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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 24 2015 18:05 GMT
#390
Rels i thought Mooseguy is town for this post:
On July 24 2015 10:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 10:07 Breshke wrote:
On July 24 2015 09:53 Damdred wrote:
Initial reads before anything else happens

Disinformation and Ruxxor are obviously town to me atm, this is subject to change but tone wise and frequency of posting so far lead me in the general direction of duh they are town.

And then my first weird feeling came from this post.


On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote:
On July 24 2015 08:47 disformation wrote:
On July 24 2015 08:41 ruXxar wrote:
I intentionally attempt to change my meta every game.
The ebb, and flow, the flavor, the topping, the innards.
Sometime it's just a sparkle on top, taking the edge off, a tone shift, an aggressive approach, a preachy approach.
Aggregation of information molded and grinded into the essence of simple axioms I can follow to improve my play and enjoy myself.

You only get as much out of the game as you put into it.
I need to engage in my own way.
Repetition grows stale, experimentation fosters newfound interest and pathways not previously considered.

My #1 goal is to have fun.
In my seeking of that goal I need to be flexible and formless.
Able to adapt and implement ideas, mix new and old, step out of my comfort zone to discover the the trails that do not necessarily lead to victory in the short run, but over time complements my play as a whole.


Fair enough.
Might still take a look later on in the game. *shrugs*
Might depend on how much of an easy/hard time I have reading you later I guess.

So far only 4/13 players have posted. Bit of shame. Might go to bed soonish since I am having a bit of a headache. -.-


Yeah... weather here in germany sucks... I've been feeling like shit the whole day...

And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.-

Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon...

Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him.

Nocturne coming in and asking lots of questions seems kinda active. But a lot of his posts/ questions are targetet at other peoples opinion about the alignment of person x/y/z, without actually giving his own thoughts...

Disformation - several posts... mostly about ruxxars other games and the difference in tone, also the only one, who openly likes ruxxars style... What I don't like, is that he defends the "bullshitting" in the start of the game. Granted, it's hard to start a conversation early on and you kind of have to do something, to get the thread going, (and you kinda have to give ruxxar credit for this - he created something, people can talk about) but encouraging him to keep this up the whole game seems kinda off to me.

Noobking - totally top town for being able to count, how many people have posted, just to correct disformation!


This post just smells off to me, it seems like a lot of information doesn't say a lot doesn't draw many conclussions and gives the thought of doing a lot of things while doing nothing at the same time. Giving him a scum lean even this early

Breshke is also a bit odd so far, the questions without other opinions just strikes me a bit funny.


Ehh my question to barakos was just making sure he wasnt trying to say rayns thing was scummy. The ruxxar one I am still kind of waiting for a reply.

So it starts with this

On July 24 2015 07:40 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:36 n00bKing wrote:
I'll keep posting this at the start of each game, until people actually start following it. From the General Guide on how to play:

Don’t babble. If you speak without having a clear goal in mind, you impede the town and decrease everyone else’s productivity. This paralyzes town analysis and decision-making and allows mafia to hide in the chaos

Not totally sure that ruXxar is in violation yet. But...it kinda seems like it.

He knows that some of us have seen him play as both allegiances already, so I'm not a fan of him making this wild change in his posting style. It could serve as a decent smokescreen.


Ah, but my goal is clear and simple.
Discussion must flow for alignments to be revealed.

When making unorthodox comments you gain traction and arouse thoughts.
Am I scum, am I town?

As you judge me, I judge you.
A dead thread benefits no one.

Let your thoughts flow unfiltered and you have nothing to fear.


The ye olde play of ill do weird shit to get people to talk about my weird shit then get reads off said people. Except noobking (in a roundabout way but still fairly obvious) that this could be a decent smokescreen for ruxxar infering that he thinks ruxxar is doing this as scum. So ruxxar got what he wanted and someone is talking about his stuff yet when asked to give a read on noobking he dodges it.

On July 24 2015 07:54 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:24 disformation wrote:
Hm I would read ruxxars posts so far as NAI.
Not alignment indicative. The poetry stuff could have been preplanned. The tone is all fluff. *shrugs*
But then again, breaking the ice on D1 is kinda hard. xD


It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read?

I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking?


A read from a sentence?
What do I analyze, the tone, the cadence, the befriending emoticon?
The timing, his motivation, his meta?

A sentence says so little yet says so much if you but know what to look for.

I will not pass judgement on n00b yet, but you nocturne, you have showed your true colors.
The natural curiosity, the spontaneous doubt, your inquisitive nature and your non-hesitation to share with us of your life.
I read you clear as a book.

Your alignment is town.


While saying that there is not enough to read noob off of yet is a fair point. Yet doing the play where he makes weird posts at the start of the game i expect ruxxar to peruse those reads and he doesn't do this with noobking. His only other post directed towards noobking are complaining that he can not read him. I don't see evidence of him trying to work out noobkings alignment from reactions to his openings or other means which I feel is contradictory to the first post i quoted.

I think ruxxar is scum

Also i would like to add that i think noobkings smokescreen post was really townie because it showed paranoia to me which i feel like is hard to fake as mafia.

Ooooh boy this post. This post this post this post. You might be onto something here Damdred.

That's how i tend to post sometimes. Why explai neverything when you can force people into actually thinking why are posting the stuff you do? that, and his overall eagerness to read ruxxar and carefree attitude.

Anyways i had some doubts later, but i am back to thinking he is town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 24 2015 18:06 GMT
#392
Actually no, i am not sure anymore. I misread something.

Moosedude what's your read on Barakos?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 24 2015 18:09 GMT
#394
On July 25 2015 02:48 ruXxar wrote:
Moosy, you threw a lot of shit on me for not giving any reads.
Yet I can't find a single one of your reads besides me.
When are you going to contribute this game hmm?

What are your reads?

but that's not true.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 24 2015 18:11 GMT
#396
Why is noone voting for Barakos when he is lying?
also being scummy.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 24 2015 18:13 GMT
#397
Do you guys think Barakos is really reaction testing people when he specifically points a finger on me, when my reaction is to vote for him he has nothing to say about it?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 24 2015 18:14 GMT
#399
On July 25 2015 03:14 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 03:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 25 2015 02:48 ruXxar wrote:
Moosy, you threw a lot of shit on me for not giving any reads.
Yet I can't find a single one of your reads besides me.
When are you going to contribute this game hmm?

What are your reads?

but that's not true.


Where did he give his reads?

inbetween lines.
read more carefully.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 24 2015 18:16 GMT
#403
On July 25 2015 03:15 ruXxar wrote:
Either way I don't want inbetween lines.
I want an explicit list of reads.

yeah i would like that too.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 24 2015 18:16 GMT
#404
and no i am not going to quote his posts.
we'll see what he says.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 24 2015 18:20 GMT
#407
On July 25 2015 03:17 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you guys think Barakos is really reaction testing people when he specifically points a finger on me, when my reaction is to vote for him he has nothing to say about it?

No I think he's likely scum. But I gave him until tomorrow to post more stuff and convince me.

Why is that? He is clearly lying since he should be interested in what i said about him:
- He kinda called me mafia as a part of his "reaction test"
- He literally should expect a reaction (that results in a read or questions) from me
- Three people called him mafia, me, you and Damdred
- He gives a TOWNREAD on you two (yeah like if he is town why the fuck would you and Damdred be TOWN for calling out scummy stuff that a townie did? like if i was mafia i would totally jump on that - there is no reason to give you a townread for it in the first place) yet he has NOTHING to say about me, who HE called out in the first place.

yeah that dude is scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 24 2015 18:21 GMT
#408
On July 25 2015 03:17 disformation wrote:
Where is barakos lying? I feel like I missed something.

He is lying about his scummy post being a "reaction test".
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 24 2015 18:21 GMT
#409
His post was scummy because he is scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 24 2015 18:26 GMT
#413
On July 25 2015 03:23 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 03:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
His post was scummy because he is scum.


You sound pretty confident/convinced. Let me look at his filter for a moment.

you don't even need to.
you jsut need to look at the fact he SHOULD expect a reaction from me to his "reaction test".
Yet he talks nothing about me after i VOTE for him.

Like this is pretty straightforward.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 24 2015 18:28 GMT
#414
I can do a multi-quote post if this is that hard to understand but i'd rather not waste time on that.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 24 2015 18:30 GMT
#417
On July 25 2015 03:30 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 03:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can do a multi-quote post if this is that hard to understand but i'd rather not waste time on that.


I thought that I remember at one point TL had a multiquote option.
Is that my mind playing tricks with me?

yes.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 24 2015 18:34 GMT
#420
On July 25 2015 03:26 Rels wrote:
Because when he said his post was scummy it implied that he was starting to make good posts. Which I want to see so we have something to discuss and we don't lock an auto Lynch for 24 hours.

I do not understand this line of thinking Rels.
Why would you give a pass to a person who is likely to be mafia, just because he promises to "make better posts"?
It makes no sense at all. What is your thought process here? Do you think alot of townie stuff somehow cancels scummy stuff? Because it really doesn't. Mafia does townie things (usually mostly) and then they do scummy things. If someone does scummy things they cannot reasonably explain when questioned they are probably mafia, whatever the other things they have done are.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 24 2015 18:36 GMT
#423
On July 25 2015 03:31 Rels wrote:
Meh I will have to reread carefully but I'm pretty sure he said it was a reaction test for those playing in newbie X.

Okay let's imagine this is the case.
None of those people have played with me.
Why would he, if that was the case, EVER bring up my opening post (which was btw the first post in the game - it literally means nothing whatever i post unless i claim something) and later on say it was a PART of the reaction test? Unless he wants a reaction from me?

People who haven't played with me cannot possibly know how i open up my games (if that even mattered; see above).
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 24 2015 18:36 GMT
#424
On July 25 2015 03:34 ruXxar wrote:
rayn rayn rayn

???
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 24 2015 18:40 GMT
#427
On July 25 2015 03:39 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 03:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 25 2015 03:34 ruXxar wrote:
rayn rayn rayn

???


Are you mafia?

of course i am not mafia.
why would you think so?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 24 2015 18:43 GMT
#430
Tictock you need to start to be clear and underandable right now, thank you.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 24 2015 18:49 GMT
#433
On July 25 2015 03:43 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 03:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 25 2015 03:31 Rels wrote:
Meh I will have to reread carefully but I'm pretty sure he said it was a reaction test for those playing in newbie X.

Okay let's imagine this is the case.
None of those people have played with me.
Why would he, if that was the case, EVER bring up my opening post (which was btw the first post in the game - it literally means nothing whatever i post unless i claim something) and later on say it was a PART of the reaction test? Unless he wants a reaction from me?

People who haven't played with me cannot possibly know how i open up my games (if that even mattered; see above).

Meh maybe. I think the argument of the reaction test being a lie is much stronger.

Like there are three things, from strongest to weakest, why he is mafia:
1) I am certain, if that was a reaction test, he would have had a reaction to my reaction. Instead he has a reaction to you and Damdred's responds.
2) There is no reason he should townread anyone for scumreading him for doing scummy stuff. rofl, that's like a mafia heaven, you can make a LEGITMATE CASE ON A TOWNIE (assume you are mafia here - you see a townie pull off a fucking scummy post, why wouldn't you call them out for it?). People who do reaction tests do not think like this.
3) His read on disinformation
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