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If I am understanding correctly this will not start before next week. | ||
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Also hi all | ||
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It always feels good sheeping damdred. Choo Choo ##Vote Lightningstrike | ||
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On July 06 2015 08:36 KelsierSC wrote: the sheep goes choo choo YOU LIED TO ME MCDONALD!!!!! Well they do in Australia | ||
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On July 06 2015 08:37 geript wrote: Btw. I'm pretty sure that Breshke is town. Like 99%. I don't like this. I know you extensively looked into a meta read on me but it feels like that was a while back and that you wouldn't be this sure without looking at some of my more recent games to see if anything has changed. It could also be because the last time you hard townread me you were scum and i was so easily pocketed haha | ||
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On July 06 2015 08:24 rsoultin wrote: breshke! <3! gonna be my devil's advocate again this game? Totally missed this. No i will try not defend people when i don't have a read on them. I'm learning | ||
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On July 06 2015 14:33 rsoultin wrote: as long as that doesn't translate into barely posting, should be fine lol >< disagree with anything in my reads post above? you've barely said a word I agree on KSC. Geript idk he called me 99% town early which could be understandable because he looked into my meta fairly extensively in the newbie game we played together and seemed to have a fairly good grasp of it. But ive played a few more games since then and i don't think my play has really changed that much but he doesn't even seem to consider that it could have like as in im fairly sure he hasn't looked at my recent games so im not sure why he would be comfortable calling me town. Can't really disagree on the marv thing he like playing town more than scum and if he does nothing for extened periods of time he is probs scum yeah. I dont care about harkon currently. Is there anything else to your LS read other than a few towntells. I almost went back to look at his scum games because i swear he has said the what are you smoking stuff as scum before but then ceebs. I do agree with damdred that this isn't LS's town meta. Him just dropping in and not attempting to do much i think is scum LS. I think i made a similar read on him last game and he was town but aside from that damdreds point feels fairly damming. | ||
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On July 06 2015 15:02 Holyflare wrote: This feels so unnatural to read that it kind of looks like you were forced to write it. or i was strugeling to word it in a way it made sense | ||
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On July 06 2015 15:02 rsoultin wrote: no there really isn't anything else to my ls read lol >< i said it was trash tier for a reason, but i don't want to keep relying on other people to read him, if that makes any sense? i dunnae. i think it's pretty damn early to start scumreading ls for being "lazy," personally. or, rather, it certainly was at the time. if there was more to the scumread, maybe heh if there's anything that bothers me about geript it's his 100% he's throwing around willy nilly, but honestly he's arrogant enough for that, and i've liked the thought process behind most of his posting so far truffle wuffle, gonna play this game? xP ehh relying on others isn't always a abd thing but yes i understand you want to improve your read on him. Hav you said why you think ksc is town? | ||
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On July 06 2015 15:37 rsoultin wrote: eh last comment of the night i hadn't noticed breshke's vote until just now...dude, if you used that same read incorrectly last time you played with ls, why the hell would you feel strongly enough about a read that was proven false this game to vote on it this early? dont act like voting is a big deal you know it isnt Also i voted because i liked damdys point which is separate to mine. | ||
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Hf do you still dislike that sentence or do you buy my explanation. RS basically answer the same thing pls. | ||
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On July 06 2015 15:46 rsoultin wrote: welcome back xP keep pretending this is what my problem is Im not. I don't feel strongly about the meta read i have on LS. You said how can i feel strong enough about it to vote LS. When votes especially early dont mean fuck all. I also said that i didn't vote because of my meta read but because of damdreds read. So what is your problem exactly? | ||
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On July 06 2015 15:48 Holyflare wrote: Breshke vote trfel with me. but i want damdred to feel warm and fuzzy inside when he sees im still with him. I have also never experianced post scum depression because ive rolled scum like twice but i could see how that is what could be happening here. | ||
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On July 06 2015 15:51 Holyflare wrote: Ok right breshke just ignore rsoultin. The question isn't important anymore. Vote trfel with me and i won't lynch you  Feel free to lynch me but then you won't be voting trefel anymore. Seems redundant | ||
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On July 06 2015 15:54 Holyflare wrote: Hey, your vote means nothing anyway right? What harm is it following me for a bit? It doesn't mean nothing. It just doesn't mean a lot. You lobbying so hard for this makes me not want to do it more. | ||
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On July 06 2015 15:51 rsoultin wrote: eh i still am not that comfortable with damdred's read -_- that's my main issue On July 06 2015 15:37 rsoultin wrote: eh last comment of the night i hadn't noticed breshke's vote until just now...dude, if you used that same read incorrectly last time you played with ls, why the hell would you feel strongly enough about a read that was proven false this game to vote on it this early? Nowhere in your intial post did you say you had a problem with damdreds read. You said you had a problem with my use of my own meta read even when it has been incorrect in the past. I don't like this rsoul | ||
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On July 06 2015 16:01 Holyflare wrote: Yeh ok well enjoy being irrelevant to me then! Irrelevant means not scum if you are town. So fine by me | ||
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On July 06 2015 16:05 rsoultin wrote: -snorts- i don't really care to pursue this - i don't really like damdy's read - your meta on ls Has already proven to be shit - somehow missed your vote and only noticed it in the voting thread pretty damn simple there, bresh ] | ||
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I jsut don't see how you said "keep pretending this is what my problem is" when from the initial post you didn't say anything about damdred and i later explained that i voted not for my own reason but for damdreds. Trefel what are you doing? | ||
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On July 06 2015 16:15 Trfel wrote: Not much, why? I ment like in the thread i thought you had an angle. But then you started asking questions so meh. | ||
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On July 06 2015 16:19 rsoultin wrote: i missed the vote like you say early votes mean jack shit, and it was just to show how much you agreed with damdy's point. that's a pretty damn strong agreement, and wasn't the impression i got when i first read your posting. i don't get why you think damdy calling ls lazy a few pages into the game is good, certainly not that good so basically it comes down to strength of agreement Okay i follow. You were right in your last post when you said you dont care to pursue this i jsut became really bored with it aswell. Watcha think of trefel and why isn't HF trying to get you to vote him | ||
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I liked LS response to my question about scotts meta because i see how he came to that conclusion. In your lsit post ls you said you liked scotts questioning so it made you lean slightly town on him. Can you show me which questions specifically you liked? I would lynch trefel today if we need to consolidate but i cbf contributing anything about him because there is enough already with what is in the thread. | ||
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On July 07 2015 10:16 LightningStrike wrote: So clearly it shows Scott was thinking about the game but still confused if it was sarcastic or not to get a feel of rux because rux did play a very post heavy scum game. except it looks like to me that he doesn't really follow up on that question. He goes on to interact with trefel a bit but still just says "crap start can be a big poster" or something similar. So what you thought was him thinking about the game has actually drawn him no conclusions. | ||
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On July 07 2015 10:17 geript wrote: Basically it boils down to this: 1. He's playing differently than he does as town. 2. He's responding differently than he does as town. Yes. He randomly calls people scum for bad reasons; but that's not alignment indicative. Rather look at the scope of things. There's no overarching thought process behind it. Not even a bad one. As town, there is a series of thoughts behind who he calls scum and why. It will bend it's way back and forth between what he says. Rather, there's no thought behind anything whatsoever. It's just mafia this person. That's BS. There's no interconnectivity between his reads which you see when he's town. Second, he doesn't snap back at people like he did at me as town. Like he'll bring it with more of a push or a thought as to why I'm scum and push me OR he'll make a push to try and figure out what he actually thinks about things. In short, he's posting how he usually does. But it lacks the real impulsivity his town play has and lacks the theme his townplay has. Can you explain a litle more what you mean be an interconectivty in his reads? The second point is a bit hard for me to agree with because id have to take your word or read a bunch of his past games which probably won't happen. But from his filter it does seem like he does drop his push on rsoul to talk about basically nothing. | ||
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On July 07 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote: eh, chem i need to check that against something, geript i'll do it before bed tonight rsoul can you do this? I'm starting to think you are mafia because i don't agree with anything you are saying and it doesn't help that you and HF are only talking about the trfel stuff. | ||
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On July 07 2015 12:15 rsoultin wrote: to be quite frank with you i'm not in a place to take this post well and i'm trying not to bite your head off, so no -_- i said i'd do it before bed. i will. if you want to actually talk then do so hmm okay I am fairly sure you are town | ||
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On July 07 2015 12:20 rsoultin wrote: ...i really don't get how this read changed based on that one post, bresh Idk I just suddenly get how frustrated you are. Feels a lot like last game with the Gb stuff. Like I said my main reason i wasn't really liking you for town was because normally i can call tou town because you are saying a bunch of stuff that im thinking. That obviously isn't happening this game though but i do not think that this makes you scum because you have mainly been talking about trefel who you seem to have a read on that i along with the rest of the thread seemingly can't follow. So the question then is no matter trfels alignment do you as mafia defend trfel like this and let yourself get legitimately frustrated and up in arms after going through it last game. I think it is fairly unlikely and that you would take a path of less resistance. I even gave you an out in that post just before that you probably know as scum you could easily get me to town read you by just talking through some oats stuff with me. So i think the way you reacted makes me think you are town. | ||
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Im not sure if this is sarcasm or not. On July 07 2015 12:36 rsoultin wrote: heh >< this makes sense the thing about it bresh is i never know how to really qualify my tonereads beyond things like look, humor, or hey, emotion, or that dude isn't engaging, and i don't like backing off them because the majority of the time they're right. on certain players in particular. i know i'm not infallible but i just let myself be talked out of my toneread on gb last game and that turned out so well >< i'll reconsider truffle but i can't promise anything >< we were at one point very active in skype and i feel like i've gotten a very solid read on his personality, which doesn't really shine through when he rolls scum. it's possible he could have gotten better so i'll look I'm not asking you to reconsider your read. Like obviously you should be doing that anyway eventually but if you feel strongly about it push it just dont only talk about that (which i believe is what you are trying to do) | ||
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His reads list was lackluster and jsut seems to be some surface level stuff without actually trying to work anything out. The only interesting thing is this On July 07 2015 05:26 scott31337 wrote: I'm thinking I like a milo lynch - Then Ruxxar has this post - Oats and Milo call out Ruxxar's post, but Oats does not call out Milo's post for townreading him for his "name mafia" posts. Very interesting. I'm townreading Ruxxar but not Oats and Milo. We still have two people who haven't even posted (Zipph and Elite69) for all we know they could be two out of the five mafia right there. The rest of his filter basically has "Damd mafia" "Keis mafia" "Oats town". But it feels like he is reaching and i don't really get why the AFK's get a mention halfway through. | ||
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On July 07 2015 12:45 Holyflare wrote: I'm not really sure how it's reaching? He says that Oats reacted differently to two different people that did the same thing, which is a good observation, is it not? I dunno about the afk thing, maybe he was making up the mafia list in one post and it looks a bit weird. That's my guess at least. Do need to read him though. Reaching was probably the wrong word yes. I still don't think the observation is that good because oats goes on to fling "scumslip" accusations at milo about calling ruxx out so the triangle that scott is trying to paint isnt so cut and dry as he made it seem | ||
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On July 07 2015 12:49 rsoultin wrote: @bresh cause i really kind of have to place my vote tonight class tomorrow lasts until less than an hour before eod -_- and ye majority lynch so it's kinda important? Ahh well that probably complicates things | ||
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On July 07 2015 20:18 Palmar wrote: Here it is. Initially I read this post because Breshke was throwing around weird "general" type accusations like: "His reads list was lackluster" "some surface level stuff without actually trying to work anything out" "But it feels like he is reaching" Like this is why I'm only half liking breshke even though I sorta like his case. This is the type of accusations people make when they don't know what they should be saying. But it's both conceivable that Breshke made this shit up as mafia, and that he simply doesn't quite know how to present his findings as town. As almost an afterthought I read scott's post that Breshke highlighted and it's really a terrible post. The biggest thing I'm worried about is that it seems rather unlikely that scott would try to call out the entire mafia team like that if he is mafia. So... as I write this I'm officially waffling. idk what to think about either of them. Which post are you reffering to which scot called out the entire mafia team? On July 07 2015 05:26 scott31337 wrote: I'm thinking I like a milo lynch - Then Ruxxar has this post - Oats and Milo call out Ruxxar's post, but Oats does not call out Milo's post for townreading him for his "name mafia" posts. Very interesting. I'm townreading Ruxxar but not Oats and Milo. We still have two people who haven't even posted (Zipph and Elite69) for all we know they could be two out of the five mafia right there. The rest of his filter basically has "Damd mafia" "Keis mafia" "Oats town". If it is that one which im assuming it is I don't see why he would ping out the lurkers for the team when like his second to last posts he had i think 2 or 3 other scumleans that he fails to mention in this post. | ||
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Night all | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:11 scott31337 wrote: Trfel slightly martyred and the wagon came off of him to milo Milo claimed two shot cop and was taken off of him Har hard defended Rsoul so we can't lynch her MZ actually posted "let me read" and voted Clarity and the wagon jumped on him Are you still scumreading me Breshke? I'm not sure. I kinda of tried to read your filter but it sucks on phone. before I answer Scott do you normally take notes for games? | ||
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ME hf geript Marv LS rsoul harkon MZ That's 8 am I missing anyone? | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:47 ruXxar wrote: You guys switching off MZ are not thinking clearly. What if mafia switches off then don't switch back? GG no-lynch. Then we lynch the people that don't switch back? | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Right but my question is if there are enough people on line which there seems to be then why don't we go for someone like trfl, milo, or even vivax who is looking worse the more I read? Because there will be one person who won't want to lynch someone who has actually done something and then we won't get a lynch. | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Sigh. I know my own innocence. I think it's terrible to vote for someone just for the sake of killing them and I'd love to go after one of the actual people I'm suspicious of but if we HAVE to have a lynch today then BM it is. Then try actually being around before EOD your resistance is not doing anything | ||
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On July 08 2015 07:18 scott31337 wrote: I didn't see that post? Yes I have but not as concise since this was my first 25 man, the others were easier to keep track of and basically were lists so I didn't forget people. NSM VIII+ Show Spoiler + Plotspot M Holyflare Scott31337 M Bourneq Damdred VT Slight Townlean ObiWanShinobi Townlean LightningStrike VT TheBloodyDwarf Dead Trfel Dead Townlean Onegu VT VT Recinded Blue ? Bill Murray Dead The Shining cakepie Dead LeiNadk M Bussed me case NSM IX+ Show Spoiler + scott31337 Me/M Tictock Rels plotspot boxerfred M disformation Barakos Sulfurus 27ninjabunnies M Bill Murray Breshke sicklucker batsnacks Guardians+ Show Spoiler + 1. NydusHerMain slight town 2. Onegu slight town 3. VisceraEyes above slight town 4. sicklucker null 5. GGTemplar null 6. Chocolate slight scummy 7. Kickstart null to slight town 8. ritoky townie 9. Fidei86 slight scummy/below templar 10. milo109 null 11. Tictock slight town 12. scott31337 Me 13. Damdred slight town NSM IX+ Show Spoiler + 1) -Celestial- unsure what to think 2) Tictock Mentioned noob twice ? 3) y0su slight 4) disformation Made post about posting lots of smilies, forgot about it - then started remembering readding them 5) scott31337 Me 6) ritoky Null/little more 7) The Shining Townlean 8) Half the Sky Null 9) Superbia Townlean 10) FecalFeast Townlean 11) prplhz Meh 12) sicklucker Crap post 13) Stutters695 Crap post LXXI (this one)+ Show Spoiler + 1) Marvellosity townie been picking it up the last 36 hours with good marv thoughts 2) Scott31337 town 3) WaveofShadow Voted HF weirdly (actually never did in thread) / null 4) Clarity_nl mixed it with HF / slight town - defends Damdreds case ok - wants to lynch Vivax/BM/Milo 5) ruXxar slight town/proviing insight of game - suspicious of rsoul, quite diff. then last game scums vivax/oats 6) Vivax Meh/null of scum defends trfel calls Rsoul town 7) Bill Murray Lynched Day 1 Wanderer 8) ritoky reads boxer as town as well, claimed one shot cop, scum OWS 9) geript slight town but could be doing this as either alignment - keep an eye out 10) boxerfred scumlean posts fakeclaim cop to distract from rsoul. Scummers reading him town/votes HF with no solid reasoning. Seems to jump on any bandwagon lynch (oats, now clarity) Now HTS back to Oats 11) Meapak_Ziphh One catch up in the thread post - inactive/scummy 12) Trfel Crap start - really different from his last game - added apologies - don’t think he's mafia though. Unsure what to do with him. 13) LightningStrike slight town Damdred brings up good conclusions on his meta / looking up cases had an okay defense 14) Palmar Called boxerfred town which I don’t like/believe in but providing analysis - slight town 15) ObiWanShinobi Bad vote on HF / scumlean - wants to lynch me for no reasons 16) KelsierSC Trying to think the game / townlean 17) milo109 scumlean ,towns HF / Oats / Wave - voted LS for bad filter reading - claimed two shot cop 18) Breshke A post or two I like asking LS about me - could be anything - weak mafia read on me - nullish town 19) Oatsmaster Says Clarity /WoS mafia now wants to vote HTS although - scumlean 20) Damdred Slight town going after LS believes in his case on Clarity but I think Clarity's town 21) rsoultin not a great defense when pressured, paranoid of her - scumlean 22) Half The Sky miller claim / decent listpost - flipped read on HF after being questioned which was weird - slight townlean 23) Harkon Smurf - JAT? Suspicious of ritoky's claim, but. Slight town - hard defends Rsoul 24) Holyflare Mindmelt opening - Doesn't like certain Rsoul's play - town lean (day 3/4 alive watch out) 25) XEliteBlueHunter69X Null- Vivax/Geript possible scum - Palmar town Where are the ones from your scum games? | ||
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Nah i don't think what you saw is what i saw because what i saw is dumb. SO what gives me pause about scott is from the following two posts. + Show Spoiler + On July 07 2015 03:40 scott31337 wrote: This looks really familiar - throw out some suspicions, and then work on your agenda. I don't like this post at all. Did you read how he came to that conclusion? It made a lot of sense to me - mindmeldy... I like HF for more then the VT claim - also his interaction with rsoul. Good case - could sheep... This was posted while marv/ksc/hard were on rsoul, and I'm pretty confident it was to throw off discussion. I know it was a joke but was it to get distracted off of rsoul? It sure feels that way... I'm only at page 58 - here's my spreedsheet of love. 1) Marvellosity townie after the morning 2) Scott31337 town 3) WaveofShadow Voted HF weirdly 4) Clarity_nl mixed it with HF / slight town 5) ruXxar slight town 6) Vivax Meh/null of scum defends trfel 7) Bill Murray wanderer claim 8) ritoky slight town 9) geript slight town 10) boxerfred null meh posts fakeclaim cop to distract from rsoul. 11) Meapak_Ziphh 12) Trfel Crap start but can be a big poster too 13) LightningStrike Meh/Damdred brings up good conclusions on his meta / looking up cases 14) Palmar Called boxerfred town which I don’t like/believe in 15) ObiWanShinobi Bad vote on HF / scumlean 16) KelsierSC Trying to think the game / townlean 17) milo109 scumlean ,towns HF / Oats / Wave 18) Breshke Ehh 19) Oatsmaster Says Clarity /WoS mafia 20) Damdred Slight town going after LS 21) rsoultin not a great defense when pressured, scumlean 22) Half The Sky miller claim / decent listpost 23) Harkon Smurf - maybe JAT? Ehhh 24) Holyflare Mindmelt opening - town 25) XEliteBlueHunter69X I'll be back in a couple hours after I eat and finish the thread. On July 08 2015 03:54 scott31337 wrote: So about Milo - He replies with And his reasons are Some quotes which I really do not see LS as alignment indictive - which is one of the reasons I think milo is scummy. The most townie thing OWS has done all game. My updated spreadsheet - 1) Marvellosity townie been picking it up the last 36 hours with good marv thoughts 2) Scott31337 town 3) WaveofShadow Voted HF weirdly (actually never did in thread) / null 4) Clarity_nl mixed it with HF / slight town - defends Damdreds case ok - wants to lynch Vivax/BM/Milo 5) ruXxar slight town/proviing insight of game - suspicious of rsoul, quite diff. then last game scums vivax/oats 6) Vivax Meh/null of scum defends trfel calls Rsoul town 7) Bill Murray wanderer claim/hasn't done shit otherwise, no CC 8) ritoky reads boxer as town as well, claimed one shot cop, scum OBS 9) geript slight town but could be doing this as either alignment - keep an eye out 10) boxerfred scumlean posts fakeclaim cop to distract from rsoul. Scummers reading him town/votes HF with no solid reasoning. Seems to jump on any bandwagon lynch (oats, now clarity) Now HTS back to Oats 11) Meapak_Ziphh No posts still as of yet. 12) Trfel Crap start - really different from his last game - added apologies - don’t think he's mafia though. Unsure what to do with him. 13) LightningStrike slight town Damdred brings up good conclusions on his meta / looking up cases had an okay defense 14) Palmar Called boxerfred town which I don’t like/believe in but providing analysis - slight town 15) ObiWanShinobi Bad vote on HF / scumlean - wants to lynch me for no reasons 16) KelsierSC Trying to think the game / townlean 17) milo109 scumlean ,towns HF / Oats / Wave - voted LS for bad filter reading 18) Breshke A post or two I like asking LS about me - could be anything - weak mafia read on me - nullish town 19) Oatsmaster Says Clarity /WoS mafia now wants to vote HTS although - scumlean 20) Damdred Slight town going after LS believes in his case on Clarity but I think Clarity's town 21) rsoultin not a great defense when pressured, paranoid of her - scumlean 22) Half The Sky miller claim / decent listpost - flipped read on HF after being questioned which was weird - slight townlean 23) Harkon Smurf - JAT? Suspicious of ritoky's claim, but. Slight town 24) Holyflare Mindmelt opening - Doesn't like certain Rsoul's play - town lean (day 3/4 alive watch out) 25) XEliteBlueHunter69X Null- Vivax/Geript possible scum - Palmar town I'm down most for a Milo lynch. I'm caught up in the thread. @Boxerfred can you give an updated scum list? You just seem to be bouncing and voting and hoping to get something to stick - you went from HF (which you townread now?) to Oats, to HTS and then back to Oats. Are they all scummy? @Breshke are you still scumreading me? Can you give me the reasoning of such? They are in spoilers because they are too long. So at first glance I really don't like his lists like I said before it isn't inquisitive it is just surface stuff. But then I realised it isn't actually a reads list it is his own like nots list so he can rememebr what he was thinking about people in the game. This is why i asked if he normally takes notes and i started leaning a little townie on him because of this because yeah you can take notes as scum because in a big game like this youll probs need it BUT STILL it felt townie. BUT THEN you look through the rest of his filter and all the people he has marked as like scumlean or w/e he doesn't pursue or pressure or anything really. So he isn't interested in his own reads he is interested in just posting in the thread and he is mafia | ||
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milo's claim was in the 40 pages I havn't read so can't say much about that. I think ritokys claim makes sense if you believe the facts that 1. he would be busy 2. he believed it was instant majority. I also don't think the fact that there is a flipped wanderer has any bearing on the the cop claims. I also think there can be a 1 shot cop and a 2 shot cop because why the hell not. | ||
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On July 08 2015 11:23 milo109 wrote: Alright. I figured out the game. The mafia team is: MZ HF LS Scott Rsoultin/Damdred This is in order of certainty. When I flip, remember remember the seventh of July. Reasons are better than lists | ||
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On July 08 2015 11:24 scott31337 wrote: I went after milo and showed points of his play I did not like - I voted him. Others found points they did not like about him - Milo claimed two shot cop. He wasn't going to get lynched anymore. I'm still not feeling his claim, but Day two should show a little light on which way to go with that tomorrow. It's majority lynch so it feels futile trying to go after four people at once (This is my first maj. lynch game, but it feels that way) If I am incorrect in thinking that, let me know. I have an interview tomorrow so I'll pop on in the morning pacific time, and then won't be around until after day post. Leave me any questions if you'd like. Okay you do go after milo it just doesn't feel like you really try to convince anyone or get him lynched. Can you talk to me about another scumread or something. | ||
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On July 08 2015 11:41 milo109 wrote: It's / as if to signify either one. Geript could be mafia. Can we lynch MZ first and confirm my crazy hypothesis? Once that is done, future steps can be taken. What future steps won't you be dead? | ||
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On July 08 2015 11:42 milo109 wrote: Also.. if anyone thinks this is anything like how I played last game............ To quote rsoultin, 'xP' And if you think we only got one single shot cop, 'xP' Yeah and we can have other blue roles who didn't actually claim D1. Claiming cop doesn't mean you don't have to make sense. | ||
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On July 08 2015 11:46 milo109 wrote: I did my best to be reasonable and coherent, and was forced to out because of it. I'll give my reads tonight, and explain them if you wish. When I die, they will probably be ignored. That's fine. But I think I'm at least supposed to try. okay that came off more agressive than i ment it to. I mean yeah i agree we obviously have more than a 1 shot cop but that doesn't mean your claim has to be true. So run through why you chose those people from the people that voted on MZ. | ||
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On July 08 2015 14:09 ruXxar wrote: That's exactly the point, *we won't know why unless she answers the question of why she did it*. In what world does a town person not want to explain their actions? Because she read trfel as town and HF as scum and she thought HF was trying to misrepresent trfel to bury him. Look im doing it aswell now | ||
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On July 08 2015 14:15 ruXxar wrote: I want you to look deeper than that. Not just at what she did, but how she responds when she's questioned about it. Does that look like a natural towny response to you? What is a "natural townie response"? If i could explain it soe asily you dont think she could have made up some bullshit as mafia? Explain to me how it is mafia indicative to be stubborn thats what she was being. In your perfect world of how people are ment to act wouldn't the mafia be more likely to try and explain this because they want approval from town? The logic can be used both ways | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote: For the moment, yes. Read my back and forth with rux to discern why. no its fine i don;t need a reason | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:35 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: you are one of my inconclusive scum reads ironically so it might actually be in your best interest to lurk Cool. Why's that? | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:52 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: Well to start you want me to divulge new information based on nothing when your entire filter consists of comments on other's work and very few original works (example your post on rsoultin's frustration), If that is a townie trait to you, I feel like you should be doing it yourself, no? Prior to this I have in my notes that I forget you are even in the game until I read one of your posts which isn't a great sign, looking at your filter in detail you mostly piggyback thoughts and get away with posting limited analysis and asking other's questions, I don't feel like I have a grasp on what you are feeling this game at all. You have a strong scum on scott I see but besides that its like trying to put together a confusing puzzle I also have this post as being particularly strange Honestly most of the time I see people "not like" townreads on them it is because they think its some sort of reverse psychology as mafia where you are diverting credit towards yourself and it makes you look cool. Actually it just looks like an empty post where you tell a guy "actually your town read is wrong lolz" What new information? You said i was an inconclusive scumlean so there must have been something you didn't like? Why do i need to be frustrated if i think rsoultin being frustrated makes her town? That isn't how that read works I am not in the same situation as rsoultin nor are we the same person. Also your main reason for wanting to lynch me being that I havn't done shit is fairly ironic since you have done even less and you also were jsut berating people for lynching someone for lurking which is the same as not doing anything. If you didn't like that post why not bring it up at the time? No you obviously just went into my filter and tried to find something you could paint as scummy because you havn't actually tried to make a read on me as of yet and are jsut making this stuff up now. I didn't like geripts read because im not a strong player i don't contribute much so when he read me as like 99 percent town that early it could have been because of only one thing and that is meta. Like i said in the post he had a very good grasp of my meta but very likely had not checked my current games to see if anything had changed. Felt hasty like he was going for a pocket because he has pocketed me before. | ||
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Or could there be two mafia RB with this many roles I'm not sure | ||
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On July 09 2015 09:54 Damdred wrote: Well... Any questions etc for me before I raid tonight? If not I'll just massive read post tommorow are you claiming 1 shot, 2 shot or normal | ||
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On July 09 2015 10:07 Half the Sky wrote: That is my world as well. As for the milo/ritoky RB claims... I think it COULD be possible that there is two mafia rb's. It feels like the RB's arn't that strong because the stuff is refunded. But i don't know if this is true because that might seem nerfed but having like a 1 shot role seems like it would even that out. I'll probably be all for killing milo if damdred flips scum. | ||
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On July 09 2015 10:19 rsoultin wrote: i was actively deflecting off scott on a hunch that no longer appears to be true, so i'll look at what you have on him, hts I knew you roleread him haha WOS, HTS and rsoul and anyone else that is around whats your reads on EBH He named 3 people (KSC, OWS and myself) before and asked people opinions on them. I assume this is because he scumleans on us or w/e which i find odd because those two are some of my top townreads. He also complains about people not putting effort into the game when he does nothing himself which isn't alignment indicative just irritating. | ||
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On July 09 2015 02:44 Half the Sky wrote: Reading Scott's filter. I don't like the beginning of game mindmeld concept but I remembered he also brought up a good point on BF that initially made me wonder if the latter is is flying under the radar. What gives me pause (is this the same thing you mean Breshke) is Scott's answer to Damdred's question: The key words here being "first and basically only post" - I know when he gave me a townlean he also took either a listpost or something else that he considered me towny on. Would he have given me the same read if I did jack all d1? Somehow I doubt it. (see bolded in second quote) So why did he believe BM? BM did jack all after the wanderer post. He tells others to look into MY thoughts and agenda. Why didn't he do the same with BM or even think that the fact there was no thoughts or agenda could be problematic? I don't know. But I don't think this is adding up. TMI? Breshke or anyone else - comments? Nah this isn't what i meant HTS what i was talking about was his reads list seeming genuine even if it was just like short notes on what seemed surface level stuff. But about your post IDK. I don't think it is that weird. . First of all I think reason he specifically seems to mention you is because he is replying to BF about you. I think it is plausible he brings up the BM claim aswell but doesn't mention him in the next sentence because he is kind of showing BM that you have both claimed but then goes back to focus on what BM was actually talking about. I don't really see how it would be TMI either. Basically yeah it is KINDA weird. But i can understand why he doesn't say look into BM and his agenda because the post he was replying to is specifically about you | ||
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On July 09 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote: lol bresh >< i love that we think on the same wavelength. it's always the best sign that you're town ^^ and yeah. it was that or really stupid scum, and i just don't favor the stupid over smart argument unless there's a good reason to think a player would play stupid xP mmmm ebh really whiny about the lynch was the main thought that popped into my head about him, which on principle i'm not a fan of from players that i don't remember being active during the lynch beyond that i really only remember his bluehunting post lol which kinda dismissed as just...weird...and not definitively alignment-indicative Too be fair I have no idea where you got the blue read from I think the wos point that he asked about 3 people then didn't give any opinions himself is good and makes him look airly summy. VEry possible this is OMGUS for me because I was grumpy last night and he said i wasn't giving a shit about the night phase when i was actually asleep | ||
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On July 09 2015 10:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Totally would have won that game if I didn't let yamato convince me to shoot you I tried my hardest to help you | ||
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On July 09 2015 11:14 milo109 wrote: OK... Well. I'll look out at the reactions later. First I need to figure out this Damdred stuff. The problem is I think I might even believe Ritoky. Which means Damdred would have to be mafia. But I was RBed. Almost has to be by mafia. Which means Damdred is town. Okay. Ritoky is like confirmed mafia in my world. But that claim is so odd. Whatever. Get to see the lynch. Quick note, as to why I reaction tested Clarity in particular, I thought he was the most scummy after MZ and HF. Hoped to see confirmation. But that is totally thrown out of whack by this. So I never get a check this entire game btw. Ugh. So what exactly are you saying you believe? Town geript tracked town JK damdred to ritoky and ritoky was RB'd by damdred and you were rolelocked by mafia? | ||
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On July 09 2015 12:23 milo109 wrote: Remember, Mafia knows I'm fake claiming. This was the one I had the hardest time contemplating. On one hand, it seems odd that he knows to do this instantly. On the other, this is playing right in to the fake claim trap. I -think- this makes Harkon townier, unless he is out metaing me. This is also odd: I actually think that this is Damdred happy that he roleblocked a mafia. But... I have information that you don't have. That I'm town. And then we have my favorite: Er... Holyflare.. Pls. This is not from a town point of view at all. This one is interesting: I actually think this post and the one below it means I'm wrong on MZ. Or I'm an idiot and did a reaction test on town. I'll have to think over which is more likely. "mafia knows im fake claiming" This is TMI if ive ever seen it | ||
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On July 09 2015 14:42 ritoky wrote: That's a good point actually.....hadn't thought about it much was moreso thinking about me being 1-shot vs him being 2-shot. Wow, did I get shot last night? Which i assume now you realised the 1 or 2 shot doesnt mattter yes? Not necessarily no? | ||
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I thought if we killed damdred and he flipped mafia RB it ment either ritoky or geript would get a check off but i think i forgot they have 2 kp or maybe i was thinking this when i thought milo could still be a cop. IDK | ||
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On July 09 2015 21:52 milo109 wrote: Hey look. Scum setting up their next mislynch. hey. What do you think of EBH | ||
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On July 09 2015 23:08 Half the Sky wrote: That all said, considering behaviour and all, the lynch should be Damdred. I just don't buy the explanation for JKing ritoky. I also very much believe ritoky's explanation for suggesting that a scum ritoky should be smart enough NOT to carry KP given the number of people scumreading him. JK action N1, as Oats said should be a defensive one. I know in Himalayas, a scummer WAS JKed offensively but that individual (or I should say the original individual) was also likely mistakenly townread, that was more coincidence than intentional. But I feel that Damdred is exp enough he should know how to JK. To add on to this if he wasn't sure what to do with his night action i don't see why he didn't jsut abstain since he only has 2 charges and i don't think he was in too much danger of getting NK'd nor was he at the top of peoples lynch lists so he probably could have gotten two more nights | ||
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On July 09 2015 23:10 rsoultin wrote: because mafia rb xP thought that was obvious in my post but you know Yeah but the RB doesn't mean much at this point really. This is a dumb thing to talk about thought because it doesn't matter my bad | ||
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On July 09 2015 23:08 Breshke wrote: Rsoul why do you specifically point out HF wants to lynch milo over damdred. If damdred is 95% scum then milo is basically 95% scum add on to that the weird way he handled damdreds claim i don't see a problem with lynching either of them. The way i see it we lynch damdred and hardon is around D3 or we lynch milo and either geript or ritoky is around D3 probably ritoky as he seems to be busy. So yeah damdred is probs a better lynch today On July 09 2015 23:15 Harkon wrote: If damdred is mafia and we lynch him then unless mafia has 2 rbs scum is forced to kill both ritoky and geript unless they want to let them get another check. Which means marv and me are both alive day3. | ||
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No I was joking soz I'm off and I probably won't be around too much tomorrow at least until much later or something | ||
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On July 10 2015 14:27 rsoultin wrote: not really -_- unless you want to reread hf's case on me and watch me twitch about ruxxar some more, but i can't imagine why you would like, i know this doesn't really seem to mean much to anyone but...like, ruxx actually played a kick-ass scumgame until he got sloppy in himalayas...like his start was eeeeeh but if you read the posting around d3/d4 where hf was still dodging the lynch, particularly d3, he was more solid than people are giving him credit for in this game i actually said in the obs qt he was the only scum i didn't mind losing to because of his play. you remember? but here he asks me questions, responds to my answers with the same questions, so clearly isn't reading/caring what i say and then there's getting up my craw for "defending" a toneread, which i really didn't do much apart from trying to reason with hf when i thought he could be town for his point on truffle's ls case >< when he was IN the game where i did that with both damdred and gb off tonereads, particularly gb i find it very hard to believe he actually believes what he's saying, calling me scum for something i did as town in literally the only game he's played with me >< Yes if you saw i half defended you from him. Its really shit thought because we have like 5 days of realtime where our lynches are set and i know we can still talk about stuff but its just meh. I agree the way ruxxar delt with you was wrong like he didn't seem to reconsider if you were town he never gave you a chance but idk if that makes him mafia. Also HF has some balls casing rsoul after LS has gunned someone just sayin not sure what ordr stuff happened in but ye. | ||
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[QUOTE]On July 10 2015 14:30 Breshke wrote: [QUOTE]On July 10 2015 14:27 rsoultin wrote: [QUOTE]On July 10 2015 14:17 Breshke wrote: Also HF has some balls casing rsoul after LS has gunned someone just sayin not sure what ordr stuff happened in but ye. [/QUOTE] Since you already shit in the pot already - and have read the last 10 pages - what are you saying here? [/QUOTE][/quote] Yeah i thought i wasn't going to say it but meh. Just saying ls claimed gunsmith did he not? I think it is clear what i am saying | ||
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On July 10 2015 15:57 scott31337 wrote: So do you believe in this two mafia RB theory as well Breshke? I think it is possible. But i do not think it is the case because i think milo is mafia | ||
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On July 10 2015 15:59 Breshke wrote: So what is the reasons for not outing who has the gun and discussing the shot? to add onto myself if damdred flips mafia RB then geript and ritoky are the kills anyway. Even if the dude gets killed im fairly sure from my skim of the OP his shot goes off plus we get a geript/ritoky check | ||
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What could rsoul answer here to make you townreads her there is literally nothing. You have obviously made your mind up so ignore her and convince other that it's scummy because you won't convince her | ||
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On July 12 2015 21:55 Holyflare wrote: I want you guys to lynch me today because it's not lylo and then you can lynch rsoultin, you guys say she's doing work but she's constantly repeating exactly what everyone keeps saying she has no actual proper reads. Milo is probably still mafia despite the odd one or two posts looking towny because there is no way he still believes in his lynch list that is based on mz flipping red. Then there's the whole 2 rb scenario. Trfel is playing absolutely useless and he's somehow ignored all the posts I've made towards him, add him to some kind of watch list. I still don't believe scott is so mafia-y but someone (trfel?) brought up that scott town read me on the first post while saying it wasn't indicative. Kinda like that point. Kinda can't be bothered since i get attacked every post i make so who cares right? You can see my opinions were genuine for next cycle. Okay I'll vote you before I go to sleep | ||
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Tried reading his filter and early he seems to be kinda of all over the place with his scumreads which scott pointed out at the time which gives me weird feelings about scott. I also dislike his meta case on KSC because its based off of one game. I also dislike when he quotes peoples useless one liners as a reason to scumread because it feels like a weak thing to push on. I would have him lean scum if anything | ||
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On July 13 2015 20:16 Clarity_nl wrote: I like his progression regarding his read on me. Ummm i actually don't mind this. Like i looked for this read progression and it was seriously nowhere like he scumreads you the entire game for from what i can tell is your early HF reactions but from what i can tell he flipped because of your milo case? He says you have also been reasonable but he first seems to like you because of the milo case. Im guessing the flip there is the progression you liked? | ||
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On July 13 2015 20:29 KelsierSC wrote: it's based on your tone and the early vote. early vote is a bad indicator IMO because that is based on more who is in the game | ||
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On July 13 2015 20:43 Clarity_nl wrote: Without looking into filters it's about context I think. Apparently I was scummy d1 (whatever) but he wasn't pushing it cause there were scummier people. Then n1 he kinda went for me and then after all the claims he still thought I was scum but after my milo stuff he gave me a town lean, all makes sense to me. In general I just get the impression that boxerfred is trying to find scum. This makes a lot more sense now thankyou yes it sounds a lot better when you put it into context like that On July 13 2015 21:13 Half the Sky wrote: That's the thing though, the first 2 games BF as town he actually IS all over the place with relatively longish periods of afk. From what I can tell esp from my exp in Not Themed is that he's not a great scumhunter and I'm getting the same impression here. Some of his posts are repetitive but it may partially have to do with the fact that everytime he's in thread he's catching up at least 40+ pages. If he's scum, it's not necessarily for that based on what I know of his gameplay. Also if you skim this filter from NSM10....that's BF's filter as scum. He's 1) more tryhard (tone but yeh) 2) more aggressive (presumably with perfect information so his agenda is set) and 3) tries to make himself look more townie by putting in more effort to substantiate pushes against townies who are playing more suboptimally. That's the impression I got. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?user=boxerfred As for Scott pointing out BF are you saying Scott potentially has TMI or Scott might be picking off what he might perceive an easy lynch? If this is the game i think it is was this not his first game ever? Idk how much you can metaread someone from one game let alone their first. Other than that i like your explanation but when you say if hes scum does that mean you dont have him as a townlean but more like null? As for the scott comment i actually think it makes him look a little town because it he had the same thought I had while reading BF. I said it was intresting thought because it really isn't something that would make me flip my read though. | ||
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On July 13 2015 21:41 ruXxar wrote: I really like the idea that someone brought up that a lot of mafia could be hiding among the lurkers when most of the lynches are "auto". These are the people that I feel have been invisible enough to be in that group. Trfel Wave Scott Kelsier Breshke Obi EBH What's common for all of them is that they never really got into any heavy confrontations that I can remember where they had to defend or push their view. It's easy for mafia to sit back and soft push people, throwing out names and accusations etc without really trying to push their view onto other people or fight back when they get confronted with their views. Coupled with low activity and little interest in playing as mafia I feel like there should definitely be at least 1 mafia here if not 2 or more. Of the people on that list I like EBH and Obi the most, mostly due to the interaction I've had with them. That's not a very strong point though. The rest are meh tier. What changed ruxxar? | ||
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Something about him always coming to HF's defense when he fake matrys jsut doesn't sit right with me. He doesn't have the fear in him that HF is mafia. I also have a problem with him talking about "lynch him later lynch him at lylo." As he already complained about the amount of lurkers in the game and it would just be the same situation he himself and HF took advantage of last game where they could easily steer the thread because they were some of the msot active. Basically I don't think ruxxar is showing that townie paranoia and is too sure of his HF read especially when thread eladers like harkon and marv are unsure/flipfloppy on hf's allighnment | ||
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On July 14 2015 11:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Does this make them mafia together or what? No it doesn't really mean much about HF's allighnment | ||
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On July 14 2015 11:24 Oatsmaster wrote: really? Dont you think its hard to call your mafia teammate town when hes obviously not? I don't think you could say HF is "obviously not" town. On July 14 2015 11:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote: It just seems like such a weird point to focus on. I don't really get how this says anything about ruxxar really? Tell me why does ruxxar townreadread HF? | ||
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On July 14 2015 11:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Do me a favor and tell me instead? Or at least quote it? I'm not reading through this slog of a game to find something about a player that I haven't really had any ill-will towards this game, especially when it seems like such an irrelevant point to me. Also, I'm going to start posting bigger posts to hopefully keep my filter/the game readable. If anything I thought kelsier's analysis of Hf was scummy because he fixated on things that didn't really exist in order to read Hf as town, especially when I've seen him pull that kind of analysis as mafia before. Dnu. Kelsier had a really strong early game and I know people are dropping his name but I can't really seem to find the basis for that either. /shrug What did you think of that and how is ruxxar's read on Hf scummier than that? Sorry that question was jsut kind of a set up. Iirc tell he doesn't really qualify it anywhere other than saying "HF is making sense" which i cant seem to find now but yeah that is totally possible from a scum HF. His big thing this game was pushing the scummyness of rsoul interupting HF's pressure which he seemed to be really convinced that it made rsoul scummy which means he must be really sure the pressure came from a town. Yet i don't see how he can be so sure HF is town Is this making sense? I don't think it is. | ||
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@clarityyes im scumreading ruxxar. Also im townreading LS, rsoul, trfel and HTS. I am also townreading OWS and clarity but i am less sure about these two but i think thats because i am not as familiar with them. Does anyone have problems with these people (other than ruxxar concerning rsoul) | ||
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On July 16 2015 00:25 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: Not sure why I ever dropped my scumread on breshke lower he clearly has no reason to solve the game. so he townreads the entire game and then has his one "whacky" read of scumreading ruxxar and then just leaves off all the low content posters generically. The ruxxar read is simply to seem as if he is somehow engaged to the game, this is textbook mafia. if only I had any pull this game... This takes me post fairly out of context and is half bullshit I townread 6 people which isn't even half of the game. it also wasn't even a reads list. Saying I had ruxxar as scum was actually a direct response to clarity. The townreads were there because it is my platform to work off of and I wanted to see if anyone disagreed because I have been so wrong this game. As an aside if OWS is actually mafia and you are town EBH you are probably the biggest hindrance to town since you arn't even trying to convince people. Like OWS is me least sure townread so i ask you to explain your read and you just ignore it, it's reallt frustrating Trfel is right about BF pplaying dumb his first game but I think this dumbtell is different because its less of playing dumb and more of just purely misunderstanding something. I'm not sure how to explain this but i think clarity has done so already. Add BF to my townlist. Leaves me with 3 scum in 24) Holyflare (filter) 25) XEliteBlueHunter69X (filter) 19) Oatsmaster (filter) 5) ruXxar (filter) 6) Vivax (filter) 3) WaveofShadow (filter) which i will be looking through today | ||
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On July 16 2015 09:28 Holyflare wrote: I think oats is town because his play on day 1 basically only comes from someone who knows about being a VT and if he was mafia he would directly understand that geript was a blue instead and yet geript wasn't shot at all. I think besides that his play has been relatively active/intuitive and towny. I also think Vivax is town because of activity and yes his posts have been weird but I have town feels from them and he seems to be pushing his ideas which are more in line with a town vivax than anything. Wave is purely meta and a geript read so it could be completely wrong. I realise that PoE's me but I am not mafia either, I also kind of like VA's posting and yeh it looks like he's "too right" but VA isn't that bad and his posts haven't been awful and have been in line with what i'm thinking most of the time (obi, kelsier etc) I realise that like.... literally leaves just me and ruxxar but I don't really have a read on ruxxar and i'm town so that pretty much means your PoE is very likely wrong (mayyybeeee not on VA and ruxxar but i think VA is probably town) genuinely thankyou for this. Can you explain the "comes from someone who knows about being a VT" bit about oats and also elaborate or show me what posts from vivax you egt townfeels from? Also you have a problem with some people for townreading you when they have no buisness town reading you. Why do you not apply this to ruxxar aswell? Do you find the reasons for his townread on you to be legitimate? | ||
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On July 16 2015 09:56 Holyflare wrote: Well, oats pushed geript for his "scum slip" thing all of day one right? It genuinely looks like Oats is a VT and "caught" out geript in his scum slip thing and besides that he had actual logical reasons to scum read geript too, he elaborated more on it later: To oats, it was obvious that geript did not get the VT pm and he spent ages tunneling on it (I actually really like all of his posts d1 and maybe I should ignore oats less  ) so if he was mafia he'd know that geript was actually blue.Vivax is a bit hard to quantify but i'll try in a bit I kinda wrote this off because i thought it was dumb. Like the last quote chain especially im not sure what interaction oats was looking for with geript. I found it weird but not alignment indicative weird more like i dont get this weird. I thought it was fairly clear that geript ment that the word investigator shouldn't mean anything to anyone because the pms are listen in the OP. I do understand the logic though that oats seemed fairly certain it meant geript was not VT so if he was mafia he would have likely pushed for that nightkill. This is a good reason to townread oats. On July 16 2015 09:59 Holyflare wrote: Nah, I just explained I don't have a read on ruxxar. His situation is also a bit different because he JUST played in a mafia game with me together so I expected him to have a different insight into things than Clarity for example who keeps denying anything being told to him. Ruxxar's read is based on his anecdotal facts and own point of view and Clarity's is based purely on.... who knows and when you don't really know a player and everyone is screaming in your face otherwise and you still keep that read then it's pretty fucking scummy to me. Yeh, I do have a weakness for people defending me too and rsoultin should know that because she did exactly the same to me in another game so saying it's weird is pretty bad for her anyway. Did you read my stuff on Obi Breshke? Both the night posts and post I just made now? Why do you have him as town? Okay i see how that doesn't really apply but can you look at this post please. On July 14 2015 01:29 ruXxar wrote: I was scum with HF last game, and I have a townlean on him this game. In general I find HF hard to read, he doesn't conform to the stereotypic mafia player. There are however small nuances that I think makes him town this game, compared to last game. 1) He's actually pushing logical targets. I find myself agreeing with a lot of his reasoning, as compared to just trying to tunnel people to death with weak arguments and a play on emotions. Last game he tried to lynch people by ridiculing them and their arguments and being over the top and shouting at them. Blowing things out of proportions and trying to make them look stupid. I'm seeing a relatively more "calm" and reasoning HF this game. More serious and down to business. 2) He's more wishy washy. This doesn't mean that he IS wishy washy in a general sense, but in a relative sense compared to last game. Especially the night when were lynched BM he seemed a bit all over the place, uncertain where to go. You see that he sometimes have a hard time picking a target to lynch, I can relate to that very well. That isn't the scum HF I played with last game. He mainly picked one target and stuck with it, and didn't waver much. 3) He's re-evaluating his stance. You can see multiple times throughout the game that he's re-evaluating his stance on people. This is apparent in how he's re-evaluating his stance on both trfel, hts, milo and others continuously, jumping from towny to scummy based on their actions/reactions. That's my opinion on HF so far this game, I don't agree that shooting him is a good idea. If anything, shoot Rsoul. Do you think these reasons could make him have such a strong townread that he doesn't really seem to second guess it. I think all of these things are entirely possible for you to do as town. Number 1 is the best reason i find but it still shouldn't make his read so concrete. He speaks with such authority like he knows your play so well and hey maybe he does but i find it really hard to believe coming from someone who has played what? 1 game with you? Also if anything the second reason concerning the BM lynch I wouldn't really say is townie since we know it was town v town and this was posted after the MZ flip but he doesn't even take this into account in his read. I have read your obi stuff but i don't really remember it, i will definitely go back and take a look at it sometime soon like this phase though. | ||
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That being said I do not want to lynch HF this cycle. Obi can you give a read on clarity that doesn't give him a pass for activity i want to see it please | ||
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On July 16 2015 14:47 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: frankly I think you are only refuting it because you do not want HF to be townread, the game is over with HF and mine mislynches. You can already see the game leaning that way as people slowly start consolidating their scum reads to me and hf out of nowhere. This is weird like dont you scumread me? I jsut said i dont wanna lynch HF | ||
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Rsoul how behind in the game are you? | ||
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On July 16 2015 15:48 rsoultin wrote: i'm not? i'm behind in the work i usually put into a game that y'all never see much of, just the results from lol >< should have been in bed half an hour ago right now my main concern is seeing if hf's case on obi has any validity Ahh okay it is just weird for you not to have a read on me. Also yeah HF wasn't around when we misslynched him | ||
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Also HF i really think rsoul is town like i know it was ages ago but i really feel like that read I gave on her was legit and the like one thing this game i feel really confident about other than HTS being town. It is really strange obi just left like that IDK i get if he is town where the frustration comes from but i don't get why it was so intense so fast. urghh i don't even know if i want to lynch clarity there is seriously like noone i have strong feelings about lynching cant we just kill wos he will probs get modkilled anyway | ||
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yeah the extra death doesnt actually matter my bad | ||
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Also BF i have also not voted yet you ignore that because it doesnt fit your world. You see where clarity is coming from. If you pick two people to be scum of course you can find stuff to fit that picture like if i say ruxxar and hf are scum then i can justify it that ruxxar has been townreading and defending HF when i feel he has had no buisness doing so. but it doesnt work like that. | ||
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I pointed out some thing from your original hf read like how you said he was wishy washy on the d1 lynch and thats townie for him but in general it isnt townie for a town v town lynch and you didnt re evelaute that. Also its just felt like it has been so constant like even when you weren't "townreading" him it was like you were cheerleading his cause by pushing on rsoul for the trfel stuff. it doesnt matter though because i dont want to lynch HF and that probably means im not going to lynch you. As it stands i would rather lynch obi over clarity because idk why obi peaced out when he did. | ||
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thanks that is the answer i was looking for im not aware of his meta | ||
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Im setting like 5 alarms so i should be here before EOD | ||
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On July 17 2015 06:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote: :/ You didn't work anywhere near hard enough to ensure it didn't happen. Ya pre much. I also didn't think he was that townie until I just caught up right now. It osnt the worst thing in the world but it isn't great | ||
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On July 17 2015 06:51 rsoultin wrote: lol okay? well i'm not lynching you over him, even if i believed that made him town, so...?? ?? ??????????? It's fine you don't have to agree I was just telling you why i doubt the lynch | ||
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On July 17 2015 06:54 rsoultin wrote: well i was more asking if any other names are being floated, cause i've only read this last page and i don't even know what posting you're referring to? The big long one with all his scum reads. It's quite compelling. He also probably could have switched to me with like the obi ebh vivas and Ruxxar crew but he was all like no breshke is town. It doesn't matter lynch is set I'll probs swap to HF if I make it to the voting thread just cos majority | ||
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Going back to bed. Next phase is going to be shit | ||
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Alright obi be more mafia | ||
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On July 17 2015 07:08 rsoultin wrote: depends on who his scumreads are, bresh. there are at least a few people i refuse to lynch lol >< M8 you are one of them. Hence why the phase is going to be shit. | ||
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On July 17 2015 07:10 boxerfred wrote: Would even prefer Clarity over Rsoul at this point I rly don't know based on my own reads yes. But Marv and JAT died saying there was one between HF and rsoul (I think?) and rsoul was hfs most sure scum read. So she is objectivly a better lynch since my reads are dumpster | ||
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On July 17 2015 07:12 boxerfred wrote: okay I guess. After all we have one mislynch left, right? No we have two I'm fairly sure everyone was doing maths earlier you missed out Also why is rsoul saying no one is lynching her bullshit? Seems fairly standard | ||
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On July 17 2015 07:15 rsoultin wrote: how is it bs? lol...like seriously i'm just saying it's not gonna happen. if you want to make it bs by trying to lynch me, be my guest anyway, i'm out for awhile. sucks that i was wrong, but frankly, i'm kind of glad to not have him sniping at me every turn even if he was town also, ruxx looks super bad for the hard defend, just sayin Ehhhhhhh Wpuld you be saying Ruxxar looked any better if he had flipped mafia though | ||
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Why does Ruxxar as scum not flip his read though. He was given plenty of oppurtunities. I'm out 4 realz now though | ||
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Damdred claimed two or some shit | ||
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On July 18 2015 07:21 Clarity_nl wrote: You're 1shot JK and you held it until n4? Yea I was hoping to hold it even later | ||
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Did he not say he townread him but would still lynch cos martyr. I feel that is a retarded thing to say as scum because you can just flip your read and no one would blame you. if you are town I could see Ruxxar being scum because him pushing you for the trefel stuff could be because it would continue the shitfight between you and HF but I don't think that's the case. | ||
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On July 18 2015 13:39 rsoultin wrote: no? like, that's what it seemed like he was saying, and i pressed him for it then because i was fairly certain that they were scum together, but he said that he was still pretty sure hf was town but wanted to lynch vivax and me ^^ like his reason for switching to hf was "to prevent scum switching off and forcing a no-lynch" which was like...dumb as hell? like why would scum prefer a no-lynch to an hf mislynch, and ruxx was "sure" he was town? and then he decided to switch back to me for like...what reason exactly? hf was getting lynched. it was all very nonsensical and looks more like...again...he didn't know what to do with himself near EoD just like with the bm lynch on d1 where he made a big commotion about shenanigans and not wanting a no-lynch while staying on the smaller wagon instead of ensuring that the lynch would go through when he'd said he didn't care which of the two was actually lynched like a lot of his posting looks like flailing around trying to figure out what to do. if you review his filter he has a shit-ton of preachy town should! townies should! rah rah you should! type of posting and seriously, bresh, if you see a town!hf and a town!rsoul going at it as scum, you really think scum wasn't capitalizing on that? there is no earthly way he could have been that sure about hf's alignment that early. no way. there is no earthly way unless you're completely misreading the thread that you can say that i instigated anything with hf until i brought my case on him d1 sorru i was at work and my break finished i do care about this game no matter how many times people say i dont. Yeah but the switch basically makes the reason you are pushing him null. He obviously showed he wasnt that sure about HF's allighnment so he was worried HF was scum and mafia would switch off him to force a no lynch. Yeah it doesnt make sense when you think about it deeper because then scum basically outs itself but i had the same thought as him sounless you want to say im scum for it aswell ruxxar isnt scum for that reason. the preachy posts are shit i agree but why does that make him mafia? I agree scum would capitalize on that but by the same token wouldnt they capatalize on a HF lynch and not be so iffy about it. Maybe ruxxar has a really good read on HF or maybe it is fuckin shit and he got lucky that time but him being right about HF's allighnment doesn't make him scum. Like i like this line of reasoning before but now HF has flipped it just doesnt feel right to me anymore. | ||
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Tomorrow im going to try be around a lot so if people are around that would be great. Obi i would really like to hear your opinion on all the things | ||
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Also if you think obi is scum you either think i got fairly unlucky or im scum.so the team would exactly be me rsoul and obi | ||
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On July 19 2015 01:09 ruXxar wrote: I haven't had the time to consider your claim yet. Talk to me about it. Why did you decide to jail Obi of all people and not one of the more highly contested people like me? I don't see a benefit for town fake claiming here unless they are in contention for getting lynched the next day. I could see town fake-claiming to save themselves if they had no other way of escape, and that they would also guard one of their strongest town-reads to protect them as well. I don't get the impression that OBI is your strongest town-read so that theory doesn't make sense. It seems like a very unnatural thought, and I don't think you'd think of making that play as town unless you were a real PR. The option as you say is that you're mafia and that you're trying to clear your scum-mate. However that would be an extremely high risk play since it brings a lot of attention to yourself when you weren't previously in contention for getting lynched, and as you said you could've saved it for later when it would've been even more effective. For now I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt as I'm always weary of lynching PR claims. I wouldn't be surprised actually if you were PR since scum has had 2 RBer's this game which is unprecedented and really strong for a scum team. As for Obi, he could still possibly be scum just not a KP carrier (1/3 chance), so not going to give him a free pass for that just yet. I Rb'd obi for the exact reason in your post. He wasn't one of the main people in contention. Ill let you know some of the things i was thinking. First of all I wanted to save my power until there was two scum left because if i didnt cause a reduction in KP the eprson would be confirmed town. The reason i did not do this is because i did not want to claim in mylo. Im not sure if i should have saved like marv or JAT and kept them around another phase idk how useful that would be and the nature of me not being a high impact player coupled with my more inactive play this game i was fairly certain i would be alive later in the game hence i didn't use my ability early. So last night if i was going to use my ability on the person i most thought was scum i would have used it on rsoultin. This probably wasn't as clear to the thread as i thought it was looking back but last night i thought it was so it ran through my mind that the possibility there was a rolecop they would make sure rsoultin didnt carry kp. I also think clarity would be one to not carry kp as along with rsoultin being active like why run the risk when you can just shove it on your less active teammates. The same kind of applys for you ruxxar but last night i thought you were very likely town i still do but you townreading like only the people rsoul scumreads is so meh. I also wanted to RB someone who if there was no reduction in kp i thought i could kinda work with so this left me with like HTS or obi (maybe vivax but i dont remember why i didnt consider him) and i didn't get to check the game that HF linked about HTS nor have i yet so i still thought she was rather town and a possible night kill at the time. So yeah it was obi, i kinda regret not saving it but i feel like i would be getting pushed this phase and it isnt worth the risk idk. I actually planned to not use it but changed my mind like 6 hours before deadline. | ||
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On July 19 2015 01:29 rsoultin wrote: you still haven't said why you're reading me scum? like...are you seriously basing it on legacies and the ridiculous notion that hf and i can't fight as town? No its not just based on that. The legacy thing could easily be outdated even though that is what i said last time but there was also a feeling i had that like in the later stages of last day phase you would come into the thread and just interact with HF while saing you were not really caught up and at first it was like oh cool she is trying to sort out the problem blah blah but then it was like okay enough is enough this is clearly going nowhere now do other things. Obviously that paragraph is a load of shit and i want to justify it with quotes and stuff but that is for tomorrow hence why i havnt said why i have been scum reading you. Also rsoul look at that votecount. That is a ballsy scumteam if you are right. Like we arnt even in mylo | ||
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On July 19 2015 01:57 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: its sad because I really like the people on ruxxar barring rsoultin heavily and I don't think ruxxar is scum. So you think ther scum is in rsoultin, bf, WOS, Oats? or you think i am fakeclaiming? | ||
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On July 19 2015 02:14 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: i dont know what to think, I stopped putting in serious effort so i wouldnt pay attention to my thoughts anyway because im barely reading this game. Reading vivax filter ruxxar is probably mafia. you dont know what to think but you townread 4 out of the remaining 10 players while another two can basically be cleared when you decide on my claim. Seems like you had the game basically solved pity you flipped your read on ruxxar. | ||
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On July 19 2015 12:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I can lynch Bf. That statement is probably the second time I remember him saying something that made no sense as a scumread. I dont think these types of things make BF scum though. | ||
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On July 19 2015 13:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Do you have a better idea? My proposal is to lynch either him or wave. No, I have a gut feeling we should lynch rsoultin but i cant quantify it nor have reason to trust it, Like i want to vote someone that voted on HF because im fairly sure there is two scum on that wagon which might also be a reason why vivax was killed instead of HTS if HTS is town. Holyflare (8): LightningStrike, Clarity_nl, WaveofShadow, Trfel, Oatsmaster, rsoultin, ObiWanShinobi, Half the Sky LS is dead, you are town and im fairly sure oats is town. Then im less sure of these but i think HTS is town and trfel even less sure. So it leaves me with Wos, Rsoul and clarity. A WoS lynch is boring so I guess i want to lynch clarity or rsoul | ||
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On July 19 2015 14:00 rsoultin wrote: i dunnae, bresh. i'll look into it again more closely, i guess, but frankly with the numbers of the players right on the OP, i'd call it playing dumb. i'd call it playing dumb for him to repeatedly reference a game hts wasn't even in while i'm aware that it's a personal bias of mine to be resistant to the idea that someone actually is stupid, it's a bias i don't mind having the bigger question is who is scum if not him? i'm not ^^ you can lynch me and find out for sure and go straight to mylo, if you want. my give a shits this game are coming in short supply for all the non-reasons people have to think i'm scum you seem to think ruxx isn't for whatever reason -_- who does that leave, bresh? You, clarity, VA and WoS. I can understand your frustration if you are town, i know im not even really presenting reason on why you are scum other than dead peoples opinions and some shitty votecount thing. Talk to me about this rsoul. Your curent world is a scumteam of Ruxxar, BF and EBH. None of these people voted on HF yesterday do you think it is viable to believe that scum didn't vote on him at all? | ||
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On July 19 2015 14:30 rsoultin wrote: should i bother? like i doubt you can understand my frustration at all. i do not believe that a town ruxx would think this way, and even if he did, wouldn't bother reading my filter or trying to determine my alignment all game i already told you that i thought ruxx, bf, va, wave, clarity were where you'd find the scum, and yes, that's in the order of certainty no. in all honesty i don't think it was terribly likely that there were no scum on hf lol >< i'm just not seeing many people who i think are particularly scummy on his wagon? i was looking into obi before you cleared him and i'm not 100% sold that clarity is town, or wave, but as for the rest...-shrugs- i do think it's a bit ridiculous to base your scumreads off arbitrary "there must be 2 on the wagon and 1 off" sort of assumptions, however, instead of actually evaluating the play. why must that be the case, and why use an assumption based on nothing like that when it could easily lead you astray? like, seriously, if scum can get away with not voting for hf, you don't think they would? what's more concerning to me and what should be more concerning to y'all is that these alternate wagons of 1s and 2s were never ever going to be lynched but all the "dissenters" parked on different ones instead of at least agreeing on a counterwagon. it's ridiculously pointless to waste a vote like that, especially for people so sure that hf is town i dunnae. no, i don't think all scum voted off-wagon but i'm going to look for who i think is scum frankly, if you hadn't claimed jk with reasonable logic behind that claim, your single vote on the sidelines there looked pretty bad to me -_- while talking about not liking the lynch yeah hence why i used my power early lol. I knew where i stood. I'm not solely basing my reads off of that there has to be 2 on the HF wagon but it obviously needs consideration because there IS scum on that wagon. The reason i think you are scum is because you had this long fight with HF and nothign was achieved your read on him hardly changed and it was just tedious. Then after he flips you start doing the same thing with ruxxar. I don't feel like you have taken HF's reads into account now and as town i feel like you WOULD do this because you hate it when people ignore you after you die. I wasn't exactly sure HF was town anda majority of the people who thought HF was town also thought iw as scum so me consolidating with them wasn't really going to happen. | ||
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On July 19 2015 15:42 Trfel wrote: Clarity_nl's been posting and active. Why? The game has been depressing, there has been a million pages, town has had some terrible role claims and some terrible lynches. And Clarity_nl is still going, just as confidently as ever, just as active as ever. But he took a break to completely switch his read on Holyflare, willing to lynch him just for martyring? This isn't something that someone who is calm, and is actually caring about the game, would do. Someone tell me why I'm wrong. playing devils advocate, it was like the third time HF did it, straw that breaks the camels back etc. I think you have a good point though | ||
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Also there was like at least 3 people in the night that said they wanted to kill me. Also there was the possibility that mafia had a role cop still and they had just randomly used it on me. ##Vote Rsoultin I said some shitty reasons before but it is good enough for now. Clarity says too many things that make sense especially that last big post. I also find it really weird that VA says he likes 4 people and then all he has to do is make a decision about my claim and he has auto yet he decides to flip his read on ruxxar for shitty wifom reason that vivax scum read him even though there is a bunch of explanations on why vivax died. But still I want to lynch either clarity or rsoul today and like i said im liking clarity more. | ||
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On July 19 2015 22:48 Oatsmaster wrote: If mafia kills you, your jk literally doesnt matter. Can you quote the posts where people want to kill you? Doesnt my thingy stll go off if i die? On July 17 2015 23:19 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: how can you say these things with a straight face in the same sentence? breshke LITERALLY just parked his vote on ruxxar all day last cycle and did nothing and that is the basis of your scumread impossible to know who is town or mafia in this game because there are huge gaping logical errors and double standards on every page I read On July 18 2015 00:04 Clarity_nl wrote: Holyflare (8): LightningStrike, Clarity_nl, WaveofShadow, Trfel, Oatsmaster, rsoultin, ObiWanShinobi, Half the Sky Breshke (2): Vivax, XEliteBlueHunter69X rsoultin (2): ruXxar, boxerfred ObiWanShinobi (1): Holyflare ruXxar (1): Breshke Here's where I stand, which actually makes the lynches quite easy. I would start with ruxxar, then OWS + Breshke in some order and then rsoultin if necesarry, easy game. | ||
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On July 19 2015 22:45 rsoultin wrote: o.0 yeah bresh is male, not sure why that's important but he probably doesn't appreciate being virtually castrated lol >< (truffle, stating my opinion on you when asked isn't defending you xP but if you want me to pretend i think you're scum when i think you're town...that's kinda silly) i don't see how i'm not considering hf's reads, bresh? there is a world of difference between considering a player's reads and blindly sheeping them. did you forget ruxx was one? anyone voting for me or scumreading me right now who has not read my filter (looking at you, bresh, among others) should be ashamed, and that's all i'm going to say regarding this "all you did was fight with hf/now all you're doing is fighting with ruxx" bs and nope, va ^^ i'm sorry he was town, but i'm not sorry he's out of the game and i'm not going to pretend otherwise. you don't like it? too bad oats...i didn't think it was that unreasonable for bresh to try to use his role defensively as jk? statistically it's more likely to be effective than early game as well just cause there are less players. is that one quote from damdy's claim the main reason you're doubting him? Idk i just feel like you would be thrown into doubt when HF flipped town since you seemed fairly sure but maybe im thinking more how i would react than how you would react. Also i wasn't using my JK defensively i wasnt going for a save i was going for a RB. Can you talk to me about the stuff i said about VA i dont think its as good as i think it is | ||
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On July 19 2015 22:59 Oatsmaster wrote: so thats like 2 people and one of them has absolutely no pull with the thread. Also, clarity doesnt even want to lynch you first. Meh, I think you are town, cheers xP. Yeah tbh i thought there was more maybe i couldnt find them or maybe i fucked up. | ||
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On July 19 2015 23:14 Clarity_nl wrote: Oats if you've read my filter I shine with tryhard townie thoughts, lynching me because of something you consider "dumb" is terrible and you should reconsider. Yeah but we wouldn't know why a kp was missing and it wouldn't give us an extra day, so you have to be alive for your jk to mean anything my last post before daypost was obi jk haha i think you guys could have worked it out. On July 19 2015 23:14 rsoultin wrote: you're right, offensively was the correct word lol >< and actually what i meant. i'm just half-awake the crux of your scumread is after being wrong on hf i shouldn't have other strong scumreads? that's...kinda ludicrous? like look at it from my perspective. i know i'm town, and hf was obviously town. hf being town actually just cements the feeling i've had all game that ruxx was making up shit to take sides there...like his huge argument the day we lynched hf was hf looked townier than i did? you probably aren't reading our posts cause they're tedious and even i don't want to -_- but it's basically turned into a rsoul i'm scumreading you for doing this! only that's not what i did? yes you did! no i didn't! -_- i dunnae how to explain it really but i feel that a town ruxx would at least look back to make sure that what he thought was what actually happened, and it seems a hell of a lot like he was setting me up for when hf flipped town. he says now he's scumreading me for basically being an asshole to him, but before it was definitely for "defending" truffle which i've said dozens of times this game he's seen me do as TOWN in the only game we've played together i kinda just want to leave my vote on him, yet y'all lynch me and demand you lynch him the next day when i flip town, since it worked so well for hf lol >< mindless lemmings meh, i dunnae how that necessarily makes va scum? like i get why you think it does, cause it's him "keeping his options open" or whatever, but va does the nk wifom thing (pretty imprefectly lol ><) on a regular basis. i've seen it in all his town games...not sure if he does it as scum or not That is half my point thought the arguments felt useless like i wont lie i didnt read the big post from him today nor your reply to it because it just feels like a bunch of he said she said. So we lynch ruxxar and he flips town. Who do youw ant to lynch tomorrow? I know i asked something like this before but im trying to get a clear picture | ||
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On July 19 2015 23:26 rsoultin wrote: you did and it hasn't changed xP i still think scum is between va/bf/wave/clarity if ruxx flips town, but i'm pretty sure he won't ^^ and yes, the arguing is pointless and that's why i stopped. he decided hf was town and i was scum 12 hrs into the game for reasons that aren't even accurate. like you accuse me of having unchanging reads lol >< when i've actually tried to work with both of them like maybe va is a better shot for flipping scum than bf and i'm just being too hopeful thinking that people really aren't that...eh, i have no nice way to describe bf if he's not scum so i'm not going to go there -_- va completely forgot his townread on hf. then when hf is being lynched he suddenly remembers again, and it's for the same reason that always existed? like, how is that possible? hf wasn't just a townread, either; he was va's most confident townread. i don't think a town!va forgets that, and him trying to use this "i was right on hf" for towncred makes it look even worse. his memory lapse was very convenient, imo Why is clarity on the list? (yes at the end but im sure there is still a reason) | ||
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On July 19 2015 23:39 rsoultin wrote: eh >< fuck it ruxx may actually be town if he really thought you and hf were masons not because neither of you were nkd, but that explains his damned bullheadedness all game I dont think he believed it past like D1 though right? So that shouldnt clear the attitude you disliked for the entire game | ||
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Also rsoul i might be wrong he talked about his voting patterns on D1 in one of the masons posts and i incorrectly took it as meaning he dropped the mason thing after D1 | ||
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On July 20 2015 06:21 rsoultin wrote: which isn't a bad reason at all, frankly -_- but why are you switching off me, bresh? I have said like all phase I want to lynch you or clarity. I never saw the vicar case before idk how I missed it but yeah it was nice. Why do you care though do you think I'm mafia? | ||
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On July 20 2015 06:25 rsoultin wrote: cause you've been so lynch rso lynch rso lynch rso since the night phase, so yeah, seems strange you're suddenly on clarity. i thought you'd be happy to get your way xP i dunnae. prob not. it's not impossible, though. you should have to explain yourself just like everyone else And do you think I've sounded confident in that read??? Also vivax case tips scales for clarity over you. | ||
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Oh that was who. Also you didn't unvote before you voted in thread I believe. And happy birthday | ||
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On July 20 2015 06:41 rsoultin wrote: heh thanks, i'm a dip lol :/ 27 feels old though, and yeah, it's tomorrow...korean time throws everything off xP You said it was on Monday and it's Monday for me so happy Australian birthday Your present is probably not getting lynched | ||
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On July 20 2015 06:44 Half the Sky wrote: Breshke why Ras? Before now it was a combination ofe thinking there had to be mafia on the HF wagon plus not thinking she had any development in both her arguments with HF and with Ruxxar. Also a bunch of dead townies who are better than me thought she was mafia or there was mafia in her or HF. But right now afk's will probably make me vote EBH instead if we can't kill clarity | ||
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On July 20 2015 06:57 Trfel wrote: Only matters if he flips scum. Which I doubt he will. It still matters because it means we can't switch to clarity so it's rsoul or ebh | ||
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On July 20 2015 13:03 Oatsmaster wrote: 8-3 6-3 4-3 Yeah so we no lynch tmr and then go into lylo with 4 less townies. no because we lose at 4-3 because even if we lynch and it goes 4-2 they have 2 kp and it goes 2-2 | ||
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On July 21 2015 00:17 Oatsmaster wrote: i think trusting another player with sole responsibility for a lynch is just a really bad idea in general. I wasn't? I wanted to lynch EBH not rsoultin. Obviously when there is only 6 people around and we need to have exactly 6 people to vote i have to trust everyone? Even if i had switched to rsoul i would have had to trust all of those people not to switch. | ||
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On July 21 2015 00:26 Oatsmaster wrote: Er, no? Like 4 afk people were on rsoul, like nobody was coming off her to lynch ebh. This is pointless anyway. You think wave is mafia? who can really say | ||
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Also I think the 1/2 shot rolls are a really good mechanic | ||
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