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On July 27 2015 11:47 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 11:37 ruXxar wrote:On July 27 2015 11:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am a veteran. Not surprised at all. Figured you were either medic saved or the veteran. To me you were the NK target 100%, which means you are on point.. Someone might say "but oh, mafia have a role blocker, why didn't they just role block rayn then shoot him?" I don't think mafia thinks like that.
The chance that you hit the veteran the first night is so low that I think mafia takes that chance and just tries to block the cop instead.I'm gonna look through your filter again to see who might be wanting to kill you. I'm tempted to just write this off and say "God your bad" But I'm pretty sure you know better than this...
Allow me to explain why mafia doesn't RB their NK:
1) mafia are in a shitty position.
2) the list of good cop checks is fairly small.
3) if mafia allow the cop free checks 2-3 nights in a row they're in a terrible spot.
4) mafia priority #1 is to avoid cop checks. They get 2 shots at this by splitting the NK and the RB.
5) if their NK or RB target is the cop then great! If their NK target is the veteran then too bad. But they have to take that risk to win at this point.
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On July 27 2015 12:00 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 11:49 ruXxar wrote:On July 27 2015 11:47 Tictock wrote:On July 27 2015 11:37 ruXxar wrote:On July 27 2015 11:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am a veteran. Not surprised at all. Figured you were either medic saved or the veteran. To me you were the NK target 100%, which means you are on point.. Someone might say "but oh, mafia have a role blocker, why didn't they just role block rayn then shoot him?" I don't think mafia thinks like that.
The chance that you hit the veteran the first night is so low that I think mafia takes that chance and just tries to block the cop instead.I'm gonna look through your filter again to see who might be wanting to kill you. I'm tempted to just write this off and say "God your bad" But I'm pretty sure you know better than this... Really now? How should I know better? You really think scum, who know if there is a vet or not, would risk loosing their KP for the 1/10 chance that they can RB the cop? Especially when they are already down a person? Doesn't make sense at all. Also I'm pretty sure rayn was making a joke.
Really? You must be telepathic or something because there is no way I can read a joke out of that one sentence.
It makes 100% sense that he was the NK.
Or here's an idea:
What if he isn't the vet and was trying to bait mafia reactions to his claim, such as your reaction calling it a joke since you know it isn't true.
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Shoutout to everyone:
If you got a notification of being role blocked then you need to speak up.
You are confirmed town unless someone counter claims being role blocked.
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On July 27 2015 13:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 12:58 n00bKing wrote:On July 27 2015 10:24 Tictock wrote:
Nice save medic!
Seems pretty likely that we have Doc/Cop setup going, slim chance of a Vigi who held their shot (which you shouldn't do if your a vigi). Guess Vigilante could also have been roleblocked. But yeah, Cop seems more likely. Then again, Doctor was more likely than Veteran, and we have a Veteran claim now, so you never know. How the fuck was doctor more likely than a veteran?!?!?!?
Here's how:
Veteran is given to a townie at random.
A medic save can be directed.
The list of reasonable NK targets is smaller than all the players in the game.
Therefore the chance that a medic saved a potential NK target is higher than mafia randomly hitting a veteran.
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Ebwop; meh, take out the mafia from potential NK and you know whet I mean.
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On July 27 2015 16:25 Rels wrote:Second, I was roleblocked. My potential night actions were: Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 17:39 Rels wrote:
Alright first thing about actions:
If I was cop I would check noobking.
If I was vig I would shoot Flexes. So I believe one of these two is mafia.
Rels buddy I never doubted you're town! I'm so happy right now 
Also multiple people said shoot flexes which is not why you hit role blocked.
You got role blocked because mafia thought you were the cop.
Who said that n00b was a good check this game?
I think only you and rayn if I remember correctly.(he changed check later)
(On phone can't check)
You could also be role blocked simply for talking about cop checks.
I will investigate this later tonight.
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I have a paranoia team in my head of tictock + n00bking haha.
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Like, look at how the pushes are going:
At this point mafia have to work together.
They absolutely do not want to lose another member at this point.
I feel like tic tictock and n00bking were the only ones to try and resist the Barakos lynch.
They also both strongly suggested that Barakos was being bussed, which I think is the wrong conclusion.
And they also have these weird interactions with each other where they mind meld on this bussing idea and other ideas.
I think there could be something going on here.
Will check later
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@moosy I would love to push you, but it feels almost too easy.
I really don't like how you respond with "I'm mafia".
I don't know why you're doing that if you're trying to get town read.
There's plenty of time to push you later after I considered everything else.
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On July 27 2015 17:06 Rels wrote:
ruxxar what is your opinion on Breshke ? Can't remember anything he did. And that is usually a big signal.
Breshke being forgettable is exactly how he plays town.
I played with him last game and I had a null read in him all game since I couldn't remember anything noteworthy that he did.
I was actually more suspicious of him when he was posting a lot at the start since it found that a-typical for him.
Will read his filter again later.
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On July 27 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 18:03 n00bKing wrote:On July 27 2015 17:59 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 17:57 n00bKing wrote:On July 27 2015 17:50 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 17:47 n00bKing wrote:On July 27 2015 17:26 Rels wrote:
Wow this is ridiculous. That is WIFOM, not worse than WIFOM. Look at these possibility:
1
noobking is a mafia (not GF). Rels said he was going to check noobking. The mafia team has to roleblock Rels to avoid a red check.
2
Flexes is mafia. Rels said he was going to shoot Flexes. The mafia team has to roleblock Rels to avoir a mafia kill. Those are not reasonable "possibilities." If Flexes is Scum, and knows there is a Vigilante in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be shot by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Vigilante, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town). If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town). The second scenario is particularly ludicrous, because you're trying to tell me that after I spent Day 1 and Night 1 painting you as a suspect, I then up and ROLEBLOCKED you, in a game where there is a guaranteed Scum roleblocker but no possibility of a Town roleblocker. ??? I agree that if you are mafia, it's bad for you to roleblock me (or kill me). BUT if you know there is a cop in the setup, you have no choice but to do that. Bad situation but wifomable > red check. lol, NONSENSE. What didn't you understand about "If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town)."? I don't understand. You are saying: - I'm probably not the cop - On the off-chance I'm the cop, I won't check you I don't understand why you are saying that. Especially the second part. HOW CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT?? I still don't get why you are saying this: - On the off-chance I'm the cop, I won't check you This is going nowhere. Let's stop here.
Let's not stop here, I want an answer to this.
Why would rels not check n00nking if rels is cop.
Explain like I'm 5.
You already called me dumb so I need extra spoon feeding.
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On July 27 2015 17:13 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 17:10 ruXxar wrote:On July 27 2015 17:06 Rels wrote:
ruxxar what is your opinion on Breshke ? Can't remember anything he did. And that is usually a big signal. Breshke being forgettable is exactly how he plays town. I played with him last game and I had a null read in him all game since I couldn't remember anything noteworthy that he did. I was actually more suspicious of him when he was posting a lot at the start since it found that a-typical for him. Will read his filter again later. Are you talking about this game
Yes.
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On July 27 2015 20:22 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 19:58 ruXxar wrote:On July 27 2015 17:13 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 17:10 ruXxar wrote:On July 27 2015 17:06 Rels wrote:
ruxxar what is your opinion on Breshke ? Can't remember anything he did. And that is usually a big signal. Breshke being forgettable is exactly how he plays town. I played with him last game and I had a null read in him all game since I couldn't remember anything noteworthy that he did. I was actually more suspicious of him when he was posting a lot at the start since it found that a-typical for him. Will read his filter again later. Are you talking about this game Yes. You were mafia in this game. How could you have a "null read of him all game".
Because I was reading the thread and couldn't remember anything he said.
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On July 27 2015 19:56 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 18:03 n00bKing wrote:On July 27 2015 17:59 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 17:57 n00bKing wrote:On July 27 2015 17:50 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 17:47 n00bKing wrote:On July 27 2015 17:26 Rels wrote:
Wow this is ridiculous. That is WIFOM, not worse than WIFOM. Look at these possibility:
1
noobking is a mafia (not GF). Rels said he was going to check noobking. The mafia team has to roleblock Rels to avoid a red check.
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Flexes is mafia. Rels said he was going to shoot Flexes. The mafia team has to roleblock Rels to avoir a mafia kill. Those are not reasonable "possibilities." If Flexes is Scum, and knows there is a Vigilante in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be shot by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Vigilante, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town). If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town). The second scenario is particularly ludicrous, because you're trying to tell me that after I spent Day 1 and Night 1 painting you as a suspect, I then up and ROLEBLOCKED you, in a game where there is a guaranteed Scum roleblocker but no possibility of a Town roleblocker. ??? I agree that if you are mafia, it's bad for you to roleblock me (or kill me). BUT if you know there is a cop in the setup, you have no choice but to do that. Bad situation but wifomable > red check. lol, NONSENSE. What didn't you understand about "If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town)."? I don't understand. You are saying: - I'm probably not the cop - On the off-chance I'm the cop, I won't check you I don't understand why you are saying that. Especially the second part. HOW CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT?? I still don't get why you are saying this: - On the off-chance I'm the cop, I won't check you This is going nowhere. Let's stop here. Let's not stop here, I want an answer to this. Why would rels not check n00nking if rels is cop. Explain like I'm 5. You already called me dumb so I need extra spoon feeding.
Really want an answer on this from n00b.
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On July 27 2015 20:58 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 20:54 ruXxar wrote:On July 27 2015 19:56 ruXxar wrote:On July 27 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 18:03 n00bKing wrote:On July 27 2015 17:59 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 17:57 n00bKing wrote:On July 27 2015 17:50 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 17:47 n00bKing wrote:On July 27 2015 17:26 Rels wrote:
Wow this is ridiculous. That is WIFOM, not worse than WIFOM. Look at these possibility:
1
noobking is a mafia (not GF). Rels said he was going to check noobking. The mafia team has to roleblock Rels to avoid a red check.
2
Flexes is mafia. Rels said he was going to shoot Flexes. The mafia team has to roleblock Rels to avoir a mafia kill. Those are not reasonable "possibilities." If Flexes is Scum, and knows there is a Vigilante in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be shot by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Vigilante, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town). If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town). The second scenario is particularly ludicrous, because you're trying to tell me that after I spent Day 1 and Night 1 painting you as a suspect, I then up and ROLEBLOCKED you, in a game where there is a guaranteed Scum roleblocker but no possibility of a Town roleblocker. ??? I agree that if you are mafia, it's bad for you to roleblock me (or kill me). BUT if you know there is a cop in the setup, you have no choice but to do that. Bad situation but wifomable > red check. lol, NONSENSE. What didn't you understand about "If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town)."? I don't understand. You are saying: - I'm probably not the cop - On the off-chance I'm the cop, I won't check you I don't understand why you are saying that. Especially the second part. HOW CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT?? I still don't get why you are saying this: - On the off-chance I'm the cop, I won't check you This is going nowhere. Let's stop here. Let's not stop here, I want an answer to this. Why would rels not check n00nking if rels is cop. Explain like I'm 5. You already called me dumb so I need extra spoon feeding. Really want an answer on this from n00b. I can not comment objectively, but I think Tiktock spoke the truth. We should concentrate on other people that noobking or myself. We're both pretty angry, so nothing productive will happen if we're pushed. Any thought on Sulfurus ruxxar ?
??
Why do you not want an answer to this question?
I don't think his "answer" made ANY sense at all.
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On July 27 2015 21:13 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 21:05 ruXxar wrote:On July 27 2015 20:58 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 20:54 ruXxar wrote:On July 27 2015 19:56 ruXxar wrote:On July 27 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 18:03 n00bKing wrote:On July 27 2015 17:59 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 17:57 n00bKing wrote:On July 27 2015 17:50 Rels wrote:
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I agree that if you are mafia, it's bad for you to roleblock me (or kill me). BUT if you know there is a cop in the setup, you have no choice but to do that. Bad situation but wifomable > red check. lol, NONSENSE. What didn't you understand about "If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town)."? I don't understand. You are saying: - I'm probably not the cop - On the off-chance I'm the cop, I won't check you I don't understand why you are saying that. Especially the second part. HOW CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT?? I still don't get why you are saying this: - On the off-chance I'm the cop, I won't check you This is going nowhere. Let's stop here. Let's not stop here, I want an answer to this. Why would rels not check n00nking if rels is cop. Explain like I'm 5. You already called me dumb so I need extra spoon feeding. Really want an answer on this from n00b. I can not comment objectively, but I think Tiktock spoke the truth. We should concentrate on other people that noobking or myself. We're both pretty angry, so nothing productive will happen if we're pushed. Any thought on Sulfurus ruxxar ? ?? Why do you not want an answer to this question? I don't think his "answer" made ANY sense at all. Yesterday I was in his shoes. I wrote a big post saying how he was mafia for a tons of reasons, and when I reread it before posting I realize most of it was nonsense. I'm pretty happy I did not post it. I mean, read his last posts. He got progressively angry and started using majs. Mafia are usually calmer than that. I too don't understand this sentence, but I decided to ignore him for the day and let him and I get more calm. We'll continue this tomorrow. IMO you should do the same. Maybe I won't be like that if we didn't have other solid leads. But I feel Sulfurus and Flexes are very suspicious, and TT and MD are worth talking about.
No, it's a simple question with simple answer.
He can answer it today.
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On July 27 2015 21:18 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 21:14 ruXxar wrote:On July 27 2015 21:13 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 21:05 ruXxar wrote:On July 27 2015 20:58 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 20:54 ruXxar wrote:On July 27 2015 19:56 ruXxar wrote:On July 27 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 18:03 n00bKing wrote:On July 27 2015 17:59 Rels wrote:
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I don't understand. You are saying:
- I'm probably not the cop
- On the off-chance I'm the cop, I won't check you
I don't understand why you are saying that. Especially the second part. HOW CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT?? I still don't get why you are saying this: - On the off-chance I'm the cop, I won't check you This is going nowhere. Let's stop here. Let's not stop here, I want an answer to this. Why would rels not check n00nking if rels is cop. Explain like I'm 5. You already called me dumb so I need extra spoon feeding. Really want an answer on this from n00b. I can not comment objectively, but I think Tiktock spoke the truth. We should concentrate on other people that noobking or myself. We're both pretty angry, so nothing productive will happen if we're pushed. Any thought on Sulfurus ruxxar ? ?? Why do you not want an answer to this question? I don't think his "answer" made ANY sense at all. Yesterday I was in his shoes. I wrote a big post saying how he was mafia for a tons of reasons, and when I reread it before posting I realize most of it was nonsense. I'm pretty happy I did not post it. I mean, read his last posts. He got progressively angry and started using majs. Mafia are usually calmer than that. I too don't understand this sentence, but I decided to ignore him for the day and let him and I get more calm. We'll continue this tomorrow. IMO you should do the same. Maybe I won't be like that if we didn't have other solid leads. But I feel Sulfurus and Flexes are very suspicious, and TT and MD are worth talking about. No, it's a simple question with simple answer. He can answer it today. Hahaha he's going to be soooo angry =D can't wait to see that.
I can't wait.
@reads, I'll give you an answer little later, need to work in front of boss 
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Opinion on sulfu:
His playstyle is very unorthodox, and I'm not very fond of it.
However, its distinctly different from his play in my other game with him.
His read on flexes was really weird, he got the totally opposite reaction of what I had, I thought flexes posts were slightly scummy or NAI at best, yet he called him super town for it.
It's really hard to judge flexes due to the fact that he got replaced, but yeah I disagree with his read on flexes.
I asked him why flexes was more town than disformation, and he compared flexes to nocture instead.
His reads list is not bad, I think he's got a lot of the people in the right places, but calling it auto this early is way too early. No way he can be that certain.
I think he's just overexcited.
He's been watching a lot of daily mafia and thinks he's acquired tremendous scum hunting abilities.
Wanted to seem cool by spouting some DM terminology.
I understand that, I've been there too.
Sulfurus has a very confident tone, not afraid to state his opinion.
This is very different from his scum game.
I think sulfurus is town.
I don't like his play, but I don't think its scummy.
##Townshield sulfurus
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On July 28 2015 05:23 n00bKing wrote:And are you voting for anyone?
Still deciding between my top lynches.
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On July 28 2015 06:20 Sulfurus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 04:46 ruXxar wrote:
His read on flexes was really weird, he got the totally opposite reaction of what I had, I thought flexes posts were slightly scummy or NAI at best, yet he called him super town for it.
It takes a lurker to read a lurker. But seriously there is a really deep bias among some people in this game that post count is proportional to townyness, maybe for some people, but if you actually look at flexes filter with the knowledge that something distracted him from the game (kinda why he got replaced) then it makes more sense why he is towny. Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 04:46 ruXxar wrote:
I think he's just overexcited.
He's been watching a lot of daily mafia and thinks he's acquired tremendous scum hunting abilities.
Wanted to seem cool by spouting some DM terminology.
I understand that, I've been there too. tru tho My auto list is legit though; someone asked (TickTock?) if I will ever reconsider it and the answer is I think about how I could change it whenever I read the game but it's pretty set in stone except maybe I would rather lynch breshke over disformation but it could go either way.
Yeah this guy is town 100%.
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