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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-06 07:13:26
August 06 2015 07:12 GMT
#2688
On August 06 2015 05:52 GlowingBear wrote:
Rayn, my point is: if you're hosting a newbie game and you see a newbie doing the most suicidable possible move is your duty to remind them that the shot won't go through.

I always had in mind that roleblocking self isn't possible because it uses the game mechanics to violate the game rules (shot not going through in a game mafia must shoot), which I consider cheating. It's abusive. If you have a rule that explicitly says Mafia can't skip a kill, game mechanics can't possibly overrule this.

And I can rant as much as I want in obs QT. It wasn't fair that the team had their scum partner killed over nothing, and it wasn't fair that noob got his kill roleblocked and therefore checked by the cop.
The fairness I'm saying here is not related to the host.

What is related to the host is the duty he has to make the rules clear. You will never ask for clarification if you think your interpretation of something is right. You're putting the blame on the "victim" here.

No GlowingBear. It is ONLY your job to remind your scumteam.
Like it was literally told to to the scumteam that the KP is delivered on N1.
The mafia team sent in DELIVERED KP on N1 and N2!!! How is anyone supposed to think they did "not understand how the KP works"?!?!?!? Like wtf are you guys even arguing about? Suddenly on N3 the scumteam just decided the KP is not delivered anymore....

There is nothing LS should have clarified at this point.

And for the record Barakos was always going to get lynched whatever he says after his set of posts.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-06 07:53:31
August 06 2015 07:53 GMT
#2690
I am not arguing LS did not do anything wrong regarding the setup.
I agree that rules should be more clear from the beginning.

I am arguing it is never the host's job to tell the players what they should/should not do. This is what happens in LS' setup. If you roleblock yourself as the last mafia you do block your nightkill, because of what the roleblocker does.

I am arguing your team should have not made their own decisions on what the setup is (when it clearly isn't) and it was YOUR and ONLY YOUR job to tell them not to do that. Basically, as an advice, never assume something that is not there. In this case, ffs never assume something that is IN FACT CLEARLY STATED THE OTHER WAY AROUND ALREADY.

That's what i am saying. n00bKing shot himself in the foot because he somehow thought what he thinks is more true than what the host says. It's not an issue if the rules make sense or not. It has nothing to do with it. It is that the rules were clear, and he went against them because he thought they do not make sense. But that's irrelevant. The rules were clear. Period.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 06 2015 07:55 GMT
#2691
Like if the mafia had something to complain about the KP, they should have done that when LS told them to "select a person to deliver the kill" on N1, instead of sending in delivered KP in two nights, then jsut decide on their own the KP is not delivered any more but factional instead because it suits them.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 06 2015 19:06 GMT
#2696
yeah i do not either.
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