them more likely to want to lynch him later (and boy are we seeing that from rayn) but he shows no fear of those consequences.

3) Named me as a Top Town read, and said he's "never lynching me." I'm the only player that (at that stage of the game) he could name as Top Town, and I could be sure he's right about it. I don't have any reason to think that TickTock would believe I could be "pocketed" by this type of move. So it looks legit.

4) Half of Breshke's participation in this game has been due to prodding from TickTock. This could be scum-motivated only if they are both Scum. Otherwise, Scum Ticktock has no interest in making Town Breshke participate more.

5) Soft defends Barakos, when a Scum player would be more likely to either bus him HARD (to maximize Town Cred) or defend him HARD (to maximize the chances of saving him). If he wasn't sure which direction to go, he would probably just not mention him at all. Instead, he participates in conversations about Barakos, but allows himself to be in a hazy middle on him. Scum is not going to be wishy washy about a guy he knows will flip Red, while Town sentiment is clearly against the guy.

6) Correctly identified the 3 players who are mostly likely to have bussed Barakos. I had the exact same 3 players in mind, and I'm Town, so it makes me think he's coming from a Town mindset as well.

7) When I interrogated him about how he selected those 3 names (without offering ANY hint as to what the correct answer might be) he gave the correct answer. He used the same process I did, and again, I know that process came from a Town mentality.

8) Was DumbTown on Day 2, forgetting that a Doctor and Veteran cannot co-exist, which a Scum player would know, because of the fact that they know the setup.

9) Was DumbTown MUCH worse on Day 2 when he said that if he was the Cop and had a redcheck on someone, he wouldn't reveal it. He said the person should stay hidden and get more checks. Because if they reveal themselves, they'll just get roleblocked or killed. This is RIDICULOUS, because if the Cop has a redcheck, it IS the roleblocker. And there are no more checks to get, because the other Scum player is the Godfather!

No Mafia player could ever make this mistake genuinely. And no Mafia player would know what I just wrote above, and yet tell the Town that if a Cop has a redcheck they shouldn't say so.

##Townshield: Ticktock

On July 29 2015 10:06 Sulfurus wrote:


Not really. The green check does make Moosy townier but he still needs to die before the game ends.

Also a lot more people should have town reads on me since I was the only player to town read our cop back when it was unpopular. *dons hipster shades*

BTW have you rolled mafia before Dis?

On July 29 2015 10:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
smh this Day ruined my fucking mood. Tictock was such a townie I don't know how anyone saw otherwise. scott is still suspicious af, ruXxar is 9000+ town because he's still spewing garbage, Breshke needs to give a fuck, rayn needs a slap in the face, disinformation needs to help me out here because he's the only one making sense to me rite now.

On July 29 2015 10:23 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I made this looong post where I drew up lists from all the voting times, people on me and other townies, my blanket list from earlier, and Damdred's thoughts that we shouldn't lynch people on the Barakos wagon. The list of people I was left with was Tictock/Breshke/scott/Sulf/ruXxar/Mage.

I read Tictock as town, scott claimed, ruXxar is 9000+ town, leaving us Breshke/Sulf/Mage.

I can post the post which I made before everyone started flip flopping through votes like fish if you guys want to see it but I decided not to post it and see how things turned out. Either way, it looks like the list is still good to go and my thoughts were only further confirmed by this mislynch.

On July 29 2015 10:31 MoosyDoosy wrote:
@disformation, a lot of n00bKing's thought process does come from confirmation bias so it's fine to ignore those things. He's been doing it ever since he came to TL so I don't find it strange at all.

What I want are your thoughts on Breshke/Sulf/Mage.