TL Mafia LXXI: Gaiden
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Y U NO /in? | ||
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Are you saying that because your retirement is hard but it could be much much harder? | ||
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On June 30 2015 00:28 marvellosity wrote: it can always be much much harder. Especially when nurses outfits are involved. Oooh... you're dirty. I bet you need a bath | ||
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On June 30 2015 04:52 marvellosity wrote: na, you've pitched that right on my level :p /in someone who shall remain nameless guilted me into it sorry dad x Nice... and I was about to promise a series of naughty nurse pictures for as long as I was alive (and you were alive) in the game. Now I get to save that for another game. | ||
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Wave... you said you'd keep our relationship a secret from Marv. I can't believe that you out us to him like this. | ||
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On June 30 2015 11:32 GlowingBear wrote: Can I be part of that orgy too? It's not an orgy. It's a series of interconnected trysts. Jeez. | ||
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On July 06 2015 02:19 Damdred wrote: Sounds good how much can I afk without getting lynched again? Depends if you say something really towny early on again. | ||
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On July 06 2015 03:39 Damdred wrote: One day you will explain this meta read of yours Not really. It's just kinda like Marv. You have a way of thinking as town that I can recognize because on some level I understand it. | ||
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On July 06 2015 07:26 LightningStrike wrote: You already got a vote on someone like he's scum it not going to be just his entrance it would be for other things as the game goes on... Scum #2 I've caught. | ||
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On July 06 2015 07:56 KelsierSC wrote: A thousand splendid suns geript who is #1? Clarity | ||
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On July 06 2015 08:00 Clarity_nl wrote: Can't help but notice that your vote is on me geript. Would you like a piece of candy before we lynch you? | ||
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On July 06 2015 08:01 WaveofShadow wrote: ##vote: Holyflare He's town this game babycakes | ||
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I'm bussing all my partners to try and get them to concede on D1 before I have to fight with BH to let me NK one of my partners so I can claim that I vigi shot them. | ||
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On July 06 2015 08:12 ruXxar wrote: Top town at this point is damdred and Scott. #BatTraps. I dare you to say battraps again and think you won't be lynched for it. | ||
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Oh and btw Wubby is 100% town. | ||
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On July 06 2015 09:14 Holyflare wrote: Player List 1) Marvellosity 2) Scott31337 3) WaveofShadow (filter) 4) Clarity_nl (filter) 5) ruXxar (filter) <--- pretty sure 12) Trfel (filter) 16) KelsierSC (filter) 20) Damdred (filter) 21) rsoultin (filter) 24) Holyflare (filter) I'm not sure if you're right on Damdred. I'm sure you're wrong on wave. I agree about Ruxx. The big thing though is that you're wrong on Wave. He's town. | ||
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On July 06 2015 09:20 Holyflare wrote: i don't care what you think about wave tbh so cool You better start caring because you're not going to lynch him because I don't get to play with him often and we're both town. So find a different lynch to push. | ||
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On July 06 2015 09:30 ritoky wrote: Over-emphasized defense at this point in the game. In the event geript ever flips mafia, WoS is likely town cuz blatant attempted pocket/spew. Fuck you ritoky. I know my shit. And I'm very rarely (if ever) wrong about hatd stances I take. I know HF is fucking stupid and crazy enough to push Wubby regardless of his actual read on him. I also know it'll eat up a shit load of useful discussion. You also make it out like I wouldn't ever do that as mafia with Wave. Which is flat out wrong. I just have some god like early reads so don't lynch people I townread for crazy dumbass insane inventive reasons. Not now. Not ever. | ||
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On July 06 2015 09:47 KelsierSC wrote: what is the point in this, like who is town or scum as a result? The fucking point is God damn learn to fucking read me. There's very little I do as town I wouldn't as mafia. Regardless of any other circumstances. So quit posting bullshit about how I would or wouldn't do shit as mafia because you're wrong about it. Just learn how to fucking read me and then listen to my goddamn stellar town reads when I'm town. | ||
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On July 06 2015 09:50 KelsierSC wrote: but you said hf push on WoS didnt matter if wos was town or scum ? so wtf is happening Yah. Because HF is town and he'll push Wave regardless of what HF thinks wave is for funsies. He'll do it to spite him for voting for HF. He'll do it because it's sunday. | ||
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On July 06 2015 12:41 ruXxar wrote: Geript I wanna be a better player. What is the sure fire tell that oats is mafia? Magic. And no Wave. He didnt' play just this way in the last game. It is slightly different in a meaningful way. Like, idk how to describe it. But he doesn't have a thing to care about and how he's calling people mafia is more trolly/and he gives too few fucks. | ||
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I'd like to point out that Oats doesn't respond like this when he's town. He'd actually attack me in some way or push at me. | ||
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On July 07 2015 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote: Do the words "investigator" mean anything to you? First off, that's one word dumbass. Second the word investigator means nothing to me. It shouldn't to anyone. It's fucking stupid. Roles are listed in the op. | ||
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You're not reading very closely. | ||
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On July 07 2015 00:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Look, just cause geript spouted some shit last game, doesnt mean he didnt slip this game. Regardless, he is scum outside of that Awe.... That's cute. You still believe in scumslips. This is what you're second or third game. Don't worry. You'll grow up at some point. | ||
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On July 07 2015 00:36 marvellosity wrote: i'll rephrase: whatever you're doing is making me want to lynch oats less and less, whatever his alignment is. ok bbcakes. It's not my fault that you're not all up on specific player's trolling meta, or how they annoy people. Or the fact that they don't get into shit fights with people where they make fucking retarted statements without calling them scum. You know, like it wasn't obvious already. Ok here's my argument. I'm Dumbledore and I have a red check on Oats. | ||
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On July 07 2015 01:59 marvellosity wrote: funnily enough, the I was the strongest preference of the lot ^_^ And here I thought your strongest preference was always the P | ||
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On July 07 2015 02:41 Holyflare wrote: yeh what a useless post again you are the master of useless posts | ||
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On July 07 2015 03:40 Holyflare wrote: well keep on being poop then geript, nobody is going to listen to a line of post that says 0 reasons on why someone is mafia Keep on being poop HF for not being good enough to understand my reads | ||
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On July 07 2015 03:42 marvellosity wrote: your attitude is pretty scummy because it looks like you're angling to be ignored while whining that you're being ignored. Nah, it's just that have no intentions of helping you guys and will ignore everyone and anyone who chooses to ignore my reads. It's a 2 way street marv. You know I tend to have very good reads early on and very strong well developed meta reads later on. Especially my townread early on are usually quite on point; exceptionally fantastically on point. It's one of the reasons why I've made a note that I still don't have a townread on Damdred. That should at least alert you to there being a problem there. | ||
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Clarity_nl Vivax Bill Murray ritoky Meapak_Ziphh Trfel LightningStrike ObiWanShinobi milo109 Oatsmaster Damdred rsoultin XEliteBlueHunter69X People not currently in my town circle | ||
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Re HtS... I looked at her filter. Seemed pretty honest and not super post just to posty. She's probably town on that alone. | ||
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On July 07 2015 08:10 Half the Sky wrote: How do you differentiate (like a quote or something) his interest in being town versus his interest as either alignment? I think to his last two games, particularly the large normal Guardians and some people weren't having the greatest towny vibes there either and his vote d1 several cited as particularly suspect. Palmer hates playing scum unless he's on a super stacked team in my experience. | ||
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On July 07 2015 08:15 Trfel wrote: Palmar generally plays the game more seriously as scum than as town. Not really. He plays to troll and/or not get modkilled. | ||
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On July 07 2015 08:11 geript wrote: I'd also point out that very few people are in any way interested in lynching Oats. That very rarely happens when he's town. Because people have missed it. | ||
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On July 07 2015 08:58 rsoultin wrote: better than rit or truffle i still have like no read on him, though? Well at least Marv PalmAr and HF all agree that we should lynch him for not playing like his town meta. So let's get onto that people. | ||
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On July 07 2015 09:21 marvellosity wrote: You're welcome :p I'm docile as fuck though haha Well I appreciate your strong support on the Oatsmaster lynch. Best decision of your life. | ||
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1. He's playing differently than he does as town. 2. He's responding differently than he does as town. Yes. He randomly calls people scum for bad reasons; but that's not alignment indicative. Rather look at the scope of things. There's no overarching thought process behind it. Not even a bad one. As town, there is a series of thoughts behind who he calls scum and why. It will bend it's way back and forth between what he says. Rather, there's no thought behind anything whatsoever. It's just mafia this person. That's BS. There's no interconnectivity between his reads which you see when he's town. Second, he doesn't snap back at people like he did at me as town. Like he'll bring it with more of a push or a thought as to why I'm scum and push me OR he'll make a push to try and figure out what he actually thinks about things. In short, he's posting how he usually does. But it lacks the real impulsivity his town play has and lacks the theme his townplay has. | ||
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On July 07 2015 10:35 Holyflare wrote: also geript i don't know about the meta so i can't really comment on it's accuracy so it's kind of a giant wall of text right now, trfel's new post is like wtf since he scum reads ls for something his town read and I have said is town indicative from LS and if he was reading the thread there's no way he misses that Ok. IDK wtf to do w/ trfel. He's weird. I actually find the whole trfel-rso-ls triangle pretty weird to be honest. | ||
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Just saying folks. It's pretty easy. | ||
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On July 07 2015 14:26 rsoultin wrote: oh i see why you're voting geript, oats...reminds me of bats lol >< it's just as flawed as that was, though No it's not. I've listed at least 4 different distinct reasons for why I'm voting for him and why you should as well. BTW, all of them are damn good reasons. And none of this even brings up my magic first post reads. | ||
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On July 07 2015 14:21 rsoultin wrote: that at least i've seen a lot although in all honesty i think i've seen him call people mafia without a reason, or is this specific to just voting? Call people mafia... yes. Push people as mafia... no. | ||
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So if you aren't voting for Trfel or Oats, then you better have a damn good case on them as of right now or you're not helping/are scum. | ||
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On July 07 2015 14:39 Oatsmaster wrote: Oh sorry, you need a reason why your play is scummy? How about doing nothing but continously call someone mafia but not actually trying to convince people I'm mafia. Doing nothing but this the whole day. Yeah, you can die. That's right Oats. I've never said anything to push you or made any arguments against you the whole time. Keep on lying bro, cuz you about to get your ass lynched. | ||
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FWIW, there's probably a good amount of mafia in this group right here. Interesting how similar it is to my "not town reads" list. | ||
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i don't remember you dont like hf but uou like ,marv? ???[/QUOTE] [quote=Scott]No, you misunderstood here. Marv usually does a bit more as town then his one post - he's probably waiting for his buddy Palmar - they love to interact - I'm not caring for Marv. HF has a slight townlean for now, I liked his first post (although it could have been pre-made, I had a mindmeld with it)[/QUOTE] Seems quite clear. Kelsier's all like, "LOL WUT??? U LIKE MARV'S BIG GAY DICK?" Scott's all like, "U RED DAT RONG BITCH. I DON'T LIKE MARV BUT HE MAY BE WAITING FOR PALMER." I understand that english isn't your first language. But your comprehension is terrible. Somehow you thought Oats was the thread sentiment when I pushed him. Now you're trying to make a case where there's literally nothing there. You're completely divorced from any sort of actual reality. I'm just trying to figure out if you're a few nuts short of a fruitcake or if you're plain old mafia. Either way, you're a detriment. | ||
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Kelsier wrote: i don't remember you dont like hf but uou like ,marv? ??? Scott wrote: No, you misunderstood here. Marv usually does a bit more as town then his one post - he's probably waiting for his buddy Palmar - they love to interact - I'm not caring for Marv. HF has a slight townlean for now, I liked his first post (although it could have been pre-made, I had a mindmeld with it) Seems quite clear. Kelsier's all like, "LOL WUT??? U LIKE MARV'S BIG GAY DICK?" Scott's all like, "U RED DAT RONG BITCH. I DON'T LIKE MARV BUT HE MAY BE WAITING FOR PALMER." I understand that english isn't your first language. But your comprehension is terrible. Somehow you thought Oats was the thread sentiment when I pushed him. Now you're trying to make a case where there's literally nothing there. You're completely divorced from any sort of actual reality. I'm just trying to figure out if you're a few nuts short of a fruitcake or if you're plain old mafia. Either way, you're a detriment. fixed for prettiness | ||
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On July 07 2015 16:54 Vivax wrote: This is what you say in your odd confidence, not what he said. You also leave out the part from the second post where he said he didn't care about marv previously but the first post is formulated as if. You mean where he says, "I'm not caring for Marv"? Because that could mean that he can't care (for Marv) in Marv's place. Or it could mean the usual thing, you know that he doesn't care for Marv. Like how I don't care for running. Or like how I don't care for cauliflower. You see this is the bullshit. There's no about in that statement. It's not me in my confidence anything. It's basic fucking reading comprehension. He's isn't "not caring about Marv". He is "not caring for Marv." So keep up with your bullshit so you get shot. | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Hf's giant list of people he has no idea about really bothers me. Same thing when geript does it. I agree. Seeing HF in a nighty and pink frilly panties is quite disturbing. | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:06 ruXxar wrote: Talk to me about vivax geript, I don't get a good vibe from this guy at all. Read my posts about his severe lack of connection with reality. | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:16 marvellosity wrote: his was one of the filters i looked at earlier and came away thinking that i didn't really know either way, let me go refresh myself EBH made that big post right before I came out with my "not in my town circle" list. I remember reading it a few times and being like 'eh shrug.' | ||
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On July 07 2015 07:09 geript wrote: Scott31337 Clarity_nl Vivax Bill Murray ritoky Meapak_Ziphh Trfel LightningStrike ObiWanShinobi milo109 Oatsmaster Damdred rsoultin XEliteBlueHunter69X People not currently in my town circle This is a good list to start I think we should focus on: Scott Clarity Ritoky Oats Damdred | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:24 marvellosity wrote: does anyone think ritoky is town outside his claim? or at least, i should rephrase, are there posts that might make you think he could be? How could they? | ||
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Why don't you seem to care about Vivax? He's practically been reading a different game entirely. It reminds me of the DP/Palmer/Vivax scumteam game. Where Vivax's reads were literally completely misconstrued shit. HF. Look at Vivax. You caught him that game so you might remember more. | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:38 marvellosity wrote: are you telling me this isn't the epitome of his towngame also? Yah, but usually he lives in a bizarro universe. Not in a complete alternate timeline/reality. | ||
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On June 19 2015 05:29 Blazinghand wrote: DMLE Investigator (Vanilla Townie): You’ve been working in Precinct 16 for a long time. You’ve seen a lot of messed up things in your day. When the going gets tough, you don’t stop. Every case takes a little bit out of you, but someone has to do this work. You are a VT. Investigator Extraordinaire (Vigilante): You keep on thinking back to your idol, Rita Skeeter. You want to be just like her. You’re not gonna let things like an “ongoing investigation” or “hostage situation” stop you from writing your character assassination pieces. You’re a journalist; you and your quick-quotes quill doesn’t afraid of anyone. At night, you can fire a bullet to deal 1 kp to a target. You can't shoot during night 1. Very hard to read the OP. Much tough. Very braindead. | ||
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On July 08 2015 02:07 Oatsmaster wrote: So why didnt you say something referring investigator to vt? Why would I need to? | ||
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Why are you so fucking retarded? Like I actually get your dumbassery now and you might not actually be mafia. But if you're town then you're a fuckwit because this line of thinking doesn't work in any game let alone a BH game. | ||
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On July 08 2015 02:21 Oatsmaster wrote: Again, why did you respond like I was talking about investigator cop rather than investigator VT? Never did dumbass. Never did. | ||
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On July 08 2015 02:26 Oatsmaster wrote: I slip as mafia means anyone can slip as mafia. So you're admitting that you scumslipped this game. Sweet. Just post baby seals now. | ||
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On July 08 2015 02:34 Holyflare wrote: hehe anyway, milo or HtS are the lynches today, you can take your pick! If you're too lazy to read HtS then that's fine as long as you just admit that Nah. Oats needs to be taught a lesson for believing in scumslips. | ||
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Vivax Bill Murray Meapak_Ziphh Trfel ObiWanShinobi Damdred rsoultin XEliteBlueHunter69X I still think I'd rather lynch Damdred or Bill Murray. Damdred doesn't seem to be thinking anything like how he thinks as town and BM is a great fall back if we don't want to lynch into claims. Of the claims, I think Ritoky's the better lynch. | ||
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1. Ritoky--Of the claims, he's my preferred lynch. Plus he'll do anything as any alignment re: claiming. But I think he might be town from a few posts he's made 2. Damdred--Not playing his town game whatsoever. Maybe he's busy. Maybe he's trying new things. Maybe his wife's pregnant. Maybe his wife got shot again. IDK. But he's really off imo. 3. Rsoultina--I don't have a great read on her. HF thinks she's scum. I don't have a reason to townread her. 4. Bill Murray--A good D1 lynch if we can't find something better. He's been exceptionally useless and usually he says at least 1 interesting thing as town. | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote: It can be argued that BM would sit back and do as little as possible as mafia, but I'm fairly certain we beat that idea to death earlier on. I'd lynch him over the claimed cops at this point. BM has claimed in a game with Vivax (both might've even been mafia) and he just sat back like this. So yah. | ||
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Vigis need to shoot. the chaff like BM and MZ | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:37 marvellosity wrote: we could just lynch MZ yah, let's do it | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:38 Holyflare wrote: ok while we are afk voting mz can someone please actually fucking converse with me about rsoultin and not give shitty reads that just say "no", nothing even answered anything I asked for It's a matter of pragmatism for me. I don't think we can get the votes for rsoultin. I'm pretty sure we can get the votes for either MZ or BM. | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:04 LightningStrike wrote: Okay so can someoen give me a run down why MZ is scum? This wagon seemed to formed to fast honestly. He claimed godfather in thread. | ||
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Either MZ dies and BM gets shot or vice versa. Neither dying is super bad. | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:31 Harkon wrote: He is going on about the exact wording of the cop role pm.1-shot vs. one-shot, dumbledore vs. cop. Yet another pretty stupid thing. Even if he ends up being right. | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:33 marvellosity wrote: "we could lynch BM" said someone from the crowd, helpfully Hey look he already has 1 vote. | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:40 Half the Sky wrote: geript, you said you didn't like Damdred. I went through his filter. I know a couple of people cited him for his pushes. What is making you think he's not town? Is it his method of scumhunting? Is it his pushes on his targets (LS/Trfel/Wave, etc) or was it him dropping the LS read? You didn't like his wave read, and Damdred is saying that wos doesn't seem to care about the game. Are you lot thinking he's zeroing in on a pattern of "easy" lynches? I know we know the deal on LS (before he dropped it) and Trfel wasn't playing optimally regardless of what people think on him, and wos has been highly critical of his own town game. It's possible as a theory. But I don't understand the part in your filter about "that's not whom Damdred should be choosing" as a lynch though when he goes on wave. KSC I know you found this read weird too. I'm reading the filter and I don't know if I'm missing something. So basically usually Damdred has a Damdred thought. Basically as town, he has this thought process that I can recognize. Like last game he made 1post while I was like," yep that's exactly what Damdred would push/think." And it's not there at all this game. | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Right but my question is if there are enough people on line which there seems to be then why don't we go for someone like trfl, milo, or even vivax who is looking worse the more I read? Because 10 minutes and lurker lynch are good. | ||
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On July 08 2015 07:03 rsoultin wrote: and you can't count? -_- wanderer means probably tracker means tracker and two cops? does that make sense? Maybe. But it's pretty common to include miller-type roles for things that don't exist. Hell. We could have like 3 trackers and no cops. Maybe a mix of both cop and tracker. Maybe just cops. | ||
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On July 08 2015 07:12 rsoultin wrote: she seems okay? she was literally the only person understanding what i was trying to say, anyway lol >< about both trfel and hf. it's been awhile since i've played with her since i wasn't scum, though xP why? What do you think of her miller claim? | ||
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On July 08 2015 07:19 Vivax wrote: I'm not lynching into claimers cause I don't have the brain of pteropods, don't put into my mouth that I was 100 % sure the claim was real. I'm not putting anything in your mouth. I do find it interesting that you defending BM specifically based on the claim at least twice iirc. | ||
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He's not a bad shot at all. If you don't step up, I'd still rather you be shot on policy alone. | ||
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On July 08 2015 11:30 milo109 wrote: It had to be people who led the train on BM. And I hated most of them already. 1. They didn't lead the lynch on BM 2. Why did you hate them already? | ||
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On July 08 2015 12:06 milo109 wrote: 1. I looked through the voting thread and compared it with my notes. 2. Cause they all played scummy. I didn't start the fire. How did they play scummy? | ||
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On July 09 2015 08:16 Damdred wrote: I have no clue Well that's cute. Why did you visit ritoky last night? | ||
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For example, Ritoky could have been delivering a hit. Ritoky could have been receiving a hit. Neither of which lead to Damdred being mafia. Like there's even a bizarro world where all four are town. Sure he could be RB, but he could also be rolecop. Like the milo/MZ/Damdred world looks all nice and pretty, but it's just that. It fits and it makes the most sense to me currently, but I really couldn't care less about it. It also doesn't actually tell me which one I want to lynch. Plus I'm guessing that at least 1 more person has something interesting to add to the picture (hopefully). Since it would be fitting to have a third 1-2 shot investigative role around. I just hope it's not oats because he never uses his role. | ||
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On July 09 2015 08:34 Harkon wrote: Why would they ever rolecop a claimed role? Makes no sense. Why would town damdred EVER do this? Makes no sense. He is mafia. Ritoky claims shit all the time and you know that. It is entirely possibly that ritoky can be VT of some sort. Or Veteran. | ||
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On July 09 2015 12:15 Damdred wrote: I'm not arguing against lynching me honestly. yah but I don't know. Like it's crazy. It's a lot like how MZ approached getting lynched. It's just really odd behavior and I'm not quite sure what to think of it. | ||
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On July 09 2015 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote: So you think its reasonable to assume that on n1, the town JK goes for an offensive JK on literally the worst target to carry kp. And to save someone that obviously isnt dying because he doesnt look town at all? I dont buy damdred's reasoning at all. Considering I woke up late and needed to clean the house, I was like "hmmm who do I use my check on or do I hold it?" Like I could check Ritoky or Milo, but those would both be essentially worthless I think (since I didn't ask how tracking works with roleblocks) and there's a minor shot they die. So the options are like you, Damdred, HF maybe a few others. IDK. I just said fuck it and picked damdred and started to work on laundry and cleaning the kitchen. | ||
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On July 09 2015 18:40 marvellosity wrote: he seems a good lynch just because jking ritoky is so silly. i read everything last night when i was really baked up to p185 i think, but couldn't wrap my head around it. the problem is i don't have any sort of read on Damdred beyond this stuff so i'd just have to be sure that him visting ritoky meant he was mafia. i liked clarity's case on milo too, which i guess makes it more likely damdred is mafia. i swa the case. but too tired and too long | ||
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Are you going to give my magic reads any credence whatsoever if Damdred flips mafia? | ||
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On July 10 2015 03:08 marvellosity wrote: no but i will listen when you explain them in a clear/concise manner, like i already did this game when you stopped pricking around I think you should listen to them. There's always a logic to them and lots of times I struggle to find the reason. Like I'm not always right, eg oats, but there is always underlying logic. I just feel really gyped when you guys don't listen to my crazy reads. I ask because I've kinda formulated that I don't want to lynch HF or Wave. There's a few more people bouncing around inside my head but eh. | ||
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On July 07 2015 07:09 geript wrote: Scott31337 Clarity_nl Vivax Bill Murray ritoky Meapak_Ziphh Trfel LightningStrike ObiWanShinobi milo109 Oatsmaster Damdred rsoultin XEliteBlueHunter69X People not currently in my town circle I keep coming back to this list, because I feel really, really strongly about it. I kinda have all game. I don't know if it has all 5 mafia on it. And I really struggle to verbalize my reads sometimes. Either way, I'm going to presume that Damdred and Milo are both mafia. I think MZ is likely mafia in that case too. I think I'm ok with Clarity because he makes on making posts that I look at and skim and feel ok about while being like I really don't want to read this. I get Oat's line of thinking but I really fucking hate it; and Oats usually has an odd way of working things out late in the game for some reason. Scott31337 Vivax ritoky Trfel LightningStrike ObiWanShinobi rsoultin XEliteBlueHunter69X Ritoky is an odd situation for me. Damdred being RB makes sense, but so does framer. I kinda hope that he dies with me and solves it. Like mechanically, it makes the most sense for ritoky to be town, but there's just something about his play that keeps on bugging me when he posts. Of these though, OWS has gotten a wide range of townreads that I really struggle to understand. I don't read him well as a player at all because I find him a bit insane/nuts/whatever. But I just don't really in any way understand why people are townreading him. It bothers me because I can't quite place my finger on why. But I feel like more people would be wanting to kill him in combination with just the odd (or lack of) reasons for townreads on him. I can't really explain the rsoultin read, but I kinda think she's town. I think I read her wrong last game or something. I don't know, but I do know that I'm oddly comfortable when she posts. I even liked her odd shitfight with HF. It's nothing specific but I get the sense that she's town. It's kinda weird, because I think she's a mason with someone. Maybe like trfel. Vivax is one that really bugs me. Part of my issue with him is that I feel like he's divorced from reality. For me though, that's not something I find easy to think even he's town as. Like he has crazy ideas and throughts, but he's struggling to even follow the reality of the threat while at the same time picking at people who are both easy to pick at AND live in different worlds for me. Let me try to explain that better, I don't try and do associative reads; however, there's always a thought in the back of my head of "a team could be like XYZ or ABC" or whatever. But when I read the combined sense of Vivax's pushes, it seems to X and A. He seems to think people that don't make much (if any sense) together are scum together. He also has an odd way of completely ignoring talking about active subjects to propose wanting to talk about like Me and Damdred or Me and Trfel. Or Wave. He's also a player that despite being exceptionally out of touch in many ways with what's going on, somebody really seems to care about. Plus there's an odd combination of bitching about things while equally remaining behind the scenes. I could probably go on on him for a while. The rest of them I'm really meh about. EBH too. He's odd. | ||
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NEVER FUCKING LYNCH WAVEOFSHADOW!!!!!! Seriously. IDK what it is and I can't explain it at all quite yet. But I will hate you forever if you lynch him. And I didn't feel super safe about him last game at all. Maybe never lynch Holyflare. At best, I'd only consider him in Mylo (given milo/damdred/MZ). And even then I'm not sure I would. I'd have to think about a lot of things. But I had a strong townread on him early and I'm really struggling with a reason to exchange that in any way right now. | ||
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On July 10 2015 04:11 Clarity_nl wrote: That's like really surprising to me. WoS doesn't even seem interested in the game at all, how on earth could you feel so strongly one way or the other about his lynch? :s I hope you find a way to explain before the end of n2. I just got out of a game with scumWave and I've played half a billion games with him. It's a lot of little things. Our interactions. How he jokes with me. And his first post. I put a lot of stock in early posts especially for townreads. Plus, I think he would've said a little more. Like Wave learned to play mafia with me when there was more of a 'thread sentiment' focus imo. And he has a really unique and interesting way of looking at how to approach why and when to post as mafia. And I'm pretty sure he'd post a bit more. Maybe not much but a bit more. I'd also like to point out that what MZ is saying is wrong. I don't think Wave or Vivax has posted since the day began. I'm quite sure Vivax hasn't since I just filtered him. That gives me a little pause but meh. Either way, it's really, really stupid to make an apathetic argument for either of them imo. | ||
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On July 10 2015 04:18 marvellosity wrote: i love your digs, they're hilarious i'm one of the least tunnelly players on TL Mafia, and i am literally always entertaining the idea i'm wrong. Ask anyone. You need to revisit your "not listening to geript's crazy reads" thing. They always turn out to create more information in the least and I'm right quite often. In the least, I find a way of working it out usually in a way that reveals my alignment. | ||
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I'm not Blazinghand Marv. Who got gunned. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:35 Damdred wrote: Milo is the most obvious scum,in the thread back me up here geript No. I'd shoot MZ first. Who got gunned? There's literally no reason to... Wait nm. They shoot at night. Please disregard. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:38 LightningStrike wrote: Geript are you Mason with Damdred? He claimed you are Mason with him is that true or false? I already answered this. My vote in the least should continue to answer this. Like I'd love to have a sick townread on Damdred and claim to be mason but I can't. I'm not BH. I don't make cases on my mason partners. Like it's only slightly obvious. I just don't know who I want to kill first. Also, two things. You need to never fucking claim ever again. I will start lynching you if you claim any role in the game if there's not halfway decent purpose. Second. you 100% have to claim who you gun at the end of every night from now on until you're out of guns. It sucks but it's more important for town to know who has your gun than to prevent scum from knowing who has your gun. I might change my mind on that, but eh. For now that's how I feel. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:50 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm a little pissed that geript didn't just go "I'm not mason with damdred, kill it with fire". Was that really so hard? I was also operating under a few assumptions. 1. That people can fire during the day (which is wrong which makes claiming the gun super extra important). 2. That people wouldn't think that I'm that fucking retarded. Like I can be a ballsy player. And I've claimed roles and checks that I didn't ever get. But the bottom line is that I'm town and the thing that I hate most as town is when there's fucking chaos around crazy shit. So me claiming a tracker to track someone to veteran hit actually fulfills three things (providing information, clear time frame for how long to extend the play, and lets me try and read and flow with the game). Like me being a mason and doing this doesn't hit any of those. | ||
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On July 10 2015 07:01 Damdred wrote: It's sad that Geript lost his reasoning. It's ok when I flip just look into Kel. Rs, milo I might look into them before you flip. I will if you flip town. But damn dude, I'd pull that play if you gave me the chance to get that read on you. If you're mafia, then it's whatever. | ||
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On July 11 2015 05:20 marvellosity wrote: i'm hoping a vigi shoots MZ in the face. I want to reiterate this. I'm going to post a bit more tonight. But I don't see any reason not to shoot MZ or to shoot other people over MZ. Yes, shooting MZ is boring and expected and you'll get zero credit for it. However, it's important to note that he will 100% be lynched at some point. So by shooting him, it lets us gain more information than shooting anyone else. | ||
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On July 06 2015 09:17 geript wrote: I'm not sure if you're right on Damdred. I'm sure you're wrong on wave. I agree about Ruxx. The big thing though is that you're wrong on Wave. He's town. On July 07 2015 04:14 geript wrote: Nah, it's just that have no intentions of helping you guys and will ignore everyone and anyone who chooses to ignore my reads. It's a 2 way street marv. You know I tend to have very good reads early on and very strong well developed meta reads later on. Especially my townread early on are usually quite on point; exceptionally fantastically on point. It's one of the reasons why I've made a note that I still don't have a townread on Damdred. That should at least alert you to there being a problem there. On July 07 2015 14:42 geript wrote: Not Voting (13): Scott31337, WaveofShadow, ritoky, Meapak_Ziphh, Trfel, LightningStrike, KelsierSC, milo109, Oatsmaster, Damdred, XEliteBlueHunter69X, Harkon, Clarity_nl FWIW, there's probably a good amount of mafia in this group right here. Interesting how similar it is to my "not town reads" list. On July 08 2015 00:15 geript wrote: Oh. And I still don't have a townread on Damdred. So I could definitely lynch him. On July 08 2015 00:53 geript wrote: The more a Damdred posts, the more I yearn to lynch him. I'm really surprised by his desire to lynch Wave. Not because I have a townread on wave but more because he's definitely not the target Damdred would usually choose here. I don't recognize any of Damdred's thought process at all this game and as town I've been able to spot his quite early. Like I know you guys don't buy my magical reads. But they work. And Damdred isn't town. On July 08 2015 03:01 geript wrote: ~4 hours. I'll consolidate on Ritoky, but meh. I'd really rather lynch Oats or Vivax or Damdred or idk lots of other people. But meh. I'm pretty blah about who to lynch right now and I feel like being lazy for a bit. On July 08 2015 05:11 geript wrote: Clarity_nl Vivax Bill Murray Meapak_Ziphh Trfel ObiWanShinobi Damdred rsoultin XEliteBlueHunter69X I still think I'd rather lynch Damdred or Bill Murray. Damdred doesn't seem to be thinking anything like how he thinks as town and BM is a great fall back if we don't want to lynch into claims. Of the claims, I think Ritoky's the better lynch. On July 08 2015 05:18 geript wrote: Basically here's the wagon options. If you're not on one of these, then you're not helping/mafia: 1. Ritoky--Of the claims, he's my preferred lynch. Plus he'll do anything as any alignment re: claiming. But I think he might be town from a few posts he's made 2. Damdred--Not playing his town game whatsoever. Maybe he's busy. Maybe he's trying new things. Maybe his wife's pregnant. Maybe his wife got shot again. IDK. But he's really off imo. 3. Rsoultina--I don't have a great read on her. HF thinks she's scum. I don't have a reason to townread her. 4. Bill Murray--A good D1 lynch if we can't find something better. He's been exceptionally useless and usually he says at least 1 interesting thing as town. On July 08 2015 06:44 geript wrote: So basically usually Damdred has a Damdred thought. Basically as town, he has this thought process that I can recognize. Like last game he made 1post while I was like," yep that's exactly what Damdred would push/think." And it's not there at all this game. | ||
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Sidenote: I'm having some minor second thoughts about Marv. I'd lynch him before I would HF, but I wouldn't lynch either until lylo I think. I'll make a big post tomorrow. Tldr Shoot MZ Then lynch into Vivax/milo | ||
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On July 07 2015 07:56 geript wrote: I'd be really surprised if I were wrong about Breshke. He was interacting with the thread instead of around the thread. On January 26 2015 17:02 geript wrote: I've spent the last few hours looking at Breshke's meta. I really don't see him being mafia. Like there are some similarities to both his town and mafia play, but it looks far more like his town game. How he interacts with the thread and reads seems to be the key to understanding his meta imo. Like his mafia games are practically commentary/summary of the thread and I'm not really seeing that here. I don't think I want to lynch Breshke. | ||
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On July 11 2015 11:36 marvellosity wrote: btw, geript when you read this, i'm gonna get you to explain your Damdred stuff to me post-game. Even if you think you can't :p I'll explain it now in spoilers to save space. + Show Spoiler + MAGIC! + Show Spoiler + Ok. It's actually pretty simple. As town, he has a very specific thought process that he uses. I don't know what it is and I can't explain it to you. But what I can say is that if you go through his early game especially, I think you'll pretty clearly be able to understand what it is that Damdred picks up on and why. So when he makes pushes that are outside of that recognizable thought process it, and especially when he continues to not use that thought process for who he's pushing, then he's not town. I think it's very much like in Duke Nukem II Hydra edition where Palmer picked out Sandroba/Syllogism for scum reading someone when they had done something that he knew they would normally townread them. It's kinda odd, but it's pretty important. And I'm honestly not sure I can explain it any better than that. But if you look at my last game with Damdred, in his first post he picked up on one specific thing that I could recognize and I called him obvious town. I don't even have to agree with him on the push. But when he pushes town!Damdred stuff, then there's a specific reason for it. Like there's a, maybe not theme, but there's a checklist or something that he uses constantly or something. And when he pushes on people who haven't hit that checklist, there's alarm bells. | ||
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On July 07 2015 03:50 Damdred wrote: Hey guys I got distracted while I was finishing things up at the house cleaning days are a bitch. ok I'll try to answer everything of I miss some things just quote them and I'll get them, or if you have a person you specifically want me to talk about I'll try to get to it. Firstly a list of people I am town reading currently: Ruxxor: last game we played together one of the things or a few things I caught him on was weird interactions with people suspecting them and then forgetting what he's typed. He seems to be a little more consistent with what he's said even if he is putting things a bit odd. Also tone wise he is way different, he seems a bit more relaxed and happier here while my experience with him as scum has been super angry sounding. Content wise he also makes a bit of sense with what he's posting so far. Marv: Mostly its a tone thing plus he seems really involved in everything going on. I like and understand how he's looking at the game. Kel: Has really put the work into the game so far that I would expect from a town kel, he has dug through posts in here and has kept brining things back up that he doesn't agree with and he keeps re evaluating as the game goes. Ie when I told him to checkour last game he did and changed a bit of what he said. Hf: I'm scared of him bit he seems a lot more involved early and seems to be pushing things from a good angle to me. He doesn't sound really stinky to me atm so I'm ok with him being town here. Hts is someone who I like at this point but don't have a firm handle on right now. For example I can understand the thought processes she uses in giving the reads and when others don't understand you can see a struggle to get people to understand it. Sticks to the guns but seems to really want to work with people to get them to understand the perspective. I think has a good shot at town palmar is a Toney thing and I like him but I always do. If anyone has any more specific questions about people not on my list ask. @kel currently in struggling with my rsoultin read. I'm of two minds whenever her and hf fight one of them is generally scum as they usually get along pretty well. But on the other hand she's so obstinante and doesn't care what people think shed just going to say whatever the hell she wants, that's a town trait to me of hers to. Overall I'm still thinking town but a couple of misgivings about her. On July 11 2015 12:51 Holyflare wrote: I mentioned on day 1 how weird this town read post was from damdred since he didn't sound sure about those reads at all yet still called them all town and I think i like arbitrarily deciding everyone on this list that's explained is town simply because it looks like he struggled to point out everything obvious that didn't make people towny but did in his mafia world. #sickreads Funny, I'm pretty sure that he's slipped 1 mafia in there. I think it's more likely to be Kels or HtS but idk. | ||
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On July 11 2015 13:09 Holyflare wrote: This is a bit wifom but since damdred was only tracked to ritoky, barring any jk or anything that has a save on ritoky it probably means someone not talked about as being scummy carried the kp. Not sure what that means yet but i just saw it in the op. I'll talk about this for a second. I don't think town has any roleblocker roles. We've seen a banisher which is kinda like a super JK. Roles that are essentially confirmed are: 1-shot Tracker 1-shot cop 2-shot gunsmith 2-shot banisher Because of the roles, I think there's a variety of things that can exist yet in the game. Maybe a 1-shot vigi. Given Harkon's claim, it's very possible that the Vet claim is possible. A vet would make some sense in the setup. But it's not confirmed by any means. Especially when Palmer was shot and Marv was banished, it's quite possible that mafia didn't medic dodge and equally possible that they did medic dodge by shooting Palmer/smurf. Considering that we have both a cop and a tracker that are limited in use, I kinda expect a second cop to be in the game. Or at least a pair of masons. Or something. I'm also kinda having reservations about milo. He's posted a shit ton. He's been happy to marry himself to Damdred. Damdred has been happy to marry himself to milo. When I see that type of play, it almost always comes from mafia-siding town. There are a number of reasonable reasons for milo to be mafia. But given the fact that no one else has claimed a check or outed as mason or whatever, it kinda makes me think that there might actually be two mafia roleblockers, a goon, a GF and a rolecop. There could be a 2-shot or multishot tracker out there and instead of a goon or RB they have a framer. But idk. He had a 10 page filter in a 4-5 day 100 page game (as mafia). It's a while ago and I don't have enough by any stretch to do a real meta case on milo. But I think that it's at least possible that he's town. He's possibly even fake claimed to not get lynched. He doesn't strike me (from his previous filter) as a person who's afraid to do anything not get lynched. And there are things that I find to be different between the two filters. But it's tough. You guys are going to have to work this one out on your own. I kinda think he might be town, but I still want to lynch him or in the least force him to out a check so when we lynch him if he's town, then we get some info from it. | ||
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On July 11 2015 13:38 milo109 wrote: geript you should totally track me bby. Even if I could, it would literally be a waste. | ||
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On July 11 2015 13:40 milo109 wrote: You could confirm me, which is probably be better than tracking a random. 1. I don't have any more tracks. 2. It would literally be a complete waste. I'm guessing being RB prevents you visiting anyone. And quite frankly, my reads are really, really good. If you're town, I'd rather just track mafia. Because I would. Because yes, I'm that good. | ||
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On July 11 2015 13:48 Oatsmaster wrote: Meh, there really isnt any value for mafia to claim vet there. They have no idea if there is a vet in the game, and vet is literally the easiest thing is the world to cc. There is no risk for the vet that he gets shot and loses his role. OK this is pretty much bullshit. Let me be clear. I'm kinda meh about Harkon. The claim is completely irrelevant. There's a great set of reasons to claim vet there. Yes, it helps sink Damdred, but that ship is essentially already done and gone. So you're sacrificing a piece that you've already lost in order to gain town cred. Nothing against Harkon, but if he doesn't die then he becomes pretty sketchy and would 100% lynch him at lylo. Also, vet is actually a really hard role to cc. Yes, 2 vets would be odd. But it's not in any way close to confirmed. It's unlikely Harkon is mafia. But if he is, then the vet claim is a great play because it's non-confirmable and actually hard to counter. Hell even a PGO or something would have a hard time claiming against him. | ||
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Well do it and use control+f to search for Damdred. I just find it really exceptionally odd how often she talks about not liking his LS read (or reads in general) while not seeming to have an opinion on Damdred whatsoever. | ||
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On July 12 2015 00:33 marvellosity wrote: eh i dunno. that post she explained to me why she didn't like damdred... My problem is that I don't actually see a read on him until after the track. Just seems like it's something she wanted to talk about but not really feel. IDK. Maybe being confirmed is fucking with my head at this point. | ||
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Whatever you do don't lynch Wave. Probably dont' lynch Breshke. Don't treat Harkon as confirmed town. On July 07 2015 07:09 geript wrote: Scott31337 Clarity_nl Vivax Bill Murray ritoky Meapak_Ziphh Trfel LightningStrike ObiWanShinobi milo109 Oatsmaster Damdred rsoultin XEliteBlueHunter69X People not currently in my town circle This post likely contains most of the mafia. I don't get the townreads that OWS is getting. I really don't. EBH is also someone I think should be looked into more. For being a smurf, I kinda think he's Vayne authority. That makes me think he's far more likely to be mafia than not. People that I'd be taking a serious look into lynching: EBH Rsoultin Milo Boxerfred Vivax | ||
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On July 23 2015 07:23 LightningStrike wrote: Lol I Was 2/3 right on the scum team after the mod kill honestly I guess Geript can't tone read WoS anymore lol. The tone read was wrong but it was for good reasons. It wasn't until after I died that Wave became obvious. Imo, town fell apart for a few different reasons: 1. Unnecessary claims--Seriously, stop fucking claiming. Just stop. 2. Not thinking through lynches or their results. After the MZ vig shot, it should've been a wake up call that the Damdred/MZ/Milo world didn't exist. Considering I specifically made the point that milo could be town because of how milo/Damdred aligned. I specifically pointed out that he's constantly posting albeit poorly imo made him more likely to be town. No on analyzed the no lynch which btw would've given you 2/3 of the scum left. So the problem is people not thinking. 3. The setup. 2 role blockers vs 6 roles (5 of which are limited) is bad imo. I love the idea of this setup but town was pretty weak comparatively. Plus DML is really bad for big games. | ||
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