@TickTock I don't want to blow this out of proportion, but however you worded it, that's what you implied. And it stands against you. It's not the only reason, or even the main reason I would vote for you, but I do count it against you. I guess it's for others to decide who they believe (or whether they believe both of us...).

Fidei86

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July 17 2015 17:02 GMT

#741

@TickTock the reason why everyone else is maintaining their reads on TJH is because he hasn't said almost anything in the last three days. A lot of town players scum read him, then he went away. You're the only one who has been switching it up so much. The only actual reason you have for switching your vote is that he promised "important information". You read it as him softing blue, but I don't buy that. It could mean any number of things. And it isn't really that your 'read' has changed, it's more that you keep saying he is "scummy" but asking people to imagine worlds where he isn't scum.

And your read on Scott has been similarly all over the map. As far as I can see your only reason for town reading him is that he posted that vote count block with the Sulfurus wagon in green. Except he WASNT the first person to say that. N00b and HTS both either said it or heavily implied it, as did KSC. It was hardly the keen insight you make it out to be (and it's another of your half-truths, which are becoming irksome).

You have made reads on other people, I agree. I actually like your case on SW (whose filter I am pretty meh on. My comments on his first two incredibly poor posts aside, I thought he had done a fair enough job for a new player. However I totally accept that I could be giving him a pass on that basis alone, so I will re-read his filter next).

Overall I would describe your posting as going at 100kph in a 40kph zone. You're shifting your reads on AFK players based on tiny shreds of evidence, or on nothing at all. You also were "reluctant" to town read me at first for no real reason, then you later moved on to say that the entire Sulfurus wagon was pure, again with no new evidence whatsoever.

Look, you're a strong player. So I know you won't get offended when I say that I just don't like your approach to this game. If you're town, then clearly we just view the game differently. But I am inclined to continue to scum read you.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 17 2015 17:08 GMT

#742

Also, re my seven points on TJH, I actually did write them down on a piece of paper. Stupidly I didn't bring it when I left the office. However, the one that hasn't been said before I don't think is that in his first post he said he was an incredibly strong player and liked to pick up on and tunnel on small logical inconsistencies. He was right, he did nitpick at Grokken's first post and at my getting a bit shirty with Moosy. But when it came to it, he didn't take either of those reads anywhere and he basically coasted through D1.

Oh, and something I just thought of - HTS' case on Sulfurus was incredibly strong. I'm ashamed of myself now for not spotting what she did, because it was incredibly chronic. I really need to go back to D1 and look at who had the chance to read and consider the wagon, but decided to go elsewhere. Because either they are misguided town or scum.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 17 2015 17:11 GMT

#743

... And to nobodies surprise, it looks like the only person to post in between HTS making her utterly unassailable post on Sulfurus and the EOD was ... Wait for it ... TJH.

For someone who claims to be the greatest player ever to descend from heaven and treat us to his presence, he missed an absolute gimme. I don't buy it. I think he's scum and we will be lynching him next.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 17 2015 17:14 GMT

#744

Back to TT, you said in your last post that it bugged you that nobody was making a case on TJH. Did you not see n00b's saga-length post on that? Apart from that being exactly the thing that you were lamenting didn't exist, it's also very comprehensive. This game simply isn't long enough for there to be *that* much to go on. And TJH isn't even posting. What are we going to do, give hourly reports on how his lurking is making us feel? No. He was scummy, and cases were made on him. Now he's AFK and those cases still stand as they did.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 17 2015 17:16 GMT

#745

In short, and to butcher an excellent Al Franken line, your biography in this game should be titled "half-truths and the half truth tellers who tell them."

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 17 2015 17:22 GMT

#746

I should really vote now, just to make sure the blocs start forming early so we can do more VCA.

##Vote: TJHuggins

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 17 2015 17:40 GMT

#747

Okay. I just read SW's filter. I need to go back and check WP's filter now, because I have this weird sense that those two have basically been saying the same thing as each other all game. To the archives!

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 17 2015 17:48 GMT

#748

I guess the good thing about this particular tunnel I'm in at the moment is that it's so short, but SW and WP have literally not interacted at all in any meaningful way.

SW doesn't say anything about WP at all (except to list him as neutral in his reads list). WP does touch on SW in his 'mega' post, but it all ends up nowhere. Later, when responding to a point that Scott made on SW, WP deflects it back into a, now that I think about it, extremely contorted point (I can't c&p on my phone, but basically Scott pointed out something SW said and WP said "oh so you're saying now we should lynch you."

It makes perfect sense for a newbie scum pairing to interact like they are.

Also, neither of them have really contributed much by way of original thought (it has almost all been parroting), and both of them have filters shorter than one page.

I need one of my town homies to give my thinking a critical look though. Given that I'm now basically scum reading five players (TJH, TT, WP, SW and Scott (Scott because I never forgive lurkers, and because he has been useless)), I've clearly gone quite clearly wrong somewhere.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 18 2015 08:09 GMT

#802

Wow okay. Nice job team. I think Grokken's claim makes total sense. He actually fits the classic blue mould - has tried to offer his thoughts but hasn't been as open and uncaring as a VT would be. I believe Grokken.

Also, with that, it means that I was totally wrong on my TT read. Sorry buddy :-(

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 18 2015 08:17 GMT

#803

On July 18 2015 09:13 MoosyDoosy wrote:
@Half the Sky, what do you think of Fidei86 vs Tictock? I'm interested in your opinion on it. I would ask n00bKing but I trust your reads more while I trust n00bKing more for his association cases.

If you'd been through Holy Guardians, you'd be terrified of TickTock too. He literally was like Teflon that day. Think Holyflare, but without all of the emo stuff that HF pulls.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 18 2015 08:43 GMT

#804

Hey Grokken, just one question, why did you check TT over TJH?

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 18 2015 09:39 GMT

#807

That makes perfect sense, and it's what I was thinking too.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 18 2015 10:22 GMT

#808

I think the last Mafia is Silent Warrior. Here is my reasoning:

1. The circumstances of TJH's claim are just utterly bullshit. He is universally read as scum, but doesn't claim as soon as he has his red check after N2. I don't think there's any way that we would believe him over the inevitable counter claimer, and he can't of thought we would either.

2. However, there has to be some pretty serious panic in the scum team. With Grokken green checking MD and TT, and with me, n00b and HTS all pretty likely to be town, they had to make a play. The claim alone isn't the play here. They need a way to buy some serious town cred, and the only way for them to do that is to have TJH attempt to bus his partner. They were hoping that people would conclude that SW was almost certainly town. That has already worked a little bit.

3. If, for some strange reason, we actually had believed TJH's claim, then he would be pretty well confirmed cop. We'd then lynch the cop. Yes, at that point TJH is in a bad place, but he would have had the chance to get two more NKs and hopefully get rid of town leaders who would be able to nail him to the mast.

It's pretty YOLO, but it's not like scum have many avenues left. If our TJH lynch is correct, we could basically just lynch all of the non-town circle in order and still win.

That, and TT's case on SW was good and now that I know he's town we know he has no other agenda.