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On July 08 2015 00:25 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 00:24 marvellosity wrote:
does anyone think ritoky is town outside his claim?
or at least, i should rephrase, are there posts that might make you think he could be? It's literally only the claim that makes me not lynch him today. I definitely think he's not 100% scum so the mechanical play for me is to let him live at least today, probably tomorrow too, then reevaluate if needed. That way if he is town he might show it, and if he is town then scum might have to deal with him anyway
what's mechanical about it?
it's one-shot and mafia will have a RBer and no other target.
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my point being, mafia have no need to kill him tonight
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On July 08 2015 00:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 00:19 marvellosity wrote:On July 08 2015 00:16 marvellosity wrote:On July 08 2015 00:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Marv talk to me about EBH and his more recent posts.
Specifically the ones where he fencesits on the whole "Trfel/LS" fight and adds both to his lynch list. his was one of the filters i looked at earlier and came away thinking that i didn't really know either way, let me go refresh myself Yeah, there was this part of his original post that i liked: Palmar - not much to say here I can just tell he's town. Finding the loophole in geript's logic and posting about him looking for his name are both reasons to townread him but I won't be surprised if i get roasted for this read. I also thought the Vivax/geript thing was a little weird to be mafia in the same post. maybe the Trfel/LS stuff is weird but i don't know if or why it's scummy weird. feel free to tell me why you think so I still think he was capitalizing on a fight between two players, which always reads as mafia keeping their options open. His response was that he couldn't really come up with reasons to scumread LS when asked. He has no mafiareads outside of those two at this point in time. I'm expecting some sort of follow-up or something but...Nothing. At any rate I think it's a better lynch than a lynch on people who post stuff and ask questions. Can you tell me why the vivax/geript thing is too weird to be mafia?
Vivax/Geript - We have a curious case here of a guy that is completely tunneling on some one else who is very emotional, but said emotional person is paying no attention to the constant posting done by the former. My explanation for this is that it is a bussing attempt by vivax (which he loves to do as mafia) and is being poorly reciprocated by geript who should try to make it more realistic but has a hard time getting angry about things that are fake as opposed to actual town members pressuring him. Just a theory for now that might prove useful later.
Just it reads very non-routine, not formulaic, bit conspiracyish.
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On July 08 2015 00:27 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 00:24 marvellosity wrote:
does anyone think ritoky is town outside his claim?
or at least, i should rephrase, are there posts that might make you think he could be? I dunno his posts around what I was saying about trfel weren't awful but other than that it's pretty scummy (I keep coming back to the post where he lists 3 people that weren't really scummy at all and says 1 of them could be and going ... meh) but his claim after LS' claim last game also gives me wtf vibes but i don't really want to lynch him either kind of thing basically i'm a pussy and don't want to lynch a potential cop 
a potential one-shot cop who's never getting his check off regardless
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On July 08 2015 00:29 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On July 07 2015 23:30 Harkon wrote:This post is definitely a pretty bold statement especially since it isn't paired with any reason as to why. On July 07 2015 11:37 milo109 wrote:
Meh. I think LS is a better lynch. Your case is unconvincing. i thought the same about that comment So this aimed at Palmar/marvellosity - Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 12:27 milo109 wrote:
The rest of the LS read you have not really addressed at all. How can trfel make a case on LS based on the early game but the early game is when he said he doesn't scum read LS? He changed his read on LS because of questions he asked LS about ritoky. Where are they in his case? They do not feature because he is simply reading LS' filter and making scummy narratives from them.
--LS's filter is SCUMMY. Read it. I can link a dozen posts that raised my eyebrow. Whether you are town or mafia, your job is to build narratives. The question is which are the most convincing. I didn't think Trfel's was particularly convincing, but at least he is offering up a thread that we can then weight.
Trfel isn't even towny. Just not scummy enough to be worth going to the voting thread and changing my vote. I like believing in myself, especially early on. I'll cede that you have probably played with him for than I have, and may be right. First the way he's doign the quotes I'm believing Milo actually says "LS's filtuer is scummy" is where he starts. I am also taking issue with what I have in the bold. First he says there are a dozen posts but then he provides (the bolded) as the reason for LS being mafia? Given his last sentence on Trfel, he's goign to lynch LS for not being convincing? That explanation/justification makes zero sense. Yes a good player as either alignment has to be convincing but that's not exclusive to town so why does he use that as a justification to lynch LS? Something is way off here. I'm not saying this makes LS mafia or not, but this is a huge red flag especially in the event where LS is not mafia. The last sentence is also problematic because clearly others and even HE has weighted somewhat on LS so I have no idea where that sentence is even coming from.
i thought he was saying there that Trfel's narrative on LS wasn't convincing
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On July 08 2015 00:30 KelsierSC wrote:
Here's my list right now
Town
hf
breshke
clarity
oats
geript
harkon
LS
scum
trfel
ritoky
damdred
bluehunter
milo
wave
Everyone else I have leans on but this is my head right now.
am sad.
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On July 08 2015 00:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 00:29 marvellosity wrote:On July 08 2015 00:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 08 2015 00:19 marvellosity wrote:On July 08 2015 00:16 marvellosity wrote:On July 08 2015 00:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Marv talk to me about EBH and his more recent posts.
Specifically the ones where he fencesits on the whole "Trfel/LS" fight and adds both to his lynch list. his was one of the filters i looked at earlier and came away thinking that i didn't really know either way, let me go refresh myself Yeah, there was this part of his original post that i liked: Palmar - not much to say here I can just tell he's town. Finding the loophole in geript's logic and posting about him looking for his name are both reasons to townread him but I won't be surprised if i get roasted for this read. I also thought the Vivax/geript thing was a little weird to be mafia in the same post. maybe the Trfel/LS stuff is weird but i don't know if or why it's scummy weird. feel free to tell me why you think so I still think he was capitalizing on a fight between two players, which always reads as mafia keeping their options open. His response was that he couldn't really come up with reasons to scumread LS when asked. He has no mafiareads outside of those two at this point in time. I'm expecting some sort of follow-up or something but...Nothing. At any rate I think it's a better lynch than a lynch on people who post stuff and ask questions. Can you tell me why the vivax/geript thing is too weird to be mafia? Vivax/Geript - We have a curious case here of a guy that is completely tunneling on some one else who is very emotional, but said emotional person is paying no attention to the constant posting done by the former. My explanation for this is that it is a bussing attempt by vivax (which he loves to do as mafia) and is being poorly reciprocated by geript who should try to make it more realistic but has a hard time getting angry about things that are fake as opposed to actual town members pressuring him. Just a theory for now that might prove useful later. Just it reads very non-routine, not formulaic, bit conspiracyish. I don't really understand how that's towny though?
because it's harder to think in such a fashion as mafia, as town it comes a lot more easily.
like i'm not gonna hard defend this stance because it's just a lean, but yea
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On July 08 2015 00:37 geript wrote:
@Marv. I still think Oats/vivax is a better lynch. And a better strategical one.
Why don't you seem to care about Vivax? He's practically been reading a different game entirely. It reminds me of the DP/Palmer/Vivax scumteam game. Where Vivax's reads were literally completely misconstrued shit.
HF. Look at Vivax. You caught him that game so you might remember more.
are you telling me this isn't the epitome of his towngame also?
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On July 08 2015 00:40 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 00:38 marvellosity wrote:On July 08 2015 00:37 geript wrote:
@Marv. I still think Oats/vivax is a better lynch. And a better strategical one.
Why don't you seem to care about Vivax? He's practically been reading a different game entirely. It reminds me of the DP/Palmer/Vivax scumteam game. Where Vivax's reads were literally completely misconstrued shit.
HF. Look at Vivax. You caught him that game so you might remember more. are you telling me this isn't the epitome of his towngame also? meh I wouldn't be opposed to lynching Vivax if it wasn't for his recent towngames. Not sure if I even am opposed to it now.
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On July 08 2015 00:40 Palmar wrote:
I need to read Trfel at some point. He has a history of being a fantastically easy townread and now I see multiple people questioning him.
EBH is top town
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basically i am going to keep my vote on ritoky and move it later to wherever needs a majority
*shrug*
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On July 08 2015 00:42 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 00:38 marvellosity wrote:On July 08 2015 00:37 geript wrote:
@Marv. I still think Oats/vivax is a better lynch. And a better strategical one.
Why don't you seem to care about Vivax? He's practically been reading a different game entirely. It reminds me of the DP/Palmer/Vivax scumteam game. Where Vivax's reads were literally completely misconstrued shit.
HF. Look at Vivax. You caught him that game so you might remember more. are you telling me this isn't the epitome of his towngame also? Yah, but usually he lives in a bizarro universe. Not in a complete alternate timeline/reality.
i can't agree
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On July 08 2015 00:45 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 00:43 marvellosity wrote:
basically i am going to keep my vote on ritoky and move it later to wherever needs a majority
*shrug* Not gonna fly. How am I supposed to sheep you like this?
you go
"good idea, ritoky is easily objectively the scummiest, and his one-shot claim is actually meaningless and it's the only reason the votes moved off him when he was leading the votes"
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On July 08 2015 00:49 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 00:46 marvellosity wrote:On July 08 2015 00:45 Harkon wrote:On July 08 2015 00:43 marvellosity wrote:
basically i am going to keep my vote on ritoky and move it later to wherever needs a majority
*shrug* Not gonna fly. How am I supposed to sheep you like this? you go "good idea, ritoky is easily objectively the scummiest, and his one-shot claim is actually meaningless and it's the only reason the votes moved off him when he was leading the votes" marv you saw my comment about how when roleblocked the check is refunded right? Like I get it he looked really scummy and then he claimed, the claim is whatever... NAI, but if he's town then keeping him alive will hurt mafia by having to waste RB or KP on him, and if they waste KP that's even better.
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HF I've not got the energy to wade through it all, her filter has so many words
like maybe if you can consolidate it into a couple really good reasons why i should vote her over ritoky, but meh
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On July 08 2015 00:50 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 00:43 marvellosity wrote:
basically i am going to keep my vote on ritoky and move it later to wherever needs a majority
*shrug* Good idea, ritoky is easily objectively the scummiest, and his one-shot claim is actually meaningless and it's the only reason the votes moved off him when he was leading the vote. ##Vote: ritoky
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On July 08 2015 00:51 marvellosity wrote:
HF I've not got the energy to wade through it all, her filter has so many words
like maybe if you can consolidate it into a couple really good reasons why i should vote her over ritoky, but meh
more precisely, why she can't do it as town possibly
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i just filtered myself in the voting thread and i've only voted ritoky twice. normally this means my target is mafia.
e.g. xxx when i was on rayn's ass all d1 and i only moved because everyone told me i was wrong. or the game with palmar where i tunnelled toad all d1. it doesn't happen very often that i think someone is mafia all day d1, usually i go on and off someone.
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